suck my dick

A book is just a medium for transmitting thoughts from brain to brain. Reading is done for the benefit of the reader. As long as the ideas are transmitting and the reader is deriving benefit there's no meaningful difference between ways of reading.

Some ways can be more practical than others in a given situation, but then the difference is only circumstantial.
There are also personal preferences but again, that's hardly philosophical. If you enjoy certain ways of reading the choice of a medium matters to you but it's only ever a preference; it tells something of you rather than the nature of reading or of reality at large. You shouldn't try to pass your bias off as holding a deeper truth.

>>24920050
No you see other people shouldn't try to pass their bias off as truth, however my truth is actually the single objectively correct one

I like technology, which is why I prefer ereader. It's also why I'm pro-AI and like UE5.

While reading on an e-reader isn't bad if you don't read much and want to get started, I find reading a physical book more comfortable and practical

What's your philosophical analysis of reading pirated pdfs on my laptop?

>>24920050
Spoken like a true uncultured, soulless utilitarian commie.

>>24920099
Physical books are as much a physical commodity as ebooks are. Are stone tablets more "SOVLFVL" as well? Spoken like one who treats reading as a fashion statement.

>>24920094
Comfortable fine, but how the fuck is a book more practical?

>>24920096
i say you're a lower middle class third worlder cause a poor one would read on their phone

>>24920121
>stone tablets
>youll never have shipping containers filled with stone tablets just to store one book
>youll never have your tablets out of order and spend months putting them back
>youll never make physical gains with your mental gains from turning pages weighing a dozen pounds
why even live?


>>24920037
anyway op the difference is that i didnt have to pay for pdfs and my ereader comes with a backlight for awkward positions and is much more easily stored

Much prefer physical books because of the reading experience, but being in a third world country, I read most of my books on an ereader. I stock up on books when I go to the capital city, but use my ereader for anything I can't find physical, which is quite a lot. Our biggest bookstore doesn't really have anything post-modern.

I definitely feel more connected to an actual book. Feeling that there are more pages in my left hand than my right hand is more satisfying than seeing "65% read" on a screen. Plus the typesetting is obviously better on a real book, even a mass market paperback.

>>24920037
nice opinion retard

>>24920037
How do you read pirated books?

>>24920373
with your eyes, unc.

Fuck ebooks, fuck smartwatches, fuck AI, fuck people who don't hate the things I hate, and specially fuck those who love what I love for the wrong reasons.

>>24920037
why not just use your phone if you go digital. why a 300 dollar device that doesn't even offer expandable memory anymore

>>24920414
thirdies can't comprehend anything lmfao

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>>24920037
Imagine walking around with a +1k pages tome instead of a little tablet that weighs like 100 grams

In my experience people who say they need "le feel of the book's yellowed pages" are usually gay guys who read 4 contemporary novels a year

There’s nothing better than getting comfy in bed with your ereader at night in the dark. Don’t have to hold a whole book which is nice. This is boomer tier level of complaint over muh tech, only the medium has changed not the content. It’s still real. God I hate boomers so much.
>>24920384
Smartwatches suck and aren’t even close to ereaders. Ereaders last for weeks on battery and you can get any book free. You are an example of a stupid boomer who just hates anything with a chip in it. Put your phone down.

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>>24920050
>>24920056
>You shouldn't try to pass your bias off as holding a deeper truth.
how about the bias that reading is anything like "transmitting thoughts"? You're treating the act of reading like downloading information or data transfer. To say that a reader should be aiming for any kind of transfer accuracy is a normative claim about how one ought to read. Reading at least as often serves an aesthetic inspirational function- which largely independent of content. This function will be influenced by the medium.

Further, even within the data transfer paradigm, humans aren't computers. The rate of transfer impacts the kinds of "data" that will be pulled; IE. surface level reading vs an actual deep reading of the text. Digital readers vs physical books are known to impact the speed and comprehension, although this might just be due to users being able to adjust font sizes and backlighting to their specific needs.

Unfortunately for your stupid ass, this is the objectively correct truth.

>>24920037
At least you don't have to worry about the physical book collecting data on you.

>>24920050
I really think there's something to the idea that a physical book is, at least, intellectually (and spiritually?) superior to an ebook.
I seem to retain info better from hard copies.
And my brain makes a map of the book in a way I can often find passages by flipping to it without relying on a search function. It seems analogous to how calculator dependent you can get even for simple sums if you rely on them all the time even for tasks your brain is perfectly capable of doing.
I feel more fulfilled finishing a hard copy and setting it in my "read" stack in a way that I don't get from hitting 100% on a digital file.
I really like the idea of ebooks and having an entire library in my pocket, but the cons outweigh the pros for me, I've determined.

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NOOOOO I HAVE TO CONSOOOOOOMMMMMM
I MUST HOARD THE PHYSICAL TOMES
WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO READ THEM???
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I’M NOT ADDICTED TO SOCIAL MEDIA SHUT UP
I NEED MORE BOOOOOOOOOKS FOR THE SHELF
FOR THE COLLECTION
FOR THE A E S T H E T I C
IT MAKES ME LOOK SMARTER REALLY

nothing compares to holding doorstoppers in one hand and turning the pages with a tap

I will never use an "e-reader" because I'm not a faggot zoomer. I will now hide this thread, so I don't really care about the ensuing "arguments" presented by unpaid Amazon marketers

>>24920037
Nothing is self-evident, retard.

>>24920463
Never connect your ereader to the internet? There are exactly 0 reasons to turn on the wifi on them.

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people who enjoy reading use ereaders
people who enjoy commodity fetishism buy books

i prefer reading physical copies but as a broke boi who does food delivery at night it's much more convenient to use an ereader because proper lighting isn't always available in between deliveries

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>>24920466
It is superior. Even between two ereaders, one with buttons to turn pages and another one with touch turn, the buttons are vastly comfortable as a method of interacting with ebook. This is because humans doesn't rely only on eyesight to accept the information; braille books are example of that.
We are tactile creatures, subconsciously - as a background info - we register the weight of the book, the feel of its pages, the sound of them turning, the uneven surface of cover, the smell that paper absorbed. I bought a used book from China which hold smell of some horrible food, and I couldn't reat it due to constant nausea at the very moment I flipped a few pages.

>>24920538
Wow, books that make you sick from smelling them. Sounds great

>>24920531
youre a retarded nigger

>>24920547
It was a Kernighan Ritchie book, and it was only 3$ - as oppose to 45$ amazon used and whopping 70$ new for a book that 40 years old.
I guess you get what you paid for, the book is okay by itself but smell make it unreadable for me.

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>>24920548
>wow they looks so good on my wall, im so proud of them
this is literally you

>>24920500
you have serious boomer psychosis

>>24920500
Nigger

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kek

>>24920037
Not a particularly huge difference, especially compared to the difference between generating ugly fake images and creating real ones.

>>24920601
>can't install an adblocker
kek indeed. have fun looking at those hideous AI-generated Cascadia ads

>>24920531
Pretty much this. I carry a usage dictionary with me 24/7 so I have something to read while I don't have enough time to dive into anything deeper. If I were a physical purist, this would be impossible; I'd have to study the massive book at a desk like an ancient tome.

>>24920517
>he thinks he can control what his device connects to through the options they give him on the screen
lol. lmao even

I have an e-reader because my library used to be gigantic, and when I moved it was too heavy to carry, so I sold everything and all of my library fits in a tiny microSD in an e-reader which weighs less than most books, can be retroilluminated, doesn't rot and can be infinitely reproduced

The only way you'd deny all of these advantages is if you fetishize the idea of "reading", as if you see the act of reading itself as something to be done with a nice expensive woolen shirt, by a sunlit study room with a cup of pricy tea that was made in a cast iron kettle, and I abhor all fetishism and all the theatrics that these people do, I think it's the product of insecurity (smart people do this, so for me to be smart I have to do this)

But in a way I am also insecure of being perceived like someone trying to seem smart, isn't that just as bad?

I don't like moving books, so I have an e-reader

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>>24920037
>almost every thread is lame bait

>>24920322
Typesetting is not a problem inherent to ebooks. There are plenty of groups like Standard Ebooks that care about good typesetting. Most publishers just do the bare minimum. One thing I like about ebooks is I can go into it and change the CSS myself. Fix the font, spacing, changing the headings, whatever. You are not stuck with shitty typesetting.
You have to be careful pirating ebooks because a lot of the files you'll find are like shitty conversions from pdf with the bare minimum effort put in to make it readable.

>>24920715
It's a lot of work. Whenever I start reading an ebook, I think I have to replace at least 50% of them by the tenth page. Fortunately you only have to do it one book at a time, but it means having to wait through AA's download timer for 5-10 editions before getting something readable.

There is a certain je ne sais quois to going into a bookstore and buying physical books, especially the secondhand treasure hunt, but e-readers are superior

So specifically what e-reader should I get that has good battery life, 10" screen and expandable storage?

>>24920037
I read on a phone in the dark at max brightness so the words are burned onto my corneas. I can read with my eyes closed.
This board is abysmal dogshit.

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For me it's Kobo with KOReader and custom made transparent sleep screensavers

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>>24922017
fucked it up damn

>>24922017
>>24922023
how do i fuck it?

>>24920037
I like physical books but they cost money and PDFs are free.

>>24920429
>the chad tome
>the virgin kindle

>>24920514
1+1=2

Are there any good new readers with SD card slots?

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>>24922034
You don't want to have sex with her she's 450 years old she's a hag

just bought myself a new paperwhite, my 2013 paperwhite was slowly dying, sometimes takes 5 seconds to turn the page until I restart. shits cash yo, didn't think 7" 300 dpi would be a huge upgrade over 6" 212 dpi for just reading books but feels great, lighter too. you luddites are really missing out. #AD

>>24920740
I enjoy me a well formatted book, but at the end of the day, most the material I read (nonfiction), I'm going to read once and keep it on a harddrive incase I ever want to reference it. I literally read pdfs converted to ebook riddled with ocr errors and running headers/page numbers . Once upon a time I probably would have tried to format/fix that shit, but every minute editing css/html is a minute less spent actually reading.

>>24922045
Need more proof than that

>>24922042
>the cuck sycophant

>>24920121
It simply not the same experience. Not sure why you have trouble with that concept

Is there a better organizer/computer reader than Calibre? I HATE IT SO MUCH how it duplicates everything multiple times.

>>24920037
There are lots of differences between those two things and they are technological differences.

>>24922208
I was reading Siddhartha yesterday, and saw a "with an empty heard" and just lost it. Spent a good hour finding an edition that was passable. OCR errors instantly take me out of a work.

>>24920297
It doesn't have to be powered to be usable, its easily recyclable because it isn't filled with so many toxic industrial chemicals, you don't have to worry about the light books produce straining/hurting your eyes, you don't have to worry about magnets or solar flairs ruining your books, etc.

>>24920373
When I pirated textbooks, I would put the pages in a binder instead of being hard bound.

>>24922388
Genuine question, how many times in your life have you had your electronics get ruined by solar flares

>>24922549
How would I know if the spontaneously ruin of my various electronic devices were caused by a solar flair or just some other random point of failure?

>>24922388
A solar flare can destroy your e-reader and a flood or a fire can destroy your physical books. If your house is burning down you have a better chance at getting out with your e-reader rather than making 20 trips to carry all your physical books to safety. It's all pointless to worry about whether these freak accidents will happen. Physical books are also susceptible to mold and rot, and e-readers aren't.
For every argument there is an equal and opposite counter-argument.

Unprocessed PDF's are laggy as hell on kindle. Its barely responsive & sometimes freezes the kindle for too long. Thats why KCC exists & i prefer to use it over calibre's format converter. But when im download comics on my phone and wanna manually drop them to my kindle i cant convert the file because theres no PDF conversion tools on ios or android. Theres no KCC or calibre on mobile. So I have to deal with shitty pdf that breaks more than works.

>>24922329
I'm picturing some Irish Monk in his convent c. the 7th century burning all the now lost works of Aristotle because he found a few scribal errors on his papyrus source. You don't know how good you have it.

>>24921223
they don't make those because ereaders are a scam. kobo has built in adds, kindles are a walled garden, and there's no difference in eye strain from a phone. updgrade to an android phone with a 6-7inch screen, download moon+ reader, add some eye health screen filters and pirate all of your digital books.

>>24920427
no really, what does an ereader actually do that justifies its existence? it's still hard on your eyes, most of them are completely locked down (i think the only android based one is the boox brand) and have fixed storage, usually 64 gigs at most. i guess that's fine if you want to tinker with the reader to actually load in books from your computer, or youre comfortable going through amazon for your digital library, but why would you make that concession when any smartphone can download a reader app and torrent the entire western canon as well as full color comics and illustrated nonfiction without paying a premium?

>>24920037
>>There IS a genuine difference between a >>physical book and an e-reader, and it is a >>philosophical difference

It just so happens that my family doesn't have a lot of space in our housing. Therefore, if I continue to buy paper, traditional books, I will have to throw away or sell or donate previous books from our library to a public library. There is no room for new paper traditional books in the home of our family. I like paper traditional books, but by the way, in the years 2024-2025, the font of these books has significantly decreased, which has reduced the readability. That's why I'm switching to using electronic book files and backing them up to a blu-ray disk and a hard drive. In the case of Nuclear Ragnarok, this is terrible, because computers can fail and these books will be lost, so paper books are better, but I have no choice now. There is little room in our housing, and it seems impossible to exchange our flat to an another flat in my hometown now.

>>24923085
Never seen an ad on my Kobo. You can bypass registration easily, so it never has anything at all in it but books.

>>24920037
>>There IS a genuine difference between a >>physical book and an e-reader, and it is a >>philosophical difference

A paper book, if stored in good conditions, with a small number of printed copies and a high-quality edition, becomes second-hand book value over time, significantly exceeding the purchase price. It may be incorrect to compare, comics are not books, but recently one of the early comics about Superman was auctioned for 7 million dollars. There is no such occurrence with electronic versions of books and comics, they do not increase in value, and they cannot be resold. Therefore, traditional paper books and comics are more valuable than their digital copies, but nevertheless their storage requires space, the space of a family library and storage conditions in which they will not moldy and will not be eaten by mice or insects. If a book has the author's autograph, it makes it much more valuable. Even if it has not an autograph of the author, but a gift inscription from a person with fame, this increases its value in the eyes of other people.

>>24922556
I don't know anon, maybe the immediate widespread collapse of infrastructure could be a good hint.

>>24923060
You're not wrong. We've been conditioned to value the commodity over the content, hence my apprehension; if it has errors, it feels like it's "not the thing in itself."

>>24923166
>books as an investment
Not even /biz/ is as retarded to do even entertain the idea

>>24923148
it's a glaring red flag as a design choice either way. the companies desire is that you see ads. and when you accept a waled garden environment there's very little to stop them from making the ads compulsory, or even put them in the middle of books. even if this is a non factor you still have the issue of limited memory, the pricetag, and that every human being in developed countries has a device that can do the same core functions for essentially free.

>mfs read off paper instead of stone tablets

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>>24920037
I find it easier to read my kindle paperwhite than physical books. But sometimes I buy the ones I liked the most as ornaments, or for flicking through for quotes, or more rarely just to support the author.

>>24920037
I can highlight a word for instant dictionary lookup or wikipedia search, and also translate to english for those random spanish sections in the border trilogy that no one asked for, checkmate papercels.

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same thing

>>24923251
Book 1 was just okay. Book 2 was really good and probably the author's best work. Book 3 felt way too preachy about trump at times ("guys, the cartel owns the white house now!!!")

>>24920353
This didn't even address my two biggest reasons for avoiding ereaders: DRM and forced obsolecence. To avoid the former you either have to jailbreak your reader, risking it no longer working properly, or else use a janky third party reader which lacks good hardware and software features. And there's no way to prevent forced obsolecence. They will eventually move to a new DRM-protected format for ebooks that your old reader won't work with, further limiting your options.

Even if you reply to this post with excuses and explanations for how I can mitigate these issues, the fact is I don't have to deal with either, ever, with print books. Print books never go obsolete, print books have no DRM.

>vast majority of ebooks are only readable on specific devices due to DRM
yeah I think I will stick with print, thanks

>>24923376
>DRM and forced obsolecence
E-reader technology is so simple and old that any product with forced obsolescence would be forced out of the market by the chinese alternatives that already exist. It's ancient and mass-produced tech at this point.

>>24923382
Most DRM is breakable with a simple plugin and this only exists in Amazon copies of the AZW3 format, and the only unbreakable ones are ones published in the past couple years. So yeah.

Why is everyone so dead-set on /winning/ in these threads? Just provide your views and accept those of others.

>>24923383
And even without the jailbreak, the stock kindle (amazon) software lets me upload 1000s of pirated mobi files with no issue. They don't even care.

>>24920531
/thread

>>24920531
Ironic considering e-readers have ads programmed into them that you cannot remove

>>24923409
>Ironic considering e-readers have ads programmed into them that you cannot remove
news to me, a person with an ereader.

>>24923411
must not use a kindle then, Amazon puts ads on your lock screen and home screen and you have to pay to remove the lock screen ads, but you can never remove the home screen ones.

>>24923409
the fact you have to make up lies to defend your point shows how little value there is in your beliefs

>>24923419
I have a paperwhite 11th gen and this has never happened to me.

>>24920037
Cumming on a screen is much easier to clean up than cumming on paper

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>make a thread about ereaders
>suddenly all the boomers come out of the woodworks

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>Typeface: ChareInk7SP
>Bold: 1
>Size: 4
>Align: ragged right
>disabled backlight

yup, its kindle time.

I just use the default font. Am I missing out

>>24923469
fyi thats not a backlight in the pic, thats an artistic representation of the wisdom of the ancients emanating from the text

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>>24923485
>Fast Font serif
>Bookerly
>Roboto slab
Oh yeah, NOW we are reading

>>24922388
Funny you neglected to address the negative aspects of books in your comparison! Though paper book production is more simplistic from a manufacturing standpoint, and materials of said book are more recyclable compared to an electronic device, you must also consider that for everyone to have a copy of a given book, millions of copies of said book must be produced. Multiply that by millions of unique books, and new editions/reproductions of those books. Also consider the transportation and storage infrastructure required for those mountains of paper. Whereas a single digital file of any book can be replicated and virtually shared ad infinitum to be enjoyed via the ereader.

I like having a physical, eclectic collection that I can hopefully pass down to my heir should he share my autistic dispositions. Also I enjoy collecting old, rare volumes for its own sake.

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I was a paperback elitist until I jailbroke the kindle I had lying around at home. It made it so easy to export highlights to my computer. And with KOReader, writing short notes is actually not awful.

That, paired with Obsidian on my computer made it pretty comfy to review my notes and link my thoughts across books.

Also KOReader has a very good anki-style vocabulary builder to which I add unknown words I find as I read in other languages. It has really expanded my vocabulary.

Now I only keep paperbacks for books I treasure and re-read frequently.

>>24923376
I don't think the premise makes sense. Print books don't have DRM because by default they are not easily duplicated. An ebook with DRM is the same in that regard. It's a bonus for ebooks that you can remove the DRM and then share 10,000 copies of it.
And for obsolescence, your physical books will age. The binding will loosen, the glue will dry, and it'll start falling apart. It will not last for eternity any more than your e-reader will.

>>24923444
i will buy an ereader right now if someone can show me a full color one that has expandable memory and is unlocked. the only recommendations i get are discontinued

>>24922222
Read Bertrand Russel

>>24923632
>crickets

>>24923632
I don't think any of them have expandable storage these days. If you get a Kobo you can plug it into your computer and drag and drop whatever you want onto it. Keep your ebook library on your computer hard drive and add whatever you're currently reading to the device, then delete it when you're done. Your library should be on your computer anyways, because otherwise if you lose your e-reader you'd lose your entire library.
Is there a specific reason you want expandable storage? Even with manga you'd have to store like 200 volumes on the device all at the same time to hit the limit.

>>24923695
>Is there a specific reason you want expandable storage?
yes, a good quality rip of manga or anything illustrated like some of my nonfiction books fills up 64 gigs quickly. i dont want to rotate shit in and out. and no, i have 50 gigs of manga on my phones sd and i only have 78 volumes. if it's going to be that incovenient, i still have my phone

and secondly, kobos are walled gardens from what i understand. i dont buy devices where i have no control over what software i can run

>>24920607
Nigger this is 2025 .
You can run a custom DNS server on $15 raspberry pi with network wide ad blocker.

>>24923695
>Is there a specific reason you want expandable storage? Even with manga you'd have to store like 200 volumes on the device all at the same time to hit the limit.
Kobo has 8GB. That's barely enough for a single comic's omnibus and I'm not even talking about long series.

Not to mention any books that aren't text only.

Idk bro I just like holding the book

>>24923419
this only happens in the USA,look it up its true.

>>24923809
There are lots of tips on how to make reading manga/comics on e-readers a better experience, like resizing them because extremely high quality rips are way overkill for a 6 inch e-ink screen, but in the end e-readers are not primarily designed for that stuff. It's like using a hammer to dig a hole. You could do it, but there are better tools for the job lol. I only brought it up because manga/comics are the only thing that could bring you close to hitting the storage limit.
It sounds like what you want is just any cheap android tablet. You can get 10 inch tablets off Amazon for like $60. Then you can install suwayomi and insert your sd card and go to town. Color e-ink is kinda shitty tech anyways. Maybe it'll be good in 10 years, but it's not there yet.

>>24920037
In the end it's just the difference between analog and digital. You can still "absorb" the book in the end, it's just different. It's like absorbing a drug in a different way - swallowed, injected, snorted, drunk, whatever. It's the same drug but the experience is fundamentally different.

>>24924261
Ok so e-reader is shit for anything with any illustrations then. I'm not resizing shit just to read it what the fuck.

Is there an e-reader OS for tablets that doesn't have anything else in it? I don't want an entire spyware device just for reading.

>>24920037
>philosophical difference
>self evident truth
So we're just making shit up? Cool, have fun not reading
>>24923376
>DRM and forced obsolecence
It displays text in an epub file.
>>24923723
>i [sic] dont buy devices where i [sic] have no control over what software i [sic] can run
see above

>>24924542
>It displays text in an epub file
so does my phone.

>>24924542
It is a self evident axiom

>>24924542
>using [sic] on an image board
Didn’t read anything else. You’re a dumb faggot.

I like paper book better
Ebook is too fragile and power based and finnicky and eyehurt