Are sex scenes ever necessary? Aren’t they all gratuitous and could be cut without changing the overall quality of the work?
No, sex scenes are not necessary. Nor is any other kind of scene. Nor are books. Only breathing, eating, drinking, sleeping and taking shelter are, strictly speaking, necessary.As for books, it depends on the story you want to tell. I think you are already approaching the issue from a slightly prudish perspective. What if your goal is to tell a lurid, highly sexually charged, but also beautiful love story? People love sex. Eroticism has been much in demand throughout the centuries. In our culture, erotic and non-erotic works are strictly separated, but objectively speaking there is no reason to differentiate them. I suppose people get uncomfortable because nowadays it's easy to see 80 IQ coomers spamming comment sections or forums and suchlike, so one feels in bad company, as if partaking in something shameful. But very many cultivated people have also been extremely involved with eroticism. There is nothing wrong with writing about sex.If your goal is a 'respectable' novel, I suppose you may want to use fade to black, however. It's what I would do, at least. But it depends entirely on your intentions.
Honestly if the contents of a book is anything but logical predicates and tables then its just empty aesthetic garbage for women.
>>24920577You seem like a useful guy and I think it's a shame we probably won't be friends due to circumstance
>>24920522Yes
>>24920522They make for a nice wank so I like 'em
>>24920596That is an interesting compliment to receive. I am not sure I will be able to be very useful to you since I already have way too much on my plate, but if you wish you can post your Discord username here and I can add you. No promises on friendship just yet but I would be up for a conversation whenever time allows. I am probably too eccentric for you but I suppose we can find out in due time. Are you the OP?
>>24920522I like scenes of intimacy but actual sex scenes are pointless if they aren't fappable but what I find fappable would also make me lose interest in the characters most likely.
>>24920621>what I find fappable would also make me lose interest in the characters most likel
you can tell a lot about a character from the way they approach intimacy, but character development is rarely the goal of sex scenes
>>24920522It’s pretty common for trannies to be anti-sex.The peter-panism at the route of their illness leads them to prefer more childish forms of romantic expression like cuddling and head pats.
No? Why do prudes fundamentally reject human sexuality?
>>24920732You seem hysterical.
>>24920522>he's never jacked off to a bookPhilistine. I'm halfway through Story of O and it make me cum about 3 times
>>24920522Sex is sometimes necessary for the plot, but it is NEVER necessary to describe it for the reader. Should be illegal, honestly
>>24920732Nailed it. >>24921330What if it tells you something about the characters? All kinds of "unnecessary" passages (not just sex) are opportunities for characteristation.
>>24921378It's impossible to really understand any character without two hundred words about how they fuck pussy
>>24921409You can joke as much as you want but that anon has a point. Some people are very different in their sex life than in the other aspects of their life, and showcase very different qualities and sensitivities that, in other circumstances, may remain concealed.
>>24920522Sexy bath scenes > very erotic hugs > first kiss scenes > embarassed nude female scenes > beach /swimming scenes > accidental penetration scenes > sex scenes >>>>>>> rape fantasies >>>> LGBTQ romance > scat
>>24920612I'm not op.Yariashigaru205
>>24920725best post
>>24921529Sent you a friend request.
>>24921461>accidentalHuh?
>>24920764Just callin 'em as seen./pol/fags say troons are porn addicts. almost never the case.If you've got a young autistic man gooning to gay BBC bottom pov porn and a young autistic man alone in his room reading young adult romance novels that hasn't touched his willy in months, I'm tellin ya friend my money is on the romantic as the one who will be trooning out.
>>24921461rape fantasies (emotional/motives besides purely getting off)>>>>>>>>>>LGBTQ romance (writer is not the same gender as the pair) > casual closeness breaching personal space > very erotic hugs > sex scenes > beach /swimming scenes > first kiss scenes >Sexy bath scenes > embarassed nude female scenes > piss > accidental penetration scenes >>>>>>> rape fantasies (base)>>>> LGBTQ romance (writer is the same gender as the pair) > scat
>>24922322>almost never the caseNah it's either one extreme or the other, and the gooner one is not that rare. >If you've got a young autistic man gooning to gay BBC bottom pov porn and a young autistic man alone in his room reading young adult romance novels that hasn't touched his willy in months, I'm tellin ya friend my money is on the romantic as the one who will be trooning out.True, but that's because the former is much more common than the latter. They troon out with much lower frequency, but being more frequent themselves end up still contributing a lot.
>>24922322the lesbian porn to troon pipeline is well established.
>>24920522Shut up zoomers, a geriatric millennial is speaking. Before you had a phone in your pocket with all the sex you could ever want.... you just couldn't find sex related subjects unless you sought them out with great effort, a porno mag or late late night TV. People were naturally curious by sex because it was not shown at all moments, and unless you are an incel or autistic wierdo, you had a great draw towards this things which is hidden but obviously everywhere.
>>24920522What classic novel has an explicit sex scene?
>>24923229It would never have been published, genius.
>>24923658A lot of classics were traditionally published, fucktard
>>24923768Do you even know what you just said, you drooling spastic?
>>24924019Oh great, another fucking illiterate
>>24922400>>24922502Just talk to a troon vs reading some made up study. I guarantee you will find that in 90% of cases it isn't AGP but what is best described as peter-panism.In fact, if they're honest, most don't even want to look like sexually mature women, but would rather look like unpronounced-sexual-dimorphism children. >check the /tttt/>I don't want to go bald, ahhh i want to die>I don't want my skin to get rough, ahhh i want to die>I don't want my wide shoulders. , ahhh i want to die>I don't want body hair, , ahhh i want to die>I don't want to lose my head hair, , ahhh i want to die>I don't want BO, , ahhh i want to dieAgain, in 90% of cases, its just a desire to avoid male sexual maturity that is the strongest impulse and the primary driver towards ack-ing. The feminizing component is an afterthought rationalization and attempt to make the impulse acceptable to the herd.Majority of troons were never even crossdressers before getting the strong urge to ack if they didn't get a bunch of free pills from the state.Ideal troon responsibility level/relationship:>headpats>cuddles>forehead kisses>stay at home>do minor chores around the house>in short, puppymode! XDThey want a literal parent.
>>24920577I write erotic games for a living. Can I add you too?
>>24920577Living isn’t necessary. You can simply die instead.
>>24920522Ask the horny females who want to read porn
>>24920522is there a problem?https://rumble.com/v2428la-corporate-world-domination-and-alien-mind-control-part-5.html?e9s=src_v1_cbl%2Csrc_v1_ucp_v
>>24920522Most scenes are gratuitous. > could be cut without changing the overall quality of the workMost works could cut massive amounts of pages and improve themselves. There's a reason the short form is the hardest, and the shorter the harder it gets. And yet people want the filler, the gratuitous scenes. It's funny what the public pretends to be upset about from time to time. We're back to neo-victorian shit like prudish concerns about sex scenes. We've had decades of complaints about gratuitous violence. Of all the works that use violence, certainly only the thinnest sliver use it to some greater purpose. Most of the time it's thin stakes, or just gratuitous because people enjoy it. Same thing with bumping uglies, the biggest strike against it is that it's seldom in the actual interest of the narrative, because it's underwritten.People seem very unconcerned about gratuitous scenes as a concept, because they simply aren't aware of how useless the shit they personally enjoy is, or how exploitative it's used, simply because they aren't really critiquing form, they're just obsessed censorious twats with a trigger.
>>24924436Most scenes are not gratuitous, you just have a poor attention span
>>24924409How does that work? Patreon income? One of those visual novels?
>>24920522>Aren’t they all gratuitous and could be cut without changing the overall quality of the work?Depends on what you are reading. If you are reading smut it would lower the quality of the work if they are cut.
>>24920522I have streamlined Marquis de Sade by removing all the gratuitous sex scenes from it. I wake up at 6AM to go to the gym and pick up weights and put them down again. Then i go to work to make money i spent on rent. I am a very efficient human being.
>>24920577Well-written and well said
>>24920522sex scenes are good ways to apply character devlopment, so they can be necessary but often aren't
>>24920522Idk, what do you think?
>>24923229Lady Chatterley, plus most things from Updike.
>>24920522It depends on how you use them or use the absence of them, depending on what you're trying to do. Sometimes they really do add to the story, sometimes they're just gratuitous. Sometimes you can troll the reader by making them expect something and then not giving it to them, like Nabokov did with Lolita.
Kenneth Clark said that "no nude, however abstract, should fail to arouse in the spectator some vestige of erotic feeling, even though it be only the faintest shadow - if it does not do so, it is bad art and false morals."Accordingly I feel like writing a great romance or writing about an intense sense of attraction between a man and a woman should make the reader experience some sort of reflection of the eros at play, or at least I think most readers will be predisposed to feeling a bit empathetically horny when reading about two people being horny for each other. And a sex scene can be sort of a climax, no pun intended, to that. It is a legitimate tool in the toolbox of the author.
>>24920522Sex scenes are always soft core porn, whether in books or movies. Not a single one of them ever felt necessary to me even when I was a horny teenager. They were always cringy and embarrassing to watch, especially around other people. It's like watching some guy take a shit, with all the details actually shown on screen. Not everything needs to be shown. Some things are better left to the imagination.
>>24920522Yes, they absolutely are. Pic related is a great example.
>>24920522How do I write good erotic scenes?
>>24924409If you wish. Drop your Discord and I will send a friend request.
>>24927137Evoke the sensesProvoke the senses
>>24927137>>24928237ie rather than waxing poetical about her dewy little rose-bud, tell me that she's quivering; that her ruddy cunt is dripping onto the sheets and smells like fishguts
Sex is cringe
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Why are you such a prude?
>>24928520The source of all prudery is neuroticism.Daily reminder that OP is a trannime fag. Trannyism is the defining neurosis of our time.
>>24928535That makes sense, some sick animals won't even reproduce.
Yes
>>2492052290% of sex scenes are goonbait. For those who aren't into gooning over books, many sex scenes are just pointless or poorly written. Usually things that are fun in real life aren't enjoyable to read about.
