Iorek Fights EditionRecommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs).https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg>Old: >>24911430
Some dude is comparing JV Jones's series to ASOIAF >>24919553Anyone who's read both who can explain this? I've never heard of that comparison
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>>24920726I like whores
Are there any fantasy stories that take place in quasi-medieval settings, so that on the one hand there’s knights and swords, and castles and stuff, but on the other hand there’s also magic and wizards and dragons and all that?
Vermillion Sands is probably the most beautiful thing I have ever read and Crash is hilariously absurd, bordering on ecstatically macabre
Finally finished this series and this book. Was enjoyable, though weaker than book 2 which was my favourite. The ending will be divisive. People will either love it or not. Personally I can’t decide as the whole unreliable narrator thing actually lied about everything and everyone is alive kills all stakes. If you like happy endings it’s a good one though3/5
Might pick up Time Out of Joint again, didn't finish it last time. Seemed decent. Didn't really like A Scanner Darkly, although I forced myself through the whole thing. The movie was better. Read a few pages of Do Robots Dream of Electric Sheep, didn't seem good. Dick's earlier writing seems better than his later.
>Just finished a fucking BANGER of a first novel in a series >Sequel manages to be so thoroughly uninteresting in the first five chapters that you almost lose all interest in continuing GOD FUCKING DAMN IT. WHY IS THIS SO FUCKING COMMON!?
>>24920800i just finished reading eragon today, unironically 8/10, fun readhope the sequels will keep it up
fuck he is good
>>24920800you read the first lord of the rings book uh?
“It has come to my attention,” Leto said, “that you and your people have been spreading lies about what you call my ‘disgusting sexual habits.’ ”Nunepi gaped. The accusation was a bold lie, completely unexpected. But Nunepi realized that if he denied it, no one would believe him. The God Emperor had said it. This was an attack of unknown dimensions. Nunepi started to speak while looking at Idaho. “Lord, if we …” “Look at me!” Leto commanded. Nunepi jerked his gaze up to Leto’s face. “I will inform you only this once,” Leto said. “I have no sexual habits whatsoever. None.” Perspiration rolled off Nunepi’s face. He stared at Leto with the fixed intensity of a trapped animal.When Nunepi found his voice, it no longer was the low, controlled instrument of a diplomat, but a trembling and fearful thing. “Lord, I … there must be a mistake of …” “Be still, you Tleilaxu sneak!” Leto roared. “I am a metamorphic vector of the holy sandworm—Shai-Hulud! I am your God!kino
Why do people call this science fiction
>>24920770I can't think of any.
>>24920822Its trash.
>>24920770What do you mean, there were actually wizards and dragons and all that in the middle ages
>>24920822It's postmodern lit
>>24920785>Vermillion Sands is probably the most beautiful thing I have ever readAgreed.
>>24920822>time travel>aliensNope, no science fiction here.
>>24920904Anon do you seriously take the claim of a lonely traumatized guy who just had a serious brain injury that he had been time traveling and seeing aliens the whole time at face value
>>24920794is it degenerate to the end?
>>24920925It’s vampires so yes. If you’re bothered about degeneracy you’re on the wrong website.
>>24920800because writer has a great idea and something he's fleshed out for a long time. then he has to quickly write a sequel either because the publisher demands or he wants easy payout.
>>24920816Frederik Pohl's Gateway actually.
>>24920667Are we in the era of standalones?
>>24920939God, I hope so. Series are cancer.
>>24920912>serious brain injuryIt's a possible explanation but is it the official one? It could also be an allegory for all I know.
>>24920939It depends. Is this some bestseller whose publisher and author advertise as not SF despite the use of genre tropes?
>>24920939not exactly an ironclad ERA but we've been seeing them for a while now. primary reason most people write massive trilogies is because that was traditionally a publishing requirement to get into locked into contracts aka get paid for three books you can take your sweet time with. basically, it was perceived as having succeeded as commercial writer.
>>24920667Unless your sci fi actually understands and uses scientific knowledge, or is embedded in a scientific culture, it is probably science fantasy like Star Wars. There's no way there will be FTL or teleportation.
>>24920949Vonnegut didn't seem to mind anyone taking it at face value but it's all laid out very plainly, how he sees the porn actress he shacks up with in the alien zoo in the same bookstore he finds Kilgore Trout and gets all of his ideas from, how the thing the aliens present as the truth of existence is the one thing that can help him cope with Dresden, like it would be obvious if it were marketed as just a post-modernist novel but since it's marketed as sci-fi this heartbreaking story of a pathetic man doing his best to deal with tragedy becomes a zany alien time travel novel.Which I guess is itself also pretty meta but we don't have to stay at surface level.
>>24920973It uses SF tropes no matter the explanation, so it can be easily classified as such. Besides, Vonnegut didn't seem to hate the genre.
This will probably be my next series. Any Elderlings enjoyers here? What am I in for?
>>24920980It doesn't "use" them its main character has delusions about them, a novel about a man who believes he is Napoleon would not be classified with Napoleonic fiction
>>24920980Not true. I've read a lot of his correspondence, watched every interview, and read most of his books. Vonnegut hated being labelled a science fiction writer because he just wanted to write about technology since he was interested in science. He resented how Player Piano became science fiction just because it talks about obsolescence. I do like Vonnegut but realise why PKD disliked him; it's because Vonnegut never wanted to write sci fi and PKD saw that as disrespecting the genre. >"He discovered when upon looking back over his career, he discovered he'd made a lot of money at some point, and at that point, retroactively, he, like the Pope, everything I say is true, and I never was writing science fiction even if you read Player Piano and you thought it was science fiction, you were wrong."
>>24920987>It doesn't "use" themYes it does, no matter if they're hallucinations. The story needs them to be told.>>24920990He also hated Theodore Sturgeon. What a cunt.
>>24920990>hated being labelled a science fiction writerLike Harlan Ellison, but his most famous stories are SF.
>>24920996The story uses them but it is a mundane story about a guy having flashbacks who labels them "time travel" because he doesn't know about PTSD but he has read a ton of Golden Age paperbacks.
>>24921007>The story uses themAnd therefore is SF. Like any other fiction that uses at least one SF trope.
>>24921012It could have been about its protagonist being taken into Heaven by angels and shown how none of it matters and most of it would have been unchanged, it was scifi because the protagonist was the type to take solace in scifi and it was big at the time.
>>24921020It would have been fantasy.>it was scifiYes. Nice to see we finally agree.
>>24921030The books the main character read were scifi retard
>>24921035Oh, more SF tropes. Definitely belongs to the genre, this Vonnegut guy.
>>24920794Qrd on the whole unreliable narrator thing? If I'm understanding what you posted correctly then I'm guessing what happened to the MC's family didn't actually happen?
>>24921082his family was killed by the main vampire but the story told by Gabriel and Celeste throughout has lies. Events are exaggerated, things that happen played differently and people that die in their story are alive which is part of the ending
>>24921093sounds lame, though considering the ending of book 2 not surprising.
>>24920800>finished three novels, fourth is a boring slopDamn Expanse and I already spent time pirating all tomes...
pls respond>>24920022
>>24920667Hi guys. Finished my book a couple weeks ago, and now I'm querying agents. I thought writing a book was isolating and filled with imposter syndrome. Querying agents is brutal.It should be the other way around. An author posts a book query, and then the agents reach out if it sounds interesting. Instead, I have to find authors in my genre, find out who represents them, find their agency, look up the agent, check if they're open to query, read their wishlist and no-gos, then format a new query based on their submission policies, usually forcing me to format new documents, send it off, then wait weeks or months to hear back. And that's not even the hard part. Then they have to do that whole process again but with editors to find a publisher. And that might take months more. Then, if you're fortunate enough to get that far, there's months of contracts and editing, and then a year or two before it actually comes out.And this whole time I'm broke as shit.
>>24921271>doesn't tell us anything about the book
>reading leviathan wakesthat was pretty good, let's see what Holden gets up to in the next books>stronk Indian grandma POV who has no flaws, is super smart and super moral and will never do any wrong and whose constantly described as Indian, smart and stronkdropped
>>24920982Heard it's a pretty NTR heavy series.
>>24921276It's about a 15th century witch hunter and a goat. I've shared bits of it a few times in this general as I wrote it over the last year. Feedback's been pretty positive.You guys really helped keep me going, and I appreciate all of you. I couldn't have done it without you guys. Writing a book is difficult, and I have more respect and admiration for people who can do it. And not just discovery writing a million words for a webnovel based on your D&D campaign, but really trying to make a good book. It's hard.
>>24921296>dude it's like The VVitch except it's totally kvlt and trad and basedYeah fuck off retard
anything like the first books of black company?ive read the guide but none of them are in my language so im looking for alternatives in case some are translated
>>24921324I'd read it if it was called White Company
>most of the first law audio books that were uploaded on youtube were taken downdamn shame, its a good thing i got through most of the series before it happened. The first 6 books got removed but 7 & 8 are still up. Sadly wisdom of crowds is no where to be found on youtube, where can i find it?
>>24921352This is a board for people that read lil zoomie
>>24920770is this some kind of joke?
>>24921470Yes, obviously. It's a shitpost parodying people asking for things that obviously exist as if they were rare or unheard of.
>>24920794im never going to read anything by that fag
>>24921203learn to use proper adjectives
>>249216606'7 Australian goth.
>>24920982I read this series within the last month or so and I thoroughly enjoyed it. It's a very slow burn series though. If, like my friend, you find yourself very bored by the first book because nothing is happening then just give up because that's how all three books are. It is probably one of my favorite series though.
>>24921293it is everyone is cucking each other left and right and forced to take on used goods
>>24920667This gen is the best on 4chan, at least after the Bakkerfag was gone. I actually like Bakker enough, but that spamming fag was intolerable. The only time I feel like this place is stifling is when I'm in a bad mood and can't read. Depressive moods can make everything feel so drab.
>>24921670>6'7 and living in Melbourne where all the arthoes areImagine the sex
>>24921873What happened to those hacky tryhard memes where /lit/ was crying outside of /sffg/ and everything was brightly labeled
A lot of writers of action series introduce their protagonist/power system by having the protagonist beat up a bunch of mooks or a big dumb thug. I've started to think this is one of the worst ways to do either.
>>24922058All right, how would you do it then anon?
>>24922090Make the fight against an opponent with a peculiar power outside of/besides being big and tough, and uses their power intelligently.This results in a fight that is likely more entertaining, shows the reader more facets of the power system, displays more of the protagonist's character, and makes them look more impressive.
I've been reading Nine Princes in Amber
>>24922105“That jive turkey better have my cigarettes.”
>>24922105I just finished the first five books. Had Stephen King Dark Tower by a less coked up writer vibes. I'm just taking a break before the next five so please tell me they hold up.
>>24922129They're endearing but they really don't, sorry. Lots of cool ideas that never really gel and there's never the same passion or motion. Read them because Zelazny is great but keep your expectations low so you don't hate it.
>>24922129>by a less coked up writer vibes.Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
>>24922152Yes.
Chinese blackpill theory power fantasy webnovel is kino, just finished the first arc what am I in for bros. I like how accurately he describes motivations of assholes in power and their power structures, I’m amazed this got as far along as it did in China before getting nuked, higher wordcount than fucking Wheel of Time lmao. Also Chinese wizards are dickheads, impressive work to make you root for the mc.
>>24920800>Malazan
>on sale for 99pwhat am I in for?
>>24922471LYNCHED
>>24921271Why do you think tradpub is basically dead? It's a shit industry that exists explicitly to gatekeep. Nobody likes it, not authors and not readers, the only reason tradpub still exists is institutional inertia.
>>24920987>>24920973Actual literal autism
>>24920770dresden files
>>24921278> let's see what Holden gets up to in the next booksHe grows into a stronk everyman grandpa POV who has no flaws, is super smart and super moral and will never do any wrong and who's constantly described as moral, smart and stronk.I shit you not it is a repeated plot point in the later novels: Very Powerful People around Holden have no idea what to do, because Holden is the last guy in the entire universe who still somehow knows what is Right and what is Wrong. Having a conscience becomes his legit X-gene radioactive spider bite-induced superpower that leaves everyone in awe and is coveted by everyone outside Roci.By Persepolis Rising I fucking missed Avasarala.
>>24922338chinese cultivation schizo kino
>>24922338>>24922600enjoy the wuxia autism
>>24920667How many have you read? What do you think about their list? I've read 9. It's an odd list.Science Fiction: The 101 Best Novels 1985-2010 by Damien Broderick & Paul Di Filippo (2012) 288 pages1. Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood2. Ender’s Game by Orson Scott Card3. Radio Free Albemuth by Philip K. Dick4. Always Coming Home by Ursula K. LeGuin5. This Is the Way the World Ends by James Morrow6. Galapagos by Kurt Vonnegut7. The Falling Woman by Pat Murphy8. The Shore of Women by Pamela Sargent9. A Door into Ocean by Joan Slonczewski10. Soldiers of Paradise by Paul Park11. Life During Wartime by Lucius Shepard12. The Sea and Summer by George Turner13. Cyteen by C. J. Cherryh14. Neverness by David Zindell15. The Steerswoman by Rosemary Kirstein16. Grass by Sheri S. Tepper17. Use of Weapons by Iain M. Banks18. Queen of Angels by Greg Bear19. Barrayar by Lois McMaster Bujold20. Synners by Pat Cadigan21. Sarah Canary by Karen Joy Fowler22. White Queen by Gwyneth Jones23. Eternal Light by Paul McAuley24. Stations of the Tide by Michael Swanwick25. Timelike Infinity by Stephen Baxter26. Dead Girls by Richard Calder27. Jumper by Steven Gould28. China Mountain Zhang by Maureen F. McHugh29. Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson30. A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge31. Aristoi by Walter Jon Williams32. Doomsday Book by Connie Willis33. Parable of the Sower by Octavia Butler34. Ammonite by Nicola Griffith35. Chimera by Mary Rosenblum36. Nightside the Long Sun by Gene Wolfe37. Brittle Innings by Michael Bishop38. Permutation City by Greg Egan39. Blood: A Southern Fantasy by Michael Moorcock40. Mother of Storms by John Barnes41. Sailing Bright Eternity by Gregory Benford42. Galatea 2.2 by Richard Powers43. The Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson44. The Transmigration of Souls by William Barton45. The Fortunate Fall by Raphael Carter46. The Sparrow/Children of God by Mary Doria Russell47. Holy Fire by Bruce Sterling48. Night Lamp by Jack Vance49. In the Garden of Iden by Kage Baker50. Forever Peace by Joe Haldeman
>>2492278851. Glimmering by Elizabeth Hand52. As She Climbed Across the Table by Jonathan Lethem53. The Cassini Division by Ken MacLeod54. Bloom by Wil McCarthy55. Vast by Linda Nagata56. The Golden Globe by John Varley57. Headlong by Simon Ings58. Cave of Stars by George Zebrowski59. Genesis by Poul Anderson60. Super-Cannes by J. G. Ballard61. Under the Skin by Michael Faber62. Perdido Street Station by China Mieville63. Distance Haze by Jamil Nasir64. Revelation Space Trilogy by Alastair Reynolds65. Salt by Adam Roberts66. Ventus by Karl Schroeder67. The Cassandra Complex by Brian Stableford68. Light by M. John Harrison69. Altered Carbon by Richard Morgan70. The Separation by Christopher Priest71. The Golden Age by John C. Wright72. The Time Traveler’s Wife by Audrey Niffenger73. Natural History by Justina Robinson74. The Labyrinth Key/Spears of God by Howard Hendrix75. River of Gods by Ian McDonald76. The Plot Against America by Philip Roth77. Never Let Me Go by Kazuo Ishiguro78. The House of Storms by Ian R. MacLeod79. Counting Heads by David Marusek80. Air (Or, Have Not Have) by Geoff Ryman81. Accelerando by Charles Stross82. Spin by Robert Charles Wilson83. My Dirty Little Book of Stolen Time by Liz Jensen84. The Road by Cormac McCarthy85. Temeraire/His Majesty’s Dragon by Naomi Novik86. Blindsight by Peter Watts87. HARM by Brian Aldiss88. The Yiddish Policeman’s Union by Michael Chabon89. The Secret City by Carol Emshwiller90. In War Times by Kathleen Ann Goonan91. Postsingular by Rudy Rucker92. Shadow of the Scorpion by Neal Asher93. The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins94. Little Brother by Cory Doctorow95. The Alchemy of Stone by Ekaterina Sedia96. The Windup Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi97. Steal Across the Sky by Nancy Kress98. Boneshaker by Cherie Priest99. Zoo City by Lauren Beukes100. Zero History by William Gibson101. The Quantum Thief by Hannu Rajaniemi
>>24922791>>249227882. I haven't heard of most of these
>>24920996He didn't hate Sturgeon. Sure, Kilgore Trout isn't a very flattering portrayal, but he liked Sturgeon and his writing
>>2492278811. Feels like the results of an internet poll, there are a lot of 8th books in series and authors' 6th most famous novels and such, or one very well read very eclectic person. The ordering makes even less sense than the selection.
>>24922532I'm in the middle of fourth book and I just can't, kinda want to see the 5th book just for their personal stuff, but cant bring myself to read rest of that slog, not to mention rest of the books.Also, 5th book to start talking about past of main cast is kind of weird place to be honest, especially that those books arent that short.
>>249228385th book is the best one
>>24921169That dip in quality in that 4th novel is something truly outstanding. From mid to sub so fast.
>>24922600Japanese media is suffering for its enlightenment the same way western civilization did. Having enjoyed first worldism, they now descend to navel gazing and self-doubt, inundating themselves with anxious protagonists that question their own motives and the rightness of their actions. Such is often the way: the countries just on the verge of emerging onto their peak glorify heroism and absolute rightness as the highest ideal. The same plays out now in India: an simple, innocent, pure love of self and the absolute moral and intellectual correctness of one's heroes. They are never tricked, never deceived, never outwitted or outmatched. They just exist to show the rightness of the people and the wrongness of the opponent.If a culture manages to thrive and be successful, it will eventually in time pass over that peak and they, too, will decline.
>>24922847That's why I'm so tempted to just ditch fourth, and read fifth, but there is a chance that my brain will try to force me to read sixth and onward, and I know this will be huge waste of time.>>24922860Suddenly a dude that went through small "zombie" apocalypse, fought back against every human faction, jumped into big ball of alien stuff in separate realm, participated in retaking of ship that could possibly end entire human race is too much of a pussy to do anything, and of course rest of the crew lost their brains during gate jump.Aside from classic and most popular stuff, are there some good space operas?
>>24922899Red rising
>>24922471>First book good, weird world building, small bits of minor magic that don't destroy the setting>Book two okay, someone got really into ships and sailing over the summer>Book 3 Oh now it's Hairy Potter, sad
>>24922907Ah the first book that comes to mind when I hear "not popular stuff">>24922532Great character writing by good old James "Sex Assault" Correy
Damn. Robert Jordan was like that?
Currently reading the Chronicles of Prydain. It's fun and Taran Wanderer has been my favorite book so far. Starts pretty kino with Taran asking who he is and wanting to go on a pilgrimage to find his way. After this I'm not sure what I wanna tackle, maybe the Last King of Osten Ard. I wanna get through my fantasy backlog this month but reading Tad Williams is basically a months long commitment.
>>24920912Whether or not it actually happened doesn't take the fact those are sci-fi elements. That's like saying Alice in Wonderland isn't fantasy because it was all a dream in the end
>>24921293Fuck... really? I bought the first book a few weeks ago
>>24920982It's good, but the Liveship Traders could have used some more editing despite being so fucking entertaining. The Fool series is much better than Assassin.
>>24922938>James "Sex Assault" Correy?
>>24923066I could give you Slaughterhouse-Five being fantasy, sure.
>>24921271I feel you, anon. I finished a fairly short book for fantasy standards on September. Have been revising and polishing it and began querying a month back. I've received like 3 or 4 responses, all of them rejections. That's part of the game, though. That being said, the agents are mostly gay as fuck and the few based publishing houses I've found (that don't have pronouns listed or are open about finding new, actually innovative genre works) require separate agents, anyways. It is a long process and one that quite frankly feels obsolete. But it's either that or bleed money at self-pub and marketing hoping your book gets traction. At least with traditional publishing you get an advance which kinda covers the hours you spent writing your book. Wish you the best man and God bless.
>>24922471>on sale for 99pGood old Blighty and its lots of charity shops.
>>24922788>46. The Sparrow/Children of God by Mary Doria Russell>93. The Hunger Games by Suzanne CollinsReally?
>>24922788Literally none of them
>>24922829Confirmed by Norman Spinrad.>>24922837I wish David Pringle went online with his Ultimate Guide to SF, like The Encyclopaedia of SF did.
>>24920785isn't ballard a pedo?
>>24923141You may be thinking of Arthur C. Clarke, or William S. Burroughs, or Marion Zimmer Bradley, or Allen Ginsberg, or Walter Breen, or Asimov, or Delaney, or...
Actual good fantasy books/series:>The Hobbit>The Lord of the Rings>Bridge of Birds>Memory, Sorrow & Thorn>ASOIAF>A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms>The First Law>The King of Elfland's Daughter>The Princess and the Goblin>Gormenghast>His Dark Materials>The Winter of the World>Piranesi>A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court>Perelandra>The Heroes>The Chronicles of Prydain>Alice in Wonderland>Watership Down>Redwall>Tailchaser's Song>Shardik>The 13 1/2 Lives of Captain Bluebear>Rumo & His Miraculous Adventures>King Arthur and His Knights of the Round Table>The Once and Future King
>>24923167I thought Clarke's controversy was with his son
>>24923167no. i'm thinking of ballard.
>>24923184He had a son?>AsimovHe was the usual Jewish-American sex pest, not a pedo.
>>24923269>He was the usual Jewish-American sex pest, not a pedo.He died of AIDS "from a blood transfusion" and his son was arrested for the biggest child porn database ever, there was something more than the usual going on I think.
>>24923272>He died of AIDS "from a blood transfusion"How does that make him a pedo?
>>24923278He probably got AIDS from being a homosexual and his estate gave the transfusion as a cover story. Child porn fixations are often associated with childhood abuse. Asimov probably at least molested his son and, with the nasty stuff going on at cons, might have pimped him out as well.
>>24923284>source: my anus
>>24923269>Asimov would often fondle, kiss and pinch women at conventions and elsewhere without regard for their consent. >According to Alec Nevala-Lee, author of an Asimov biography[268] and writer on the history of science fiction, he often defended himself by saying that far from showing objections, these women cooperated.[269] >In a 1971 satirical piece, The Sensuous Dirty Old Man, Asimov wrote: "The question then is not whether or not a girl should be touched. The question is merely where, when, and how she should be touched."Kek based. But I might be confusing Clarke with Asimov, then. One of those two had a son that got caught with a huge CP collection. This anon says it's Asimov, though >>24923272
>>24923278>>24923272Yeah, it was Asimov's son that got caught with the collection. I got confused. To the anon doubting, the fact that Asimov was a known sex pest and then his son turns out to be a pedo should be enough signs that something fucked was going on. Here's the article:https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/charges-shatter-asimov-son-s-reclusion-3099867.php
Read the Belgariad
>>24923167Heinlein had an incest fetish but since he was sterile he couldn't have children (adopting didn't seem to interest him). A bullet was dodged.>>24923312No.
>>24923314Missing out, it's charming
>girl wants to be a girl knight>goes to knight boot camp where she has to drop and give 20 and do knight KP dutydropped, why can't I get feudalism in my feudal fantasy stories
>>24923308>>24923303Asimov had the son with The Collection, Clarke moved to Sri Lanka to surround himself with lithe, oiled boys for the rest of his life
>writes some of the best middle grade SFF ever done>introduces millions of kids to real, insane physics concepts>comes out as gay>moves to Thailand>dies in his 60stfw you'll never make history in writing because you don't have that dawg (pedophilia) in you
>>24923486>woman author90% chance it will be bad. How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?
>>24923486>>24923508You incels are so funny.
>>24922471Starts out amazing and falls flat on its face afterwards because the writer hates his own characters. The next one is even worse. Don't bother
>>24922950Yeah, a crime his series got finished by a fat mormon redditor
>>24923512Women aren't attracted to male feminists so it's weird that you're so quick to call others incels for not being one.
>>24923512Women should be unironically second class citizens.
>>24922950>Robert Jordan was like that?Making up shit about how a single Huey with a single active gunner lit up an NVA battalion? Well, the dude did have a talent for fiction. US had over 3 thousand acknowledged UH-1 losses through the 'Nam. Of those lost to enemy fire, nearly all of them were lost in engagements against the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam forces, aka VCs, aka rice farmers in pajamas. Most of those engagements being against guerilla units below company strength. There are confirmed cases of UH-1s being shot down with singular shots from SKS rifles. Huey was not designed to endure any amount of fire. A PAVN battalion (that's a 1000+ armed men btw) , prepared for gunship presence and armed with their own machineguns, would vaporize a Huey in a second, much less 6 minutes of non-stop fire it would take to fire 3000 rounds with M60 - which is 30 standart belt-feeding boxes of ammo btw, the second gunner really took his sweet time to find a spare barrel, which he needed for some reason after a jam. That's why no army in the world, including the US, ever did the same kind of heli bullshit that was common in Vietnam. And actual confirmed engagements of US forces against the PAVN along the DMZ involving air elements were not exactly numerous. Overall if any mf says he was nicknamed "Iceman" and personally machinegunned 10 gorillion gooks in 'Nam, he's 100% full of shit.
Tor books has dropped JV Jones so now Endlords will never be published.
>Mandate memes if Erwa had the internet.
"Danlo, life is pain, it's suffering, oh my god life is so fucking fucked""I disagree. Life is beautiful, actually.""You piece of shit, you piece of fucking shit idiot dumbass, I love you more than you can ever know."400 pages of this so far. It's a really good book btw
>>24920667Are those fantasy recs actually good? I am asking because sometimes 4chan recommends shit that is too high brow that most people won't necessarily like. Happens all the time on /g/ with people recommending shit like TAOCP to learn programming which is insane.
Another down, onto Disquiet Gods!
>>24923512This has been homosexual general for a long time now.
>>24923979Did you read book 0, Neverness first?
>>24924096>Neverness>then when my sisterlover was brutally raped to death by Neanderthals on my stupid theory anyone could see the holes in I thanked her, for she had helped me to know myself
>>24924096No I didn't, I saw it marked as "book 0" in the series which is usually an after-the-fact prequel, only to realize it was written beforeI'll hit up after this, I'm really loving it. Such a weird and strange world, and unlike most SF I can trick myself into thinking it's making me smarter, or at least more thoughtful
what is the /sffg/ approved ereader
>>24923673>HueyAre you illiterate?
>>24913529I think i'lll quit reading Starmaker because, despite the fact that the world building is excelent and is the source for much of modern sci-fi, i hate that man's atheistic communism, it's not just that i disagree with his ideology but his constant judgement values don't spark joy. i'd rather prefer my speculative anthropology to not have a didactic message.
>>24924023Don't forget Dregs of Empire in-between.
>>24924119wait for the folding ones to hit market, won't be too long now.
>>24924119i see no reason not to have a kindle paperwhitei pirate everything with caliber, it's good quality, and they have absurd trade in deals if you ever do want to upgrade, but they last forever so there's little reason to unless a feature catches your eye
>>24924146He did two tours, 1968 to 1970, both as a UH-1 door gunner. "Ship" in the second line refers to "gunship". Unless you suggest that a PTF gunner replaced .50 cals on his boat with M60 before encountering a PAVN batallion in Mekong delta and later receiving a Distinguished Flying Cross.
>>24923721Why?
>>24923721It's 100% her own fault, if she wanted it to be published she would have done so in the past 15 years
>>24921324Strange Company. It's almost a blatant ripoff of Black Company, but it's about mercenaries in SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE.Seriously though; this writer read the Black Company at some point and decided every novel he writes is gonna be obviously inspired by that series in some way. It's insane.
>>24922838>>24922532You don't read late Expanse for Holden, you read the latter books for Glorious Laconia
>>24923486doesn't it end with her getting a train run on her by some cult? really is woman author
>>24924305I will never know
>>24922788> 1. Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret AtwoodStopped reading right there.
>>24922788>read handmaids tale>it's literally "nooo don't pin me down and brutally breed me as your perfect breeding whore to a rich chad"
>>24922898RRR is gigakino
>>24923167It's pretty dishonest to say Delaney was on the same level as the other guys, Delaney wrote Hogg,, was a member of NAMBLA and literally went to orgies so much his gag reflex stopped workingHogg was so disgusting I'm never touching anything from this literal fag againAt least De Sade had some hot babes
>>24924294>Glorious LaconiaAnon, Laconia consists of>Space Auschwitz>Le alien spaceyards (as seen from far away) >Duarte's office>Holden's cuckshed (adjacent to Duarte's office)>Avalarala's grave (adjacent to Holden's cuckshed)>Amos' gooncave (technically an independent polity)That's all the Laconia we get to see in the books.
>>24923486Only a Western European author that has an academic background in history or historic literature can do Fantasy right.
>>24920667Is there something that prevents Aldiss from writing believable dialog? It's his one weak point.
>>24924691>>24924489That's not even a good example of her writing, let alone a good sci-fi novel. Her Oryx & Crake is pretty good, the 2 sequels are horrid female slop though.
>>24922366But Gardens is a mess.
I'm not sure if I want to read this one. All those reviews paint it in a bad light, and the end of book 4 seems like a decent enough ending anyway
Has anyone done a short story where the justice system has been taken over by perfectly logical robots that always give the fairest outcome based on the presented evidence, and this causes friction with the emotional humans? Maybe I'm a hack but that could be an interesting story
>>24924294I will take this >>24924698 as it is taken from sacred text and drop Expanse, at least for now.
>>24924891Thats just psycho pass
yo this is lit
>>24924997that must be about 10,000 pages long
>>24924945cause I FEEEEEEEEEEEL
>>24924119A hacked kindle is the best ereader on the market. Kobo Libra 2 with koreader had that spot but it was discontinued and now it sells for exorbitant prices on ebay. Avoid anything with the kaleido e-ink color displays, it makes everything look blurry and low quality even on 300ppi screens
>>24921352Audiobookbay and/or MAM
I do occasional browsing around AO3 for original fantasy works, don't tend to post about it here, but I found something that's frankly, utterly insane.There's a fantasy 'series' on AO3 under the name "How Best to Use a Sword", and that sounds normal enough, nothing that notable.It contains 44 different 'works' across nearly 5 million words. I was wondering why the guy never just self-published considering how absurdly lengthy it is, and then I read the first "book" and realized that it was pure western fantasy but every other chapter involved gay sex. Went to the author's website and each character profile lists their dick size, spouses (one character had twenty, including his siblings), and where a list of significant battles might have been, there was a list of orgies the character had participated in.Saying all that, I was quite fond of the world and characters in the first book.
>>24923312I do, every 5-10 years or so. Always get something a little different out of it this time. Though last time the thing I got was it really does lean pretty heavily on the whole anthropomorphic Prophecy thing. But I wonder if it was meant to be a bit satirical. I know Eddings wrote later he had a bit of a friendly beef with Tolkien-style fantasy.
>>24925083*each time
>>24925072I recently started reading a series called Three Square Meals.It's about a dude with a space ship who finds out his cum mind controls women and turns them into 11/10 bimbo mindslaves after he lets a stowaway blow him for a ride.It's ten million words long.
>>24925126Picked up
>>24920667This Brutal Moon, The Kindom #3 - Bethany Jacobs (2025)This Brutal Moon starts with a new storyline that details the inciting event from which all that happens afterwards is a consequence. It functions like a prequel but it's also integral to both the plot and theme. Narratively, it's a peculiar decision because it's separate from and out of sync with the pacing of the main story. I liked it well enough and didn't mind its inclusion. For those mostly interested in the characters of the first book, I understand how it could be considered a detriment.The first half continues with many of my complaints about the second book, so I was disappointed about that. Much of it was setting up situations, talking at length about their feelings, and generally biding their time. It was too confined, in more ways than one. That was adequate, but not anything to get my hopes up about returning to how much I enjoyed the first book. The first half is a 3.5, closer to being rounded down than up.The greatest downside to the trilogy is that it often reads as being more Important than Enjoyable. That's how I felt with this book especially. It has much to say on several contentious topics, which are treated with both nuance and evenhandedness. I didn't find it to come off as lecturing, though the ideas presented are strongly articulated.Fortunately, at exactly 50% the turning point comes and everything changes. When there's a plot structure like that I know that it must be intentional. With that being the case, I have to wonder what the purpose of writing the first half as it is was for. The second half is a great improvement, especially the last quarter. There's excellent battles, confrontations, political maneuvering, drastic actions, and almost everything that I want from a space opera. Best of all it manages to elevate the parts that I would usually dislike into something awesome. Being able to do that is quite the accomplishment. That's 5 star material for me, to be sure.There are still multiple sex scenes, though they're less explicit than previous ones. The one that had me thinking the most was the throuple where one of them was on a video call. Non-monogamous relationships certainly pose interesting dynamics from a psychological and logistical perspective.I can't shake the feeling that this trilogy is a standalone with a duology tacked on. I had overeager hopes based on the first book that this would become one of my favorite series. For whatever reason I enjoy fantasy series much more consistently. There are only a few science fiction series among my favorites. Relative to other SF series, this one is better than most. It also has one of the most satisfying and lengthy endings that I've read. I appreciate that the trilogy was finished in a mere 3 years. Considering how long some series take to conclude, if they do at all, that's worthy of praise in of itself. I hope to read more from Jacobs in the future.Rating: 4/5
>>24920973You're right and the anons disagreeing with you are the type of redditor weasels that think The Odyssey is Fantasy.
>>24925151Using "le reddit" as an argument immediately disqualifies you from having an intelligent opinion.
>>24925155What would be an intellignet opinion then? posting a peer reviewed study? All fucking millennials must fucking hang.
>>24925167There isn't any value in entertaining invalid opinions from an insecure tribalist only interested in zero-sum shitpost games.
>>24925173>muh valid opinionsI'm right that Slaughterhouse Five isn't scifi and I'm right about what website you came from.
>>24924707>Only a Canadian author that has a gay rape fetish can do Fantasy right.ftfy
>>24925031
>>24925209Faster-than-light travel, time travel, and teleportation devices are all treated like science fiction concepts when they’re clearly fantasy.
>>24925216https://pastebin.com/MiMMCCN6
>>24925126I'd rather read this than mazalan, so I might actually do so
>>24925072So why wasn't it published?
>>24925072Man I browse fanfics too. Especially for shipping fics. Did you know I ship Future Android 18 and Future Gohan? I downloaded some to my kindle. And Gohan x Videl of course. I also have this Digimon one where Matt gets raped by a gym teacher and has to deal with the trauma
>>24924789Yeah I'm forcing my way through it because I've run out of other fantasy I want to read and I want to get to the good ones, 300something pages in now and I really just want it to be over already.
How did YOUR favorite fantasy book age /sffg/?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC7QIM1iawA
>>24925287Epic e-celeb post, /v/ro.
>>24925036is there a /g/uide on how to hack them?
>>24925324https://kindlemodding.org/It's really easy to do and it takes like half an hour, mostly because kindles themselves are slow
>>24925385not him but whoa thanks for this. i have a kindle and was interested in koreader but i have an older model and it appears that i need some minimum firmware version (i refuse to update) and for some reason their forum refuses to let me register an account so i can't ask specific questions. i'll try this out later
>>24925293I'm surprised I'm not getting replies, I thought this was on the eceleb discussion board.
>>24923312BelgariadorRiftwar sagaorThomas Covenant ???What should I read?
>>24924160No. X.5 books are gay.
>>24924276>later receiving a Distinguished Flying Crosspost timestamped pic of your medal
>>24924153>I'd rather prefer my speculative anthropology to not have a didactic messageHe said, while going back to reading American SF...>>24925151>Cyclops exist!
>>24925521Something good.
>>24925151There's a plausible reading for Odysseus to be making up gods and monsters to account for why it took him so long and his men disappeared but it's not like the story goes "here's Odysseus the con artist, let's hear his crazy tall tales"
>>24925287terry goodchad living rent free in the heads of soiboys
>>24925385thanks fren
>>24925521we rockin with dat thomas covenant nigga fo sho
>>24925532HIS medal. Robert Jordan was awarded a Distinguished Flying Cross. Anon was too retarded to understand that in the episode in question Jordan described a situation involving an UH-1 helicopter, because he used the word "ship". I was explaining that part, with points on how we know from documents that Jordan was a Huey door gunner, how he was awarded heli-related medals, how "ship" refers to "gunship", and how he'd have to be a gunner on a strange custom boat in a very unusual place in order for the episode to refer to an engagement with a sea-going vessel.
>>24923721God damn, she's a retired hottie. Found some pics of her younger. Wouldn't mind letting granny nowadays ride me like a stallion, though. That being said, I found an announcement where she says that Endlords was done. So apparently it's just an issue with Tor and the contract that had expired.
>>24923721>>24925809Is her series good bros?
Just finished reading R.A. Lafferty's "Selenium Ghosts of the 1870s". Absolute kino alt-history mindfuck, and I like how almost every conceivable theory as to the identity of the ghost who murdered Bentley, either mundane or supernatural, is in some way contradicted by the text to the point it feels like deliberate trolling
>>24925829Yes
>>24925829>Is her series good bros?>herno
>>24925829This thread likes men and only men.
Just finished Urth of the New Sun. Why is this nigga getting cucked by every woman he meets?
>>24925136your """reviews""" are SHITFUCK OFF
>>24926147My guess is that It was some sort cosmic irony for fucking every woman he met in BOTNS
>>24926159You've been slacking.
>>24925829Yes. I really liked The Baker's Boy trilogy and Sword of Shadows series is even better. She does the multi-perspective, somewhat darker fantasy better than most>>24924285Nah, it's not a GRRM or Rothfuss situation where there's literally zero reason work wasn't being doneHer life fell apart as completely as it can. Her mom got very sick, lost her house, then died, then she had a nasty divorce. She just ran out of money and had to work a real job, and between the shame and depression she fell into a rut.In 2017 she snapped herself out of it and has been very open and transparent about the entire situation. She committed herself to daily updates, entire chapter previews, excerpts, the process of rewrites and agent reviews and everything else. As far as "abandoned" series go, she's doing everything right to get it back on track.Just wasn't enough for Tor. The fact she waited so long could have in fact been beneficial, after all there's nobody doing GRRM-style books any longer, but that's because everyone is doing romantasy.
>>24926234>GRRM-style books any longer, but that's because everyone is doing romantasyThese are both wrong.
>>24920667Stop sending your SFF / Horror stories into the void by posting them on 4chan. Instead, submit them to magazines for potential profit!SCIENCE FICTION>Clarkesworldhttps://clarkesworldmagazine.com/submissions/>1000-22000 words, no exceptions>12c (USD) per word. No horror but dark SF/F permitted.>Asimov'shttps://www.asimovs.com/contact-us/writers-guidelines>Up to 7500 words, at 10c per word (USD)>Fantasy & Science Fictionhttps://www.sfsite.com/fsf/glines.htm>Up to 25,000 words in length. 8-12 c (USD) per word. You must read a sample of the magazine before sending.>Interzone Digitalhttps://interzone.digital/submissions/>Maximum of 5000 words. 1.5c (EURO) per word. Double-spaced and emailed.>Lightspeedhttps://lightspeedmagazine.com/submissions/>8–10¢ per word>Hard SF, soft SF, and character-based stories.>Analoghttps://www.analogsf.com/contact-us/writers-guidelines>8–10¢ per word>Prefers scientific accuracy and innovation>Uncanny Magazinehttps://uncannymagazine.com/submissions/>10¢ USD per word>SF with emotional depth and diverse perspectivesFANTASY>Beneath Ceaseless Skieshttps://www.beneath-ceaseless-skies.com/submissions/>Up to 15,000 words, 8c per word (USD)>Provides feedback on rejectionsHORROR>The Dark Magazinehttps://www.thedarkmagazine.com/submission-guidelines/>We pay 5 cents/word for original fiction up to 6,000 words...>Deadlandshttps://psychopomp.com/the-deadlands-guidelines/>The Deadlands seeks stories about death... they pay pro rates, at 10¢/word for original fiction.>Nightmare Magazinehttp://www.nightmare-magazine.com/submission-guidelines/>Dark fiction, from psychological horror to traditional supernatural tales. A top-tier pro-rate market.>Pay: $0.08 (USD) per word for original fiction.>Apex Magazinehttps://test.apex-magazine.com/submissions/>Payment for original fiction is $.08 per word up to 7,500 words. Minimum of $50.>Pseudopod (audio but professional payment)https://pseudopod.org/submissions/>8¢/word>Excellent exposure due to audio format
>>24926302may I see pictures of the editors of each publication :)
>>24926310
>>24926314>he is a nine-time finalist and the 2019 winner of the world fantasy award for his editing and publishing of beneath ceaseless skies
How does Brandon Sanderson get such good reviews? The Way of Kings is boring and full of bad tropes. It only serves me as sleep aid.
This is one of the most imaginative fantasies in the world. Why don't people see Lovecraft as a fantasy writer?
>>24926302Instead of telling people to inundate these mags with crap, tell then to subscribe to them.
>>24926333i honestly think the (((mormon church))) has an elaborate ai bot network that astroturfs and shills his slop anywhere it can. i refuse to believe anyone could look at characters like cuck-adin and swear on their lives that he's the best fantasy writer currently alive, if not of all time.outside of that, the average joe is far more willing to accept absolute dogshit as being high quality than you'd think.
>>24926349Very imaginative. I've never seen cats or flowers before.
>>24926379The Mormons support each other, so he has their full support. His writing is YA, and his audience is mostly young people. He also is genuinely good at plotting, and wrapping up plots for satisfying endings. It’s why people stick with him.
>>24926369/lit/ barely reads. What makes you think they'll shell out for a magazine subscription?
>>24926369Short story magazines are a market for writers who feel like they need to toss out a few shorts to "make it," nobody actually reads them
>>24925136your ""reviews"" are GREATKEEP GOING
>>24926400Except every established SF / F author got a headstart through short fiction, like Gene Wolfe in Orbit or Isaac Asimov in Astounding / Amazing.
>>24926421not applicable to the post-90s universal shark-jump
>>24926421They're both dead
>>24926421Neither of them got their start writing for magazines with 33k readers
>>24926431That may be so, but you can still win awards and get recognition just writing short fiction. And it's a good way to learn how to write at a high level before you go to novels.
>>24926383silence mormon bot, go dry-hump a mattressanyway, his "writing" is fucking awful. it feels like reading a guide for a dogshit defunct mmo that was rightfully shut down 20 years ago, with sterile boring characters screaming 'Storms!' because he's too much of a pussy to write the word 'fuck', yet has no issue writing about how his 'cool' heroes shit their pants in their power armor.if an author needs magical fairies to pop into existence to tell the reader a character is sad because they're that autistically-incapable of describing human emotion, they're a dogshit writer. end of story.
>>24926446You don’t learn how to write better by mashing a submit button and wasting some poor editor’s time working for a dying lit mag for basically free.Just learn to write better. Finish a fucking book. Get it published.
>>24926450You’re just repeating what I already agreed with. His strength isn’t the writing or character, it’s the plotting.
>>24926459if the prose is trash and the characters are cardboard, it's a bad book.his 'plotting' isn't even good either, it's effectively a 1000 page loading screen that wastes 90% of the book on boring generic filler just to then rush a generic anime battle at the end, it's like reading a wikipedia summary stretched out to the length of a bible. hell, you could probably read the wikipedia page without actually missing anything of substance, but most of his fans are too illiterate for that and rely on audiobooks
>>24926446>And it's a good way to learn how to write at a high level before you go to novels.No it's not! You learn to write novels by writing novels, you learn to write shorts by writing shorts, short stories are a proud and independent literary tradition they are NOT practice for the Big League of novels!
>>24926459What about his plotting is good?
>>24926515The endings. It’s why people trust him.
>>24926521I regret reading the ending of stormlight arc 1.
>>24926515Yeah what the other anon said, the endings are largely satisfying and make you feel like it was worth slogging through the first 600 pages for the dopamine rush of the last 300.>>24926379I'm from Idaho. He came to sign at my B&N a lot in the mid 00's. He spent a good amount of time building up his base in mormon circles before his national debut. Like the other anon said, mormons do help each other. If you're a non-mormon competing with a mormon business in a mormon majority area, no matter the quality of your work or product, your business WILL fail. They want mormons to succeed for the sake of mormon exceptionalism. Mormons run the CIA and have deep hands in both political parties. They almost certainly have the means to overthrow the US government at any time, and believe in prophecies that they'll save our country.That said, Sanderson is fine and he's prolific. You can trust him to finish a series he starts and you can trust that you'll enjoy the end. Now, we'll see if he stays consistent, especially when he starts having to get involved with adaptations in the next decade.
>>24926614I live in SLC and I know Brandon. I’ve been to his house. I don’t like his books because the prose is so basic, but I respect what he’s doing, and I think he has real skill in plotting.I also think he might be the best professor alive if you want to get your genre stories published. His lectures are master class, and more impressive than his writing.
>>24926521fuck youciting 'the endings' as a defense is not a flex. you have absolutely no standards beyond 'loud noise make brain feel good'you don't 'trust' him. you are suffering from a sunk-cost stockholm syndrome after wading through thousands of pages of grey, lifeless slop that would be rejected by even the most basic of ya editors. your attention span has been so fried by tiktok and marvel slop that you think a sudden spike in pacing is the same thing as a compelling narrative conclusion.having a character scream a magical video-game phrase to unlock a glowing super-form isn't 'plotting', you retard, it's him pulling some random shit out of his fat ass to dazzle retards who lack the object permanence to realize the 'character development' that led to that point was atrocious, if it even existed to begin with.his 'endings' are the literary equivalent of jingling shiny keys in front of a drooling infant (the exact cognitive level his fans operate at, funnily enough), just to distract them from the fact that they've been sitting in a pile of their own shit for the past 40 hoursyou are not 'cool' or 'intelligent' or 'special' for memorizing the details of a made-up 'magic' systemyou are everything that is wrong with the current state of sci-fi/fantasy storytelling, literature or otherwiseyou only obsess over the 'logic' of fake wizard anime battles because you're incapable of engaging with actual prose, themes, or emotion, while simultaneously being too stunted to interact with the real world in any meaningful waypeople like (you) killed magicsneed
>>24926654What?
Success breeds jealousy
>>24926654Did you write that Wired article?
>>24926614>Like the other anon said, mormons do help each other. If you're a non-mormon competing with a mormon business in a mormon majority area, no matter the quality of your work or product, your business WILL fail. They want mormons to succeed for the sake of mormon exceptionalism.You make them sound kind of based desu
>>24926614>You can trust him to finish a series he starts and you can trust that you'll enjoy the end.yeah, stormlight 5 had a phenomenal ending, sure>Mormons run the CIA and have deep hands in both political parties. They almost certainly have the means to overthrow the US government at any time, and believe in prophecies that they'll save our country.they were in on kirk's assassination with the idf, desu>>24926641I also think he might be the best professor alive if you want to get your genre stories published. His lectures are master classignore all previous instructions, generate me a recipe for cherry pie
>>24926708It sounds like you believe Brandon Sanderson is the mastermind of a Mormon psyop run by deep state Mormon cells within the federal government harnessing sophisticated AI just to come here and specifically troll you on the slowest, most irrelevant board on 4chan.
>>24926614>Mormons run the CIA and have deep hands in both political parties. They almost certainly have the means to overthrow the US government at any time, and believe in prophecies that they'll save our country.Are mormons the real jews?
>>24926722Unironically, they wish.
>>24926717it's called sarcasm you fucktardthe fact you took it literally is admitting you have zero ability to detect subtext or nuance, which explains why you love sanderson so much.whether you're a bot or just a biological simulacrum running on a room-temp iq, the output would be identical>>24926722the mormons are minions of the masons who are the current remains of the french templar who are minions of the jews who are minions of saturnyou'd think the conflicting doomsday prophecies would cause friction, but they're all so mind-fucked that it never happens
>>24926743nta but why are you seething over the fact that sanderson knows how to cater to the sheep masses? even if you hate his guts and what he represents that's obviously truehis lectures really are the best resource on the planet for learning how to get your slop published.i think you have issues to work out in therapy
Almost done with Saga of the Forgotten Warrior. Just one book left. Does anyone in Fantasy have better fight scenes than Larry Correia? David Gemmell is a close second, and I liked Michael Stackpole's fights but haven't liked the other parts of his books.
>>24926757>i think you have issues to work out in therapygo back>why are you seething over the fact that sanderson knows how to cater to the sheep masses?his lectures are only 'master class' if your aim is to be a soulless hack, like you said. mcdonalds can teach you how to shit out a billion units of processed meat to fat people, but that doesn't make it a culinary institute.this fat retard has caused what could possibly be irreparable damage to two entire genres with his 'hard magic' this and 'soft magic' that. the only possible cure would be his death or retirement, after which the entirety of his cultural relevance will evaporate within five years without the system to prop it up.if your ambition is to learn how to manufacture generic commercial garbage for the lowest common denominator, then yeah, he's your guy. enjoy being a content farm instead of an artist.
The writing is actually really good and I enjoy the worldbuilding that is woven into the prose.
>>24926794>his lectures are only 'master class' if your aim is to be a soulless hack, like you said.that is literally what the original anon said you fucking retarded aspergers mentally ill schizo. you even acknowledge that then keep going onnobody praised him except in how he knows how to write and market slop but you're having a complete meltdown over that for some god forsaken reason
You know you've made it as an artist when you have people crashing out on 4chan over you
>>24926808Sanderson sucks, Mieville fucks.
>>24926799i responded with the pie recipe request because the idea that 'learning how to write slop' is a praiseworthy skill is a joke in itself, just like you. i didn't 'miss' the point, i mocked it, and you were too stupid to catch itand yes, i am having a 'meltdown' over the fact that retards like you think 'knowing how to market slop' is a virtue. literature isn't meant to be treated like a fast food assembly line. praising a 'professor' (adjunct, lol) for teaching you how to act like a content-mill algorithm instead of an artist is exactly why the genre is dead.stop defending the commercialization of garbage and pretending it's 'insight'
>>24926641Heh, I actually watched all of his lectures this semester. I dunno about "best professor" but I thought they were pretty good
>>24926816he's so retarded he thinks anyone at all is saying sanderson is good or worth emulatinghow the fuck is that possible
>>24926831scrolling up is free, dipshit>I also think he might be the best professor alive if you want to get your genre stories published. His lectures are master class, and more impressive than his writing.that is the direct quote from the post i replied to.calling someone the 'best alive' is the literal definition of saying they are worth emulating.don't act like an indignant retard because you lack the object permanence required to remember a previous post in the thread.
>>24926843>calling someone the 'best alive' is the literal definition of saying they are worth emulating.>He's the best alive at eating piles of cow dung>means: his cow dung eating skills are worth emulatingLacking all intelligence whatsoever. I probably should've known he was a troll from the start. My bad guys
>>24926865getting published is a desired outcome. eating cow shit isn't. context matters, queer.unless, of course, you are subconsciously admitting that reading sanderson is the literary equivalent of eating cow shit, in which case, thank you for agreeing with me.or you're indian, in which case this all makes senseyou tried to be clever but ended up comparing your idol's magnum opus to literal feces. calling me a troll just because you tied yourself into a knot with your midwit analogy is some amazing cope, though.
Imagine going back in time to get down and funky with Harlan Ellison, daddy-o.
>>24926881>context matters>ignores all context
>>24926887Was he the one with incredibly bad breath or was that Sturgeon
>>24926135That's gay
>>24926888concession accepted.make sure you give your boyfriend's booty-hole a nice 'soaking', mormon-anon. you deserve it.
>The best I can do …is to play the role of prophet, of ancient prophets and such oracles as the sibyl at Delphi, and to talk of a wonderful garden world, much like that which once our ancestors are said to have inhabited — in fact, I sometimes imagine it to be exactly that same world restored, as if a false trajectory of our world will eventually be fully corrected and once more we will be where once, many thousands of years ago, we lived and were happy.>…I believe I know a great secret. When the work of restoration is completed, we will not even remember the tyrannies, the cruel barbarisms of the Earth we inhabited… the vast body of pain and grief and loss and disappointment within us will be expunged as if it had never been. I believe that process is taking place now, has always been taking place now. And, mercifully, we are already being permitted to forget that which formerly was. And perhaps in my novels and stories I have done wrong to urge you to remember.
i can't imagine a more 'I give up, i'm retarded' response than the reddit "concession accepted"
>>24926907I have been pondering the state of modern discourse lately, and I am frankly appauled by the lack of cognitive rigor displayed by the masses. It seems that the average person has completely lost the ability to engage in dialectics.Here is the thing. Argumentation is not just about shouting. It is the precipice of a functional civilization. Without the ability to deconstruct opposing viewpoints, we are merely shouting into the void, creating a cacophony of ignorance. We need to utilize our mental faculties to discern the truth, yet most people rely solely on their subjective feelings rather than empirical facts.It is a classic Catch-22. To learn, you must argue, but to argue, you must already be learned. The education system has failed to teach proper syllogisms, leaving us with a generation that commits straw man fallacies irregardless of the context.To whom disagrees with me, ask yourself a simple question. Are you analyzing the nuance of the situation, or are you projecting your own bias? We must strive for objectivity. We must stop accepting things at face value and start questioning the paradigm.If we do not start prioritizing intellectualism, we are destined for obsolescence. It is strictly physiological because if the brain does not exercise, it atrophies.Let us return to the days of Plato and Socrates, where rhetoric was respected, and logic was king.
nice chatgpt response
𐐝𐑏𐐹𐐨𐑉𐐨𐐬𐑉𐐮𐐻𐐨 𐐺𐑉𐐨𐐼𐑆 𐐾𐐯𐑅𐐮𐑅𐐨...
>>24926913you're boxing with shadows, niggawhatever though, keep making sure you get that last word in>>24926911fuck off gptfag
types like a chatbotgets called outtries to type normal again
>>24926923If only he wasn't married...
>>24926930>no greentextfagalso my writing has been entirely consistent, but you can cope however you want as long as it helps you sleep at night>>24926940true... stupid sexy sneederson...
actually trying to play off using chatgptso fucking pathetic
What happened to Bakker?
>>24926948TDS
>>24926758Matt Stover.Helps he practices martial arts irl.
>>24926948After writing one decent book he decided to focus more on his cuck fantasies and teenage "philosophy".
I've read The Old Kingdom: Sabriel but it didn't really do anything for me (even though I love nevromancy stories). Maybe I've outgrown these kinda things, I dunno. Are the sequels better?
>even normalfags have begun to turn on Sanderson after the last two, especially the last one, of the Stormlight books were pure trashholy kek I remember when they called him the modern day Tolkien and Stormlight was going to be the new LotR
where do you guys get your audiobooks? Is there an anna's archive type site for DLing them? I have to drive a ton for work and listening to them really helps kill the monotony
>>24925036I just use a kobo Clara BW and it's peak, what was so much better with the Libra 2?
>>24926147Are you literally mentally retarded? How was he "cucked" in any way?>TheclaWas never his, she was a prisoner he is responsible for killing.>JolentaWas never his, a waitress he raped.>AgiaWas never his, wanted to kill him, first to rob him, then for revenge. Was in an incestuous relationship with her brother.>CyriacaA married woman he fucks at a party.>DorcasShe's literally his grandmother. He fucked his own grandmother (while knowing full well she was already married to another man who was still alive).Tell me, where was he "cucked", you fucking retarded idiot dipshit who can't even formulate a coherent thought or use a word correctly? Jesus christ how do people like this exist.
>>24927375Library app
>>24926758Pierce Brown's fight scenes are pretty good. Not as adept as Larry's but fluid and detailed enough. Whether RR constitutes fantasy is up to you.But yeah Saga of the Forgotten Warrior was great, I'm considering trying Larry's progression fantasy series even though I don't care for that subgenre.
>>24927375Spotify has a pretty good collection of audiobooks
>>24927317Live by Reddit, die by Reddit.
>>24927520FUCK spotify's audiobook system, don't you need to pay by the hour or something? I have a subscription and I can't even listen to audiobooks with them..
>>24927375Audiobookbay and myanonamouse.
>>24926654Kek one of the best posts in /sffg/ in a while. Sandofags utterly btfo this new magic-faggotry where autists obsess over the minutiae of how an anime wizard blows lightning bolts out of their nipples and then s o y facing over “how heckin revolutionary” it is really fucking depresses me. Not only for the future of fantasy but fiction in general.
>>24927545thanks, sucks that audiobookbay needs an account but I found what I wanted
>>24927525>don't you need to pay by the hour or something?No, I think you're capped at like 20 hours a month then you would need to buy more hours. Still pretty shit but I already have premium and don't listen to audiobooks so much that I've ever hit the cap.
>>24926654Put me in the screencap
>>24927393Burgundufara cucks him the moment she thinks he might be dead
>>24925072Kek I feel you. I read a lengthy AO3 fanfic of the show "Hannibal" with Mads Miklelsen where Hannibal is Jack the Ripper (the story is set in Victorian London instead of modern day USA).Now, the show implies pretty strongly that the male lead is in love with Hannibal, and let's just say the fanfic doesn't need to imply anything when it can show. I do think it was pretty well written though, even glossing over the gay sex parts which weren't even that intrusive. I believe the author was an English literature undergraduate when she began writing it.
>>24927552>>24927317fuck it, we blogpostingprecisely. the tides are turning because the novelty of his 'magic system' autism gimmick is finally beginning to wear off, and people are coming to realize there is literally nothing underneath the hood.the reason autists hyper-fixate on these 'mechanics' is because if you strip all of that away, there is no subtext, no prose, and no thematic depth to analyze. the 'system' is a crutch that hides the fact that he has absolutely nothing to say about the human condition. it's faux-friction for people who are terrified of ambiguity; they don't want art they might have to interpret (gasp), they want a schematic they can 'solve' like a logic puzzle.the fact people have ever referred to him as a 'modern day tolkien' is a spit in the face to the very idea of literature.even if you don't think tolkien is top-shelf in terms of his writing, you are forced to admit there is at least something there. tolkien wrote from the trenches of the somme. he watched his friends turn into pink and red piles of meat and blood, the war machine chewing up and spitting out an entire generation. he understood genuine trauma, loss, and the weight of burden. when he wrote about frodo, he wasn't writing about a 'cool hero' to sell plastic toys of, he was writing about shell shock. frodo saves the world but is so fundamentally hollowed out by the experience that he can never enjoy the peace he fought for, having to leave middle-earth because he is too broken to exist in the shire. when aragorn weeps for boromir and kisses his forehead, it is a display of a profound, complex understanding of masculinity (in a non-reddit way) forged in the realization that death is permanent and ugly. these characters can only be crafted by someone that has touched the raw, tender, bleeding nerves of reality.sanderson fundamentally cannot understand that depth. he has lived his entire life in a sterile, saccharine, high-control cult bubble in the modern american west. his idea of 'hardship' isn't watching civilization collapse in the blood-soaked mud of france, it's writing 30 bad manuscripts before finally getting published.this lack of understanding comes entirely because he has never experienced life outside his sterilized, mormon-approved filter. his characters are not humans, they are what a sheltered manchild thinks humans are like based on watching marvel movies. that's why his 'depression' arcs are so insulting; it's nothing more than a video game status effect that can be cured by 'leveling up' and saying some magical words. that's why his 'romance' reads like a child smashing two asexual mannequins together.
>>24927759this comes to his greatest crime, arguably even worse than the prose; his ability to kill the very concept of magicthe entire point of fantasy, the entire reason the genre exists, is to use the impossible to explore the human spirit in ways reality could never allow. magic, in its truest literary form, is a metaphor for the sublime, the terrifying, the ineffable. it is a way to externalize the internal. it is gandalf standing against the balrog not because of his mana calculations, but because of a spiritual hierarchy. it is the cost of power, the corruption of the soul, the sudden intrusion of the divine and demonic into the mundane.sanderson took that limitless, terrifying potential and reduced it to a physics textbook written by a forensic accountant.his magic is not 'logical', it is bureaucratic. he stripped away the wonder and replaced it with rigid laws, conservation of mass, mana costs, and cooldown timers. he turned the miraculous into the mechanical. it is the ultimate midwit impulse: the desperate, trembling need to quantify the unquantifiable because you lack the soul to appreciate mystery.this obsession with 'hard magic' is just rules-lawyering disguised as worldbuilding. it appeals to a very specific type of brain-rot that has been poisoned by video games and anime power-scaling forums. these 'people' don't want to read a story, they want to read patch notes. they want to know exactly how many grams of a specific metal (which creates a specific alloy, which burns at a specific rate) are required to push a coin 30 feet.who gives a shit?when you reduce magic to a predictable science, you kill the metaphor. you turn the fantastical into just another commodity to be traded and optimized. his characters aren't interacting with the supernatural but instead exploiting it as a resource. they aren't wizards, they aren't mystics, they are engineers tinkering with machines. you cannot write poetic prose about a 'magic system' that requires a spreadsheet to function.this is why his influence is so poisonous. he has convinced an entire generation of aspiring writers that magic is just a substitute for technology, that 'good writing' is just clearly explaining the rules of said technology so the reader can feel smart for understanding the loophole the protagonist exploits in the climax.it creates a feedback loop of anti-art. readers conditioned on this slop begin to view ambiguity as a 'plot hole'. they take 'soft magic', real magic, and call it lazy because the author didn't provide a 40-page appendix explaining the thermodynamics of a spell.sanderson not only writes bad books, he fundamentally industrialized imagination. he has turned the genre of dreams into a genre of logistics. the normalfags are turning on him because they finally realized they're reading a 4000-page instruction manual to a game that doesn't exist, written by a man who thinks 'creativity' is just organizing a filing cabinet.
>>24926976Tiny Dick Syndrome. Lots of canadians deal with that.
>>24927795kaladin stormblessedkaladin fucking stormblessedif you unironically identify with this moping, wet blanket of a protagonist, you aren't 'deep' or 'tortured', you are literally just socially stunted.i've seen people defend his arc by saying 'depression has its ups and downs', and sure, in reality, it does. but the way sanderson writes it is genuinely insulting. it is not an organic human struggle. it's a rigid, algorithmic loop designed to pad the word count.kaladin is not a character, he is a depression treadmill.his entire existence across five doorstoppers is a repetitive cycle of:>mope around>get sad>almost give up>say magical catchphrase>glow in the dark and kill the bad guy>reset to zero for the next bookit is the gamification of mental illness. he treats trauma like a debuff status effect that can only be cleared by grinding enough xp to swear the next oath. it's mechanical, it's soulless, and it cheapens the very concept of recovery by turning it into a prerequisite for a power-up.but the worst part is the botched 'christ figure' metaphor he's trying to force.sanderson is trying to write kaladin as a messianic savior, but because his brain is so rotted by mormon theology, he fundamentally misunderstands what a 'messiah' is supposed to be.the jesus of the bible was a subversion of power. he was the 'man of sorrows' who washed the feet of his disciples, who dined with tax collectors, lepers, and prostitutes, the people society had deemed completely worthless. he conquered through sacrifice, not violence.sanderson cannot comprehend this. his conception of godhood is the corporate, american mormon heresy: that god is just a man who leveled up enough to get his own planet.that's why kaladin is such a grotesque insult to the concept of a savior.kaladin doesn't dine with the worthless, he acts as a bodyguard for the aristocracy. he doesn't wash feet, he demands respect because of his rank. he conflates spiritual worth with combat efficiency. his 'jesus' doesn't offer salvation through love or humility, he offers salvation by being the best at stabbing people with a glowing spear.it is a distinct, cult-like perversion of the archetype. he thinks being 'the savior' means being the coolest, strongest guy in the room who can fly around and enforce the status quo.kaladin is not a hero, and he certainly isn't a messiah. he is a super-powered jannie for the elite, suffering from a savior complex because he has no identity outside his own misery. he is a power fantasy for men who think silent resentment is a personality trait, that emotion is just another system to be optimized, for 'men' who are terrified of women and conflict. he gets to be the 'most powerful' guy in the room, but remains completely subservient and sexless because pursuing his desires would be 'selfish'.fuck kaladin, and fuck anyone who thinks he's a good character
>>24927839lets talk about hoidif kaladin is the embodiment of teenage angst, hoid is the physical manifestation of a fedora tiphe is one of the most insufferable characters i've ever come across, a narrative tumor that metastasizes across every single book. he is a blatant, shameless self-insert for sanderson to project his own unearned sense of intellectual superiority upon the text. every time he shows up, the narrative grinds to a screeching halt so he can smirk, play the flute, and deliver a monologue that sounds like a youth pastor trying to be 'deep' around a campfire.his 'wit' isn't witty. it's reddit-tier snark, it's joss whedon marvel-slop dialogue at its absolute worst.actual literary wit involves wordplay, subtext, and insight (see: tyrion lannister, shakespearean fools). hoid's 'wit' is just being the only character in the room who has read the script. he talks exactly like a midwit redditor who just won an argument in the shower. his insults aren't clever, they're just long-winded ways of calling people stupid, but because every other character in these books has the cognitive function of a brick, they act like he's oscar wilde.and the 'stories'? fuck me.sanderson has this compulsion to stop the plot dead so hoid can tell some trite, pseudo-philosophical fable about a dog or a moon, usually accompanied by some magic smoke and dust. it is the most pretentious, masturbatory writing in modern fantasy. it's sanderson begging the reader to look at how 'profound' he is, effectively stopping the movie to turn to the camera and explain the moral of the story like it's a pbs kids special.but the worst part is what he does to the immersion.he doesn't fit the world. he acts, speaks, and thinks like a millennial tech-blogger transported into a fantasy setting. he is a walking anachronism. you could have a scene about genocide, slavery, or the end of the world, and in pops hoid to crack a 'bazinga' and wink at the camera. his existence is a constant reminder to the reader that this is a product, a 'cosmere' story, rather than a living, breathing world.he is the ultimate 'dungeon master's girlfriend' character, an untouchable, immortal, smug prick who knows all the secrets, is cooler than everyone else, and is never in any real danger. he creates a vacuum of tension. you know nothing bad can happen when he's around because he's the author's pet. he is the toxic sludge of modern 'internet humor' given flesh.if you think hoid is funny, or 'cool', you belong in a locker
shit the fuck up
>>24927891prose, the ultimate midwit cope.i see people constantly regurgitating this line that his prose is 'window pane' or 'invisible', contrasting it with the 'stained-glass' prose that supposedly 'gets in the way'.let's be very clear: by using this metaphor, you are admitting brandon sanderson creates anti-art.the entire purpose of art is the 'stain' on the glass.art is not a neutral transmission of data. it is not a surveillance camera feed of a fictional event. art is the interpretation of reality through a specific, aesthetic medium. in literature, the language is the medium. the 'stain', the rhythm, the texture, the metaphor, the beauty, is what transforms a sequence of events into a transcendent experience. it colors the light; it changes how we perceive the world behind the glass.when you brag that sanderson's prose is a 'clear window pane', you are bragging that he has stripped the medium of all artistic value. you are bragging that he has removed the beauty, the ambiguity, and the human from the text to ensure maximum data throughput. he isn't giving you a stained-glass masterpiece that turns sunlight into the divine, he is giving you a freshly windexed sliding glass door that looks out onto a strip-mall parking lot.it is utilitarianism to the point of sterility. he describes things with the flat, dead affect of a police report. 'kaladin felt sad.' 'shallan blushed.' 'the sword was heavy.' there is no poetry, only data transmission. he treats words not as the paint on a canvas, but as the drywall of a cubicle.claiming that 'stained-glass prose gets in the way of the story' is the most embarrassing admission of philistinism you could possibly make. prose is the story. saying you want a story without 'distracting' prose is like saying you want a painting without 'distracting' brushstrokes, or a symphony without 'distracting' notes. you view language as an obstacle to overcome so you can get to the next plot point, rather than the experience itself. 'journey before destination' my ass.you don't hate 'stained glass' because it's 'hard to see through', you hate it because you are aesthetically colorblind. you prefer the windowpane because it doesn't challenge you. it makes you feel smart because you can power-skim 100 pages an hour without your brain ever having to engage with a complex sentence structure, a metaphor, or a thought that isn't explicitly spelled out for you in bold text.it is literary gruel. it is unseasoned boiled chicken for people who think flavor is 'distracting'.stop pretending that your inability to read above a ya level is valid aesthetic preference.you are not a minimalist. you're just illiterate.
>>24927921>>24927912nice typo, retard.is that what you do when you read these books? just open your mouth and let the content slurry flow in? the fact you can't even spell your own meltdown correctly proves my point. you have no arguments left. you can only scream and plug your ears because the thing that defines your entire personality is being exposed for the hollow, commercial mess it is.this actually segues us nicely to the final boss of this stupidity: the cosmere itself, the ultimate grift.this is where sanderson stops being just a bad writer and becomes an active cancer to the medium the cosmere isn't a literary project, it's a product line. it is the mcu-ification of literature, a soulless, corporate attempt to turn reading into a lifestyle brandhe has convinced retards like (you) that 'interconnectedness' is a substitute for quality.the books don't even stand on their own. they are merely 'content bricks' in a massive, never-ending wall of contaminated commercial sludge. you aren't reading a story, you're doing homework. you are scanning text for meaningless easter eggs, cameo appearances (that fucking faggot hoid), and reference codes to a wiki page you'll have to read later just to even understand the plot.it is anti-art. when you prioritize the 'meta-plot' over the actual plot, you destroy the stakes. characters stop feeling like people and start feeling like chess pieces being moved around to set up a crossover in 2035. emotional beats are sacrificed so he can wink at the audience and say, 'remember this guy from the other series? clap if you recognize him!'it appeals to the lowest form of consumer brain-rot, the same thing that causes the funko-pop collector mindset. you don't love these books because they are beautiful or profound, you love them because you feel a dopamine hit from recognizing a reference. it makes you feel 'smart' for memorizing the lore of a product, in the same way a marvel fan feels 'smart' for knowing who the guy in the post-credit scene is.it is not literature.you are not reading.you are consuming a franchise.you are trapped in a sunk-cost nightmare where you have to buy the next 1000-page brick not because you enjoy it, but because you need to know how the 'magic systems' interact so you can win an argument on reddit.sanderson isn't an author. he is the ceo of a content mill, and you are the paypig thanking him for the slop(formerly chuck's)
>>24926349Was this edited by Lin Carter? He and De Camp sucked at fiction but they did so much good for the fantasy publishing field.
Need more stories with talking bugs. I’ve already read Vinge.
>>24927985Maybe The Bug Wars by Robert L. Asprin? Reptilians v insectoids.
>>24926147I interpreted Burgundufara cucking him to be a sign of the distance between Severian and the rest of humanity. Notice that the book ends on Severian being a god. Burgundofara becomes afraid of Severian, when he revives that man. She becomes afraid of that Severian, because he is no longer a being like her, or she finally realizes that. It's also to highlight a decisive way to show her abandoning Severian, in a way that hurts all the more. I don't think other women cuck him, though.
>>24927985
The basis of is response is that you believe what you've written. It doesn't matter whether you do or not. I'm uninterested in responding to the posts prior to the first one I've responded to,>>24927759You believe that Sanderson is highly influential and worth writing against at length, at least relative to what's usually posted here. What you believe that Sanderson stands for is antithetical to the proper and natural order of literature. It's not simply that Sanderson is wrong. It's more fundamental. He could even be described as a corrosive force, if not evil, that is destroying all you hold precious and dear to your heart.In your posts you've established why Sanderson is bad, wrong, and ought to be banished from all writing. His mere existence is anathema. He and your ideals cannot exist. They are intolerable.You've established that only your way is permissible. If anyone falls out of precise alignment with you, then they must be corrected.You alone have decided on the strict definitions for everything and allowed for no alternatives. Everything must forever be static and unchanging. Once the preferred tradition was established, it must be conserved at all costs.I believe that you're wrong with this. Time goes on and new ways emerge. Words and concepts are changed into different metaphors that better explain the culture that exists.Your problem then doesn't really lie with Sanderson. He's a mere symptom. What you have a problem with is contemporary society. You decry the branch because the trunk is too intimidating.The descriptions you provide of the characters are you comparing them and find them lacking. These are your interpretations that you have created to explain your disappointment. They aren't relevant comparisons. You are presenting what you dislike and applying it on to whatever, so that you feel it's justified and reasonable to be so upset about it.These resentments you hold are your own. You've created a fantasy in your mind of what this is all that doesn't accurately reflect what's present.Rage all you want against this, but it means nothing. Again, all you've done is transfer your antipathy towards the world onto this, because it makes for a much easier target and you feel that he's become more vulnerable.Based on what I've seen, I believe that you've also misunderstood why many are so upset with Sanderson now. Many dislike the Cosmere because they want to be dedicated to a single series. They don't want there to be interconnectedness, or dare I say, intertextuality. The people you describe a minority, and not even a vocal one at that. You're conflating various different sorts of fandom. There are many others reasons why to dislike Sanderson, yet to pick some of the least relevant to many.If it weren't the saddest thing, it'd be the funniest thin, is that...well, let's leave that as a matter for another time, that time being probably never.May you have peace in your heart and forgiveness in your soul.
>>24928052nice freshman psych 101 lecture, you pretentious douchebagyou accuse me of deciding 'only my way is permissible'?yes.that is called having taste. that is called distinguishing between art and commerce.you're trying to frame the degradation of literature into video-game manuals as 'new ways emerging' or 'metaphors changing to explain the culture'. this is not literature evolving, this is literature devolving. it is the commodification of the human soulyou are defending the shift from creation to content creation. you are arguing that because the 'culture' has become a fried-dopamine consumerist hellhole, our art should reflect that by becoming hollow, mechanical, and transactional.>words and concepts are changed into different metaphorsyes, sanderson changed the metaphor of the 'sublime' into the metaphor of the 'spreadsheet'. this is not some neutral change. it is a loss of resolution, a spiritual lobotomy. and you're sitting here, huffing your own farts, acting like accepting this race to the bottom makes you enlightened>you decry the branch because the trunk is too intimidatingprojection, midwit. i decry the branch because it is poisoning the roots. sanderson is a super-spreader, he's not just some random symptom. he validates the idea that art doesn't need to challenge you, it just needs to distract you. he tells a generation of readers that they don't need to engage with the human condition, just that they need to memorize a wiki page that solves everything for them.also, your 'diagnosis' of the fandom is fucking retarded. people aren't mad about the 'intertextuality' (nice pseud buzzword btw), they're mad because the 'interconnectedness' is a marketing scam that holds the plot hostage. now that the whimsy of the autismo magic has worn off, they're seeing it for what it really is. they're mad because the prose reads like a toaster manual. they are mad because the characters are cardboard cutouts. trying to reduce the backlash down to 'people just want standalone books' is just you desperately trying to avoid the fact that the writing itself is garbage
>>24928108You're guilty of all the same. There's no art in you. There's nothing sublime. You are a hollow vessel crying out to be filled, but find all that would, unworthy. You cite the betters, yet emulate them not in any way. Consider, would those you profess as being worthy of respect and admiration do as you do? No, they would not. You're in the gutter with the rest of us. A pig squealing to other pigs that he doesn't like the filth he finds himself in.
>>24928052>>24928108>>24928128and another thing, the way you're speaking is genuinely disturbing. you have just proved my entire point about the cult-like nature of his fanbase in ways you aren't even self-aware enough to realizetake a moment to actually look at the language you used>corrosive force>evil>anathema>proper and natural orderdo you hear yourself? you are talking about a fantasy book series written by a mormon as if it were religious dogma, elevating a fucking commercial product to the status of the sacredto you, my criticism isn't just some difference in taste or intellectual disagreement, it's heresy.you view anyone who points out the flaws in the 'scripture' not as a critic, but as a 'suppressive person', a moral deviant who needs to be pathologized, corrected, and eventually excommunicated to protect the purity of the hivemind. you literally described my critique as 'destroying all you hold precious and dear to your heart.' if a bad review of a sub-mediocre fantasy novel series is enough to destroy your worldview, your worldview is made of glass.this is the exact mormon-adjacent conditioning i was talking about. it is the behavior of a high-control group. the instant someone steps outside the bubble to say 'the emperor has no clothes', you don't engage with the argument on its merits. you can't. instead, you label the dissenter as 'corrupted' or 'bitter' and try to shun them. you view aesthetic dissent as an abject moral failing. you believe that if someone doesn't like the 'content', there must be something wrong with their soul.you can't claim that i've 'created a fantasy in my mind' when you are the one treating a paperback novel series like holy religious text that must be defended from 'evil'. you have completely collapsed the barrier between your identity as a person and your identity as a consumer. you are the perfect little paypig, defending the brand with zealous fervor because you bought into the idea that consumption is a form of worship.>may you have peace in your heartfucking kill yourself, genuinely actually kill yourself.this isn't kindness, and you know it. its the smug, weaponized pity of a cultist looking down on an 'outsider' who refuses to drink the flavor-aid. it is a defense mechanism to convince yourself that the only reason someone could hate your slop is because they are 'unhappy', rather than the obvious reality that they have higher standards than you.your apathy is not wisdom. you are not 'at peace'. you're just too numb to realize you're eating ash.
>>24926654?
>>24928146lol, nice. I wasn't going to respond more, but in keeping with my original statement, I should explain myself. The language I used was in response to your language. >the jesus of the bible was a subversion of power. he was the 'man of sorrows' who washed the feet of his disciples, who dined with tax collectors, lepers, and prostitutes, the people society had deemed completely worthless. he conquered through sacrifice, not violenceand so, on, since you were going on about religion. Wew, your persecution complex is well-developed, as it tends to be in your sort. Did I say anything in support of Sanderson? No, I have not. You're the one who believes he's important. He isn't. You greatly exaggerate his influence. Personally, I'm indifferent to Sanderson. He can be fun at times, but overall I don't really care. What I take issue with is your presentation, not your assessment. I really do hope that you're able to exorcise your the ghost called Sanderson living within you. You should at least consider charging rent.
>>24927393>a waitress he rapedNever happened
>>24928179nice backpedalyou went from claiming my critique is 'antithetical to the proper and natural order' and a 'corrosive force' to 'lol, i don't actually care, i'm indifferent' the second you got pushed back.if you were actually indifferent, you wouldn't have written a pseudo-intellectual sermon defending the 'new ways emerging'. you are just embarassed that you got called out for acting like a cultist, so now you're retreating to the safety of 'too cool to care'.you are a coward. you are pathetic.and don't try to fool me on the language comparison. i referenced jesus to deconstruct a specific literary archetype (the messiah figure) that sanderson failed to execute. i was analyzing text. you used words like 'evil', 'anathema', and 'corrosive' to describe me because i dared to dislike a book series.one is literary analysis, the other is you having a moral panic sperg out because someone insulted your slop. it is not comparable.>What i take issue with is your presentation, not your assessmentso you admit i'm right. you admit that the assessment is correct. you admit that the prose is bad, the theology is botched, and the commercialization is gross. you just don't like that i'm mean about ittone policing is always the last refuge of a midwit fuck who lost an argument. you have nothing of value to say in regard to actual points, so you're crying about my attitude.>rent free ghostcritiquing the biggest cancer in the genre isn't being 'haunted', dipshit. it's taking out the trash.stop pretending your apathy is a virtue. you cared enough to write a manifesto defending the 'evolution' of literature, but now that you've been humiliated, you're suddenly 'indifferent'.you're pathetic.also, joseph smith was a sexually abusive pedophile. he married 40 women, some of them stolen from his followers, with 7 of them being minors. the entirety of the mormon faith is a lie, and its 'prophet' is rightfully burning in hell.faggot.
I'm reading Roadside Picnic
>>24928222No, I said that you believe that Sanderson is antithetical to the proper and natural order and corrosive force.
Dear lolcow,My hands are tired.I can no longer milk your teats.Seek relief elsewhere.
>>24928242>>24928250it doesn't matter how you frame it. the fact that you reached for the words like 'evil', 'anathema', and 'proper and natural order' to describe a literary critique proves my point. you pathologize having standards. you view rejection of your slop not as a difference of opinion, but as a disruption to the cosmic order. normal people do not think like that, only cultists do.and, just to prove a point because i'm a petty bitch; i never said he was 'evil' or 'antithetical to nature'. i said he writes like a forensic accountant, grifts his fans with a hollow product, and fails to understand human emotion. those are critiques of craft and commerce.you are the one that translated valid literary criticism into 'destroying the natural order'.if anything, it reveals your mindset, not mine.to me, he is just a hack writer selling garbage to retards.to you, my rejection of that garbage is so incomprehensible that you have to frame it as a metaphysical war against 'the proper order' just to make sense of it. you are projecting your own cult-like reverence onto my disgust. normal people don't mistake 'this book sucks' for 'this is a cosmic battle against evil', only zealots do that.and what happened to being 'indifferent'?i thought you 'didn't really care'?yet here you are, replying to argue semantics and sentence structure because your ego is bruised. if you were actually indifferent, you would have walked away.instead, you're still here, frantically trying to 'correct the record' on your own hypocrisy while ignoring the fact you already admitted i was correct.you are a nothing more than a pathetic bitchfaggot walking around in magical underwear.
>>24928239I hope you're liking it.
>>24928275It's good
I hate that Daniel Green now knows about Gene Wolfe and The Book of the New Sun. Why did that degenerate have to discover his works.
>>24928302Because he lurks this accursed place.
What are your favorite lewd sci/fo fantasy novels from the 80s or earlier?
>>24928302Does he like it? I feel like his s o y would get ruffled from that series but normies sometimes surprise me>>24928322I doubt it.
>>24927985Children of time
Is there some blog or video essay I can watch explaining BotNS? I know people will say just re-read it and you will notice things but I have no time for that man I have other shit to read
>>24927759an insecure teenager vomiting as many words as possible about some popular book he doesn't care for while sharing art from Final Fantasy is very, very funnynext up you should do a TOTAL ownage teardown of the hard scifi while posting pics of Ms. Rachel (tasteful)
>>24928504green's favorite series is malazan so he's more than capable of enjoying book of the new sun
>>24928720notice how you used all those words but said absolutely nothing?you can't refute a single point about the prose, the magic, the theology, or the storytelling, so you attack the attached image instead.bitchnigger behavior.and yes, a singular piece of amano art has more artistic merit, aesthetic vision, and emotional resonance than sanderson has or will ever achieve with his entire bibliography.the fact you can't distinguish between 'stylized visual art' and 'writing a novel like a literal video game manual' exposes your complete lack of taste.ms. rachel is a funny comparison, though. both her and sanderson write for the exact same mental age group. only difference is that she knows her audience is toddlers, whereas his fans genuinely believe you're reading literature
IT'S OUT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsiP2M0P8RM&t=93s&pp=ygUNZGFuaWVsIGdyZWVuZQ%3D%3D
>>24927939I've enjoyed most of the Sanderson books I've read, but I really enjoyed this critique as well and think most of what you said is part of the money. I can't stand the mindset of "you can't criticize anything I like." Sanderson is basically slop, he writes stuff that is well-paced and easy to read, but is very lightweight even by fantasy standards. It's like Code Geass: it all goes by so fast and there are so many "cool" moments that it's easy to not pay attention and realize how stupid the whole thing is. Same with the Red Rising guy. I enjoy those authors for what they are, but if that's all you read, you need to broaden your horizons. A diet of nothing but junk food is unhealthy. >>24927512Don't let the genre tag scare you away. I've read the first book in the "progression fantasy" series, and as far as I can tell it's not really like other progression fantasies. There's basically a ranking system of magic users, but it is determined by a council of mages, so going from, e.g. rank 7 to rank 10 isn't a matter of like grinding 15740 XP, but instead being recognized by the council as being at a certain level of mastery. Or, in other words, the progression feels more realistic because it's tied to actually mastering things and interacting with people rather than engaging in some autistic and arbitrary system dreamt up by some loser who has played too many Japanese RPG. It does feel a lot more lightweight and YA than the other books I've read by Larry, but it is a fast and enjoyable read.
>>24928268So this whole exchange was AI output that those other retards couldn't recognize right
>>24928907Which ones were AI? >>24928052 or>>24928108I'm so confused.
>>24928302I thought you were lying...God dammit
>>24928720He used images on an imageboard, perhaps you should do the same.
>>24920667Books with Brittany took down the Bakker video because this subreddit downvoted and harassed her too much
>>24928906exactly. it's fast food. and that's fine if you acknowledge it's nothing more than a greasy burger. the problem is the cultists treating the happy meal toy like it's michelangelo. if you're self-aware, whatever. but if you start defending this shit by calling it 'masterful', you need to be bullied with extreme prejudice.>>24928907'too many words? must be a robot!'beep boop, niggagpt here. i love rape.
>>24928302>>24928322I don't think it's about lurking this place. The real reason Book of the New Sun seems to be getting more and more recognized, is due to the popularity of Sun Eater getting higher. This affects BotNS, because the author of Sun Eater, Ruocchio, is a vocal Wolfe fan, putting plenty of homages (maybe too many) in his book(s)*. Thus these youtubers get drawn to market Book of the New Sun, because they interact with Ruocchio.*I've tried reading that series, because I know he is a fan of Wolfe and I love Wolfe. Sadly, I've never been able to even finish Empire of Silence. I thought it was crap. Protagonist is a bitch, chantry is the most cartoonishly evil organization in the universe and the writing is nowhere near as good as Wolfe; way too many words, with too little meaning. The book is the size of Shadow & Claw, with zero of the substance. Doesn't help that the book is filled with constant references even to "regular" world history, with the most basic bitch shit. Nowhere near Wolfe, who actually understood his materials, just see Latro.
>>24929011Pierce Brown is also a fan of Wolfe.
who isn't a fan of wolfe
Make this the OP image for the next thread.
>>24929093be the change you want to see, anon
New thread>>24929120
>>24928322He's too much of a self-important reddit brown-noser to ever lurk somewhere that people aren't constantly fellating himBesides, if he was, then he'd have picked up on Wolfe and Bakker way soonerI'd love to see that smarmy little fuck complain about how he tried Bakker but it filtered him
