>"Private property is bad because...because it just is, okay?!"Bravo Marx, epic stuff.
>>24921871>I haven’t bother to read the sections of Kapital on primitive accumulation.Shit board. Fuck you.
its funny seeing threads about this guy because its so obvious that anyone talking shit on him hasnt read anything he wrote
>>24921871are you genuinely fucking retarded OP? why the fuck would you assume that a guy who is famous for writing a fucking 3 volume treatise on capitalism became arguably the most influential sociologist and political philosopher of all time by making a single claim and not elaborating on it at all?
what do we think about georgism? why did it disappear, anyway?
>>24921964>>24922134>>24922141Seething Marxweenies outed, nice job, OP.
>>24921871Life is temporary and I would rather spend it on loving humans and gods creation and advancing thought than being enslaved to ephemeral technologies or others property. It devalues human life fundamentally while endlessly accumulating sin, I only believe in necessary labor such as agriculture and the construction and maintenance of habitations, storehouses, water systems, and medical institutions. Once humanity has organized the labor for that we should have the rest of our short lives spent on contributing to humanity as opposed to wasting all of our spirits on endless production and consumption of waste to distract from the absurdity of our condition. No one who loves god and his works loves private property
>according to the LTC if I spend 4 hours pushing out a massive shit it's worth more than a car it took me 2 hours to assemblewhat did he mean by this?
>>24922182*LTV
>>24922178Can I sleep in your home?
I did a political economics degree and read Marx/Marxists for 3 years and ended up completely devoted to Nick Land
>>24922178Give me your car then.
>>24922215I don't have a home because of private property I have a home because I am a human, do you think personal homes did not exist in communal agrarian societies? I do not own the home I supposedly own because of something called property tax, I own a license to own a home, and the government can as easily take it away as they allow me to own it. Government is just a polity that distributes the resources of a society, I am saying that government can do a better job of it by giving a house to all who do the adequate labor to maintain the society that constructs it
>>24922225pre or post amphetamine breakdown?
>>24922235That wasn't the question.
>>24922246I am telling you explicitly I believe people have a right to personal homes and Marx does not advocate for their abolition so I do not understand how your question has to do with private property or its merits or this thread. Personal homes exist without private property
>>24922238post of courseread Xenosystems
>>24922254Very semantic distinction but Marx wasn't a semiotic thinker.
>>24922255>read a junkies ravingsShan't.
>>24922255>Become slaves to rich people because a book uses fancy neologisms, obscure christian and sci-fi referencesI'll pass
>>24922266You're already a slave to rich people.
>>24922268Yeah so why should I accept it? They don't own my ideas/thoughts and feelings (yet)
>>24922266you're lower than a slave already>fancy neologisms, obscure christian and sci-fi referencesread Xenosystems>>24922262Land was not using drugs when he wrote Xenosystemsread Xenosystems
>>24922276What's lower than a slave in your cyberpunk dnd roleplay?>read xenosystemWhy anon? Shouldn't you be able to write a couple sentences explaining yourself? This is /lit/ after all.
>>24922287what exactly do you want me to explain?>Become slaves to rich people because a book uses fancy neologisms, obscure christian and sci-fi referencesLand doesn't advocate this and Xenosystems doesn't contain this, what is that you want?
>>24921964Literally nobody has ever bothered to read the sections of Kapital on primitive accumulation other than you. You're the only person who knows what those sections say. What do they say?
>>24921871That's not Proudhon
>>24922235>do you think personal homes did not exist in communal agrarian societiesPeople would live with other people and winter with livestock, that's just in rural communities. Who knows what kind of high-density shit was going on in the cities.
>>24921871Marx never argues that private property is le bad tho. He argues that private property is akshually le good, but unfortunately property continuously propertying on will eventually fuck itself up because we live in le society, but the resulting clusterfuck will akshually be le good.
>>24921871Private property isn't bad but i think there should be a cap on the amount of land an entity can own, and a cap on the number of houses and stuff someone can ownMaking it some kinda economic financial game for average joes to afford a place to live is just evil. 1500 a month for a studio apartment to rent, half a million for a 2 bedroom house, give me a break
>>24921871>>24921964>Stupid claim without actual text by marx>Stupid rebuttal without actual text actual text by marxHaven't read enough from the guy so I don't know but maybe if either of you chums wrote something substantial with a quotations it would have been a more productive thread.>>24922134The truth. I have the epubs laying around of Das Kapital but I just keep getting sidetracked with reading other stuff...so it goes, so it goes..Anyway, GN /lit/
>buys all the landheh nothing personal kid
>>24923153https://lmgtfy.app/?q=primative+accumulation+and+origins+of+private+property+marx
>>24923153>I literally have PDFs of Kapital but am too much of an ADHD riddled zoomer to use its table of contents to find the chapter on primitive accumulation and demand people spoon-feed me instead.You are an actual subhuman. A retard amongst men. A microcosm of everything wrong with this board. A loathsome, annoying, stupid, dense, and obnoxious little thing. May our paths never cross again.
>>24921871Bible.Acts. 4:32
As someone who is inclined to Communism myself, the worst part about it is probably its evangelists. I have never met a group of more capital-U useless people in all my time on this planet. The masses would probably be more interested in listening to someone talk about Critique of the Gotha Program if the speaker was a carpenter or infantryman than, most commonly, some jobless 27 year old who has no skills or desire to change that. We need men who can build things not dainty homosexuals and crossdressers who see themselves as party apparatchiks.Extremely disappointing state of affairs, I'm afraid.
>>24923498Intellectuals will always be the vanguard. The proles are too stupid to know what is best for them unfortunately.
>yeah the revolution is gonna happen in Germany or Britain or however the kugel is rolled>ends up happening in backwards agrarian shitholes like Russia and China
>>24923519Yeah. So much for "scientific socialism"
>>24923503You can be an intellectual and also be useful. I am well-read.
>>24922178>No one who loves god and his works loves private propertyHelloooOOOOOO?! The saved are repeatedly described as PROPERTY of God (technically, of Jesus Christ, since Yahweh is Evil, and one is saved precisely from him). And Subjectivity as such, on which everything you affirm here is contingent, is literally property. You are walled, and Legally so: in the Evil sense, by Yahweh, for torturous purposes, and in the salvific sense, by Jesus Christ, who purges the parasitic worms of Yahweh from your boundaries. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
>>24923617based gnostic retard
>>24923503Yeah, better to point guns to their heads, send dissenters to gulags, and if all else fails, punish them with mass starvation. I'm sure you'll win them over eventually.
>>24923498>As someone who is inclined to Communism myself, the worst part about it is probably its evangelists. I have never met a group of more capital-U useless people in all my time on this planet.i guess that their uselessness is itself an Inherent Contradiction of Our Conjuncture, as they say.right now in the west the people to whom Marxism often appeals - who evaluate our current world in the light of the future communist world, the potential for which capitalism creates but cannot fulfil - are those who grew up outside the pressure to conform to the job market, in comfortable middle-class families, exposed to all kinds of culture and pleasurable freedom. this environment instilled in them a disdain for the narrowness of contemporary mainstream culture and economic competition, alongside an imaginative connection to the cultures of the distant past and the subcultures of the recent past. and it therefore also instilled in them a strong sense that the world could and should be vastly different. but because they're too feeble to become high-ranking economic players or develop the burly infrantryman physique that the proles, apparently, long for, the world these failsons and faildaughters glimpse is one that they themselves cannot bring about. in them, as in capitalism, the process that creates the potential also stunts its fulfilment. in pathetic miniature they reproduce one of the contradictions of capitalism at large.this is why i think we shouldn't get too hung up on whether certain individuals are cool and burly or lame and effeminate. churning beneath it all are still the complex evolving currents of history, and only the tiny right-wing mind, trained on boomer political cartoons, looks at the historically determined character types that happen to be around them and thinks that these embody the archetypal Platonic forms of history itself. in our age communism may have receded and become unpopular in part because the historical conditions are such that only dorks see its appeal. but that says more about the historical conditions than it does about communism.
Every time I think that Marxists couldn't possibly embarrass themselves any further they make another post.
>>24921871>capitalism gradually eroding my ability to own private property>marxism proposes the immediate abolition of my right to own private propertyLiterally what's even the point? It's just capitalism on fast forward.
>>24923498>can someone else to communism for me pretty pleasethis is 99% of communists btw
>>24923685Anime enthusiasts will be among the first against the wall when the revolution comes.
>>24923498Those are Marxian churchmen. >not dainty homosexuals and crossdressersThat's a meme. The modern boys getting raised by the NSA and whatever MK program they want to call it. There aren't that many. Compared to their "chud" antithesis. The truly useless, or rather WORSE than useless, are the heads of mega corporations
>>24923699There's not gonna be a revolution. The billionaire class allows you people to exist mostly so that anyone who criticizes capitalism will be associated with you and ignored, and also because you are completely ineffectual.
>>24923685>marxismThere's your problem.
>>24923714I like third positions that propose preserving my right to own property, but writers like Belloc or Feder just go completely ignored in all discourse and probably always will.
>>24923708>Marxian churchmenNo such animal.
>>24921871It violates the ancestral right to roam because it alienates me from portions of God's green Earth
>>24923708>That's a meme.Listen brother, we agree with each other on the fundamentals, so don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining. There's trillions of these useless disaffected queers, or those directly adjacent to them.>Compared to their "chud" antithesis. Having crossed paths with people of all political stripes, the "chud" is 100% more likely to be useful, probably because he believes in Chuddite things like manliness. The chud is a lineman. The Marxsoy is a lit-major dropout. The reason the Russian revolution succeeded was because it was made of strong peasant men who could do things.Essentially, my main Chuddo-Marxist thesis is that everybody needs to stop being so fucking gay and build the skills needed to realize this future that they want so badly (but will do essentially nothing for).
>>24921871Belloc's assessment of Capitalism is much more coherent imo.
>>24923805>hood rats are proletariatOnly a non-American would ever dream that street niggers are the producers of wealth.
Americans are so trained that as long as they make $150,000 in profit from their various roofing and residential electric companies--paying shit for the Mexicans that they exploit--then all is well notwithstanding a Zionist pedophile as their grifter in chief. Truly a race of vermin that deserves to be humiliated at every opportunity.
>>24921964>>24922134this is why i don't effortpost anymore. this site is for memes and lols. nothing more.
>>24923848I'll translate this. You don't have anything worth reading.
>>24923842It's sad how they abuse of the Mexicans ignorance and desperation.
>>24923852>jealous seethingproves my point
>>24923842>Truly a race of vermin that deserves to be humiliated at every opportunity.You don't know how to handle a firearm. How could you possibility humiliate anyone?
>>24923842
>>24922235You are pure evil stupidity and very likely a woman. Almost every major disaster and collapse of civilizations in human history can be directly traced to retards like you.Just shut the fuck up about complex subjects you refuse to actually think about.
>>24923737I'm calling Marxism a cult. A faith in "scientific socialism" and their statist ideals.All states are nationalistic faiths though. This one just poses as revolutionary.>>24923794>trillionsYou're mistaken of course.>Useful chudUtility for who though? To the CIA. The rich. The zionists.>ManlinessFake masculine ideals. Gays and women can be just as strong.
>>24921871>today i will come up with a new economic theory>takes fifty morbillion pages to describe labor value theory with linen --> jacket examplesare all germans just terrible at writing engaging literature? hegel, kant, marx, they're all so fucking boring
>>24923860Firearms are pretty common throughout most developed countries as practical and well-understood hunting implements. Americans don‘t recognize this because their idea of freedom to bear arms is owning fifty range queens as a prop to masturbatory uprising fantasies which they are perpetually exposed as unable to deliver on: both due to social cowardice and the fact that it might involve moderate cardio. t. american
>>24922948During the medieval era to about the time of the Industrial Revolution, cities like Edinburgh were filled with these tightly packed hovels where multiple families would share a single room, usually with a shit bucket or two to go around between them all. The fancier hovels had wooden floors, the more destitute ones were just packed dirt. As you can imagine, this ended terribly in times of disease as with the bubonic plague where thousands ended up dead and tossed outside the city walls. In later eras you'd start to see new floors being constructed, resulting in a sort of modern-day apartment style situation, except usually they'd still rely on externally built scaffold-style staircases, which meant people would often get injured or die outright just trying to leave their house. Great times. You can still get tours around some of these places today.
>>24923978This was good. Weeded out the useless eaters.
>>24923983To be fair, not many of them were eating to begin with.
The petite bourgeoisie LARPing as the bourgeoisie will never not be pitiful. They're so beholden to however small amount of property they license from the government that they'll sooner support monetary policies that debase the American dollar thus accelerating the upward transfer of wealth than policies that are so innocuous as to act as guardrails against the all-consuming nature built into capital. Alas, Freud was right.
>>24923977>t. americanYou also don't own a firearm and are probably a homosexual crossdresser.
>>24923994Lots of people are spiteful cretins. It should be no surprise. They would suffer so that someone else must suffer multiply, when in reality, no undue suffering was necessary.
>>24921871Lit is constantly proving the theory that fbi uses 4chan to create hostility against anything that accurately criticises capitalism in its current firm>>24921871This isn't Marx, it's Proudhon. Marx never called anything "bad"Marxism is just the close of the philosophical system, analytics and continentals even though they occasion upon something interesting are essentially just coping that Philosophy has no real relevance today because Dialectical Materialism ended the systems that came before. Analytic word puzzles and thought experiments are still fun though, in the same way a crossword is. And Continentals have nice prose and interesting but mostly useless concepts. :3
>>24923817>Belloc's assessment of CapitalismNot really, anyone that uses terms like totalitarianism or authoritarianism isn't to be taken seriously. Hegel already had an accurate conception of states, which was only missing the addition of class character.
>>24923994>thus accelerating the upward transfer of wealthDevaluing the currency that's being hoarded would transfer wealth from the hoarders to whoever is actually participating in the economy.Nothing retards like you say ever has any relationship to reality. You're not even trying to be convincing, you'll never actually glance at the subjects you yap about sincerely because like you hinted at everything you say is about psychological ego horseshit, not the actual subject whatever it happens to be.
>>24923685>Anime fan not understanding the difference between real property, personal property, and private property example 100 million
>>24924053NTA Qrd on real property?
>>24924042You can't criticize a thing if you don't spend any energy sincerely trying to understand it.There's plenty to criticize about "capital" but none of you retards ever manage it, so in effect as controlled opposition with no role except as targets of justified hate you become agents of the thing you claim to hate.
Kill all commietards tbqfh
>>24921964>nooooo you have to read the outdated economic theories of Marxerinoooooo>otherwise you're a subliterateriniiiiiiiNiggy there are thousands of irrelevant writers, probably millions. Marx is less of a requirement than the committee of fagtrons who wrote the Hardy Boys.
>>24924070Then you will be left with all the authoritarians, including the zionists, monarchists, Fabians, neoliberals and Marxists."tards" is you.
>>24924089You cannot help yourself to quadruple down on the public retardation that is this thread even in your first sentence. Marx’s coverage of primitive accumulation isn’t some hyper abstract theory, it’s historical accounting of how common lands got privatized at the beginning of industrialization, kicking people off their ancestral lands into urban environments to become laborers and/or destitute while their prior lands are developed as well. It’s still used today as a concept to understand how capital enters into and develops third world shit holes. Your response is so repugnantly ignorant because of its sinful pride in its own anti-intellectualism, all from someone who writes like a reels addicted meme spewing zoomer. Read a book you pigheaded dumb fuck.
>>24922182read the first 30 pages of capital>>24923805white trash and hood rates are lumpenproletarians, not proletarians, they are almost always practically reactionaryghetto culture and political economy of being a criminal, thief, gangster has nothing to do with a real worker and the mob has always served the ruling class>>24923994their tendency towards reactionary politics is annoying, but they are so loud because capital accumulation and technological progress are increasingly making their locally sourced ethical smal business whatever bullshit irrelevant, thus destroying their ways of lifehowever, the bourgeoisie can also be quite frankly incredibly annoying whenever, for example, they fight against the petite bourgeoisie>>24924042I think that Marx and Engels truly did show an incredible step forward in philosophy, one that has been ignored unfortunately by modern philosophy, which is based on obscure linguistics>>24924053personal property is not a term Marx used anywhere, it's a term from Proudhon
>>24924113>Commies are exempt from being authoritarianOof.
>>24922246>doesnt know the difference between private and personal property. Your house that you sleep in is personal property, the houses you own to leverage rent from others is your private property. The factory and industrial equipment you bought to produce commodities is your private property.
>>24923519"I am convinced that this time the explosive revolution will not start in the West, but in the East—in Russia."Marx, 10th May 1879, letter to Jules GuesdesYou're so wrong and stupid you should be cut open and studied in a lab.
>>24924053There is no difference. These semantics are nothing more than pure cope to avoid the toothbrush question and to pretend like property didn't exist before capitalism.
>>24924206property existed before capitalism, nobody denies that and will exist in socialism, it's just that it will be common property
>>24924215>it's just that it will be common propertyAnd that's the part where you lose everybody.
>>24924215"Common" property will, for all practical purposes, be the property of the person or people who control it.Consider this: You can tell the collective farmer that the collective farm is his collective property all you want, but if there's a foreman with the right to force him to work and to generally manage the farm, then realistically speaking it's the foreman's farm. And if there's a managing council over the whole society with the right to force the foreman and the collective farmers to move to a different facility, then realistically speaking the farm and the people who work on it are the property of the managing council.Alternatively, if I'm allowed a "personal" home and given the right to modify it as I see fit, to come and go as I see fit, to give or trade it to someone else as I see fit, and to restrict the access of others to it as I see fit, and others do not generally have the right to expel me or take it away from me, then realistically it it my private property even if there's some governing document somewhere that classifies all property as "collective."
>>24924064Land.>>24924138>personal property is not a term Marx used anywhere, it's a term from ProudhonIt's also a common enough term in most systems of law. English law distinguishes between real property (land) and personal property (literally anything else).
>>24924179Yeah, that's because Soloviev tried to kill the tsar, not because Marx had some prescient epiphany lmao
Communism is just spicy liberalism for upper-middle class teens and twentysomethings until their dad arranges a position for them at whatever company they happen to be middle managers at.
>>24923685Communism and capitalism are two sides of the same shekel. In a normal system, random rich people that nobody has even heard of shouldn't get executed on the spot or get all their riches seized, nor should they be allowed to influence governments from the shadows with their wealth(lobbying).
>>24923498>The first thing that must strike any outside observer is that Socialism, in its developed form is a theory confined entirely to the middle classes. The typical Socialist is not, as tremulous old ladies imagine, a ferocious-looking working man with greasy overalls and a raucous voice. He is either a youthful snob-Bolshevik who in five years' time willquite probably have made a wealthy marriage and been converted to Roman Catholicism; or, still more typically, a prim little man with a white-collar job, usually a secret teetotaller and often with vegetarian leanings, with a history of Nonconformity behind him, and, above all, with a social position which he has no intention of forfeiting. This last type is surprisingly common in Socialist parties of every shadeGeorge Orwell, Road to Wigan Pier, 1937Nothing ever happens.
>>24924378George Orwell was a rapist and a narc. Him and Hannah Arendt have poisoned the well to the extent idiots actually believe either to be trustworthy in any sense of the word. >>24924355"Da joos" Great analysis.
>>24924435Go pray to Stalin in the corner and cry about them some more there.
I liked fucking daddy's money commie girls in college.
>>24923869No one on this site is able to form any argument for or against anything, you all just insult each other, this is such a sublimation of your competitive instinct because you're so alienated you can't go outside of the house and bump heads with anything real. All I am saying is that there is more to this world than slaving, if all you can see is resources being contested get off a literary board and go become a Rockefeller, if you actually believe in something tell me what it is
>>24924140Can you not read? Can't you think?Marxism is not a path to the commune. They're statist, and those always ALWAYS lead to authoritarianism. This was already discovered and the enemies of authoritarianism thought up the idealism of life without those authoritarians.Named this idea after the historical precedent (pictured). Places like Dithmarschen.
>>24922144The only time Georgism is ever brought up is when people are salty that parking lots exist in downtown areas.
>>24924491I believe in actually analysing complex systems, actually fucking thinking. Evil retards like you actively stand against all thought and you don't try to hide it, you believe it's a sign of virtue to try to browbeat people with emotional manipulation into pretending to agree with you and every post you make is trying to make this kind of mindless appeal. You're not alone, anyone in the public arena flirting with the idea of actually thinking for even a second is met with an army of you retards doing everything you can to shut it down.Just read your own fucking posts you braindead media golem. What the fuck is this shit? Why can't you even pretend to be a sincere person capable of actually thinking?
>>24922225Based schizoid
All these people on the LITERATURE board without enough reading comprehension to realize that this is a LITERATURE board and not a HISTORY & HUMANITIES board.
The answer is worker owned co-operatives.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative
>>24924551Get fucked
>>24923189Shut up
>>24924572Damn straight!
>>24924355>random rich people that nobody has even heard of shouldn't get executed on the spotDubs of Wrongness>nor should they be allowed to influence governments from the shadows with their wealthAnon as long as wealth and governments exist it is metaphysically impossible for wealthy people to not influence governments. That's what wealth and government are. If no influence can happen then you have eliminated the wealth, government or both.
>>24921871classical marxism at least distinguishes between private ownership and private property which includes land, real estate, what would otherwise be public space, and means of production the private ownership of which inherently leads to the private partition of the product and thus social class.
>>24923987The air used to be so rich you could sustain yourself on pure breath.
