>>24923989
what was wrong with his old writing lectures? (mind you I agree they were crap but why does he think so FACT)

>>24923995
i thought they were fine but essentially anything improves with each iteration, that's how refining works

>>24923995
Sanderson's? From my limited understanding he only used popular movie examples like star wars OT, the ones I bothered watching through didn't even have any book examples. Maybe that changed with his 2025 one though.

>>24924037
Sanderson essentially teaches writing from applying a 7 point/STC type paradigm to movies

>>24924037
He explains why he does that in the 2025 series and it’s totally reasonable.

What’s your favorite killer move in Reverend Insanity?
For me, it’s five finger fist heart sword.

>>24924144
none

>>24924144
Six arm heavenly zombie king was op af

are there any occultists testing out their “magics” on WN readers? it seems like the whole WN sphere would attract the kind of people who use meme magic and sigils.

I've finally accepted that Royal Road is first and foremost slop central. It really became apparent recently spotting all the absolute generic drivel that's on Rising Stars. I don't begrudge anyone reading those stories, because people like what they like. It's interesting though that quality really isn't that big a factor on Royal Road.

If anything, it's just a game of advertising what the story could be, and then you rake in ultra positive reviews for the 15 or so chapters you've released. So long as you're generic and appeasing enough to the average Royal Road reader, you'll get glowing five star reviews "best book I've ever read on this site" type hyperbole.

I do wonder if anyone gives a shit about those stories 3 years out from Rising Stars. Interestingly, I think its the authors themselves that give up on their generic series even if there is a fanbase for it that wants more.

>>24924186
>I've finally accepted that Royal Road is first and foremost slop central.
How you ever thought it was something different is genuinely baffling

>>24924186
RR seems to have a big section of readers who just go through RS, read whatever a story already has published and then never come back to it after.
I don't get it at all.

>>24924205
Novelty stimulates more dopamine than waiting three days for a new chapter after the initial dump.

>>24924186
surely that's the only reason you haven't succeeded

well, it looks like the illustrator I commissioned for a cover deleted all our messages and ran with the money.

>>24924264
Chargeback nigga

>>24924273
I'm going to contact him first. Give him the benefit of a doubt. If he ignores me or blocks me I'll report his deviantart, his pixiv, and his paypal, and then chargeback.

>>24924264
If you were dealing with a westoid, totally deserved it

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>>24924043

having delved into the MTL dungeons of chinkslop, i’m starting to notice that a few stories on RR wouldn’t look out of place on twxc or qidian. in fact, i suspect some of the stories on RR to be either plagiarized chinkslop or blatant ripoffs of chinkslop stories which are borderline factory-made for each genre.

am i going schizo? has the 24/7 stream of poorly translated Daoism, folklore, and schizo-maoist thinking finally done in my brain, and that these coincidental similarities are nothing more than the last gasps of a brain drowning in 漢字?

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>readers say they liked today's chapter and jokingly complained about the cliff at the end
More confirmation that I'm doing things right after a year of learning. Cliff hard, cliff relentlessly, Always Be Cliffing! That's how you get patreons!

>>24924180
Aleister Crowley popularized Thelema because his meme magic impressed lots of readers virgins to occultist concepts. It was the cleverest example of fanfiction turned religion in real time

>>24924323
>crowley had gay sex in a desert and it made him sperg out so hard he created a religion to justify it

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>>24924328
>>crowley had gay sex in a desert and it made him sperg out so hard he created a religion to justify it and then a japanese text generation program made a hit book series about it that spawned a dozen manga and anime adaptations that were all wildly successful, among other works
Sasuga

>>24924328
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iY5b4zb_Zk
Strangely that's not even the first time this has happened in history

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>>24924339
>not even the first time
It's Choronzon's fault

>>>24924328
Gay sex is scientifically proven to increase writing output at the cost of dying earlier. See Foucault

>>24924368
gay sex is gay, you gaywad.

>>24924368
I had to read his gay ass in college and would like to never see Foucault again.

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>>24924368
Caffeinemaxxing has the same effect and less side effects.
4k words today, 360mg of caffeine from energy drinks while writing, and then more caffeine before the gym (maybe 160mg).
Tomorrow is a 400mg day, maybe 600 (probably not).

>>24923989
I found the fiction pictures in the op a squandered premise:
>Portal apocalypse with classes
Cool cool
>Time dilation in portals
Also neat
>Mc stumbles across a way to craft his own spells and cultivate
Neato
>Chapter after chapter of sub par combat and side quests
Urgh
>Real world ramifications of mc getting power is him sitting around in his apartment with friends and selectively sharing secrets
Blurgh
> This cycle repeats again
Fug me a river

>>24924180
I'm backlogging several distinct series with the intent for their simultaneous release to form a hypersigil that will create more opportunities for people to have success with off-meta stories.

Why do art scammers always go with "I want to bring your characters to life". I swear, it's a trope of its own at this point. Might as well tell me that to not buy in is to court death.

>>24924516
Those demonic scoundrels are truly shameless. Junior, I will take pity on you. My painting path attainment is great grandmaster! I will offer you a painting for only 1000 immortal essence stones. This price is simply too good! To pass up this opportunity is courting death. Quickly send the payment and I will begin.

Which platform for modern day Urban Fantasy with a male protagonist? No LitRPG or Cultivation but with Progression.

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>>24924553
any sufficiently advanced progression becomes indistinguishable from litrpg TRUTH NUKE

>>24924539
This would be a great introduction to the Sect of The Soul Siphoning Canvas.

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>>24924465
So, exactly what the cabal did with Monster Girl Evolution stories? Which now have their own dedicated tag and a few new fictions every month getting started?

>>24923610
>but in the west you have webnovels assuring you that there are no harem elements within their opening blurb.
this is because there is also a loud community of low iq haremfag readers in the west and if you don't say this in the blurb they will 0.5 star star your novel when the MC learns the name of a third woman without fucking the second one yet

>>24924312
It's pretty easy to differentiate chinese written xianxia from western fanboy xianxia ime, they have a much different perspective and tend to stuff their shit full of third hand meme references from reddit.

>>24924658
correct, read every comment and its 10 people going "is this harem" "where's the harem" "he should fuck her"

>>24924264
Who the fuck pays without at least seeing a sample of the finished work? And if the artist finished the work, he'd have very little reason not to give it and destroy his reputation

>>24924264
he found your problematic posts about reverend insanity

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Is this chink son of a bitch going to stick around to point out what the MC should've done in every chapter now? Not like I will block him for having (very stupid) opinions but everyone else is having a good time and then there's this smartass

>>24924697
fulfill your destiny anon, and isekai him into your WN as the lowest villain who exists to get buckbroken by fhe MC

>>24924718
I felt some satisfaction when the characters brought up the point he mentioned in the previous chapter and talked about how fucking stupid that was. It's not like I addressed it to him specifically, since the chapter was written months ago, but the timing was excellent. But it looks like he missed that

>>24924722
I hate this as a reader that does not follow whatever drama writers have going on or read any comments, but it's obvious sometimes how the story is written that the writer have randomly added context to previous chapters events, which stands out as odd to me. Personally I like a story that is more put together that doesn't change chapter to chapter based on feedback

>>24924733
Of course, arbitrarily changing stuff based on comments is something that should never happen.

>>24924312
Few years back I saw The End of Magic Era plagiarised/poorly rewritten on rr.

>>24924658
>>24924685
I think you are making shit up. I have never seen that.

I really feel like a teacher reading some of these RR stories.
Like I want to mark them all 'you could do better'. A single hour of editing would drastically improve most chapters that I read.

>>24924937
AI really does wonders. I hate how it keeps trying to change my style, add pointless metaphors, or write mic-drop moments, but ignore that and your draft improves so much by its editing pass.

Though, you can tell if someone is letting it take some control. For instance, the current Archmage top #1 RS definitely adds more than the author intended.

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What are your favorite isekai web novels?

The Spectrum of Writing Motivation
I don't write. Daydreaming is sufficient.
I write only for myself. No one will ever see what I've written.
I write for a small group of friends. Only they will see what I've written.
I write to express my thoughts and feelings. Whoever sees it, sees it.
I write to be acknowledged by a fandom. We're a community.
I write to impress my literary peers. We are rivals.
I write to get attention from random strangers on the internet.
I write whatever I want and hope to get money from random strangers.
I write whatever they want and hope to get money from random strangers.
I freely plagiarize from whatever I think will make me the most money.
I don't write. AI churns out slop for me.

The only time an author should listen to readers is if they're being paid to do so. I don't mean paying readers. It's only applicable if they're directly paying you to determine what's being written. Even then you can choose which outcomes you prefer rather than whatever nonsense they come up with. The exception is that if it's someone who is paying a lot for commissioned writing.

>>24924987
I don't really get motivated until I start writing, then I get so many ideas and threads to explore that I just want to keep going.
It's why ideas guys are so worthless, anyone can come up with stuff once they start thinking.

>>24924312
There's several qidian series being translated on RR, some even with the original authors permission.

>>24924987
>poetry
>literary peers
>i don't write
>>/wg/

>>24924264
I could make top covers for anons here just in exchange for "art done by x, check out his RR page" credit on the blurb, but I'm a perfectionist and while I'd deliver one under a week, I would stay up 24/7 on Photoshop. When I publish my story, I'll have more time to attend requests

>>24924697
These rare schizos are the equivalent of HIV superspreaders, by all means lock the chink down, having him give you a revenge 1* rating is less damaging than his relentless bickering and pulling your subconscious down in the long term.

>>24925034
nta
Anyone willing to work for exposure knows that they aren't good enough to work for pay and/or is a complete idiot with severe mental issues.

>>24925066
You are jewish.

>>24925079
You are a retard who should kill himself.

>>24924964
I liked Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear, Reincarnated as a Sword, and Skeleton Knight in Another World. Those are actually enjoyable, nothing else could hold my attention.

>>24925049
I just noticed this same asshat already gave me a 2-star review weeks ago, calling the story ruined, but is still around 20 chapters later, commenting everything within an hour wtf

>>24925157
>Skeleton Knight in Another World
It was great, really great pacing, until skelly's first "major" death when he was killed by the demon council or whatever. I dropped it a bit later when the story kind of took a harem path from there and began adding disjointed arcs with too many characters to keep track of

Where can I find korean webnovels without getting malware

>>24925315
Korea.

To those who are interested in Xianxia recs read below:

The Mirror Legacy - this is THE clan building novel. It’s at the peak of the entire genre along with RI. Only thing you need to know is there is no real main character (disregard the guy in the mirror) and pay close attention to family names, you don’t necessarily need to memorize every character otherwise. The story is about a mortal clan clawing their way into the cultivation world through inter generational sacrifice in a harsh environment where resources are scarce and already hoarded and spoken for by the various ruling factions.

Immortality Through Array Formations - I’m told this is actually peak, up there with RI and ML but I haven’t tried it yet. It’s supposed to be slow with a rare kind hearted MC and apparently he hasn’t even achieved foundation establishment yet even with 1000 chaps or whatever buts it’s supposed to make sense with the way the cultivation system works.

Longevity Simulation - seems pretty good from the little I read, gets a lot of praise I didn’t like the TL I tried and it just recently got picked up by WuxiaWorld so I’m waiting.

I Shall Be Everlasting in the World of Immortals - again I’m Told this is like an ever better Longevity Simulation at least in terms of MC personality type being similarly ruthless and meticulous. Author is slow to release due to issues in his personal life.

Becoming a Talent in the Chusheng Demon Sect (there’s an alternate title floating around) - this one has been popping off lately in terms of popularity. Supposed to have a really strong start but maybe doesn’t live up to the promise? We’ll see.

For “classics” there’s Record of a Mortals Journey which was the trailblazer story that formalized the genre and imo it still holds up pretty well. God of Slaughter is a fun very fast paced evil MC novel from before the censorship crackdown which gets overlooked these days.

Er Gens latest was perhaps his best but the quality takes a nosedive toward the end. It’s an old pattern for him but he’s also dealing with health issues as well. Still Er Gen is an institution and I Shall Seal the Heavens and A Will Eternal make for some fun sloppa too.

There’s RI authors next story Mysteries of Immortal Puppet Master which is that pretty good and only really suffers from the comparison.

I’m told Eternal Sacred King is fun but it’s from a somewhat less trusted source. It does seem to be well regarded in China though.

For EFL slop worth trying there’s Sky Pride, Cultivation Nerd, Journey of the Fate Destroying Emperor, Memories of the Fall, Path of the Berserker and The Undying Immortal System. Also Virtuous Sons, Slumrat Rising and 1% Lifesteal for Western style Cultivation. I find among English novels there’s a huge variability with each story kind of having its own vibe, ideals and goals and so ymmv in terms of what might click for you. But some of this stuff is actually pretty cool imo.

>>24924633
Weren't they gonna start dropping a whole shitload of deckbuilders in December? Haven't really seen any yet.

>>24925408
The 10 people that read deckbuilders would have been spread too thin; it was bound to fail.

>>24925339
Fate Destroying Emperor is EFL? Huh.

>>24925408
>>24925419
I believe it's planned for January. The Immersive Ink discord is open, I believe, so someone willing to sully their computer with discord spyware can check.

>wake up
>read chappie
>have a melty
>it's so bad I re-read half a dozen chapters and write a giant comment about all the problems with how the arc was written
If anyone was going to give Selkie a chance with Song of the Gift-Giver, don't. The entire thing is written at the level of the worst chapters of BTDEM. It's honestly surprising, and Selkie's beta readers and editors failed him tremendously.

>>24925435
I may have discord installed, but I'm pretty sure joining a server of these grifting bugmen and furfags pollutes your mind somehow

>>24925435
do people seriously not just use discord in browser?

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>>24925500
I hate discord because it's just mini faggot cliques: the platform (attached a comment begging to join in kek), but I fetched it up. Apparently this launchapalooza is dumping less than 48 hours from now.

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>>24925539
I'm 99% certain the site doesn't work with javascript blocked.

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>>24925566
Also the official announcement says at least 13 confirmed fics but this appears to be the potentially full list

>>24925579
Man, I'm not really that bothered about RS but I'm gonna have to just wait this out.
It'll be even worse if they do a staggered release instead of the spam that the monstergirls did lol.
Funny that there's only maybe 4 of these that I'd consider trying from the blurbs

>Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear
god I am fucking old

It's a bunch of nobodies. My prediction is that none of them even hit RS. I think this is going to be a total flop.

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>>24925566
>>24925579
>I'm about to get booted out of RS by these fags right when I started to climb up on it

>>24925596
monster girls were pretty much nobodies

>>24925594
The romanized title looks fucking retarded, but in Japanese, it's at least spelled in 4 different ways.

>>24925598
more than two thirds of them were like 5000+ follower prior stories, what are you talking about. it wasn't fucking zogarth on an alt sure but they were big authors

>>24925579
half of these are completely grab bag premises by the sound of it

>>24925593
>Funny that there's only maybe 4 of these that I'd consider trying from the blurbs
Imagine if all those fics that would normally just get to 80 followers and then grind down to a halt grouped up together in a Slopsunami. The detective deckbuilder is the only one that pitched me, other than that, owl's bastard if rating based on title alone.

>>24925596
>My prediction is that none of them even hit RS.
That would be extremely surprising to me. It's not that difficult to hit Rising Stars when you're writing to market and releasing with a proper strategy, never mind colluding with dozens of other people to circlejerk your way up.
The issue is getting a real following, meaning hitting front page on the low end. There are good odds that doesn't happen for any of them. Depends on quality and I don't know most of those authors.

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Story I identified as written by AI got removed from RR

>>24925339
what is EFL

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>>24925610
Here's a (You) issued as the bounty reward

>>24925609
Yeah, shoutout swapping basically guarantees they'll hit at least some niche RS list.
>>24925613
They mean written in english, presumably english as a first language for EFL like ESL

>>24925626
>Yeah, shoutout swapping basically guarantees they'll hit at least some niche RS list.
I think it guarantees at least a number of them low end main rising stars, that only takes ~250 followers and lots of them are going to run ads and get absurd amounts of shout outs. Even if they weren't colluding, statistically speaking they would have good odds since so many are launching and playing the meta.
When I said front page, I meant RR's front page. Top 7 RS main. I don't think any of them will hit that, which is the benchmark for actual low level success (at least to me).

>>24925645
Some will definitely hit that spot, but I'd wager they'll be major fics from popular authors who colluded to get this event started. They will get their audience to stick to them while ditching out their smaller genre-siblings pretty much akin to the monster girl shenanigans.

>>24925645
idk frontpage is full of absolute derivative shit lately. I can see these catching on, several will be planned enough to have lots of chapters and have actually been edited.

Didn't the monster girls get like 8 of the top 10 slots?

>>24925657
Collusion helps get a few hundred followers at most, after that you need a story that sloppers will slurp up. I don't have faith that these colluders actually know how to write engaging slop, so I fully expect all of them to die somewhere around the middle of the rising stars page.
The monster evo girls were a unique phenomenon. Almost all of them had already found moderate to major success on RoyalRoad and ran that whole thing as a joke. I don't think it will ever be replicated.

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The new chapter of FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist' is out!!!
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/fff-class-unlucky-antagonist-villains-origin-story/chapter/2819091/ego-witch-part-five

This chapter: Carmen, the 'Ego Witch,' shows her powers!!!

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>>24925749
MORE THAN 900 PAGES AND MORE THAN 250K WORDS WRITTEN(If you count the info-pics).
These are such high numbers. I can't believe it!

>>24925754
Congrats

any anon wnovelists with patreons have advice or basic precepts for setting up a patreon for writing?

>>24925838
Yeah I can write something up in a few hours, gotta eat lunch and deal with some other stuff first.

>>24925838
sell at least a month's worth of chapters. Plug it in every author's note

>>24925844
what would be considered a month’s worth for an average slop reader?

as a reader my reading speed for maximum retention is similar to most people’s skimming speeds, ie., i can read probably 200 chapters of western writing a month and still reasonably remember most of said story. i do not necessarily wish to write 200 chapters a month, however.

>>24925838
Sure.

1. The main thing you should be offering patrons is advance chapters. Other benefits are nice but that's not why your followers are there, and those other benefits aren't really worth all that much anyway. How many advance chapters depends on you, but remember to keep a backlog of unpublished chapters just in case something happens beyond the one you've got on Patreon. Personally I'm going with 15 advance chapters for $10, no additional tiers or benefits. It works and frankly I might be on the cheaper end.

2. Don't obsess over every single person subbing. It happens frequently enough that they throw some money at you to read advance chapters and then unsub. You've got their money anyway and the bulk of readers keep their sub open, in my experience. It's tempting to want to crash out when a bunch of people leave all at once but don't.

3. Patreon will always take its cut. Depending on the currency you're using that might be a larger cut. Always keep in mind that the money you're seeing Patreon announce on the dashboard is not the money that you'll actually be getting. You'll be required to fill in tax information before you can get any actual cash and for the first payment they'll hold it back for a bit. Do some research on the options you get for paying out, because it could save you a couple of percent in fees every month.

4. Put the link to your Patreon in your RR signature, announce it if you're opening a new Patreon on a story that's already been launched beforehand. Definitely go to your dashboard, click open "settings", then "donations", and fill in your Patreon URL. Paypal too, maybe, just to be certain. If the links don't take (the page reloads with them still empty after submitting) try pasting in the links Patreon gives you to share. Mine is in the form https://patreon.com/YOUR_NAME_HERE?utm_medium=unknown&utm_source=join_link&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&utm_content=copyLink

>>24925838
>for setting up a patreon for writing?
Literally just copy what everyone else is doing, do NOT reinvent the wheel because you think you're smarter than them

So go pull up Zogarth's and copy him 1:1

>>24925858
>what would be considered a month’s worth for an average slop reader?
I mean a month's worth of your release schedule
If you plan to publish 2 chapters a week patreon needs to at least be 8 ahead.

>>24925861
15 advance chapters for $10? How much is that? Would 16 be a month's worth of releases, as in 4 per week? Is that 15 * 2,500 words, so 37,500 words, which is 136 pages. That reminds me of the complaints about Martha Well's Murderbot series. That's $40 for 544 pages if they stay subbed for 4 months. Definitely not a good deal for them.

>>24925906
>So go pull up Zogarth's and copy him 1:1
$10 for 50 chapters.

>I might be on the cheaper end.
>15 advance chapters for $10,
lol

>>24926005
>chapter inflation
how does zogarth even write

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>>24924964
for me it's kumokko

>>24926034
It's just routine. Get up, spam out some chapters that you don't care about, run them through grammarly and then put them in the post pile.

Discovered I get the exact same joy out of writing progression stuff as I do from reading it.
I've left so much time and money on the table lol.

>>24926081
No you haven't.

>>24926005
Zogarth might have been a bad example since he's been increasing his backlog forever
Point being go look at what success stories do and imitate them, I've seen some people just make up their own idea of what's best in so many retarded ways

>>24926086
btfo again and again, yet you continue on! resilent

>>24925842
How to do Patreon as a /wng/er

1. Write a story
Ideally on meta, but consistent posting will build an audience as readers find your work. Ads and shoutouts help, but the Royal Road recommendation algorithm also does some work, especially once you have a number of followers and favorites. You start getting recommended alongside similar works, on their fiction page.
The goal is to then convert RoyalRoad (or other site) free readers to Patreon.
You should be using hooks and cliffs at the end of chapters to induce free readers to click next chapter right away, and when they reach the end, to check out your patreon.

2. Create a Patreon
A. The basic strategy is that you're selling early chapters to readers who are willing to pay monthly.
i. You can also sell ebooks on patreon, and you get a better revenue cut than Amazon.
B. Different authors sell different numbers of early chapters. The cost per chapter varies widely, but personally I think this depends more on what kind of backlog you as the author can maintain. Zogarth is selling 50 chapters ahead for $10, but if you don't have fifty chapters in the backlog, you can't maintain that anyway, so there's no point in worrying about it. Personally I sell up to ten* chapters ahead for $10/month.
C. Some authors also include polls, discord, fanart, etc for different tiers. I can see how discord access would help with retaining patreons, but I don't think this is necessary, and then you have to manage a bunch of parasocials. It's not free money.

1/2

>>24926092
i was btfo somewhere? what

>>24926130
3. Determine your Patreon tiers
You can have one, you can have a bunch, people find success with anything. It matters more on your story's quality and ability to hook readers than having the "correct" tiers. However, I will give some advice.
A. Have multiple tiers, enabling people to choose an amount of content and price that's right for them. Have a cheap, minimalist tier that gets basically nothing, but costs maybe $1. Some people want to chip in, and the option costs you nothing but a moment to set up. Also have a larger tier, beyond just your maximum content tier, in case someone's a super fan and wants to contribute more for nothing extra on your part: this is also free to you, and captures friendly whales.
B. In the middle, you should have several levels. I have a $5/5 chapter tier, and a $10/10 chapter tier. A number of people sign up as free, then do the $5 tier to try it out, and then within an hour (after reading all the chapters they have access to), moved up to the $10 tier.
C. Free member content. I don't advertise this, but free members on patreon are 1 chapter ahead of free readers on other sites. This is a secret, almost an easter egg, that I do not acknowledge, and I think it makes the people who find it feel smart, like they're ahead of the game. They are now patreon regulars, one step away from paying. If they never do, that's fine too. The paid tiers are then actually one extra chapter ahead of Royal Road more than advertised. This also gives me the option, if for some reason I run out of backlog, or am late with an upload, to be behind normal and still be meeting the terms of the agreement. It's a secret buffer. I recommend offering free member content.
D. Bonus patreon exclusive content. I recommend having some of this, and maybe a tier that includes all the bonus content. My "whale" tier is $15, which is 10 chapters ahead of free but includes all the side stories (effectively an entire extra novel for me). A few people sign up for it, but I don't advertise it much, and eventually that content will be bundled as another novel and I can put it up on KU without having to stub anywhere.
E. Summary: My patreon has five levels: free (1 chapter ahead of RR), $1 (nothing extra), $5/5chapters, $10/10chapters, $15/10 regular chapters, dozens of bonus chapters. I'm considering adding a $20 tier with the same content as $15.

2/3

>>24926133
4. Ways to mess this up
A. Write a bad story that's not popular with readers: I have roughly a 5% conversion rate of RR followers to Patreon paid members, universally in the $10 and $15 tiers. But free and $5 tiers do upgrade, so they're worth having. The more RR followers you have, the more conversions you will have. Always Be Cliffing. Stay On Meta.
B. Run out of backlog: How many times you upload per week is related to your writing speed. I release three chapters per week of the main story, and two chapters of bonus content per week. I usually write one or two chapters a day, every day, so my backlog grows slightly each week. This allows me to take days off if necessary. Make sure you pick a release schedule that you can sustain, because hiaituses and inconsistent uploads harm reader retention on RR, and is a betrayal of paying customers on patreon. Some authors have regularly scheduled hiaitus weeks where they work ahead and don't release, just communicate that ahead of time and be clear about it.
C. Failing to shill: always be shilling reading ahead on patreon. Go look at other big patreon successes and look at their RR chapters. They have the patreon link set up on RR, and their author endnotes always include a link to Patreon and a bit about what you get on patreon. Some even have pictures or AI gifs advertising it.

3/3

What do my /wng/ers think? What am I missing in this patreon guide?
Actually shit I forgot to talk about collections and tags

>>24926136

5. Content sorting. Patreon doesn't sort content well by default like RR does. Be consistent in titles and chapter numbering to make it easy for people to pick out the next chapter. Adding links to the next chapter in sequence is nice, but time consuming as fuck. I don't think it's worth it. Instead, use the tagging system, and USE COLLECTIONS. Create a collection for a fiction, and bundle all the chapters in there. I believe they sort alphabetically, so if you're consistent with your chapter numbering, and use leading zeros (ie, chapter 01, 02, etc), it's better than relying on tags and the ability of your readers to sensibly pull out the content they want. Include the title of the work in the post title if you have multiple stories on the same patreon. I don't know of any way to batch rename post titles on Patreon, so better to get it right the first time.

4/4

>>24926130
>>24926133
>>24926136
>>24926140
make a tl:dr because I ain't reading allat

>>24926130
$1 per chapter? How long are these chapters?

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>>24926156
No

>>24926169
I started at about 1000-1500 words per chapter, but realized around chapter 80 or 90 that readers preferred longer chapters, so I started doing between 2k and 2.5k word chapters. My writing capacity also improved during that time so I could write one 2k chapter per day consistently, and after a while of that, I worked my way up to two chapters a day, between 4k and 5k words total.

My readership improved noticeably when I started doing longer chapters, but I never get any comments as new readers come in about early chapters feeling short, and later chapters being longer. It's probably something more noticeable to readers who are reading each release as it comes out, and then have to wait cliffed until the next release day.

>>24926170
Should we include this in the OP?

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>>24925339
>I Shall Be Everlasting in the World of Immortals - again I’m Told this is like an ever better Longevity Simulation at least in terms of MC personality type being similarly ruthless and meticulous. Author is slow to release due to issues in his personal life.
I've been reading this one. Liking it so far although there's been a few times where he pulls random reincarnator cheat powers out of his ass like suddenly calling on the aura of his past life identity to intimidate someone. It would be better if it didn't have that kinda and his only cheat was the Ancient Evergreen cultivation manual + past life knowledge.
pic unrelated I just thought this page was funny

>>24926193
Anyone can use it for whatever. I deny all ownership and authorship of it under any name except Anonymous.
Personally I think it could use a bit of improvement, especially if someone has hard data to back up certain points. Some people say you have to sell a full month's worth of content, but I only sell just underneath that (11 chapters ahead of RR, releases 3x weekly. Now that Patreon charges on the monthiversary of signing up, rather than the beginning of the month, I've never experienced anyone playing games with cancelling and resubbing trying to save a few shekels.

>>24925339
>Immortality Through Array Formations
Garbage. If I didn't know I'd think this was western rr slop pretending to be a Chinese novel.

>>24925579
>otome litrpg
where are my melpochads at

>>24926203
>Some people say you have to sell a full month's worth of content, but I only sell just underneath that (11 chapters ahead of RR, releases 3x weekly. Now that Patreon charges on the monthiversary of signing up, rather than the beginning of the month, I've never experienced anyone playing games with cancelling and resubbing trying to save a few shekels.
It just makes logical sense that a bigger backlog is more enticing for a potential subscriber.
Some VERY big authors have funky patreon setups but that doesn't mean it's the best way. What ultimately determines conversion is how addicting the story is

If there was going to a patreon guide in the OP I do think it should just cover the basics, which you can do in like a paragraph. Must include advance chapters, recommend having a 1, 5, 10, 20$ tier (with the same logic you laid out, said concisely). But even just a single 10$ tier works, #1 importance is advance chapters and proper pricing (don't sell yourself short like beware of chicken for example, silly 3$ tier ass author). Discord and etc optional and not a big driver of subs, but can help. Cliffhangers help conversion for obvious reasons.

That's all a noob needs to know desu

>>24926198
I dropped it, I don't even remember the reason for dropping it, I think it was because it got stale and boring, and as far as I remember it was never very fun or exciting in the first place. Definitely much much worse than Longevity simulator.

>>24925579
This shit is so fucking funny because there's not even a theme. Evo girl readers converted between them, at least. This shit is the exact same as launching on any other date except now you've launched in a much busier month than normal
It's not like these tards aren't already shouting themselves out with their botnet already, this strategy adds nothing, and undoubtedly hurts because there's so many of them and only so many rising stars spots. Some of them might've made it normally but won't on The Clogged Month Event
Tards

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listening to brando sando and getting mad at his poor story theory, I need to write a book and become successful so I can teach a better class

>>24926222
I could definitely see getting annoyed with the story when people ask "hey we're gonna go on an adventure to slay a ghost / find an ancient treasure / bring an evil cultivator to justice / fight with our rival clan over the spirit mine, wanna come" and he just goes "nope, in this life i will be slow and steady like a fucking tree and not take any risks". Though so far there's plenty of plot that comes to him.

>>24926235
just out of curiosity which parts do you disagree with that much?

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>>24926235
>listening to brando sando
I spotted your problem Anya

>>24926246
He identifies the midpoint in ANH as the scene where the Falcon is captured by the Death Star. Absolutely wrong. Act 2A (and I prefer using the 4 act nomenclature) is all about forward agency with some hiccups. They're captured but IMMEDIATELY have a plan to escape the search that goes off without a hitch. They find the computer and DECIDE to rescue Leia. The midpoint of ANH is when they flee into the trash compactor. Every scene after that until they get to Yavin is a reactive scene (trying to escape, being herded, etc.)

>>24926224
Your equation is missing the discord fuckery involved. It's one big masturbation session for everyone involved because beyond RR they also get access to their event's private channels & chatrooms, getting to show their special tags, and actively cajoling ringleaders for endorsements. It's more of a bondage club jogging the streets of Munich at midnight than a comprehensive takeover plan

>>24926260
>It's one big masturbation session for everyone involved because beyond RR they also get access to their event's private channels & chatrooms, getting to show their special tags, and actively cajoling ringleaders for endorsements. It's more of a bondage club jogging the streets of Munich at midnight than a comprehensive takeover plan
but this is their standard operating procedure. they've already assimilated into a botnet, they can get their shoutouts already, why are they spamming a single month? there is no theme to improve conversion so it hurts not helps

>>24926266
>month
They're staggering releases, this'll be going on well into feb

>>24926271
Forreal? That's even worse lmao. Nobody gives a shit about deckbuilders.

>>24926271
what
no theme. staggered releases. this isn't even an event
it's just posting their stories
wtf?

>>24926280
they're staggering because RR bollocked them after the monster girl stuff and made it clear that they can't just spam out any future release event all at once because so many users were pissed and moaning on the forums

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>>24926271
The releases added after the first month will have peripheral results, to the point that their shoutouts will benefit older stories that fell off more than they could be boosted in return. Now that I think of it, the whole thing's looking like an exotic algorithm Ponzi scheme

>>24926285
Am I remembering things correctly? I distinctly remember RR going to bat for the monster girl niggers and even pinning a thread over it. I thought they okayed this shit?

>>24926301
RR admins definitely said there was nothing wrong with the evo girl launch, knew about it beforehand and stood by them after the fallout too

People are maliciously tagging stories as stubbed to push them down the rankings lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/royalroad/comments/1pdqjbx/someone_keeps_stubbing_my_story/

(I've read this one, it's actually okay even if the title is misleading as fuck)

>>24926339
I don't know, nobody else seems to have related to OP's issue, but they did point out that his chapter namings make it look like the fiction was a stub:
>§000-001 Death Of A Legend
>I bet someone is reading that § as a 5.
>Makes it look like volumes 1-4 are gone and you start on volume 5.
This could be an isolated incident, but someone certainly reported him to take advantage of this blunder. Another reminder to not name your chapters with extraneous symbols

>>24926339
this is just some reddit schizo
another person can't stub your story. MAYBE admins can but more likely it's a retard being a retard.

>>24926339
You just fell for a viral marketing ad btw
To be fair it was pretty clever. Lots of engagement

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>>24926363
>MAYBE admins can
Okay so you agree, thanks

>When he defies all odds and wakes up, he discovers that his body is ruined, his lifeline is fading, but he also has something unlike any power on the planet growing inside him.
>Other aspiring superheroes have an entire lifetime head start on him because they were gifted their powers by genetic birthright and luck.
which one of you wrote this shit

>>24924186
I realized RR is shit many years ago, when I saw a self insert power fantasy getting top reviews.

>>24926417
why aren't you in /wg/
stop infesting us

>>24926417
you mean that ghost in the city story

>>24924964
Overlord

>>24926170
need more details on how to write a story

what’s a good arc to serve as a break from wilderness survival for my in-progress fantasy autism tier survival WN?

>Gets conscripted into a lord/petty king’s warband and fights in border skirmishes, revealing the broader countryside to the MC
>MC goes on an pilgrimage to a Temple to try and get something fixed, goes through essentially the Western Fantasy equivalent of the Canterbury Tales
>MC decides to buy several magical reagents or a new spellbook, and has to travel 200 miles on foot over rough, wilderness terrain to get to the most advanced city in his area

>>24926424
gitc will keep succeeding because it has arcs that only last a few chapters and constantly keeps things moving onto new events and plot hooks and people will keep wondering why it's outperforming their favourite grimdark story that has better technical writing but is also on chapter 100 of the 2nd part of their first war arc

>>24926442
All sound bad and context is needed to rank them. Why add filler? It makes stories worse unless they're awful already.

>>24926442
Get your mc stranded in a place where he'll be forced to wagie his way out

>>24926461
/wg/ tards really do so grossly overvalue technical competence over storytelling

>>24926461
This is called brainwashing

>>24926471
>comma placement matters more than engaging story
you are actually doomed

>>24926422
She's right though, if you don't write self insert power fantasy you have to acknowledge you'll be fighting a uphill battle on a shit platform because its major audience are powertripping nerds

>>24926461
I fell off after a few dozen chapters just from personal taste, but it had a much better opening than most of the drivel that makes rising stars. I spent years ignoring that thing out of spite since it was si

>>24926479
we want power fantasy you moron, that's why im saying get out of my thread

>>24926480
Yeah even if you like it the writing is super millenial tumblr/reddit in tone but hey that's an actual tone and not the usual RR stuff
>>24926479
Just write a power fantasy where the protagonist never gets into a situation where they can actually grind and accumulate power.

>>24926483
>>>r/progressionfantasy

>>24926424
No, never heard of this.

>>24926422
Why do you defend power fantasy? It cannot be enjoyed by anyone who thinks while reading, has an imagination, or is not a loser.

/wg/ers getting awfully uppity

>>24924964
Saga of Tanya the Evil is the only one I've bothered reading, it's what got me into writing my own webnovel. I started buying them physically after 9 volumes, but I stopped reading at vol12 because carlos zen evidently has no idea how to advance the plot and there's a review on amazon for 13-14 that even points this out, so I stopped bothering with reading it after 12. Apparently season 2 is finally coming out in 2026 and from the sounds of it it's going to adapt all the way to vol11, so excited to see it again. Watched along with a few friends who didnt see it before dubbed sadly and it was still a fun watch.

ArcaneCadence has called and he wants his paypigggies to do the needful

>>24926363
what the hell is a stub?

>>24926500
KU has an exclusivity deal so if you take your RR story to KU you have to remove chapters leaving a "stub" behind (usually like the first 3 chapters or similar as an advert)

>>24926494
Tanya's concept had all it needed to develop into something as popular as SNK at the time. But yeah, the author never really put much thought into the war's speculative history and left the audience to guess everything, doubly so for the anime. I'm waiting for S2 so I can resell a tanya nendoroid I scalped for thrice the price.

>>24925157
>Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear
Comfy and endearing
>Reincarnated as a Sword
There is no such thing as too many catgirl autist protags. Actually I think I just have a thing for cute girl autist protagonists

I love KKKB which is literally just OP protag pisses about doing slice of life stuff with her friends and pseudo-siblings but every single LN I've read since that mentions something like "easygoing life" has been absolute dogshit.

>>24926531
KKKB?

>>24926542
bbbk in english

>yes i belong in wng
>no i don't like web novels, but i failed in tradpub and desperately need somewhere to belong
>well i killed my other thread, so

>>24926548
Bigger Better Burger King?

>>24926542
look up one most motherfucker

>>24926505
What is KU? I am very new

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>>24926584
kindle unlimited. pays more than what you make on patreon apparently but you need an audience to get anywhere on it so people publish to RR to build a name and then move their stories there

>>24926584
that's not even being new to web novels that's being new to reading
Kindle Unlimited. It's a flat fee where you subscribe and can read like 60% of books on amazon for free. Authors get paid per page read.
The big slop genres like romance and litrpg have like 95+% of the catalog on KU

litrpg really is the romance equivalent for men if you think about it

>>24926598
I assumed most of KU would be erotica. I remember that one US congressman got caught making big foot erotica.

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There's one thing that differentiates the popular all-time high Webnovels from the rest of the basket, and this is how far their authors applied Color Theory. I sure hope you did your research on hue geometry before publishing your fiction, anon. It's the make or break of your career.

>>24926344
>>I bet someone is reading that § as a 5.
what the fuck? this makes no sense

>>24926611
Erotica is probably a big portion since women love their smut, but it's not 'most.' Even if erotica tends to just be short stories at like 50 pages, and thus overrepresented when considering total titles.
KU is enormous, basically all of the genres that people are actually reading have a big presence on KU. Because avid readers want a lot of shit to read, and KU fulfills that desire. Infinite reading for a flat fee. The total stranglehold Amazon has on the market means almost all of the authors and readers are there.
The only shit that sells and isn't on KU is literature and some popular edge cases that doesn't need to demean themselves like that

>>24926516
>There is no such thing as too many catgirl autist protags. Actually I think I just have a thing for cute girl autist protagonists
oh yeah? name 5

>>24926495
That dumb whore's patreon is finally going down
The world is healing
How the fuck did it do so well in the first place? I actually don't understand

>>24926604
Of course it is. Both appeal to the deep desires of their demographics.
Romance: Yes, you CAN find the perfect man who dotes on you hand and foot just for being you. Here's a plethora of flavors of men for you to peruse.
LitRPG: Yes, you CAN get the power to impose your will on the world! Hard work? That's optional. Here's a plethora of flavors of improvement for you to peruse.

I'm going to write a Korean Dungeon-on-Earth/hunterslop story.
Give me some ideas to distinguish myself from the pack.

>>24926874
Make the dungeons emerge out of people in the deepest state of despair. Have the MC (who will obviously be a very weak hunter) be betrayed and nearly turn into a dungeon, but reel himself back in at the last second (Can be to be there for a family member, a desire to keep control to get revenge, etc). Now the MC is half dungeon and can spawn monsters that obey him.

oh the reason i couldn't find anywhere besides wuxiaworld to read mirror legacy is because the pirate sites all got dmca'd out of google results. i got it from the dmca complaint at least
i'm too used to downloading epubs i forgot that there were a bunch of web novel pirate sites that just rehost them on their own web page

>>24925339
>Eternal Sacred King
I just finished reading this today. As most of these go the quality takes a sharp decline as it goes on. I skimmed the last 200 chapters because I just wanted to be done with it. I wouldn't waste your time reading it. I enjoyed the first 800~ chapters but it got really samey and boring as time went on. It gets to the point where most fights are just Su Zimo throwing out a single punch and destroying whatever attack the worthless fodder character had just used. He's overpowered as shit throughout almost the entire story in a really boring way.

>>24926874
instead of his mom having animeitis, it's his dad who's ill and his mom who's missing

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Webnovels with yanderes that are obsessed with the MC?

>>24926567
Big Bad Beetle Koons

>>24926646
NTA but: Tomori, Bocchi, Nadeshiko, Tomoko, Yui.

>>24926629
Anon you're STILL overestimating the intelligence of readers on RR.

>>24926971
Not cats...

>>24926516
TenKen gets also bonus points for being a web novel that was actually COMPLETED and didn't drag itself to death.

>>24926531
It helps that the characters are all really nice and they actively do fun stuff to enjoy life and explore the world. While most other slow life series seem to treat doing absolutely nothing, going nowhere, and just endlessly introducing new waifus as the peak of existence.

>>24926500
>what the hell is a stub?
>>24926584
>What is KU?
Oh look, another neptunian clone was released from cryosleep

>>24923989

>>24926041
This is what progression fantasy litrpgs aspire to be but fail. The system is the best out there, if only for its simplicity.

>>24927066
It's the exact same "I stepped on a lego -> SUPREME PAIN TOLERANCE UNLOCKED" system everyone has

>>24927068
Yes, but there are no bullshit classes like "xX_ashen protector of the fallen one_Xx". Just skills, levelling, and clearcut progression.

>>24926965
My webnovel has a yandere. I wont start posting until 2026, though.

>>24927073
No, having no roles or limitations just makes it a boring mess ruined by powercreep that turns the MC into an untouchable god (literally). The same amateur issues like every other similar web novel from east, west, and everywhere in the middle

>>24927076
Name 1 (one) litrpg that is more fun than kumoko

>>24927077
The writing style in kumoko is so atrociously annoying too, I'd rather read literally any litrpg now on RS than attempt that again

>>24927080
Didn't even manage to say one lmao. Cmon, name it.

>>24926965
they're pretty prevalent in the Korean scene
e.g. The Freed Slaves Are Obsessed With Me, Fated to be Loved by Villains, the Main Heroines are Trying to Kill Me (probably...), I know there's one in I'm Not A Regressor / Not A Regressor after a few arcs...

>>24926491
It's finally dawning on them that nobody will ever read anything they write even if they try to disguise it as web novel slop.

>>24927081
The Greatest Archmage To Have Ever Lived [OP MC, LitRPG]. Beats Kumoko 100-0. Are you satisfied, retard?

>>24927105
No, because you obviously have given a copout answer you don't even believe. And the fact that the fiction you mentioned is sloppy with AI means that you haven't even read it. Are you so afraid of telling us what you like, anon? In an anonymous forum?

>>24927108
Oh fuck, it was you. Every time someone has fucking retarded takes in these threads, it's this schizo

>>24927110
Still deflecting, huh?

C'mon. Name 1 Web novel litrpg you liked. One that has more than 15 chapters. I would have let you say DCC, but not anymore. Bare your soul to us.

Where do I go if I want to read/write webnovel smut? Not fanfics or the kind of short stories you find everyone on KU, but like an actual webnovel with a proper plot that also has smut, maybe 50-50 or weighted more towards plot?

Scribblehub exists but all the top smut has shitty grammar and the comments sperg if there's anything less vanilla than handholding and monogamy.

>>24926965
my webnovel's protagonist is a yandere

>>24927151
Literotica or Storiesonline

>>24927151
you're either getting massive reach or high quality control, not both

>>24927151
Ao3 let's you get away with literally anything

>>24927223
It just seems far too focused on LGBTQIAXYZ fan fiction.

>>24926222
I dropped it because the MC is omnipotent, he gets whatever powers the author needs him to have to solve a situation the way he wants. There is zero tension in the story

>>24927234
I don't know what the hell else you expected from these simulation stories.

>>24926209
Huh, what's wrong with it?

>>24927239
I was taking about I Shall Be Everlasting in the World of Immortals, I can't stand simulation shit

biggest thing I'm struggling with in terms of writing is deciding what's a chapter.
I keep reaching natural stopping points in scenes like 1500 words in and idk if I should just stop there and start a new one or make the next scene also part of the chapter.
I can't find a natural rhythm for when one ends and the next begins

>>24927249
A (real) chapter ends when the mini-arc that it represents is finished. A webnovel can take that mini-arc and cut up chapters whenever there is either a small stopping point, or you can easily create a cliffhanger out of it.

>>24927249
>I keep reaching natural stopping points in scenes like 1500 words in
That's completely fine for 1 chapter. I'm sure you can find parts in it to flesh out better, which quickly takes it to 2k and then it's already too long to stick another similar scene to it.

>>24927240
I think when he moved to the city and got involved with some female it stopped being about cultivation and adventure and devolved into drama.

>>24927315
I'm reading it right now and quite enjoying it, will see if that is the case

Web novel readers would rather defend some random author's lack of AI use to the death rather than admit that the story they have enjoyed has been assisted by it.

>>24927492
It's Post-Purchase Rationalization except with time invested instead of money spent.

>>24925610
Great now you brought this fag here
>>24927492

>>24925610
whomst?

Every day on recent releases list, I see a shit ton of works dumping chapters 1-10, but hardly any updates past chapter 20. Like 90% of authors just give up if they don't get a million followers on day one, huh

>>24927541
Writing is a lot of effort if you have no audience to share it with. Also, it's better to relaunch than to just keep trying.

>>24927541
Lots of kids think that it's easy money to just shit out chapters you don't care about and then stick up a patreon.
Eventually most of them realize that writing something you don't care about fucking sucks.

>>24927108
>And the fact that the fiction you mentioned is sloppy with AI means that you haven't even read it.
Out of curiosity I just went and read half of chapter 1
It's definitely not written with AI. Or rather, if it is, it's been edited/prompted in such a way the prose isn't like any of the default chatbots. It has genuinely 0 of the tells and I was scrutinizing it closely and pretty sensitive to AI slop.
It seems like normal prose.

>>24927638
It's not 'written' by AI, it's assisted by it. It's very subtle, but it has some tells across the chapters. You're likely not going to see it in chapter 1, but will notice it through some repeated subtle trends across the chapters.

>>24927645
Subtle trends like what?

>>24927657
triplets, imaginative but out-of-left-field metaphors/similes, em-dash abuse, and well, uncharacteristically good grammar and sentence/paragraph structure for a first time author.

>>24927666
>uncharacteristically good grammar and sentence/paragraph structure for a first time author.
eh. The rest of it's indicators but there's so many grammar checkers out there now that the only reason not to have this is laziness.

>>24927129
NTA but even faggy shit like Epic of Vampire is better than Kumoko

>>24927645
Nta but I just scanned the latest chapter and it was >50% flagged by multiple detectors. The overly static narrative sentences seem to be the passages getting highlighted the most. Honestly these genres are slopfiestas so it's par for the course they'd be taken over by illiterates backed by cheap text refineries

>>24927678
>50% is pretty egregious, but to be fair, those checkers light up if they see an adjective or a semicolon.

man, I tried avoiding the greentext by putting a space but it still went through

>>24927678
detectors are absolutely worthless anon
they light up on guaranteed human written works
at least >>24927666 has some reasoning

>>24927541
People who have never worked with schedules have trouble maintaining a schedule

>>24927151
literotica and scribblehub

>>24927068
Yeah the MC is a blatant OP cheat but it's just fun and a lot better executed than most of the number go up slop on RS
plus skill evolutions are a lot more satisfying than leveling up from 2057 to 2058.

>>24927151
>the [scribblehub] comments sperg if there's anything less vanilla than handholding and monogamy.
what? if you sort by top rated there's a bunch of shit with futa slime rape mind control
but yes scribblehub or ao3

Damn, Archmage getting lit up in the comments of the last two chapters. I don't get how this is the most egregious stra- oh it involves the main character making a mistake that isn't just using too much power or being too cool, I see

>>24927785
It's the downside of catering to the power fantasy audience. Draws in the illiterates and the crazies at higher rates than basically anything other than xianxia

>>24927785
Man, if I became a millionaire over one summer, I wouldn't give a single flying fuck about the comments. I'd make AI read out a compilation of the saltiest rants in the voice of Morgan Freeman, while drinking Hennessy and beating out the next chapter with my left hand.

>>24927151
>Scribblehub exists but all the top smut has shitty grammar and the comments sperg if there's anything less vanilla than handholding and monogamy.
how did you even form such an incorrect picture of that website? you couldn't be more wrong if you tried, crazy
reminds me of that one guy who kept insisting harem was huge on royalroad.

>>24927809
30k a month is a lot of money but it'll take years at that rate to be a millionaire, esp. with taxes. It's not even top 1% income (which is ~730,000$/y)

>>24927814
No real difference if it's 30,000 or 300,000, or 3,000,0000. I couldn't spend that much money in a month even if I really tried.

>>24927809
Dealing with a horde of retards with no media literacy complaining about your story would be mentally exhausting no matter what income level you're earning. People don't get into writing because they're completely detached from their story, even sloplords want people to like and enjoy their work and will be affected by negativity.

>>24927811
>me getting introduce to strange kinks just by browsing my favorite non-smut tag on scribblehub

>>24927818
>I couldn't spend that much money in a month even if I really tried.
Statistically like 1 in 50 people (in the US) make that kind of money. Random engineers make that much. It's a lot of money but it's really not mind boggling luxury money. Are you not from the US?

>>24927818
I could easily spend 30k in one month

>>24927835
It's half of a lower upper end car. A few cross atlantic first class flight tickets. 1/20th of a nice house.
I could spend 30,000k in a month, very easily, and without even wasting it on dumb shit but just normal stuff normal people want

>>24927825
These people are affected because they're narcissistic and endlessly greedy and have flat out 0 self-esteem. They can have 1000 people tell them how amazing their story is, but completely lose it when 1 guy says it's gone to shit. It's the same phenomenon as with twitter artists, who have like 4 million followers and every post gets 100k retweets and they still have a meltdown every other day because "omg I have search suggestion ban, new people can't find my work, I HAVE TO remake my account!"

>>24927833
>Random engineers make that much.
Why do you say that as if becoming an engineer is easy and takes no skill?

The problem with earning that much through regular work is that you CAN'T spend it because you're always working and then I wouldn't be writing either, but just dying of alcoholism.

>>24927841
>They can have 1000 people tell them how amazing their story is, but completely lose it when 1 guy says it's gone to shit.
That is literally just being human. Almost every single artist in existence relates to that phenomenon.
Well, not 'completely lose it', that's poor emotional regulation. But being hurt by negativity no matter the amount of positivity is human.
Why did you even poison the argument with the meltie addendum?

>>24927699
they really don't. I've tested it with a bunch of my own writing and never gone over 0%

>>24927846
>Why do you say that as if becoming an engineer is easy and takes no skill?
I didn't. 1 in 50 implies more than 49 others.
But 1 in 50 is not unbelievable wealth. You'll bump into them by the dozens just walking down the street.

>>24927847
>Why did you even poison the argument with the meltie addendum?
lol what

>>24927785
>>24927804
Just make your bad guys cool as fuck. Give them aura farming and hype moments or whatever the sloppers crave.

>>24927850
Amateur writing is awkward and distinctively not AI because of the many flaws and technical issues
Go drop professional writing in and see what they say.

>>24927855
The conversation was about how negativity will affect artists regardless of size and that's just being human, then you randomly starting sperging about how they're all narcissists who have melties when they're criticized.

>>24927853
Can it be called being wealthy if you sacrifice more for it than you gain in return?

>>24927860
I don't think high income earners sacrifice too much more of their time/life to their job than low income ones.
True wealth is being a NEET

>>24927860
If you sacrifice more than you gain? No. But many of them, while they sacrifice a lot, don't sacrifice more than they gain.

>>24927858
It's the guy who got banned and told to fuck off by Zogarth, lol

>>24927858
The key is in how the person expresses being affected by the negativity, at which you randomly started drawing arbitrary lines. Feeling a bit bad about it for short while before carrying on with your day is normal and human. But that's not something others can even see, so why even bother bringing that up now?

We're talking about big people, who have made it by every imaginable standard, publicly expressing their butthurt over comments that don't represent even 0.0001% of their readerbase, which is indeed being an insecure little bitch. And then there's this giga loser class of subhumans, who gets upset on behalf of these wounded big people, when the conversation doesn't even have anything to do with them.

>>24927870
I don't think cutting your lifespan, health, mental well-being, family, and hobbies for 30k/month is balanced, but everyone has to decide their own value.

>>24927879
>We're talking about big people, who have made it by every imaginable standard, publicly expressing their butthurt over comments that don't represent even 0.0001% of their readerbase
I'm so tired of dorks scrolling past pages and pages and pages of praise just to find one retard who doesn't like what they put out and then signal boosting it. And all the ones who've made it can't help but do it, so it must be an inherent trait or something. This is why my stuff hasn't blown up yet

>>24927879
>so why even bother bringing that up now?
I brought it up because I was responding to a comment about how money should magically make an artist not feel bad about criticism. What?
>We're talking about big people, who have made it by every imaginable standard, publicly expressing their butthurt over comments that don't represent even 0.0001% of their readerbase, which is indeed being an insecure little bitch.
Fucking nobody but you is talking about this. The original comment was about Archmage and that author almost never responds to comments on any website. Literally 0 comments on the royalroad profile

You have a personal hangup here or something, did Zogarth really get to you that badly?

>>24927882
>I don't think cutting your lifespan, health, mental well-being, family, and hobbies for 30k/month is balanced
Not all of them do that. For every example you can find of ones that do, there are others that don't. And there are plenty examples of lower wage earners putting in somewhat similar amounts of time without equivalent compensation.
There are plenty of 300k+ers that have time for hobbies and family and lifespan and health. No comment on their mental wellbeing.

>>24927882
I don't think most 30k jobs are so significantly more demanding than 5k ones. They're usually just highly specialized jobs people have worked in for decades.

>>24927699
>50% is pretty egregious, but to be fair, those checkers light up if they see an adjective or a semicolon.
Let's see if the old empty spoiler tags trick still works.

To everyone else: what are the popular litrpg/progression tropes everyone loves? I'm doing planning for my next fiction since the anxiety is starting to keep me up at night and I want to make sure I pander accordingly.
I am already planning to do a close read of Max Level Archmage and the comments.

>>24927885
>how money should magically make an artist not feel bad about criticism
Because feeling bad about the opinions of a tiny minority that don't harm you or your work in any way, and expecting the whole world to love everything you do, is a sign of severe mental issues and most certainly not normal, like you claim.
>You have a personal hangup here or something, did Zogarth really get to you that badly?
I have no idea who the fuck is "Zogarth". Seek psychiatric help, retard.

>keep remembering the revision I need to make while out and then forgetting it when I got to write
I gotta start carrying a notebook like an old man

>>24927825
>even sloplords want people to like and enjoy their work and will be affected by negativity.
Can confirm. I thought I had thick skin from almost two decades on 4chan but man, getting two dumb negative reviews in two days took me to the floor. It was the most butthurt I'd been in years.
Then I got some positive comments, and I felt much better. I think someday when I'm super duper rich and successful I'll hire someone to screen out stupid negative comments for me.

>>24927901
>Because feeling bad about the opinions of a tiny minority that don't harm you or your work in any way, and expecting the whole world to love everything you do, is a sign of severe mental issues and most certainly not normal, like you claim.
By literal definition you are the highly abnormal one if you are able to ignore people insulting you because you've gotten praise before. This is a universal sentiment expressed by popular artists, not some fringe sentiment. Authors are always going on about how much bad reviews hurt no matter how universally loved their work is.
So you're the alien robot in this case.
>I have no idea who Zogarth is
Oh, you're the /wg/ retard. That explains so much.

It's honestly only the people who have never experienced it that think they would be totally immune to criticism. Makes sense the /wg/er is the one taking such a harsh stance. Never had a real readership

>>24927932
>crumbling under 0 pressure
lol

>>24927906
nta
That's because we're anonymous here. Nothing here has to do your identity and it's all transient. You don't care about your posts and they aren't you. Your story is your identity and is part of you. You are being attacked not by anonymous strangers, but by specific individuals. I've noticed over the years that same people act entirely differently depending on whether they're here or else. Discord for example is an entirely separate sort of social context than 4chan. So are other sites. Being here doesn't give you thick skin. It only provides the illusion thereof.

Don't (You) me you insect

>>24927850
The quill one is extremely lenient. I can put blatant ChatGPT into it and will say 0%. Try zerogpt, which goes sentence by sentence, and it'll light up over the dumbest shit.

>>24927898
<what are the popular litrpg/progression tropes everyone loves?
Let's see if the orangetext trick works
>Either OP from the start or becomes OP fast
>Has to hide their OPness; often results in hijinx
>MC glazing chapters from random's POVs
>Knows something that the pleb locals don't
>MC shouldn't have permanent companions, just temporary; they will otherwise slow them down
>Companions must be useful in some way that does not intersect with MC's role

>>24927942
zerogpt seems to just think that every single list of plans or actions is ai lol

>>24927958
Wow. You really hate having to actually read a story, huh?

>>24927699
>>24927942
>>24927959
the scale is from 60-100

>>24927963
??
I'm listing the tropes that invariably result in popular fictions.

Anyone read Rivera's Repairs? It's the only one of the titles that have been hanging around RS that I might be interested in.

>>24927963
original anon asked what was popular, not what was good. Everything I like isn't popular which is why I haven't responded

Being unaffected by criticism or praise is a core trait of schizoid personality disorder.

>>24928089
uh oh...

>>24928089
Source: me

>>24927818
>I couldn't spend that much money in a month
you have to be a giga retard if you think the 30k/month is gonna be a lifelong thing and start planning to live paycheck-to-paycheck on it.
the point is to save most of it up for your future for when the slop isn't bringing in as much money

>>24927865
Depends on the job. The real richfag positions like CEOs are just jerking off or planning golf trips in their closed door office all day while subordinates do all the work.
But mid tier positions like doctors and lawyers can be super overworked. And there are some jobs like bank analysts that force people to work 110 hours a week for the first few years as a form of hazing or some shit before they can advance to the actual cozy richfag jobs.

>>24928089
I am unaffected by praise but crippled by criticism. What does that make me?

>>24928148
mentally weak, socially anxious, ngmi

>>24927782
>>24927811
Sorry, "comments" was the wrong word to use. When I looked at the reviews and ratings, there was a pretty consistent trend I saw of low ratings getting dropped on whatever smut fics I opened if it had anything Risky in the tags, with reviews that outright said they rated it low because of the tags rather than the quality.

But then, I'm not a long-time user for Scribblehub, so maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places. Sorting by popularity and readers gave me that impression.

>>24928120
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK559234/

DSM-5-TR Criteria for Schizoid Personality Disorder

A pervasive pattern of isolation, limited social relationships, and restricted emotional expression is evident in interpersonal settings. This behavioral pattern begins in early adulthood and persists across various contexts, manifesting in at least 4 of the following:
Limited or no enjoyment in close relationships, including with family.
Nearly always chooses solitary activities.
Minimal interest in sexual experiences with others.
Finds pleasure in a few activities.
Limited close friendships or relationships other than first-degree relatives.
Indifference to praise and criticism.
Displays emotional coldness, detachment, and affective flattening.

>>24928202
>there was a pretty consistent trend I saw of low ratings getting dropped on whatever smut fics I opened if it had anything Risky in the tags, with reviews that outright said they rated it low because of the tags rather than the quality.
the most popular ongoing work on the website is futa selfcest harem poly smut that gets seriously freaky (Rebirth of the Nephilim)
The #1 most total readers smut story has polygamy, bdsm, pregnancy, and rape tags (Sex Beast System)
The #2 most total readers smut story is another futa harem fic with all the wild kinks associated with that genre (This Ascent To Divinity Is Lewder Than Expected)
I could go on, it continues that way
honestly no idea how you saw a consistent trend for vanilla shit doing well. as I said the direct opposite is true, scribblehub is a website for fetish smut
Did you bump into like two reviews on a small story and base your whole view of the site on that? kinda funny

>>24928215
hey its me

>>24928215
>only 3 of them
Hey I'm not officially schizoid I guess

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>>24928215
webnovels with schizoid MCs?

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>>24928215
I'm not who you're responding to but I'm bang on for all of those, haha fuck man
At least I can easily get night guard jobs and not mind the isolation

>>24928254
there's also a good chance you can have autism instead, it's pretty diagnostically similar to schizoid

Schizophrenia =/= schizoid

>>24928257
many fail to understand!

>>24928256
i would honestly be surprised if less than two thirds of us are autistic
4chan is already a red flag, /webnovelgeneral/ on the /literature/ board basically confirms it

>>24928256
nta
Not really.

>>24928266
I compiled this in the middle of last year (2024), so there may be more now.

AUTISM
* = Professionally diagnosed

Scores are from RAADS-R
The scoring range of the RAADS–R is 0–240. A score of 65+ indicates you are likely autistic, as no neurotypical scored above 64 in the research. A score of <65 means you are likely not autistic.

Scores listed: 32
65+ scores: 27
84% potentially have autism in this sample.
This is higher than the California's Department of Departmental Services's estimate for the employees of Silicon Valley, which is 65-82% and they're almost all male.
The current estimate of autism in women in the US is 1.25%, though it's suspected to be underestimated due to women being able to camouflage their symptoms much better.
Vtubers may have highest incidence rate of functional (relatively speaking) autistic women, almost definitely so for a publicly-facing occupation.

Any other scores and statements are from
different tests.

Phase Connect
Remi 206
Muyu 206
Panko 203
Lia* 181
Jelly 167
Shiina 162
Airi 150
Clara 142
Rie 138
Eimi 110
Ember 90
Erina 80
Runie 68
Lumi 45
Pippa Autism Symptoms Very High
Tenma Autism Symptoms Low

VShojo
Haruka* 149
Froot*
Michi 119
Zentreya 57

VReverie
Lilrya*
Cheri* 142
Nova "Autism test says I'm normal."

Idol
Rin 143
Kai 143
Fuyo Autism Symptoms Low

Hololive
Gawr Gura High potential for autism

Indie
Lucy Pyre 196
Rina Lucspear 181
Fillian 141
Nian Pantaleon 122
Arielle 111
Chiwa 111
Maggie Edana 104
Zecke 103
Celine Whitetail 100
Nyanners 100
Yuy IX 61
Mint Castella 48
Clio Aite 31
Byeol Gizmo*
Froggy*
Punkalopi*
Clauvio Autism Symptoms Very High
Inukai Purin Autism Symptoms Very High
Kirsche Autism Symptoms Very High
Anny Strong Possibility of Autism
Alekirser 35/50 Strong Signs
SmugAlana "passed"
kyOresu 20/40
Midas "I score very high on autism tests, but I don't have autism".
Phora Whirled Moderate Signs
MariMari "failed"
Veibae Autism Symptoms Low

>>24928253
mine

>>24928272
Love the false confidence from people who don't know what they're talking about
They are diagnostically similar enough you can google it and find shit tons of articles and infographics discussing how to differentiate and not misdiagnose. Because it's common to mix them up

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>>24928272
>not really
it is though.
look up "differential diagnosis of asperger's syndrome"
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3849991/

>>24928281
followed and subscribed to patreon.

>>24928278
>Clio
>Low
hm

>>24928287
>>24928288
Yes, co-morbidity is high for almost all disorders. In practice autism specturm disorders have very high interrater reliability, so it doesn't really matter. I agree that people self-diagnosing are prone to mistakes. That doesn't mean that they are that similar though. Autism is much more about the positive symptoms which aren't present in Schizoid PD, whereas the latter is defined by its negative symptoms. It's true that PDs are more difficult to diagnose properly though.

>>24928317
Well, high-functioning autism autism anyway. Low functioning is much more a complete disability rather than a negative symptom.

>>24928278
>women being able to camouflage their symptoms much better
Because any weird shit an autist guy does is just seen as being cute and quirky for an autistic girl

>>24928331
That can be tested for as well with the CAT-Q.
A few had scores for that, but I didn't list it.
There are differences like that, but it's also true that women specifically train their behavior to be socially acceptable because they have greater pressure to be.

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>Royal Road is operated by Not Yet Media LTD, registered at Paulus Ha-shihi 7, Nazareth, Israel
Well this is it, we had a good run. I'm moving to Scribblehub.

Autistic Masking Creation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPqlFK039JM

>>24928358
You just now realized? That's been discussed many times here and it always has been.