English is incapable of good metaphysics. It lacks a native vocabulary to express metaphysical truths clearly. English-speakers qua monolingual English-speakers cannot grasp metaphysical truths without etymological knowledge of the vast quantity of English's Greek and Latin loanwords. In other words, English metaphysics is pointless since its metaphysical vocabulary is so steeped in Greek and Latin that the etymological knowledge necessary to understand the metaphysical vocabulary in English metaphysics makes it so that you might as well just learn Greek and Latin and read the metaphysical classics instead.
No language is capable of expressing true metaphysicsIt is inherently beyond human existence
you need a language like german so people know you're seething
>>24926545Arguably so, however English is indeed grossly inadequate in articulating metaphysical inquiries in a way that few other languages are. English is in essence a language designed for clerks and bean counters. It spews, aligns, quantifies and flattens, yet it never transcends itself.
>>24926539>English sucks because you have to understand the history of the technical philosophical terms people use when they write in it in order to understand itdo you see how your argument is retarded OP
>>24926539>English-speakers qua monolingual English-speakers cannot grasp metaphysical truths without etymological knowledge of the vast quantity of English's Greek and Latin loanwordsAKA knowledge of the English Language>you might as well just learn Greek and Latin and read the metaphysical classics instead.You'll make more basic errors in grammatical forms and common words than you will in English
>>24926554i think this is why analytic metaphysics is such a shit show and also why angloids are so obsessed with clarity, because their language is incredibly imprecise.
>>24926556no. on the contrary, you literally just reaffirmed my point. even squirtlean is more expressive.
>>24926554> it never transcends itselfSomething cannot "transcend itself" essentially. You may be thinking of a language you learned "transcending" your conception of it before you read that text.
>>24926565>nowell then you must be kind of dumb
>>24926560> AKA knowledge of the English Languageit's a pidgin
>>24926539Metaphysically speaking, the metaphysical truth is that the metaphysics of metaphysical English vocabulary are metaphysically metaphysical to a metaphysical extent, which metaphysically manifests as a metaphysical kind of metaphysics that metaphysically tends towards the metaphysics of metaphysical metaphysics
>>24926539It's not difficult to say that there is what there is and it is what it is. I do speak more than one language. The real issue is that most "metaphysics" is incoherent gibberish. Western metaphysics has been dead since the hellenistic era, and even before then it was crippled by confusion about "non being", "potential", and other inanities. The problem is with confused "thinkers". English is quite able to serve those who have something meaningful to say.
>>24926573>it's a pidginFor niggers like you, yes it is.
>>24926587smfh it got cucked by the Normans brainlet. you're a fish forgetting you're in water out of familiarity.
>>24926582> English is quite able to serve those who have something meaningful to say.cope
>>24926595>it got cucked by the NormansThe second greatest historical event of that millennium btw.>you're a fish forgetting you're in water out of familiarity.I have never heard this analogy be used to make an intelligent point.
>>24926600Not that you would know that feeling
History of language is the history of abbreviation, metaphysics is anti-language and anti-human. It's unnatural
>>24926539I actually disagree and wrote an essay on why years ago.
>>24926605>The second greatest historical event of that millennium btw.No
>>24926663ok share then
>>24926554English is not unique in that, all other western languages are arguably deficient. Latin and Greek are better in this regard, but still lose to Arabic in regards to metaphysical language. This is why so many esoteric organization in Europe used Arabic as their secret language
>>24926687We wuz mazonz
>>24926690what does that have to do with anything
>>24926600Ah, the best defense is an offense - accuse posters of "cope" when the very premise of the thread is pure, undiluted cope. A desperate attempt to escape the truth - "what is" - but to where? There only is what is, and it reveals that you are what you are: a drooling retard clinging to pseudo-philosophers whose ideas were dead on arrival. Sad!There are only two languages worth learning today - English and Chinese. hth
>>24926699cope
>>24926687I mean, there's German, they don't need Arabic.
>>24926673I mentioned it here >>24925104
>>24926539Okay smartypants. You want a medal or something?
>>24926740yes
>>24926539what metaphysics do you read? do you know greek and latin? which kind?
>>24926579But then who was phone??
>>24926539Your post is moronic on a foundational level. You speak of "metaphysics" as if even having a discussion on them is some kind of unknowable magic. You display the same type of thinking that a technologically inept person does thinking a computer is a "magic black box" that can't be understood.
>>24926539Unfortunately, you are correct. Ancient Greek and Latin are the best languages for metaphysics because they are conceptually precise and uncontaminated by vulgar associations. Popular languages like English have been meddled with by the archons to prevent understanding, then trampled by the masses in their earthly exoteric muddlement.
I'm almost positive I've read OP before, verbatim, several years ago.
>>24927758i feel this way about half the posts i see nowadays. and not just the op, but the first twenty or so replies, too. really.
>>24926699>There are only two languages worth learning today - English and ChineseSo you're telling me you're Chinese?
I have never encountered a single intelligent or worthwhile post with a frog attached to it.
>>24926539It was impossible to make philosophical statements in the Latin because there is no article at all. In fact, it is unforeseeable how natural science and philosophy could have arisen in Greece if the definite article had not existed. How else could scientific thinking have detached from expressions such as 'the water,' 'the cold,' 'the thinking'?
>>24926539The Greeks weren't even conscious. It's only with the spread of the neurolinguistic virus called the New Testament did those synaptic connections form.
>>24927914forgot pic
>>24926539>English is incapable of good metaphysicsYou haven't seen Estonian.Whatever you translate into it, it turns into the musings of a low functioning autistic potato farmer. It turns English into mud, Italian into the snoring of a glue high whore, Sanskrit into angular dissonant noise where transcendent concepts end up equated with the mood of an earth fucking peasant.Reading postmodernist in Estonian, let alone Kant, is the same as listening to an Appalachian retell you transcendental metaphysics using inbred vocabulary and horticultural metaphors. The translation of Ulysses turned a book through which the nonduality of life enters one's soul into a disjointed series of vignettes narrated in a pedophile ugly tongue. If you read Joyce in Estonian you'd think he's a dreadfully poor stylist suffering from linguistic handicaps. Estonian is a language that can only express the thoughts broiling on /pol/. Anything higher than that, it turns to shit.So, if you think the English language is incapable of metaphysics and is a limited language, you're a monolingual retard who has no idea what utterly nigger tongues exists in Europe alone. I still feel dizzy, on the verge of vomiting, from trying to read philosophy translated into Estonian. And I actually feel bad for all the Estonians who, interested in Indian philosophy, have to rely on Estonian translation that turns highly technical and specific terms that require a rich tongue for proper translation into another addendum to some everyday word that your hear here spoken 1000 times a day. In English you can have words to separate bhava, cit, citta, manas, vijnana, alaya-vijnana, samvit, bodha, cetas from each other. In Estonian you don't. You only have "mood" for them all.
>>24927817I have never encountered a single intelligent or worthwhile post with a frog attached to it.
Metaphysics is gay, which is why Germans are so obsessed with it
>>24926539Greek didnt have a good language for metaphysics until a bunch of dudes re-appropriated a bunch of words (λόγος, ὕλη) or made up a bunch of new ones (ἐντελέχεια). Language is shaped by culture and culture by language in a reflexive process. If a culture is philosophical, the language adapts. The anglos have produced very few good philosophers but many great scientists and many great poets. As a result, English is a great language for science and poetry, but not for metaphysics.
>>24926539Or maybe it's just you
>>24927955>>24928283That's actually their strength.>We shall often have occasion to notice that the technical language of philosophy employs Latin terms for reflected determinations, either because the mother tongue has no words for them or if it has, as here, because its expression calls to mind more what is immediate, whereas the foreign language suggests more what is reflected.
The advantage of using Latin words and phrases verbatim is (or at in theory should be) that as it's a "dead" language, vernacularly speaking, those words and phrases aren't subject to having their meanings "evolve" or change contextually with time as is so often the case with native words. It's almost always the least ambiguous way describe something, or make reference or inference to something etc. due to the static "objectivity" in their meaning.Of course, some of the more common phrases that have become woven into the language proper and are indiscernible to most people are starting to corrode to less-than-literal/metaphorical (if you will) use. At least, that's my take on it. I think species' classifications work on a similar (similar) principle
>>24928633>indiscernible to most people as latin phrases*
