What happened to all of the Evola/Guenon perennialist tradposters from a decade ago?I knew one that went from communist to traditionalist perennialist to Orthodox Christian to buckbroken tranny.
>>24927555The LARPwheel turned away from this towards Orthodox/TradCath. Eventually it'll turn towards something else.
trad fuckers were always massive retards, okay you want to be trad, so like give me your iphone, no more social media. Oh you dont want to?, thought you wanted to be le trad.Anyways, the nazis and original fascists werent trad, they were futurists. They didnt want to return to the past, they wanted to burn everything to the ground and start a new orderwhere are they?hopefully dead
>>24927555The annihilitionism schizo, a couple more dedicated schizophrenics and illiterate Latinx teenagers spam rage bait in all the threads to bump limit so it's impossible to talk about them now. Even most Traditionalism related threads are made by these people and are designed to waste time and energy. I just don't discuss these authors here anymore. Instead I spend my time reading books.>>24927587Case in point this fellow here hasn't even read a single word by Evola or Guenon and yet here he is posting his garbage in the thread.
>>24927605am i wrong?you have no argument, you want to return to tradition, then get rid of your smart phone, go away from here.but its too late.
>>24927578But Evola is TradCath. He literally was an aristocrat of the soul blessed by the God.
>>24927587>okay you want to be tradThe tradition in capital T Traditionalism isn't referring to a saccharine return to or fetishization of the past; they use it more in the sense that someone might refer to a religious tradition or lineage. A Traditionalist would tell that there no turning the clock back; there can be no return to monke. They're more perennialists than primitivists. And with the exception of Evola for a time, none of the Traditionalist were Fascist or Nazis, nor were they sympathetic to them. Evola himself became disillusioned by them fairly early on and went on to write critiques of Fascism and Nazism from a Traditionalist perspective.
>>24927611Yes, you are. Traditionalism has nothing to do with being a luddite. Evola made it very clear that "historical forms" are not to be imitated but rather to serve as a source of inspiration. The path forward is *through* modernity, not going back on it.>>24927614Evola was not a Catholic.
When you elevate Pajeet civilization, your line of thinking falls flat.
>>24927605>everyone I dislike is an evil skitzo latinxChild>wahh ppl disagree in threadsLearn2bantz>I don't post here anymoreGood riddance>>24927555I think they must have gotten a job. Or joined a monastary. Or killed themselves. The trad perspective is interesting. I've read Evola and Guenon. Am vaguely perennialist. Moreso just a normgroid religious person. Yet believe a bit in prisca theologia. But irregardless, the main tradposter(s) of years past displayed a disturbing psychotic monomania in posting copypastas and humourless uncharitable attitude and inability to discuss anything outside the most dogmatic terms and frameworks. Really made me think much worse of the "movement" as a whole.
>>24927555Some of us are still here but we dont post meme threads all the time like we used to
>>24927663Your ignorance, cowardice before the truth and obnoxious behaviour mark you out as the child instead.
>>24927555>to Orthodox Christian to buckbroken tranny.How does this even work? How do you digest something as monumental as the Resurrection of Christ, and thereby believe that God created the entire universe, including YOU, for some higher purpose, and then jump from there to cutting your penis off?I know it happens, I've seen it happen, but I just don't understand the through-line of thought that gets you there. I never have.
I reached the conclusion that I, and all these other LARPers, are, in fact, just post-modernists and I’ve embraced the inevitable of living in the Kali Yuga via chaos magic and occultism.
>>24927722Such loving-kindness, truly the light of the absolute flows thru you, tradfag-senpai
>>24927735jewish mind control
>>24927735Because Christianity's natural conclusion is leftroonism. It starts from the premise that all are spiritually equal.
>>24927752Thank you, I wasn't trying but I suppose it comes through naturally because of my noble character. Letting you know your faults so that you may correct them is indeed a form of loving kindness. Well observed.
Evola was a dadaist, that alone makes him worthless, all of his works afterwards have been tainted by it.
Most who actually read them and had the predispositions to apply what they learnt (or, more precisely, rediscovered), understood that it was not really coherent to continue posting about traditionalism here. Proselytism is not at the heart of traditionalism.
>>24927996He just wanted to be special and stand out because his mom didn't love him so he made up edgy sex magic stuff.
>>24927555They left because being a traditionalist requires you to commit to an institution/master for it to truly matter dummy.
>>24927735Once you have a sissygasm from prostate stimulation you never go back, or if you do you will never forget the superior pleasure.
>>24927555Why the long face?
>>24927996Willing to bet 300$ on you not having read the section in his autobiography where he explains exactly what his reasons for contributing to the Dadaist movement were.
>>24927578/ThreadMaybe now we can have decent threads about Guenon and Evola.
>>24927555I recently went from Klages --> Evola --> Nimrod de RosarioOnly Parmenidean Being offers freedom from the prison and illusory Becoming of the Demiurge.
>>24928163Don't tell me - is this you icchantika anon? Are you the guy who's been doing "Parmenidean" shitposting on this board recently?
literally every single thing Guénon talked of was rightIt is truly haunting how right he was, every single thing occurring today was described by himEvola on the other hand can be summarized in one sentence>one step forward two steps backThe development of 'popular traditionalism' online was a great mistake.
>>24927555That's just the communist to tranny pipeline. You can insert any flavour of the month schizo LARP in-between, the outcome is always the same.
>>24927953It starts from the premise that Jesus rose from the dead. I don't understand why this gets obscured by people who talk about Christianity in the modern world.
>>24927555the reign of quantity become so obvious and so literal that discussion is made redundant
>>24927555>I knew one that went from communist to traditionalist perennialist to Orthodox Christian to buckbroken tranny.Please tell more about this person. I'd like to have a serious talk with them.Regarding your question, as someone who appreciates Guénon, I actually agree that the vast majority of Guénon posters and the self-proclaimed "traditionalists" on /lit/, and indeed on the English side of the internet as a whole, are insincere, shallow and just generally moronic pretenders. Due to various reasons, they lack the necessary qualities to fully grasp Guénon's works and how invaluable they are, ultimately contribute to the subversion of Tradition with their half-baked knowledge. Hitler and Evola can be considered as precursors to such people.However, this does not mean what Guénon himself said was invalid. I wouldn't have known the existence of René Guénon without them posting here, and that mattered much more to me than the actual content they posted (I've searched in the warosu archive, zero Guénon posters throughout the years have ever asked the crucial questions that I asked in my own spiritual search).In fact, such individuals were already precisely critiqued by Guénon in Reign of Quantity:>31 TRADITION AND TRADITIONALISM>Nevertheless, however powerful and clever the suggestion may be, a moment may always come when the resulting state of disorder and disequilibrium becomes so apparent that some cannot fail to become aware of it, and then there is a risk of a ‘reaction’ that might compromise the desired result.>This is the stage at which the effort made, however praiseworthy and meritorious it may be, can easily allow itself to be turned aside toward activities that will, in their own way and despite appearances, only contribute in the end to the further growth of the disorder and confusion of the ‘civilization’, the rectification of which they were intended to bring about.>The people just referred to are such as can properly be described as ‘traditionalists’, meaning people who only have a sort of tendency or aspiration toward tradition without really knowing anything at all about it; this is the measure of the distance dividing the ‘traditionalist’ spirit from the truly traditional spirit, for the latter implies a real knowledge, being indeed in a sense the same as that knowledge.https://index-rene-guenon.org/index.php?Chapitre=2236>>24928807>The development of 'popular traditionalism' online was a great mistake.Also this.Guénon distinguished between "anti-tradition" and "counter-tradition": the former being a hostile opposition to Tradition, which corresponds to Marxism and leftism in general; while the latter can be seen as a "doppelganger" mimicry of Tradition, or the "Antichrist" spirit, with historical precedents such as the regime of Hitler.I remain skeptical and watchful of the ongoing trend of "right-wing resurgence" in Western countries.
>>24928807>>24929293It was around 2014-2017 that there was a noticeable surge of “traditionalists” in the Anglo web spaces. In reality, too. I noticed that after the Trump election in America, there was an influx of “based right wing” boomers and quirky younger people into the religious community I was a part of at the time. I suppose that the contemporary distinction of progressive/conservative led the conservatives to identify with small t tradition, and confuse it with Tradition in the understood sense of the word. It’s all identitarian stuff. Symbols, simulacra, and spectacle etc. I engaged with some self professed “traditionalists” online a year or so ago. They were obsessed with Ebola and Guenon, outwardly, but I had the distinct impression they had not read any of the material. They were interested in asserting how “based and Trad” they were, and discussing Trad Cath memes. I had done all that in my youth, so declined their invitation to join their online space. I would say that the Traditionalists, like myself, are still out there. We are engaging in our living Tradition and “riding the tiger”. There was a large enough movement between say 1992 and 2014. Books, conferences, etc. that wave of us are all engaged. Perhaps we were the last? The younger ones seem completely lost to me. At least the online ones. There are university aged men who engage with the concepts of Tradition, but they do so from the side of being already well established within a living Tradition, which might explain why they’re less visible. Unless you’re in, for example, a thriving Muslim community, with tariqa and ulema, actively engaging, then you won’t see it. I’m sure the same is true in smaller Traditions.
>>24929293>the vast majority of Guénon posters and the self-proclaimed "traditionalists" on /lit/, and indeed on the English side of the internet as a whole, are insincere, shallow and just generally moronic pretenders.This is why people just laugh at the ideas because most people discussing it are doing such a piss poor job.
>>24927555the serious guys turned to islam
We realized that Evola was retarded and Guenon was correct. Evola became nothing spiritually whatsoever and whose ideas are a hodgepodge of inconsistent gibberish. He was a LARPer par excellence. Since Guenon was correct, we are now initiated in our various traditions living the life without ample time to spend shitposting. Or we realized the futility of finding a perfect tradition in this current age and gave up and just became Catholic>>24927660They weren't alive during that time. India's state today just proves that the Sikhs, Jains and Buddhists were completely right. Anyone considering Hinduism seriously, looking at modern day India is a completely blind or delusional retard.
>>24927735>How do you digest something as monumental as the Resurrection of Christ,They don't because if they did they wouldn't be larping >When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
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>>24929524>India's state today just proves that the Sikhs, Jains and Buddhists were completely right. This is really nonsense, those people were just as Indian as well and they only disagree with Hinduism on a narrow range of metaphysical topics unrelated to governing society and social mores while they shared 75-90% of their general outlook of Hindus. Also the south of India that is more heavily Hindu is the most cleanest, orderly and well-run part of India with the highest HDI while the most polluted sprawling slums are largely in the north where the Muslim population is concentrated.>Anyone considering Hinduism seriously, looking at modern day India is a completely blind or delusional retard.You have to be a retard to not be able to distinguish the average person acting stupid, crass, boorish etc from a millennia old spiritual tradition existing in the same geographic location as them and which are still continuing just as always. With that said its really only Tantric schools that are open to westerners but its a valid option if people desire it.
>>24929379Yea this is 100% correct. The whole gamergate into the first trump election saw a huge influx of users into /pol/ from other websites, particulary reddit. There, the traditionalists kind of became a part of a canon of recommended literature for the 'intellectual' neo-nazis: Nietzsche, Sprengler, Evola, Guenon. This leaked over into /lit/ during that same period.
>>24929657>This leaked over into /lit/ during that same period.The Traditionalist threads on /lit/ from the start were always heavily interested in discussing the metaphysics of the various traditions, it was never primarily politics focused although people were aware of the political implications and would discuss it on occasion.
>>24929657It was very strange to see this occur in real life. At the time, I was part of a Traditional Catholic cult, slightly more radical than the SSPX. People began turning up to mass and our meetings. After mass, the conversation turned from patristics, books, art, etc to American politics and social media buzz. These people that came in were definitely different. They had different mindscapes, priorities, and views. But they were wrapped in the aesthetics and language of the traditional movement. As I understand it now, that whole ‘scene’ has completely come undone. The Traditionalists (in the Catholic sense) led by Marcel Lefebrve are now almost completely wiped out, despite the popularity of traditional aesthetics. We can see it also in the national Socialist movement. In the 90’s there was a coherent National Socialist movement. Often eccentric and full of intrigue, it still had a vanguard of political soldiers. Now look at them; they’re wrapped in the aesthetics of national socialism but their ideology is racist liberalism. The same for the communists. No longer even concerned with Marx, they’re after post structuralism and transexuality. Everything has been replaced with signs or simulations of Tradition, simulation of doctrines. The visual appeal dominates. People think in terms of memes and scenes. >>24929435There are many more Traditionalists within the ummah, but I fear the dissolution has reached even the most isolated Muslims. The same identitarianism plays a significant role among Muslim communities across the globe. It’s unavoidable.
Wow a thread I actually read from top to bottom, with minimum shitposting and replies that actually deal with and answer to what was said. Is /lit/ OK?
