Is the title>The Iliador just>Iliad
it's 'boring piss and shit people pretend to like'
>>24930659In Greek it's The Iliad,but if it were written in Trojan probably just Iliad.
i have a version where the translator has dropped the meter and re-written in prose. i like it better, i guess i'm a philistine.
>>24930843Have you read it? It's hard to believe people can read the iliad and not like it, it's like listening to Toccata og fuge and not liking it, it's just crazy, each their own i guess
>>24930843>getting filtered and seething eternally
>>24930858>Toccata og fugeLolhttps://youtu.be/oXoKbnfvftw
>>24930843You haven't read it, or you wouldn't hold this opinion. The only bit you could call boring is the catalogue of ships, but if you're a man, and you have a soul, and also are not reading that dumb bitch translation in OP's picrel then you will not be bored.
>>24930659Iliad means Poem about Ilion
>>24930659ὁ Ἰλιάς
>translated by FAGlesLol
The absolute state of /lit/. Sigh..
>>24930848when you read the illiad it was the most important day of your life, but for the illiad it was just a tuesday, or however that quote goes
>>24930659The name of the ship is Titanic but when talking about it we use "the" in front. "The sinking of the Titanic occured in 1912." I think it's the same with Homer. Names are Iliad and Odyssey, but we use "the" when talking about them.
>>24932500That being said, we never say "Homer's The Iliad." Instead, it's called "Homer's Iliad"
>>24932505homer is ancient greek for the>inb4 it's notwere you there?
>>24932067>dumb bitch translationI am not on /lit/ a lot, is it normal for people to argue about translations of books like i have seen in iliad threads, or is it just the iliad and books like it people think it is so important?
>>24932538It's normal for academics to quibble about translation preferences, that's why they're always pumping out new ones and saying in the introduction why they weren't satisfied with the others Normally people who read things like the Bible don't think far enough to consider translation, they just read what's there unless it's promoted as a special translation
>>24932538
>>24930659>emily twatsonIt's worthless.
>>24932550sort of. actually i think no one’s louder on the issue than the people who aren’t classically educated, don’t know greek. which makes sense.
>>24932538>is it normal for people to argue about translations of booksI'm not sure how you could go into reading a translation without some anxiety about whether you're reading something close to the 'authentic text' as opposed to some academic's rewrite. Maybe this doesn't occur to Americans because they're monolingual and have never experienced firsthand how bad some works get translated by these people.
Which translation is /lit/ approved?
>>24930659Antiquity: Ilias / Ιλιάς Medieval Greek: Ilias / Ιλιάς, often with “of Homer.”Latin: Ilias.Modern English: The Iliad is overwhelmingly predominant.Academic English: both appear, but Iliad is common because it mirrors the Greek.
>>24932592pouring too much energy into comparing translations of homer is like scrutinising casual maps meant for tourists – they’re designed for general readers, not scholars seeking the precise contours of the original.
>>24932611From what i have read they really like Fagles but other Anon's hate him
>>24932611Lattimore, Fitzgerald, Pope.
'The Siege of Wilusa' is a more proper name
>>24932624That was a comment about translation generally and not Homer specifically. Though of course the anxiety should increase the further your native lanuage is from the targeted language, another thing that just never crosses the minds of normies. But I agree, general readers don't actually care about if they're reading 'the authentic text' and for them Wilson is as good as Fagles is as good as Lattimore. It doesn't matter so long as the broad strokes of "THE PLOT" are there.
>>24932629I disagree, fidelity to the structure, epithets, repetition are important to preserve a sense of Homeric verse. You need to know Agamemnon is shepherd of the people and Hera is white armed.
>>24932629funny you’re drawing a line between general readers and… whatever you imagine yourself to be. unless you’re reading homer in the greek you’re who i’m talking about. my point wasn’t about americans or normies - it’s that translations are tools to access a story. pouring huge amounts of anxiety into them is missing the point.
>>24932624Christians for much of history worked with translations of the Bible, not the original Different translations of Homer are of very differing sorts of quality and style
>>24932887the iliad isn’t a bible, it’s a strictly literary work.
>>24933068I think the material on Greek gods in the Iliad are quite sincere, unless Homer was some kind of postmodern atheist I doubt he conceived of his work as "strictly literary"
>>24933068>he doesn't know
>>24933328you’re wrong about that.
>>24933340>editorialized k
>>24933351can you be less vague.
>>24933328>>24933334You two are completely clueless and ignorant about hellenism. it's like saying East of Eden or brothers karamazov is part of the christian canon.Most of the scripture is lost, details of the legendary eleusinian mysteries are gone (perhaps they survive within freemasonry), the main authority is Orpheus, and Orpheus hymns, as well as the mythology of the gods themselves.im guessing you retards think the greek gods are literally degenerates too, as opposed to eternal and pure kek
>>24932538If the book is a milestone of literature, like The Iliad, The Bible, or The Divine Comedy, then yes it's pretty normal.
>>24933068So? Robert Alter translates the Bible strictly from a literary perspective and he lauds old translations of the Bible as much more faithful and says modern liberal translations destroy the Bible's literary qualities.
>>24933466i’m just stating the obvious. never said the bible doesn’t have literary dimensions, but homer, by contrast, exists only as literature. translations are conveniences, not endpoints.
>>24933466>Robert Alter translates the Bible strictly from a literary perspectiveTherefore he didn’t start his literary analysis from a translation.
>>24930659Ever since reading Homers epics I’ve wanted to fuck Athena. There’s something about her raging, pre-moral pagan violence yet her overbearing, almost motherly protection and patronage of her favorite male warriors like Odysseus and Diomedes that makes my dick hard. Same goes Hera and Aphrodite, especially with all the language referencing their bone white skin, but I were Paris at the wedding of Peleus and Thetis I would have instead chosen Athena over those two. Does anyone else feel this way?
>>24933555When it describes Hera getting ready to seduce Zeus i literally jacked off thinking of me as Zeus and doing to her oiled up body as i please
>>24933068>troy is not hecking real
>>24933403Has anyone called Steinbeck or Dostoevsky the Teacher of the Christians?
>>24934239me
>>24932505>Homer's The IliadThat's just the cheap mockbuster movie made to cash in on Nolan's new Odyssey movie
>>24934239retards love saying random shit so yeah probably happened at some point.
>>24934147Eh, Zeus preferred Ganymede
>>24935888Zeus loved Ganymede's for his PSYCHE (Soul), not as a sexual lover. Socrates points out that Zeus did not grant immortality to any of his mortal lovers. But so enamoured was Zeus with the beauty of Ganymede's soul that he took the boy up into the heavens that this beauty may love foreverThe idea of Ganymede being Zeus's little fuck boy is the invention of a FRAUD named Edmund Veckenstedt who in the same breath claimed Ganymede and the Trojan were of one of the scattered tribes of Israel
>>24932505We never say RMS The Titanic, either.
>>24936177John Lennon’s The Beatles. Tim Burton’s The Nightmare Before Christmas. It just doesn’t happen in English.
>>24932611https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_translations_of_Homer
>>24933555I have masturbated multiple times to the thought of the Homeric Greek goddesses.These nuts were 3000 years in the making, thanks Homie.
>>24932079Sorry, I know you wanted it to be FAGful anon
Nothing
>>24930843There was a lady on mastermind 2 days ago whose specialist subject was Homer’s ‘the Iliad’ and she only got 3 questions right in 2 mins lmao, did terribly on general knowledge as well, finished dead last. She probably thought she was a very highbrow person who liked the Iliad, but she ended up looking like a fool!
>>24939726cool story bro
>>24939729Cope!
>>24939735so i was watching mastermind two days ago and guess what
>>24939740Guess what her final score was
>>24939741idk seven?
>>24939761Yep, she was a dummy alright! Big dum dum who secretly smart smart cos read dusty old book
>>24939776what a guess
