>>24935308
Alright Cioran anon, are you the one making all the suicide threads?

>>24935308
>So what's the point of reading pessimists? Just to torture yourself?
Cioran himself said that only failures, women and miserable assholes read his books. He hated his readers. Cioran was just writing books as a cope for himself. He never gave a flying fuck about the reader.

>>24936046
based. cioran could have been the one philosophical pessimist that nietzsche would not have fully looked down on.

>>24936050
All of these miserable assholes(me included) who hail Cioran as their messiah need to read him more closely. Cioran literally said in an interview that if you live with pessimistic worldview you either become a suicide or an invalid. Cioran was an ambitious man, who won in life.

>nietzsche would not have fully looked down on.
Cioran, shat on niet too. He called him a naive virgin kek.

He would have made a great anime writer in another life. Perfect medium for crafting overrated slop that only the inept enjoy.

>>24936067

He had a certain vague ambition as a younger man (as all younger men do), and he realized it fully with A Short History of Decay, his debut French work. But there is obviously no meaningful, conventional sense in which his ambition can be said to count for anything from the normie point of view (no children, little money, etc). He felt that he had "won" when the above work was well received (he felt that had gotten one over on Camus, who sneered at a draft version, which actually spurred Cioran to get it absolutely perfect, I suspect that Cioran had this personal victory in mind when he wrote in Odyssey of Rancor, a personal favorite (my paraphrase) "We produce and we perform better out of a desire to get back at the other, to win, then we ever do out of magnaminity or love"), and then he just sort of repeated himself and did variations on a theme after that.

I personally regard his relationship with Boue as close to ideal. They seem to have really loved each other, and to have been on the same wavelength. They never married, they never had any children, and they never went into (((debt))) over some house. Meanwhile he leads a relatively peaceful life at a center of western civilization (central Paris), having permanently escaped Romania, and is acquainted with the literary figures of his day. Given all this, from a certain /lit/ faggot point of view he did have certain things going for him, but again an old man living in his garret doesn't impress the normie on the street, which is my main point. That simply isn't "winning" as far as anyone who matters is concerned. Needlessly bringing several children into the suffering of this world and raising them to repeat the process so that you are naturally cared for in your old age (if you aren't shoved off onto an ice floe, or into assisted living/the mental ward), that's winning.

>>24935465
Yes

>>24938818
He won in sense that Cioran said that he decided that he is never going to work so he calculated his every move to achieve freedom from wage slavery. Who cares about normalfaggots? They can all go eat shit and die for all that I care.

>>24935308
Reading pessimists makes some people feel better.

>>24936046
what a stupid cope. why didnt he just become a psycho hedonist like any smart nihilist would rathre than just wallowing in despair without killing oneself? seems like he still clung to the slave morality that he so derided.

A comment fron Cioran about Nietzsche if anyone is interested. He was mentioned here a few times:
>When I was studying philosophy I wasn't reading Nietzsche. I read "serious" philosophers. It's when I finished studying it, at the point when I stopped believing in philosophy, that I began to read Nietzsche. Well, I realized that he wasn't a philosopher, he was more: a temperament. So, I read him but never systematically. Now and then I'd read things by him, but really I don't read him anymore. What I consider his most authentic work is his letters, because in them he's truthful, while in this other work he's a prisoner of his vision. In his letters one sees that he's just a poor guy, that he's ill, exactly the opposite of everything he claimed.

>>24940514
Cioran had no reason to kill himself. The concept of suicide was probably the most important thing to him:
>Because my theory of suicide is that one shouldn't kill oneself, one should make use of this idea in order to put up with life. So, it's something else, but they've attacked me, saying this fellow makes the argument for suicide and doesn't do it himself. But I haven't made such an argument. I say that we have only this recourse in life, that the only consolation is that we can quit this life when we want to. So, it's a positive idea. Christianity is guilty of leading a campaign against this idea. One should say to people, "If you find life unbearable, tell yourself, 'Well, I can give it up when I want to."' One should live by way of this idea of suicide. It's in Syllogismes where I wrote that sentence: "Without the idea of suicide, I would have killed myself from the start."
>I considered life as a delaying of suicide. I had thought I wasn't going to live past thirty. But it wasn't from cowardice, I was always postponing my suicide, see. I exploited this idea, I was the parasite of it. But at the same time this appetite for existing was very strong in me too.
He wasn't a hedonist because he didn't believe in hedonism. Suffering is pretty much permanent, as long as one is conscious. Pleasure is only temporary and thin.
Cioran probably wouldn't care about being under the slave morality. That already makes him seem more based than some guy doing everything to appear like he is a le master morality.

>>24940757
>Cioran had no reason to kill himself
cioran had no reason to live either. why bother making is/ought statements if nothing matters anyway? why "believe" in anything if you realise everything is a cope? i get the will to life being strong and overriding that is hard, but the braver position would have been to pull a Mainländer or Michelstaedter

>>24936067
>Cioran, shat on niet too. He called him a naive virgin kek.
There are more pessimistic idiots like Cioran than life affirming like Nietzsche

>>24936046
Did he ever think his readers hated him?

>>24936050
Ah hell nah, Nietzsche would've definitely shat on Cioran

>>24940757
Reading Nietzsche gets better when you know more about him. We can learn a lot about him through his letters but I think once you read them, you can also see parts of that in his books. He was clearly suffering a lot but I'm not sure this makes his books dishonest. The books contain an ideal, that Nietzsche couldn't fully live up to himself, but I think having a very high ideal was the point.

>I considered life as a delaying of suicide. I had thought I wasn't going to live past thirty. But it wasn't from cowardice
I always find it hard to believe that fear plays no role when deciding against suicide. I also don't think Cioran was just lying, maybe he started believing this himself, but I wouldn't trust anything a philosopher claims uncritically.

>>24940762
True, he had no reason to live. But he did live and had little reason to change that. He made his life bearable. I would assume that he was more or less ready to kill himself, because using the concept of suicide to cope with life wouldn't really work otherwise.

Cioran was a radical skeptic. He did pretty much most things to cope. Mainländer (I did not read Michelstaedter, so I don't know much about him) wasn't a skeptic. He seemed pretty confident in his theory. Cioran didn't believe in a system like that. Mainländer had a reason to kill himself, Cioran didn't. I wouldn't call it braver to follow you own philosophical system.

>>24941482
I haven't read much from Nietzsche, because I found him pretty boring honestly. But one notices pretty quickly that Nietzsche himself is miserable. I still like him, but Cioran comment seems spot on.

>I always find it hard to believe that fear plays no role when deciding against suicide.
I am sure he would be scared if he would kill himself. But I also believe he had enough guts to do it if he somehow claimed it to be necessary.

>>24935308
some people place truth over comfort. those people unsurprisingly suffer the most

It's the search for what is true, not practical advice on how to live.

>>24941912
>>24942006
Truthmind