I might be a midwit but i really want to understand why the most simple interaction between male and female characters are so extragrated prude in japanese literature ?When in fact both, male and female are lusting for eachother but force themselfs to maximum blue balls at the end.Everything else is super nice, that's why i keep reading them.I.e. the entry of "Snowland" is pure Kino the way he describes the scene in the train...pure gold but then...>me big confident male>you horny geisha>yeah let's hang out day and night in a hotel room>grind on eachother, confess alot>but let's not fuck
You don't always need to fuck
>>24936038Implied is more powerful than smut. That's why smut isn't literature.
>>24936038It's pathos retard.
>>24936255I didn't imply that. But every aspect of the story speaks for it as if they're about have sexxxoo but it's a sin to have sexxo so they end up with wet pants...mehEven Murakami doesn't do that but then again he's a "modern" writer
>>24936374The first several times i had sex were not penetrative. Honestly probably less than half ofthe sex i have is not penetrative. It's not all about fucking
>>24936038A lot of direct Japanese is incredibly rude. Thinking about the other person is valued way more highly than thinking about yourself. The two aspects of affirming the other person and avoiding forceful speech means a lot of weight is given to not saying your feelings but saying the thing that doesn't obligate the other person into saying yes to any of your desires.It's why a lot of Japanese books will have two people dying inside from love for each other, which they will never consummate because it would be socially better for them to not know each other, saying things like>These flowers are beautiful >The moon is so nice>Isn't the sea magnificent?Because the other person can say "yes" to that and share a sentimental moment with them without the negative consequence. Most of those scenes if you translated the sentiment rather than the direct speech in English would be>I love you forever i'm going to think about you when I'm dying in a perfect world it would be just the two of us looking at trees and flowers and making love and feeding each other fruit where we had millions of beautiful children who we all loved as much as each other.Keep in mind people say yes constantly while someone is speaking in Japanese, and imagine yourself talking to some randomer going "yes yes yes" and, when he gets to the part of the sentence about wanting graphic sex with you, you're still saying yes out of habit. Japanese and a lot of Asian languages where yes is a default to the other people's needs also have a built in politeness rule where you don't ask questions that can't be answered yes. It happens a lot in business language classes that you're told you can't just ask >is everything going well?because that answer is yes when the question you might want to ask is >are there problems?
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>>24936261spbp. /thread
>>24937581i really appreciate you anon !! So it's more or less subliminal + in such humble way just out of respect towards the other person..>Keep in mind people say yes constantly while someone is speakingNow that you've said it, yes it's true. So you speak in an "advanced" way towards the other person because your opposite is not just a ear but a person. long talk short anon: you saved my day. I guess i will read more carefully in future and try to understand the meanings and remarkssuch as >The moon is so nice< wow
>>24936038>maximum blue ballsThat is what Japanese aesthetics are about in general.The wind up and the withering away. Showing the culmination/climax is seen as distasteful or uncultured (and I don't just mean sex).This isn't just true of Japanese /lit/ but also of all Japanese art as a general principle.To express it to a "midmit": this is why no anime character ever gets to coom, why Dark Souls is about a long dead world, etc.Spring and Autmn, becoming and passing away, never become or fulfilled. In this way they are true Gothe/Spenglerchuds - in taste at least.
>>24938160It's generally something really poetic where they're admiring a landscape or beautiful thing together (there's a whole aristocratic culture which got mainstreamed of looking at things, so gazing at flowers or the moon have entire festivals too, and they're all loaded with romantic symbolism)Warning: flowers do mean things in Japanese culture so sometimes when you're reading shit about assholes it's a flower (red chrysanthemum), or you're reading about death (white chrysanthemum) and you kind of need to know the lore behind shit to get all of them, but generally yeah, two people looking longingly at nature is an I love you we should fuckJapanese has some really weird sexual euphemisms too where it translates directly as a nice thing but it's depraved in context (like the word for tourist souvenirs you bring back for friends and family when you go on a holiday somewhere is also used as a euphemism for STDs lol)
