Red pill me on materialism, white and purple pill me on dualism, and black pill me on idealism.
>>24937536Materialism = atheismDualism =what you see in front of you is one substance and your thinking consciousness is a different substance and the two interact somehow because God or somethingIdealism = everything is the same god consciousness
I shan't, therefore I am.
>>24937552>Feral Historian Love that nigga
>>24937552Ron Howard didn't say that
>>24937929Ron Howard doesn't live in Wyoming.
>>24937536Can I clearpill you on your pill addiction? I think you might need an intervention.
>>249375361. Do you do the material (correct) or does the material do you? (You'll get there eventually, don't give up!).2. Work 40h+ a week, you'll understand3. Don't be glum, chum! It's all for a hope and a dream!Now I'll trainingpill you: Food supplements are fine but must be accompanied by a varied diet, and honest-to-whatever-you-believe-in-training, even íf it's not Mr. Olympia level (yet), and work and persistence will win over shortcuts. Can't be poppin smarty pants pills at 20 when you should be in the library powerlifting your brain musles amd doing the work yourself, fór yourself. Well, you cán, for science, but prepare for troubles for having taken shortcuts down the road. You'll get found out! They always find out. And júst when you think you've Ascended, they'll pull you back in.
>>24937546thanks>>24937552>>24937677>>24938140lol, who is that?>>24938155how about a green pill?
>>24938313Ferel Historian on Youtube. Good analyses of books and films.Ron Howard is a film director and actorThat's just a screen shot of one of Howard's movies called Cocoon. Staring Oatmeal man.
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>>24937536Materialism and physicalism are types of dualism. They posit a mental realm that is distinct from the physical. Whatever is "strongly emergent" is necessarily in some sense fundamental, since it is irreducible. But even epiphenomenalism has to assume that consciousness is strongly emergent since no amount of combining extended bodies, information, or "mathematical objects" results in first person subjectivity. The only materialists who are truly monists are hardcore eliminativists who deny that they are conscious. But this is a level of reality denying faith in a meta-narrative of the world that fundamentalists would blush at, denying you exist in order to save your model. Everyone else is just a dualist with extra steps.
>>24937536Sorry to say but there's no coherent materialist viewpoint. Idealism is true. Your best hope is that it is a rather evil and dry form of being, and not God and all the good stuff from Plato and Christianity.
>>24937536Take the participatory ontology pill:...these principles are that (1) the world of space and time does not itself exist in space and time: it exists in Intellect (the Empyrean, pure conscious being); (2) matter, in medieval hylomorphism, is not something “material”: it is a principle of unintelligibility, of alienation from conscious being; (3) all finite form, that is, all creation, is a self-qualification of Intellect or Being, and only exists insofar as it participates in it; (4) Creator and creation are not two, since the latter has no existence independent of the former; but of course creator and creation are not the same; and (5) God, as the ultimate subject of all experience, cannot be an object of experience: to know God is to know oneself as God, or (if the expression seems troubling) as one “with” God or “in” God.Let me spell out these principles at greater length. In medieval hylomorphism (the matter-form analysis of reality), pure Intellect (consciousness or awareness) is pure actuality, or form, or Being, or God: it is the self-subsistent principle that spawns or “contains” all finite being and experience. Intellect Being is what is, unqualified, self-subsistent, attributeless, dimensionless. It has no extension in space or time; rather, it projects space-time “within” itself, as, analogously, a dreaming intelligence projects a dream-world, or a mind gives being to a thought. The analogy holds in at least three respects: (1) like dreams or thoughts, created things are radically contingent, and dependent at every instant of their existence on what gives them being; (2)as there is nothing thoughts are “made of,” so there is nothing the world is “made of”: being is not a “something” to make things out of; and (3) dreams and thoughts have no existence apart from the intelligence in which they arise, but one cannot point to that intelligence because it is not a thing. In the same way, one cannot point to the Empyrean, the tenth heaven that the Comedy presents as the infinite intelligence/reality “within” which all things exist; remove it and the universe would instantly vanish. Note that the analogy in no way implies that the world is “unreal” or a “dream” (except in contrast to its ontological ground); rather, it expresses the radical non-self-subsistence of finite reality. This understanding of the radical contingency of “created” things is the wellspring of medieval Christian thought, without which the rest of medieval thought makes little sense.
>>24937536The words have different problem spaces depending on what you're talking about. If your talking about the idealism / materialism divide of the Germans, then you're basically talking about theories of history and what drives the development of human ways of living and thinking. Materialism sees human ideas and ways of living as being produced by objects, basically. Not crudely empirical objects, but just contingent things that are pre-existing or determined outside of subjects. Idealists think that in some way objects are produced by subjects. Not necessarily individual subjects, really it is usually not from individual subjects. It is something more like whatever subjectivity is, or consciousness. This is like a singular thing we are all taking part in, that gives us our ability to be free subjects because we can rationally change our ways of living and our ideas according to our engaging in thought. So we make history and the world. Materialists don't entirely reject the idea that we make history, just that our freedom to make it is constrained by the reality of objects. The objects that confront us become a problem for freedom to self-actualize. The problem space both agree on is the problem of self-actualization in history. So they both believe that there is something moving us to change ourselves and the world. They disagree on how change happens.
>>24937536Materialism results in moral nihilism. Everything else is just cope. Empiricism bottoms out is epistemic nihilism and the denial of meaning, and so embraces ultra volanturist ideologies of "pragmatism all the way down." The denial of the Logos is ultimately the denial of life and Being itself.
nobody outside of certain antiquarian programs can today rest satisfied or impressed by any implication of a subjective notion of time, be it transcendental, divine, or any other sort - this is probably the biggest divide between philosophers and the rest of the world today, that desperate clinging to transcendental ideas about spacetime.
>>24937536Materialism: After the 20th century, no one is a materialist anymore. They are all physicalists because space and time are not material substances, yet they are a force in nature that needs to be incorporated.Dualism: The mind and the physical world are discreet things, and their separation is good for the health and preservation of both.Idealism: The universe is composed of a structure of absolute logic grounded in a transcendental intuition which serves as necessary limitations, and as limitations are necessary for existence, no knowledge that transcends the limitations of the transcendental intuition can be gained in any real or meaningful way. This absolute logical structure is God, grounded in the intuition of Christ, and because Christ died, the whole world became compelled to partake in His sacrificial mindset.
>>24937536wrong facewrong textyour black is a white pillhencekys
>>24939837is that why everyone considers America the "Great Satan"? I mean I don't see why someone would believe in something that's useless. religion is a culture builder and I don't consider that useless.
Is Matter is primary and the mind is secondary, or is the mind is primary and matter is secondary?
>>24939720that’s basically Advaita Vedanta
>>24941453Christian Advaita
Maybe materialism leads some people to nihilism but if you think about it clearly meaning is orthogonal to what substance the world is made of.
>>24941128primary and secondary are probably not good accidents for uncountable totalities
