So I already read every book of Kant, Schopenhauer, Cioran, Spinoza and Nietzsche What is it I should start with
>>24937682Man And His Symbols. Always. Save The Red Book and Black Books for last.
>>24937693Is it essential ?
>>24937695NTAIt bridges well the gap between materialist and immaterialist thinking Also red book is overrated, its just an overhyped dream diary. Aion is the better shizokino
>>24937682Again? There has been like 3 or 4 posts this week about how to start with Jung. I'll give the same answer: Man and His symbols. Read the prologue (10-15 pages), it should be obvious then that it's the introductory book.
>>24937701I have a copy of Seven Sermons To The Dead, should I read that one? NTA also.
>>24937701Both are shizokino. Red Book just shows what's going on behind the curtain, him defeating the ancient giant is incredibly interesting .People don't appreciate just how insane Aion is.
Reasons not to start with Jung at all?
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>>24937764Prejudice, or plain old stupidity.>>24937799You (and Graves) have made this retarded argument before. It doesn't matter if a civilisation can build 100-storey buildings, it still can't stop the workings of the collective unconscious, and the reiterations of myth. For evidence, watch any news bulletin.
>>24938216>made this retarded argument before.he asked (& I think I won that one). either way it directly challenges J’s premise that these myths arise from a ‘primitive mentality.’
anyone who says to read the redbook is larping that was never intended for release you should just do your own active imagination. Just read modern man in search of a soul it's a good intro and has a variety of essays that cover different directions.>>24937693>>24937708man & his symbols isn't even written by him and was published 3 years after his death.
>>24937682You start by reading Freud.
>>24938325Also, and I haven't got to him yet, it might also be a good idea to read work by Alfred Adler as well. Jung mentions him in his two essays on analytical psychology. For Freud, begin with the lectures on the introduction to psychoanalysis. They're highly readable.
>>24938309No it doesn't. The Minoans were primitives once.
>>24938390So was civilisation. We can’t treat the myths in their late, literary, final form as primitive products.
>>24938400*so was every civilisation
>>24938315The first section of Man and his symbols was written by him. The other sections are written by close followers. It is explained in the prologue that he dreamed about his thoughts being understood by common people, so he wrote his section and directed the rest of this book so that anyone could understand him.
>>24937799Is every single one of these threads made by the same retard spamming Graves' pseudery?
>>24938582if someone gets filtered by modern man in search of a soul they just aren't cut out for it. OP is not a common person.
do you have to be mentally ill to understand jung?
>>24938400You seem to be confusing myths (products of the unconscious psyche) with art (products of the conscious psyche.)Apparently Graves had the same problem.
>>24937682psychology was debunked decades ago
"The archetypes and the collective unconscious" is his most straightforward work
>>24938720Graves executed explicitly said poetry is a product of the unconscious.
>>24938942never mind ‘executed’ - I’m phoneposting
>>24937682Jung's Map of the Soul: an introduction, forget about anything anyone else says. You can then go to his collected works like Two Essays in Analytical Psychology (the ego and the unconscious).Aion, Aion goes deep and is fucking incredible, the Red Book you can save for last, as it's a fantasy, it's almost like reading a dream diary of a genius
>>24938942Then he was wrong. Poetry is literally framed in language, which is the product of consciousness.This is not to deny that the unconscous is involved in creating art. In fact it's where all good art comes from; but it must be extracted and cast into communicable form in a conscious way.And this is why Graves is wrong about Jung. The myth is what lurks in the unconscious and pulls a man's strings; a poem is an extraction of this unconscious material into intelligible form.The Minoans didn't consciously create myth, they created stories and poetry out of myth.
>>24939812Poetry is composed at the back of the mind: an unaccountable product of a trance in which the emotions of love, fear, anger, or grief are profoundly engaged, though at the same time disciplined; in which intuitive thought reigns supralogically.& myth is the spoken correlative of the acted rite. Religious convention compelled poets to draw plots from traditional mythology whose religious content was already obsolete in Homer’s day. What a people does in relation to its gods must always be one clue, and perhaps the safest, to what it thinks. The first preliminary to any scientific understanding of greek religion is examination of its ritual.
>>24939985That literally reads like a quote from The White Goddess. Not a good look ...
>>24940011it’s a quote from Harrison’s Prolegomena to the Study of Greek Religion.
