So what books are useful to understand this phenomenon and advocate for some kind of change? I'm tired to spend more than half of anything I earn paying rent to big companies and would like to take some action, but I need to educate myself first.
>>24939404Money can't buy you happiness.
start with The Bell Curve then go from there
dare ga kamau. yori ii sureddo o tsukure yo, buta.
the pareto principle is a good starting point
Why were pretty much all the monarchies destroyed during the early 20th century?surely that only leaves room for banker elites to conspire without recourse?
>>24939418Are you 100% sure that people like Elon Musk deserve (and have gained) that much wealth because of their IQ? Do they really ooze an intelligence proportionate to how much wealthier thay are than (You) when you hear them speak?
>>24939404>poors too lazy to revolt while they still can>now rich has AI and robocop to stop youLol the poor are just stupid
>>24939471Hard work, ability to organize and lead/delegate is more important than IQ silly
>>24939471nta The bell curve is a starting point not the be all end all, but you must first understand how people differ intellectually at the genetic level and at the societal distribution. Murray's book is quite outdated though if somewhat well written. but I can't suggest any more contemporary replacements, hopefully someone else can provide one.Of course if anon recognises the genetic contribution easily and the racial realism angle then we can simply at that point moe onto the nepotistic parasites
>>24939471those who give him the money deserves to lose it
>>24939478What if he gets his money from cabal black ops?
>>24939418IQ is on a normal distribution, wealth is on a power law distribution. These are very different.
>>24939492>wealth is on a power law distribution.If wealth is the vertical axis, what is the horizontal one?
>>24939504Population percentage?
>>24939507I was expecting a causal correlation with another quantitative variable
>>24939492wealth doesn't really correlate with IQ but income does.
>>24939534Yeah a small correlation that drops down when you get past the retard level. Basically IQ is only good for measuring mentally challenged people
>>24939504wealth would be on the horizontal axisnumber of people is on the vertical axis
>>24939404Have you considered that the poor deserve to be poor?
>>24939404Anything by Thomas Sowell, and to stop reading reddit in the meantime
>>24939534>>24939550Neither of these things are true. IQ is the highest correlational factor to life outcomes and success.
>>24939591They do, but so do most rich people
>>24939404Basic population statistics to remind you that thalf the world are either kids or in areas without good wealth calculation statistics. There are easily hundreds of millions of Africans which own a chunk of farmland unregistered anywhere so their wealth is set at zero.
>>24939650How much is a plot of unregistered African farmland in US dollars?
>>24939404The only way to level inequality is violence
>>24939404Why is inequality bad?
>>24939764It isn't. If you're poor, you (should) want a welfare state or wealth redistribution, if you're rich, you want the exact opposite. That's it.
>>24939764Would you rather live in fairly egalitarian Sweden or highly inegalitarian Zimbabwe?There's your answer
>>24939790but thats mostly because of race not the social structure
>>24939790I want to live in my homeland, America.
>>24939471lmao people like musk have earned the right to say whatever they want, that doesn't mean they aren't smart, it just means there's more scrutiny to what they say, and also social media has blown up, making dissemination of private thoughts easier etc, look at what he does, not what he says
>>24939492there's a one to one correspondence btn the right tail of the normal and the top left of the exponential, this is the 80 20 rule
>>24939808
>>24939817I don't care about that at all.
>>24939790Would you rather have lived in highly egalitarian Maoist China, or the inegalitarian United States?
>>24939764It isn't. If the plebs all got rich overnight, inflation would simply skyrocket, returning them to the same level of poverty.Envy is not an economic thesis.
>>24939764A certain level of inequality is inevitable in any developed society. It becomes bad when those at the top become greedy and hoard all the resources for themselves at the expense of most of the population which is whats happening now.
>>24939826>It becomes bad when those at the top become greedy and hoard all the resources for themselves at the expense of most of the population which is whats happening now.You seem to be having an emotional reaction at the thought of unfairness but that doesn't explain anything about why inequality or unfairness are bad.
>>24939826Nobody forces you to consume, so you are equally as guilty. You consume, they hoard. Nobody ever talks this part because they want to have their cake and eat it too. If you hate them so much, stop using what they make and go live in the wilderness, otherwise, stop complaining and focus on something else, you and your ilk of complainers are clearly not smart or even productive enough to make any meaningful changes.
>>24939404Race is class, you're just a loser and nothing will ever change, I'm sorry.
>>24939823>egalitarianlol
>>24939842lol no it isn't otherwise there wouldn't be poor Asians, rich blacks and poor whites.
is there any papers on how you can actually tax the super rich?as it stands, theyre stateless and will just move if taxes get too high. so a prison state or one world government would be the only way to actual tax them?
>>24939917"Asians", "Blacks", and "Whites" are broad categories made up of many subraces. As an example whites have varying levels of Aryan ancestry directly correlated to their success in society.
>>24939415And yet you take it to write posts like this one.
>>24939831I don't 'consume' much beyond what I need to survive in this techno capitalist dystopia. The upper class in this day and age is a bunch of parasites who profit off of working class misery. They should all be publicly decapitated.Its happened before and it can happen again.
>>24939404Read anything from Henry George
>>24939828Extreme wealth inequality = life is hard for most of the population = shit society
>>24939939their companies are already taxed, and since they don't get salaries, what exactly does taxing the super rich entail, their networth --which usually balloons because tax payers are allowed to buy shares in an ipo when the company is raising money-- is part of the company and is used to generate taxable profit, you tax that net worth, you reduce profit, you reduce taxes, you increase layoffs and unemployment which reduces income taxes even more, further, you incentivize them to flee your country, etc lmao, why the fuck are you retards afraid to think, you just like a statement because it sounds good but haven't even put any thought into whether the statement makes any sense?
>>24939951you just made google, amazon and microsoft rich with that post alone
>>24939404The solution is and has been obvious for ages. Communism for the poor, capitalism once you can prove you can handle money.My nephew is a car salesman.He bought himself a Rolex with all the absolute morons signing up at 25% interest rates using their covidbux checks.No ammount of taxation is going to fix that. Poor people should have their lives managed for them by the state. They shouldn’t be able to buy a carton of eggs without their handlers approval. The problem is progressives still want to help pay bills hand them a check, which the rich know won’t work. No Nikes. No Dodge Chargers. Food, clothes, housing, healthcare, and that is it. Put them on a ration/curfew system and that opposition would fall away.
It's perfectly fair that you pay others for the right to exist simply because they happened to be here before you and didn't let compassion or morality cripple them. It's also completely justified that they raise prices regularly because they have more meaningful things to splurge on than your cheap life. Likewise, it makes perfect that you can earn income only by the means they allow and block any paths they don't like. Clearly they know better. You should be glad you can still inhale carbon dioxide free of charge and stop whining about the small stuff
>>24939951>doesn't know what the upper class isJust another ranting incoherent faggot. Nothing to see here.
>>24939957Your life is easier than any past generation could have ever hoped for. All because of improvements in technology.
>>24939959America was actually at its greatest when we taxed the rich btw
Crazy how Plato knew that the base point to having a stable society was home ownership and now were seeing military's and countries collapse from the inside because there's no patriotism to a country you don't have a home in.
>>24939969Life is unfair, that's not the fault of billionaires, that's just the life you were born into. Understanding this will go a long way into making it tolerable in the long run.
>>24939976Thank god billionaires invented all great these technologies, like computers.
>>24939984and thank god you can use it to bitch all day
>>24939959why are you quoting me with a more convoluted version of my question?esl+AI?
>>24939976And the fags in charge of that technology shoukd now control everything in our society? No, get fucked. And if you are one of those sociopathic tech bros I hope you get raped and beheaded by your next big ai robot.
>>24939988Why are you asking a stupid question?
>>24939989When has society never been controlled by religion or culture? Seems like you live in some pie in the sky utopia.
>>24939979The sumerians kinew that debt eventually spiralled out of control so they introduced debt forgiving jubilees and the tyrant forgave all the debts after he gained power
>>24939993Theres also always been some semblance of.a balance of power. Now we just have a shadow government controlled by billionaires.
>>24939978It was at its greatest when it didn't have a central bank
>wahh wahh you can't do thatThese retards are everywhere, restrained by emotions and morals, they deserve to be stupidly manipulated by rules. What’s sadder is that when they see others not being restrained, they jump out and criticize, trying to impart these morals onto others, not allowing others to have more freedom than them. In this process, they even enjoy this ridiculous "moral superiority".These people, they may have talent and connection, and some may even have greater intelligence, but for what? They are just pawns, merely restrained dogs. What truly stalls a person’s success is not talent, but mindset. Any organization, once a person is born, imparts their morals and rules, constantly brainwashing them. Those that want to surpass humanity’s achievements have to break this restraint on their mindset. Sadly, most people are trapped by this their entire lives, using "morality" as motivation, their chained collar a symbol of pride.
>>24940001And where are the sumerians now nigger? That's right their gay little empires collapsed while America stands proud.
>>24940002No there hasn't. And this is why you retards never read history. Every major political organization ranging from the monarchy to a democratic political party exists because of someone's money. From the roman empire to 2025. The difference, social media has made this knowledge possible to you, because you never bothered to read history.
>>24939764You can only convince people to act against their own self interest to the extent that you reward them for it. If you fuck them over too hard with too few rewards, they're simply not going to work for you anymore. Which, in society, means they turn to crime and physical violence.In other words, all stick and no carrot doesn't end well.
>>24940013>standsits more of a fentlean at this point
>>24940019Americans enjoy an improved quality of life compared to someone in africa, there's a reward for you. You get to look down on everyone else and this is why nothing will change because you already have a sense of pride in your nationality and anyone who hears you complaining will remind how privileged you are.
>>24940017And? Eventually people are gonna refuse to accept the status quo if its gotten so bad they can no longer fulfill basic needs.
Change is impossible due to nuclear blackmail. Things can only get worse.
>>24940035What people? You'll be replaced by desperate and willing immigrants who will outcompete you because you are too busy complaining about your privileges.
>>24940043Lol. We both know the immigrants are gonna start bitching eventually too. People arent stupid. They know when theyre getting fucked over.
>>24940031Lording over the poors only works as an incentive if you can actually see and interact with them. Africa might as well be on mars for this purpose.Besides, those dogshit countries directly prove my point. Juntas and coups and failed states don’t come out of nowhere. They’re what happens when you mismanage reward/punishment.
>>24940019Inequality does not necessarily mean destitution for the working class. The working class has the highest standard of living in human history right now despite the existence or even growth of overall inequality.
>>24940047Immigrants know they can't complain because of what trump is doing now. They vote for him, they lose, they vote for kamala, they lose. Most immigrants don't complain. The few you see on tv have nothing to lose, the rest are too busy earning and sending money home, whatever money they make, and they are very grateful for that opportunity, and they make sure their children understand.
>>24940051And i am telling you, that's exactly why nothing of the scale you imagine will ever happen. Because intrisically you believe you are better, so everyone's going to be lazy about any revolution. Technology is too powerful, it will daze and drug you into comfort long before you can amass a gathering large enough for any meaningful change, and your opposition will be crushed in kind by the same technology that can recommend what you buy for breakfast.
>>24939418good goy
>>24940055The nature of life is competition. The drive is to beat those around you, not acquire some arbitrary level of resources. There would be riots in a world where everyone is rich, but the truly rich are quadrillions of times richer than the rest.Though obviously, neither total equality or total inequality is possible because the nature of life is, again, competition. If you go too far to either extreme, incentives towards anti-social behaviors become too large to resist. People will take from others until equality/inequality reaches a semi-stable state.
>>24940121>semi-stable stateSocialists will try to convince you that they can accurately measure this because someone in their social circle became homeless. In truth, there's more inequality btn america and the rest of the world, than there is btn america's low and upper classes. Inequality here meaning access to basic services like food, medicare, housing, etc. and not notional monetary value.
>>24939404living costs are also unfairly distributed, so who cares. rich countries are rich, whatever
>>24939415>Money can't buy you happiness.I too believe that the money of the super-rich does not make them happy.but we can buy a couple of rooms for our two sons and daughter and pay for their sports clubs and college tuition with help of money.
>>24940150>rich countries are richWhat's so rich about them if they don't even ensure that every family has a demographic minimum of three children? One son to replace his father.A daughter to replace her mother. The third child is in case of death from covid, from war, or from revolution or from an Islamic terrorist act. The importation of people from other countries by supposedly rich countries is a sign of poverty in these countries.
>>24940062>>24940144How would you have felt yesterday evening if you hadn’t eaten breakfast or lunch?
>>24939404I hate to break it to you, but you're almost certainly part of the global 10% if not the global 1%. Most people globally have 0 or negative net wealth. That's why you can make headlines like that
>>24940168the average wage in a poor country buys less in a rich country, and the average wage in a rich country buys more in a poor country. that's what i mean
>>24940171your mom made me breakfast, ask her
>>24939404
>>24939404>So what books are useful to understand this phenomenonWealth inequality in the West and overbreeding due to charity distributions to the third world. Simple as.
>>24939764Because its literally theft.
>>24939780Why so stupid?>>24939790>ZimbabweHow about New York City. Home of millionaires and homeless>>24939825>If the poor got rich I'd have to pay more for stuffYou have the mind of a brick>>24939764You like that those with all the money can get away with breaking every law they feel like, while you and the rest of the poors must obey the cops, even when you didn't do anything wrong, you get sent to prison. This is good? You like that?
>>24940246You like that a lion hunts gazelles for food, what can you do about it? Some people are born dumb, some people smart. That will never change. That's life, not some random billionaire's fault. Deal with it or get eaten.
>>24939404Eustace Mullins - Secrets of the Federal Reservehttps://archive.org/details/pdfy-LzPJrXY17uzk3bu9/mode/1up
>>24939415Agreed, but this is only true once a decent basic level of welfare is reached. To flourish as a human you only need food, a roof above your head, healthcare, and time to spend on leisure or personal pursuits. If that 0.001% held those resources without affecting the rest of society, there would be no problem. But money is not a resource, its a metric for resource allocation. Such an accumulation of wealth happens because wealth is used to generate more wealth (this is what capitalism is, after all), and this means that all that wealth is used to speculate on agricultural land, the housing market, healthcare providers, insurance, universities, news broadcasts, entertainment industries, etc, causing inflation, unaffordable housing markets, shorter lifespans, more anxiety, longer working days and less leisure to make ends meet, worse education, and the hollowing out of culture through commodification.
>>24940236"b..bu...but taxes are too":'( incoming from the rightoids
>>24940274Speculation ensures there's enough liquidity to make markets fluid enough. Basically there's no argument you can make about money's benefit that can't be refutred because you live in a world where you benefit from what increased money supply provides. You are not angry at billionaires, you are just jealous you are not one of them.
>>24939415It buys slaves
>>24940254>Some people are born dumbNo. They're given Hep B shots to make them dumbThey used to just rely on the factory schooling to train them to be dumb, but then TV, computers and vidya games helped it along.No. Absolutely not. The dumbness of people are a design from those in power.It can change, it should change, but you're so sure your masters are right you will make sure we never even try, right? Well, fuck you.
>>24939404It's just a natural result of economies of scale. You have a global economy, it's going to have basically the same number of big winners as a small town, just those people are going to win by a /lot/ more. None of this money is actually real. Elon Musk is the richest man because we all agree to buy his stock shares (that he creates out of thin air) for a set price, that makes him "worth" so much. So blame the boomers and speculators.The real issue, and I'm going to keep beating this drum till I die even though nobody wants to hear it, is your average upper-class boomer living in a small town owning five or six houses and complaining about the 'billionaires' while having none of the nobless obligee of previous landed aristocracies. People being fantastically wealthy doesn't really effect you and I doubt someone like Musk is spending their time conspiring how to suck out every bit of wealth from the American middle class anyways, they're probably on the island getting their dick sucked by barely legals. The problem is a society of selfish people who don't actually see society as 'their problem' because you can just blame the shadowy billionaires for everything. It's the /pol/tards who want everything to be a grand jewish conspiracy because actually organizing on a grassroots level is hard and their opinions aren't popular. It's the leftists who are all too happy to institute an apartheid system against their own children then cannot grasp why young men are turning to the extreme right. It's the incels and femcels who would rather complain nurture maladaptive romantic fantasies rather than engage with the opposite gender as fucking human beings. Mankind is it's own worst enemy. Myself included.
>>24940279Taxes arent theft. They are just the rent the weak pay the strong to not literally be eaten. Make of that what you will.
>>24940309Resentment ideology is lame.
>>24940274What we need is distributism ensuring a basic QoL regardless of economies of scale.Look at what China, Singapore, etc. have. They lease land for 90 year terms. Make it a depreciating asset. In Japan you can rent an apartment (small, crappy, but your own and without roomates) for about US$400.Give every man the right to lease a home for less than a new car, and introduce some french style regulations to bring back rural farming economies (because we need more inefficiency if we are going to preserve any kind of employment going into the future, and idk about you but I'm sick of eating modified corn solids and food colouring). Break up large land holdings. Get the unemployed off the bread lines and in their garages tinkering on shit.Then you can have the ultrarich taking private rocket trips into space and building their underground bunker lolita harems. Just let the normies live their own normie life, that's all that's needed.
>>24940254>being born into money magically makes you smarter 100% of the timelol (at you not with you)
>>24940289Very lazy and disingenuous to just strawman every complaint about wealth inequality on personal jealousy. I am not angry 'at' billionaires, i have no resentment towards them. I am angry at a system that results in such a lopsided wealth distribution. And just because i am currently in such a system, and that system requires speculation on basic human needs in order to run efficiently, does not mean i cannot critique that system.
>>24940341>I am angry at a system that results in such a lopsided wealth distributionSo the internet? Global supply lines that allow corporations to sell to billions of consumers? Intellectual property laws that allow people to sell intangible ideas as products?
>>24940341Your critique ignores benefits, so its not genuine.
>>24940334If you can keep that money, yes you are smart. But that money will always find the smartest people if you can't.
The cream will always rise to the top. Marxists will never be able to grasp this fundamental truth and that is why they will always fail miserably.
>>24940346who says it does? Read the communist manifesto and the first half is it listing the benefits of capitalism
>>24940362>He's comparing the modernist world's social structure to his expiring milk.>Forces Marx back into the conversationThere are o course better thinkers, but they beat your idiot rotted brain's misconceptions, so you avoid mentioning any.
>>24939764Because it’s both the symptom and a partial cause of a cabal of globalist kleptocrats conglomerating not only the resources and productive endowment of your national economy but of the global economy as a whole? Stuff like the Panama papers demonstrates that these people have nothing but contempt for nations to the point they are longterm siphoning off all the wealth and risking western states becoming failed states.
>>24939764It isn't good or bad. It's simply a fact of life.
>>24940082>muh jooz>estimation>counting a whole family as a single entity>counting some proxies just because they're jooz tooPeak midwit.
>>24939471If you think taxing the rich does anything then one good starting point is learning how statistical distribution occurs in nature. The Bell Curve is one starting point for that but like some other guy said the Pareto principle is more relevant.In this reality, not just this planet but this entire universe you will always get something like wealth inequality.If we get specific then we're talking about fiat. It's not a finite resource, you don't get fewer hamburgers for your token because some faggot has trillions of tokens, unless he spends them all on hamburgers every day for years.In practice, instead of buying millions of hamburgers they create new industries around luxury hamburgers, 200ft fiberglass luxury hamburgers.
>>24940246>You have the mind of a brickHey, I know a brick that's smarter than you.
>>24940377You're thinking of migration
>>24940229
>>24940377>Some people are short>Socialists want to make everyone the same height!People still think this is what inequality means?
>>24940384You lost in '45, tranny>lolcommies2Pathetic
>>24940377>billionaires hiding 20-30 trillion dollars in off shore accounts is simply a fact of lifeWhy are there so many cucks for the glutinous hyper wealthy on here/rightist circles in general? Some of these people want to enserf if not enslave you.
>>24939415fpbp
>>24940082>when you're too retarded to read chris hedges or douglas valentine so you have to settle for wikipedia articles encased in webcomics
>>24940362Who would you say is worthier cream: Botticelli or the Medicis who paid him? Is the top to which the cream should rise Beauty, or ruthless mercantilism and politicking?
If I am poor, I am a socialist.If I am rich, I am a capitalist.
>>24940371Your concept about what money is, is itself lopsided towards what money should be. It ignores what money actually does today. Same socialist/marxist playbook argument, ignoring today and idealizing the future at the expense of everything else including the recent past.
>>24940414There's beauty in ruthlessness if you don't expect it, these are not static qualities, they change with time, geography and culture.
>>24940392You can't even begin to articulate what's bad about people being rich so all of you always resort to these tired attempts at emotional manipulation. You can't even pretend to base the manipulation in something vaguely related to reality like an actual criminal case. A trillion in an "off shore account" is meaningless nonsense and if you find a hidden trillion dollars somewhere and use it to fund government spending it's in every relevant way equivalent to printing the money, except likely worse since nobody will use it to buy a trillion dollar yacht.
>>24940381>muh pareto principle means that the global crime syndicate has the natural right to hoard tens of trillions in off shore accounts doing fuck allWithout any doubt, this board is the most clueless and retarded when it comes to anything about political economy.
>>24940416Interesting how the only way you seem to be able to make arguments is to assume people hold a certain belief you made up and then endlessly insist that belief is wrong and that therefore you must be right. Very tiresome.
>>24940415retard
>>24940424>He consume media owned by billionaires who tell him other billionaires are criminals, and he believes itlmao.
Anarchists cookbook. books on asymmetric warfare, guerilla warfare, that sort of thing.You don't thinkcel over this shit. The only response is violence.For now, do your part to accelerate the death of capitalism. First we wreck the real estate market. Then everything else topples with it. Then we put the rich fucks heads on pikes. There's no negotiation to be done. No diplomacy. Only violence and chaos. Burn the system to the ground. A great cleansing WILL happen soon.
>>24940427Interesting that you don't have any refutations other than quoting dead irrelevant academics.
>>24940423I mean this sincerely: kill yourself. But before doing so, read up on the Panama papers, realize there’s a global crime syndicate nested in high finance and corporations undermining western & international prosperity and tax laws, and upon realizing the scale of your inescapable retardation, the decision to suck start a shotgun should be as apparent to even an idiot of your magnitude.
>>24940424Why would an honest, sincere person who really wants to figure the world out conflate some made up fantasy crime with being rich?Taxes are murder. Deport the poor.
>>24940430And you wonder why you are poor? Did some billionaire make you psychotic?
>>24940384>He whacks of to this after all these yearspoltard...
>>24940382Yeah, I know the brick I threw into your head
>>24940436>read up on the Panama papersI will never believe anyone embodying a well known stereotype this fully isn't parody.You never "read up" on anything in your life, maybe reddit.
>>24940438You are either a shill, a bot, or irredeemably uninformed. Either way, shut the fuck up.https://apmdd.org/the-pandora-papers-expose-hoarding-wealth-amidst-global-hunger-and-uncertainties/
>>24940421Interesting thesis. What do you mean? I assume you don't think there is beauty in ruthlessly getting your teeth kicked in? I can see ruthlessness being beautiful in a performance (i.e a situation the viewer is not affected by the ruthlessness in question) but that kind of controlled spectating also contradicts the ruthlessness itself.
>>24940458If I don't then someone else will, that's the point. People go to national parks to see animals hunt each other, its not so different with humans.
>>24940440Who said im poor?
>>24940246>>If the poor got rich I'd have to pay more for stuff>You have the mind of a brickI love it when Marxtrannies try to do economics. Very, very basic economics.
>>24940446>being told to research something I am clueless about is a well known stereotype>because I am too retarded to read and research, nobody has EVER done so themselves Are you professionally retarded or something, or acting out of pure bad faith malice? The only value in responding at this point is to make you double and triple down on what is either pure retardation or automatic astroturfing for everyone to see and laugh at.Again, suck start a shotgun. Preferably on a live stream for us
>>24940391>>24940442>the triggering is real
>>24940464So ruthlessness is beautiful as long as youre in a privileged position to remain unaffected by it.Going back to the original point, I dont think anyone in 15th century Florance was really in a position to see the ruthlessness unaffected besides the Medici themselves, and currently we are not in a position to see the ruthlessness at all, only its historical traces. We can go to a museum and look at a Botticelli though.
>>24940414Would Botticelli have made those great works without the support of wealthy patrons? I suspect not.
Zero chances threads like these aren’t being hit by bots.
>>24940486So back to my original question then, is the cream at the top the guy who made those great works or the guy who paid for them?
>>24940480No, humans joke even while in pain, so you can acknowledge while on the receiving end. Being able to do that shows you are a healthy person who understands their place in the world. And we are in a position to see, what do you the left hates trump so much and make jokes about how dumb the right are. Its appreciating that these people fucked them over, also the right making fun of biden, other people making fun of how fucked america is that it has to choose btn trump and biden, making fun of how america still gets to fuck the world financially even with a degenerate political class.
>>24940495The guy who paid for them.
>>24940384https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&ghost=false&search_text=&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=Lolcommies2&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_media_hash=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_res=postVery authentic and real posters ITT
>>24940495They are both creams at the top for being able to exchange value with each other when no one thought there was value at the time. This is not some dichotomy set in stone.
>>24940490The pro-inequality crowd are bots and jeets
>>24940521You’d think they’d have a little extra pocket change to spare on convincing bots/shills given the trillions being hidden in offshore accounts. Instead you have absurdities stooping to levels as low as this >>24940446
>>24940471>He thinks economics is a science >He believes in the almighty dollar like christians believe in jesus>Dumb-laughing monkey>Can't think outside the debt cycle Life without money would flourish and end the slave market
>>24940415This.
>>24940521I'm Romanian
>>24940554>I'm subhumanWe already knew that.
>>24940556I didn't post in this thread until just now and this is how I am treated?
>>24940521Why are you blaming us instead of your fat pigskin boomer dad that kicked you out your house when you were 18 and spends his spare time blocking new housing developments?
>>24940577ntaNot a very good argument. To a really low argument. Not a bot? What's your excuse? You are Indian? You support that caste system?
>>24940316i make of that that if you think this is true it is in fact theft, dumbass
anthropological anachronisms shouldn't breed beyond their not even Iron Age under developed populations; Westphalian nicities exist to maintain gentlemen's agreements to not go full colonial free for all. Entire countries of drug addicts - like Yemen - inducing trillions in trade loss are rapidly proving themselves to be expendable, by measurably retarding our assault on the Stars.
>>24940521>>24940531Present your fucking position retards. What is bad about wealth inequality?Diverting the question to talking about tax fraud and imaginary scenarios that have nothing to do with the question means you can't even pretend to think.Not being able to think is pretty bad but you can't even pretend, you have no clue what it would look like.
>>24939404>poorest half of humanitythe posters in this thread have hundreds, if not thousands of times the wealth of the entire north sentinelese race
>>24940472>because I am too retarded to read and researchThe thing I heard clueless retards like you regurgitating propaganda articles about constantly for over a decade now?Are you going to talk about how cool socialist Iceland locked up the hecking bankers next?
>>24940518Yeah, you can keep your viruses, faggot.
>>24940543That's an ape, you retard.And the prosperity of all humanity rocketed after the invention of money.
>>24940490>Zero chances threads like these aren’t being created by bots.ftfy
>absurd and constantly consolidating financial oligarchy dominates the history of the 18th-21st centuries>periodically, movements like socialism/communism, national socialism/national syndicalism/fascism, and neoclassical republicanism (with varying shades of distributism) attempt to overthrow it forcefully>massive global war results from the last great attempt>the powers representing oligarchy/finance are former ruthless imperial/colonial states that now brand themselves as the guardians of "liberty" and "individual rights" >mass "democracy" (with constantly declining voter turnouts and massified, retarded, atomized, immiserated populations) is branded as the natural vehicle of "liberty" and "individual rights" >declining real growth in all these countries, paralleled by massive growth of financial oligarchy>fascist and communist powers try to carve out a geopolitical space that is not subject to financial interference and effective vassalization by the "liberal" powers (global financial oligarchy), effectively trying to create a multipolar world>this is unacceptable to the global financial oligarchy, which wants a unipolar hegemony>it allies first opportunistically with the communist states against fascism, the more dynamic power>then when fascism is defeated militarily, it isolates the communist states until they implode >in the new order dominated by the unipolarly hegemonic global financial oligarchy, it is presented "self-evident" (if you disagree you are an unperson) that good governance = "liberalism" = rights of individual self-expression = global post-industrial financial capitalism = mass democracy "wisely overseen" by financial oligarchs and their captured institutions (see: quigley's Anglo-American Establishment, Powell Memorandum, Citigroup plutonomy memos, Lippmann's Public Opinion)>it is also "self-evident" that only gradualist meliorist "social democracy" is allowed to exist as an alternative, but it must exist as a subordinate organelle within this neoliberal synthesis >"social democratic" movements just so happen to be 1% labor focused, 99% focused on neoliberal individualist expressivism >discourse critical of the new order must focus on individualist self-expression too (gay rights, women's rights, minority rights) >labor organization has historically taken nationalist form, and nationalism has historically tended toward socialism/distributism, so it is also made "self-evident" that mass immigration (scab labor) = good and moral, on the logic "immigrants are just individuals trying to express themselves" >internationalist socialists are allowed to continue existing in captured institutions (academia, bohemian counterculture that props up neoliberalism and post-industrial capitalist consumerism) >women = individuals expressing themselves = citizens = voters, but women also = "nice," ideal advocates for "can't we all just be nice and let everyone express themselves and eat tasty food?" neoliberal synthesis
>>24940655>women thus forced into workplaces (traditional monogamous christian families propagandized against to enable this), forcibly politicized, to ensure muddling of political discourse among traditional originators of genuinely radical movements (middle-class men with high conscientiousness, families, modest property, and savings as buttresses against impecunity and thus precarity) >original middle class that supported fascist/communist alternatives to new world order begins to dissolve into neurotic consumerism and hedonism, fails to reproduce itself >mass immigration provides endless flow of scab labor>also provides an unintegrated, chaotic underclass that can increase the neuroticism and bunker mentality of the dying middle class >already dying middle class now ground between unaccountable chaotic underclass AND unaccountable financial overclass (see: Sam Francis' "anarchotyranny")>every city becomes the same dystopian hive-city >pornography and prolefeed become 99% of entertainment>everyone is in "therapy" >everyone is in massive debt, all money funnels up systemically to oligarchy >everyone is on drugs of some kind, usually multiple, yet still unhappy>total depoliticization of the middle class>decades into this nightmare, a few protest movements begin to address it sloppily>oligarchy reacts with authoritarian doubling-down on civic religion of "can't we all just express ourselves as individuals??? why are you so obsessed??? touch grass, why are you so weird???" shaming >mild, inconsistent neopopulist movements arise >right-wing versions still hopelessly muddled by depoliticized, distracted, deracinated, effectively retarded populace that can only express its desire for "anything other than this" with roughly the level of sophistication of an 1840s serf wondering why Daddy Tsar hasn't told the mean gentry to stop being so mean>left-wing versions utterly fucked by generations of a) "communism is when you can be gay and brown if you want to" and b) "marx and lenin only wanted communism to happen after 1000 years of international worker friendship and the slow gradualist dissolution of nations, NOT BEFORE!!! NOOOOOO DON'T HAVE A NATIONALIST SOCIAL MOVEMENT LIKE THE CHARTISTS NOOOO MARX HATED THE CHARTISTS HE ONLY WANTED A 12,000-YEAR WITHERING AWAY OF THE STATE, KEEP BUYING LIZARD KEYCHAINS AND BEING IN QUEER POLYCULES!!!! MARX REALLY WANTED DELEUZIAN INDIVIDUALIST ANARCHISM, NOT BLANQUISM!!!! LOOK LOOK HE'S CRITICAL OF BLANQUISM, THAT MEANS IF EVEN A SINGLE BOURGEOIS DIES IN THE REVOLUTION IT'S NOT REAL COMMUNISM!!!!!" There are only two outcomes possible in the 21st century: 1) 1984-style division of the world into countries that look like the current CCP's surveillance state and feel like living in contemporary Belarus or Brazil, as Silicon Valley "NRxers" shore up the Eternal '90s version of the oligarchy and instantiate its new technocratic form 2) Fascism but even angrier this time
>>24940655>>24940657I ain't reading all this schizobabble
>>24940630Before get around to suck starting that shotgun, do you have anything else embarrassing to say on how you refuse to use the internet to look up basic information on widely reported and detailed international scandals?
>>24940642>I haven’t used the archives beforeStay manipulated by shameless bots
>>24939404>So what books are useful to understand this phenomenon and advocate for some kind of change?for fucks sake the Communist Manifesto has been around for nearly 200 years
>>24940274>and this means that all that wealth is used to speculateTrue, we call that investing and it usually results in more resources being created>causing inflationOh I seeYou're retarded, sorry
>>24940657You left out the third and fourth and most logical outcomes: world domination under posthuman techno-capital or a nuclear holocaust
>>24940543>like christians believe in jesusHey, you're the one who's shilling for a Magic Jew.
>>24940672The number of retards on the literature board who can’t be bothered to read a few paragraphs is disgusting. Really shows in the level of discussion. Know your place.
>>24940727reading is just a boring side quest to getting laid tbqfhwyf
>>24940743I bet you get laid off many times
>>24940646The first statement is categorically trueThe second is a commonly believed lieMoney was invented to stratify the life of city-states and keep a ruling class who thought themselves divinely higher if not outright deities.Money is to keep you indebted. The prosperity of the modern age is from human ingenuity and the bribery of recent political thought. All this talk of liberty and such fell flat in the face of states rights over their workforces. Read a book, bingo. >>24940716>A magic jewI am not. You must mean Marx. I am not a Marxist. He thought economics was a science. He wrote a book about capital he liked it so much. No. I know we can do without money. We would be better off without it.
>>24940379>>24940412>so mad he replied twice with 2016+ newfag buzzphrasesThanks for bumping my post.
>>24940765Those city-states were already stratified. There have always been rich and poor. The fact remains that you are richer now than the highest potentates of the ancient world, due to advancements in technology and production, driven by the pursuit of ... money.
>>24939404Improvised munitions handbook.
>>24940799
>>24939404Things will never change until the intelligence agencies, underground military-industrial-complex lairs and defense contractor facilities are stormed and the glowniggers and parasites who work there are executed and the data they collect is leaked to the public so that the rest of these government assets, zogbots, mercenaries, glorified jannies and authority figures can be hunted down and exterminated.
>>24940804Reading the communist manifesto isnt going to change shit.
>>24940796>There have always been rich and poor.False.>The fact It's false. You have been lied to. I'd also like to point out the hinderance the state has put on human ingenuity. They suppressed Tesla and a whole long line of great inventors. If not for these bastards we would have advanced beyond your imagination. I'm not kidding. The gatekeepers of money and state domination drove some of them to the poorhouse, others to prison and plenty have been killed for trying to tell the world of their inventions.
>>24940818So never then.
rich people have more fake imaginary currency than poor people have fake imaginary currencyftfy
>>24939404Please read Austrian school economics, just ignore the monetary theory of Mises and adopt the liquidity preference theory instead. >but they are joos serving the jewry>but that teaches you to bootlick capitalistsAgain, please read Austrian school economics. It'll be fine, you will be the same person with the difference that you'll understand. You can all start with picrel. Now I'm going to invest my time with actual literature and leave this thread. I can afford to do so, since I understand shit, but you have lots of homework to do.
>>24940826Austrian economics is drivel that helped spawned neoliberalism and neutered generations of cuckservatives into conflating capitalism with free markets. Reading this will unironically turn you into a Blackrock supporting shitlib. Nobody takes it serious.
>>24940826>you have lots of homework to do>recommends a shitty short book the most retarded of lolitarians get through and regurgitate
>>24940857>Austrian economics is *fundamentally misunderstands austrian economics with buzzwords*EveryTime
>>24940857>heh, that's shit, muh christcucks and lolberts plus I'm a based vril tiktok consumer, formerly a libertarian but you know that libertarian to fascist pipeline now I'm a social darwinist hegelian you know, big state and all, sovereignty with thulean characteristicsStop watching vril tiktok and pick a book, retard. >>24940860I recommend the book that suits the average iq ITT. The Human Action could provoke countless aneurisms.
>>24940908>His faith has been insulted.
>>24940908>>24940916Don’t you have ayn rand threads to shill in desperate attempts to proliferate atomized individualism?
>>24940955I don't care much about Ayn Rand
>>24939404>WAAAAAAAH MOMMY I DONT KNOW HOW TO MAKE MONEY AND I AM UNLUCKY WITH 0 VALUABLE IDEAS OF MY OWN WHILE PEOPLE WITH THESE TRAITS MAKE TONS OF MONEY WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHYou will never see this change in your lifetime or many lifetimes in the future or possibly ever, cope with the hand you were dealt, your shortcomings and your inability to succeed in this global system or continue whining that it isn't your fault
>>24940982>If you're tired of being exploited don't change the system of exploitation, just become an exploiter!-You are not a temporarily embarrassed millionaire.-You are nowhere near the 1%-You have more in common with a trashpicking child in a third world slum than a billionaire-Senpai Elon will never notice you, no matter how hard you lick his shoes worth more than your monthly income
>>24941005Your view of exploiter/exploited is fundamentally incorrect and doesn't survive any scrutiny
>>24941005I don't like elon musk, he is annoying. You will never change the system and it's a waste of time to bother, go larp as a revolutionary irl and try to not get killed by the feds, be my guest but I will just make my money and live a normal life. Also your entire perception of society is absurdly simplistic as the other anon mentioned.
>>24941016Nobody earns billions of dollars, they exploit labor, monetize basic human needs and bulldoze nature to get it.
>>24941027You are damaging nature right now by communicating using a pc/phone, you harmed children by buying clothes and food made from sweatshop labor and slavetrades in the 3rd world, you pay tax dollars to a government that bombs people regularly, guess you are evil and a oppressor.
>>24941027So what? My life is comfy and my families lives are comfy. I don't give a FUCK about anyone else.
>>24941033>I wish I wasnt living in a feudal slave system>Yet you are forced to consume what we sell in this feudal slave system. Checkmate!
>>24939957>life is hard for most of the populationhas literally always been the case everywhere in all times
>>24941039this desu
>>24941027>Nobody earns billions of dollarsWhat's the cutoff when it begins to become exploitation and why is it that specific number?
>>24941040Hey, you contribute! You sick oppressor! You might as well go live offgrid. Continue seething online about muh heckin billionaires and how they ruined your life or something.
>>24941040According to Sartre just existing in society without advocating sufficiently for Algerian nafri chads makes you literally Hitler.
>>24941033Remember that time that dude wanted his people to have a fair share when it came to the bananas and an American company funded death squads to kill the fuck out of him for it?
>>24941045Remember that time America was indifferent to the Cuban Revolution until they wanted a fair price for their sugar cane and then they tried to kill Castro hundreds of times?
>>24940414as a hand is lifeless as wood without a mind to move it, so is the technique of the craftsman as masturbation without a sovereign to guide it
>>24941050>>24941054motherfuckers out here pretending going against the system isnt literally a death sentence
>>24940613malthus is a riding crop for the leviathan
>>24939404Capital vol. 1 - Karl Marx
>>24940121>He's a darwinistGross
>ITT
>>24940464Jesus Christ the 'le law of the jungle' comparisons are so overdone its nauseating. Humans dont live in the wild and they arent wild animals. The reason the human species has survived and thrived for as long as it has is because we've decided to work, live, and operate together as a collective unit. The rich today want to betray that formula by actively making war on the working class and taking everything for themselves. Imo theyve broken every rule of the social contract and should be expelled from society or executed. >>24940486There were at least a dozen rich banking families who could have supported him but there was only one Botticelli
>>24941039Damn bro is so cool! He just doesn't give a FUCK. Look at how cool and edgy he is!
>>24941119>The rich today want to betray that formula by actively making war on the working class The rich are doing precisely what you described>and taking everything for themselvesOh so you believe in the fixed pie theory of economics to boot.If only it wasn't disproven by the fact that the population grows yet we are not starving...> we've decided to work, live, and operate together as a collective unitWhich is why they offer paycheck in exchange for labour, something that has been happening for thousands of years>Imo theyve broken every rule of the social contract lmaoLe fucking social contractBut even if I were to take this shit seriously, which I shouldn't, please explain which rules they have broken and how.
>>24940622Not that guy, but it distorts market logic towards the desires of a very small group of people rather than serving the democratic interests of the whole. This also applies on a moral level, where wealth has an even more corrosive effect.The fact is that there are a great many wealthy people who have never had to be likeable, clever, charming, or underhanded in their life. If for no other reason, it's a tragedy for them and their own personal development.
>>24941105The left can't meme
>>24941139This is an interesting topic. The Right is incapable of creating art. The Left creates art. This is not debatable. History bears it out. However, in this one small area the Right is capable and The Left is abysmally bad. Why are memes the exception to the rule?
>>24941144>This is not debatableIts extremely debateable. Conversely so.
>>24941137>but it distorts market logicNot at allMarket logic follows precisely the same logic it always followsPerhaps your understanding of the market is where the issue stems from> serving the democratic interests of the wholeYep, that's definitely where the issue stems from. The market is freedom, not democracy. Those are two different things. The market is not supposed to serve the democratic interest of anything, it's not a democracy and it never was.If I buy an hotdog from a hotdog stand because I value the hotdog more than the 3 dollars its going to cost me, both parties implicitly agree on the trade. It's not democratic, democratic would imply that everyone gets a say if I can buy said hotdog, and that I should hold a global referendum to see if the people allow me to buy an hotdog.But thankfully its a free, not a democratic process, therefore as long as I value the hotdog, and the cook values my 3 dollars, the trade can go forthThe market is a system of mutual cooperation but it is not democratic.
>>24941144Its because the right got tired of being under the boot of commies.
>>24941144>This is not debatable
>>24941149>>24941153I can see that your autism is acting up badly at this truth so lets pretend I didn't say it. Just focus on the question. Why is the Left so terrible at memeing while the Right is excellent at it?
>>24941151Okay, it distorts outcomes of market logic then. The market increasingly caters to the needs and interests of the few and no longer to the many. One result of this is, ironically, the death of specialties. Niche trades cannot survive in a market that revolves around serving the desires of a few dozen billionaires.Which is bad. It's good to have a dynamic market which is able to fund new enterprises, and by extension, novel art movements, technologies, innovations and so on.
>>24941144>Trans rights are human rights. This is not debatable.
>>24941136>something that has been happening for thousands of yearsNo thats not something thats been happening for thousands of years. For the vast majority of human history most people were subsistence farmers or independent workers. The 9 to 5, slave all day for a paycheck from your oligarchic overlords is a development of industrialization. I love how billionaire bootlickers pretend to know it all then betray they know dick about human history.
>>24941161>Okay, it distorts outcomes of market logic thenBut it doesn'tThe market tends to follow demand, but if its causes by economical means it's not distortionDistortion can only be caused by violent intervention, which is 90% caused by those who hold the absolute monopoly on violence: the state>One result of this is, ironically, the death of specialties. Niche trades cannot survive in a market that revolves around serving the desires of a few dozen billionaires.Niche trades cannot survive because they are squashed by regulations and taxesIf that is NOT the case, than they wouldn't survive without billionaires too: it means they are so niche there is no demand. A lack of billionaires would not make a demand for your favorite niche thing appear out of the blue. You would have to enforce its existence via state violence, probably by stealing wealth and reallocating it, making it an economically non-efficient enterprise that makes everyone poorer for its existence (as it uses up more resources than it creates, and the resources it uses are stolen to boot)An absolutely abhorrent idea behind which lies the failure of every planned economy ever.>Which is bad. It's good to have a dynamic market which is able to fund new enterprisesOnly possible in capitalism, since a planned economy has no means to judge where to allocate funds beyond vague feelings.
>>24941169I didn't say everyone was an employee, I said that working for money has always happened, because its included in what you consider mutual cooperation, thus cooperate "as a collective unit" as you call it.>I love how billionaire bootlickers pretend to know it all then betray they know dick about human history.I love when posters from the literature board prove to be too illiterate to read a post of just a few sentences.Embarrassing.
>>24941094The refrain of the loser, marked for extinction.
>>24940655>Citigroup plutonomy memosWow, these are super illuminating, too bad there’s too many abject retards and petite bourgeois subhumans who won’t bother to read up on thishttp://politicalgates.blogspot.com/2011/12/citigroup-plutonomy-memos-two-bombshell.html?m=1
>>24940822>>There have always been rich and poor.>False.Demonstrably true in all mammalian societies. There is always an alpha male who gets to eat first ,or takes his pick of the spoils.
>>24940381Thia is such a bad argument. While some degree of inequality has always and will always exist, the fact still remains that inequality has risen since the economy was reconstructed in the 70s and 80s to benefit the wealthy. How does the Pareto principle / Bell Curve (1) provide a normative justification for this state of affairs and (2) explain the increase in wealth inequality (especially in light of the reasons just considered)?
>>24940622The full empowerment of an international cabal of kleptocrats who own and dominate your economy while simultaneously seizing state institutions while hiding trillions overseas? And there is no imaginary scenario here, corporation’s already pay low marginal tax rates and the Panama and pandora leaks demonstrate that trillions are being funneled through tax havens and hidden in offshore accounts. Why do you think Apple is incorporated in fucking Ireland? Your baffonishness is fully born out in >>24941151 where you actually think the macroeconomy operates on idealist market dynamics, when it’s entirely driven by cutthroat domination and consolidation to monopolize markets and control prices. Peter Thiel, the man who proclaimed competition is for losers, champions the cornering of markets in his book Zero to One, specifically that one should capture last mover market advantages so that one can monopolize a product or service and set prices and the rate of profit from it. Sometimes this is buttress by corrupt government protection of the monopoly, sometime the product or service in question is so specialized there is an insurmountable natural barrier to enter and compete.
>>24941033All rightoids know is sophistry. No real arguments present here; just soundbites and gotchas. You people deserve to be put in camps.
>>24941171That you triple down on your retardation in >>24941171 is just the cherry on top.>Distortion can only be caused by violent intervention, which is 90% caused by those who hold the absolute monopoly on violence: the stateThis is neoliberal/lolbert nonsense regurgitated every single time. The state time and time again has been vital in breaking up monopolies who have cornered markets. It’s only when the state gets captured by the kleptocrats that it becomes problematic, and your complete ignoring of capitals natural trend to monopolize markets while complaining about the states monopoly on violence outs you as a biased ideologue.>Niche trades cannot survive because they are squashed by regulations and taxesFurther reflecting your retarded bias, such hypothetical niche trades can easily get monopolized due to the specialization involved, forcing limited demand to the limited supplier. Complaining about taxes and regulation is just another means to depoliticize the state so that Porky the pig can run wild. Read Schmitt.>Only possible in capitalism, since a planned economy has no means to judge where to allocate funds beyond vague feelings.This is such ahistorical nonsense it’s almost funny. Ignores entirely that state tariffs are often vital for domestic industry development, which when teamed with state investment, has been critical in industrial development in nations in the past. So much of our electronic technologies came from USG directed R&D that eliminated the development barrier that private investment wouldn’t have touched otherwise. The greatest example that you are wrong is Chinas directing of capital into high tech industries and technologies, all in the longterm bid to displace the US as the core of the global economy through leadership in absolutely central sectors and abilities, such as robotics, AI, and biotech. Private corporations and their plutocratic lords are themselves private command firms and have demonstrated numerous times their willingness to throw billions into the trash and bribe evil politicians to deregulate markets so that they can throw even more fucking money in before it blows up. See what happened in 2008.People like you are unironically propagandized by the crime syndicate who run the West into wanting a depoliticized state that enables unbridled imperialism and stripping of public wealth and vitality, and the end game of all this will result in failed states and mass enslavement. Schmitt ripped scum like you and your leaders a new asshole back in 1920s in the Concept of the Political. You are a charlatan and you have my contempt.
All leftoids know is failure. No real achievements present here, just envy and resentment. They deserve to remain as they are for there can be no greater punishment than letting them continue the miserable existences they hate so much.
>24941233How do Elon's boots taste, chud?
>>24941233Capital is a leftist machine-abomination that destroys and commodifies traditional and natural order of things in an unending march of developmental progress which even ends up undermining the nation-states that incubated it in the first place. People like you are so up the machines ass that you forgot you are on the left side of the National Assembly with the leftists who beheaded the king and killed priests so that the bourgeois could make a buck fifty. The only difference between you and a Marxist is that you want private kleptocrats/Jews in control of the machine instead of a totalitarian dictatorship.
>>24940955Libertarians are the least reponsible group to explain the degeneration of /lit/, we don't need containment boards, nor containment threads, as the Ayn Rand threads are also made by leftists or auth rights in order to mock her, which can be easily verified by reading the first replies, and I have to peek there sometimes to educate you all, though most of you end up giving up the debate and repeating all over again the same slogans (it will never stop surprising me how people this autistic can believe that they won't be preyed on in their preferred form of collectivism). Not all libertarians are randians even though most of you like to fancy so in order to sketch a cartoon of libertarian ideas which praises egotism as a necessary virtue, when many other libertarians like Huemer have questioned that idea. This new generation of leftists, accompanied by the already old authrights, is the worst cancer /lit/ has seen so far, the bait threads you make to discuss politics are the most obvious I've seen in years on this website; before at least we had big meme authors like Stirner, Evola, Guenon and Whitehead to use as an excuse to bring political discussion, but now it's "can you tell me books about this controversial topic? actually I don't want any book names". And do you know where am I when I'm not in one of these threads? In Aristotle or greek tragedians threads, whose few replies are probably by non fanatics who can turn their brains off the culture wars for a while to discuss other things, and this trait is probably relatively more common in libertarians because we don't make propaganda threads and our ideology is the least susceptible to be turned into all-encompassing populism. Do you know what kind of threads I don't ever see? Threads about Bertolt Brecht, Dickens or social realism authors, which are all socialist-adjacent. My conclusion? This new wave of traumatised-with-Trump leftists is the most illiterate subgroup /lit/ has ever known, /lit/ already being largely illiterate.
Dogma is the oldest trick in the book when it comes to keeping people in line. It keeps people who otherwise might have a lot in common at eachother's throats, rather than stepping back and seeing the forest for the trees.
Rich people invest money and grow it exponentially while poor people tend to spend most of it, so the overall proportion of money concentrates to the wealthy
>24941239Imagine being a true believer leftoid and having to come to the realization that no one seriously engages with you not because you are right and they can't out argue you but rather because you are so insignificant and shot through with abject failure that to do so would lower them.
>>24941261You are a maggot crawling around in the necrotizing flesh of the modern world. Ghouls like Thiel and Musk are maggots just like you, but they are hoping to metamorphosize into flying posthuman abominations before the host-body dies along with you.
>>24939650This. A poor African farmer who owns their land has a higher networth than me because I don't even own a car. Their land is probably worth $10000 at least.
>>24939404OP look no further. Let your thread be a cautionary experience of how absolutely fucking retarded and subhuman people can be in performing mental gymnastics defending the satanic parasites running the planet.
>>24941261The reason is the CIA/mossad psyops nation. You rike the Kirk ritual killing? You cried? I do believe they wanted your kind to go drive into "No Kings" protests. They giggle when the poors fight each other.
>>24939404Most of the "wealth" held by the super-wealthy is their share in large companies which can change by millions every time the stock market sneezes.And the trillions poured into "poor" areas like Africa have done jack shit for them or the rest of the world.
>>24941373Until China started investing in it.
>>24941307I have that book.>defending the satanic parasites running the planet.Nah I just defend myself. I don't care about anyone else.
>>24941473>I’m a petite bourgeois faglordok guy
>>24941144>artAn individual creating something new from their imagination.>memePerverting an existing concept into a caricature of itself/your political enemies then spamming it everywhere as a group.As right wingers are soulless p-zombie orcs, their greatest act of “creation” is a dark simulacra of the real deal.
>>24941544>simulacrado you ever think, that maybe that's all reality is? your dreams of material and physical reality are just that, dreams? I wouldn't expect anyone whose theories are just downstream from empiricism's claims to know of things that cannot be assessed through the imagination are simply just projections of reality are really just that, - in the fact the projections are the reality itself. That the left, who seem to have an unearned monopoly on the imagination, can only think in terms of the "real". how naive and quaint.
>>24941513ah the mask is off. thanks for letting me know what you really think about us.
>>24939823>inegalitarian United Stateswhat century are you talking about? calling it inegalitarian does not narrow it down at all
>>24939415>Money can't buy you happiness.no but it can clean up the mold taking over my home from when the roof was leaking and we couldn't afford to get it fixed yet. an it could get my pet the surgery he desperately needs. and it could fix the sinking bathroom floor. and it could get a stable vehicle that wont break down causing an existential crisis and winter tires so we dont have to slide all over the road every time we turn a corner every day. maybe it could even put me back in school
I just want 1 thing explained to me. How the fuck can someone like Elon Musk go to his investor conferences and claim that AI is going to solve all the world’s problems and make everyone rich, but then bitch and cry on Twitter all day afterwards saying the West is headed for decline and apocalypse? Is it really as simple as “he’s lying to investors?” If so then why all the hubbub about these dirty fucking dishonest oligarchs raping the earth and sucking our wallets dry? There’s no argument to be had, if all this AI bullshit leads to nothing but economic recession and cat videos then why wouldn’t everyone else in the world want their heads on a pike?
we should have listened to him
>>24939415>Money can't buy you happiness.Do you tell this to people who can't afford medical care? Money can obviously afford one certain modes of happiness. I really dislike this gay quip.
>>24939404This is required reading, mr. 60 iq marxist
>>24941611>Do you tell this to people who can't afford medical care?No, I don't live in a third world country.
>>24941587Melon Usk is a globohomo puppet leading the Fake Awakening, a front for the MIL-IND-COMPLEX and the occultists. You realize he has some employee or agent who actually shitposts on social media all day. https://youtu.be/52dVfhgt_T4?t=694https://youtu.be/eJK1gLHbOxA?t=1136Some of you retarded golems actually believe that Musk is a car inventor, battery producer, space explorer, social media owner and countless other shit they have implanted into your goymind.
>>24941232NTA but good write up anon, also the anon itt is some commie shill that thinks his commies will totally not enslave and kill 100s of millions of people.
>>24939404Just perused this little thread and found nothing of value.
>>24941728Cool.
>>24941232you raped him to death, good job anon
>>24941171>Distortion can only be caused by violent intervention, which is 90% caused by those who hold the absolute monopoly on violence: the stateOh, my bad, I didn't realize I was arguing with a retarded person. Carry on big guy
>>24940303rare insight
>>24940303>given Hep B shots to make them dumbInteresting. Source?
>>24941827infowars
>>24939492most people are 12cm tall?
>>24941232>The state time and time again has been vital in breaking up monopoliesStopped reading right here, you are fucking retarded and haven't read anything on monopolies, ever.
>>24941795If it's not carried on by violence it's not a distortion, it's working as intendedThis is obvious and self evident if you understand what the market is.
>>24942238Jk, kept reading>>24941232>The greatest example that you are wrong is Chinas directing of capital into high tech industriesYou mean how china rejected following IP law (state enforced monopoly) and thus thrived? Not the own you think it is. The fact that you would mention china after stating the state is needed to stop monopolies is hilarious. You managed to self refute, but are too stupid to realize it.> the limited supplierYes, the supplier is limited because the state limits who is allowed to supply, moronThere are no non violent ways to force limit on suppplyIf blackrock could truly buy every single house, building houses would be a free money hack
>>24940561Welcome to 4chan.
>>24942240Markets only exist on account of private property, which is itself upheld by violence.
>>24942255>which is itself upheldDefended*Private property doesn't originate from violence, violence may be required to defend it from aggressive actors, thus, defending property is not starting violence.Violent intervention is an act of aggression, defending my home from assailants is not.
>>24939404Hi, OP here, this was my first ever bait thread - I posted about it and then forgot. As I come back I also find that this is the first ever thread I got here who got 100+ results, which is disheartening and sad. I was looking for a few genuine recommendation among a majority of edgy responses, but what I've got is the cyclical repetition of most trite, stupid, poorly understood and poorly informed arguments about wealth I have ever read online. It is embarassing to read your positions on a complex problem as it makes it entirely clear that you do not read and are not at all interested in understanding the nuances of anything - you are only here to advance political positions you mostly absorbed through YouTube and social media. You are also for the most part clearly mentally ill in the, and not in the trendy zoomer-posting-on-ig-about-being-"neurodivergent", but in the clinical, screaming-and-pissing-in-your-own-pants way. Entering this thread is how I imagine it would feel to enter a 1800s asylum with interns speaking in tongues and throwing shit at each other. You are an embarassment for yourself and this board, and since you clearly cannot handle being on the internet (since you've likely never lived in a time without it or spend some actual hours engaging with other media), I strongly suggest that you turn off your computers and leave, a soon as you can. This is not healthy for you, and it's making you stupider by the hour. You are going to regret all the time you spent being here once its cumulative effect starts manifesting in your adult lives.
Hi OP here, I don't know what this guy is talking about
>>24942255>Markets only exist on account of private propertyMarkets can exist unrelated to private property.
>>24939954came itt to say this>>24939404read picrel
>>24942260Imagine being this proudly ignorant when primitive accumulation has been a well documented historical process for over 200 years.
>>24942299Can you provide even one (1!) example of this?
>>24942585Ottoman bazaars
>>24942255>reduced to meaningless buzzphrasesLOL. Surrender accepted.
>>24942585The vast majority of markets take part in public places. Since it's a gathering of different people in the first place.An Example? Sure:Some fishermen catch fish in the sea and sell it to the local population on a public place.What makes you think private property has anything to do with a market?
>>24940515Stupid people tend to reproduce more, following that, if the world is getting more progressive over time, then progressives are stupid. Its really simple. Not the right.
>>24942594Islam has a very clearly defined body of laws surrounding private property: it's distribution, lawful and unlawfully gained wealth, inheritance, taxation, and theft. What are you even talking about?
>>24942603Market doesn't refer, in the context of economics (which is the topic we are discussing) to the physical place the trade takes place, you retarded mongrelThe market is a system of mutual cooperation based on the trade of good and services
>>24942603I chuckled. You win this round anon.
>>24942622It's the same fucking thing.If you trade fish or if you trade cryptocoins over the darknet in the digital cyberspace.Where the fuck is the private property?
>>24942657>Where the fuck is the private property?In the fishIt's my fish, which is why I get to trade it
>>24942670No, it's the peoples fish.
>>24942670ah sorry I thought you meant private property as in some sort of possession of land.so I guess what you meant in >>24942255 was:>Markets only exist on account of the concept of (private?) ownership?well duh. Can't believe you guys are having a discussion over this.
>>24942749Yeah that guy you were arguing with was an idiot. Obviously you can't even have a bake sale without the concept or private property, let alone a market!
>>24942614No you don’t. Secular Arab courts do. Tribal Arab councils do. Allah didn’t say anything about splitting property with your wife in a divorce.
>>24943022It's in the Quran and there are multiple hadiths as well regarding the division of property. The reason that property is not split with a wife after divorce is because she is paid a Mahr upfront which is intended to support her in the event of divorce. It's something that Western countries would be wise to adopt as opposed to their often ruinous divorce laws which have all but destroyed marriage as an institution.
>>24939790I'm pickin Zim everytime.
>>24939404Is there a book that shows greed is something that also keeps society from falling apart because if if everyone had a lot of money they wouldn't work?
