>Youths would rather play ball games instead of studying so adults have to nudge them>Adolescents only care about how many sloots they can bang and brag to other bros about it also muh ball games>When people from more modest areas go to main cities they are immediately enamored by big city life spectacles>City streets littered with charlatan new age astrologers and reddit type Adam Savage atheists with their irreligion and technical doodat contraptions >Casual sex completely normal in the realm of adult professionals>Women have meetings to find ways to settle domestic disputes such as husbands yelling or hitting them>Corrupt public officials having power due to systemic rot and people not speaking out due to the financial comfort>Talented people still need to get the money from the less talented were just lucky to have more capital>Teachers/lecturers wait until a vacation period starts before giving in their resignation letterHow the hell was this written in 385 and not 2007, what the fuck man. The "West" was always the same, I'm still blown away
>never learned Greek and so ruined theology in the west for a one and a half thousand years
>>24942532Augustine, while admitting to never mastering Greek, still was well versed in it. At least he is familiar with the etymology of a bath as he desribes in the chapter that deals with Monica passing away
>>24942520History is cyclical, water is wet
>>249425209 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
>>24942520If that makes you feel better, Augustine lived during the fall of the Roman Empire.He witnessed a civilization collapse.
>>24942695North Africa was perfectly fine and prosperous when he wrote that.
>>24942532Why is everybody into DBH now.
>>24942695to be fair the collapse of rome was more like the collapse of the soviet union. 'civilizational collapse' is a bit muchThings got shittier and shittierHell we even have Putin trying to act like Justinian
>>24942706There is only one person who is into him here.The Universalist heretic who misquotes Church Fathers to pretend they were all universalists.
>>24942705Doesn't that make it even better?
>>24942520>How the hell was this written in 385 and not 2007It's the same as how the Epic of Gilgamesh is still fresh. People have good friends, like fucking, sports, nightlife and find putting time into study a challenge when starting to experience the previous things.
>>24942520Humans just don't change. People today are the same as they were 50 years ago, or 500 years ago, or 5000 years ago.This is why you should be skeptical of anybody who promises some big revolution. They may have a new idea, but that new idea is going to have to be employed by the same old humans that have always existed, and it probably won't change those humans very much in the long run.
>>24942532Wrong guy
>>24942767Tldr on pic?>>24942695Why feel better, I am just astonished that humans have the similar behavioral patterns in such vastly different spheres.And in any case, I think the WRE did fine even up to Justinian's invasion. The early Gothic rulers were heavily Romanized.
>>24942764Yeah exactly what I was aiming at.
>>24942793What really did Rome in was the Pope crowning Charlemagne. This gave the Western lords permission not to recognize the authority of Constantinople.But even then, it's not entirely Leo's fault and definitely not entirely Charlemagne. That whore in Constantinople who stole the throne from her son left a vacuum, and somebody had to fill it.
>>24942520In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
>>24942798I think the Lombards killed it earlier. The northern kingdoms kinda severed the ties and disintegeated the Italian peninsula.In any case Rome was still Rome during Theodoric's reign.
>>24942520What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done; there is nothing new under the sun.
>>24942520who has the muri Muromasa frame?
>seething incels seethed in antiquity just as much as they seethe todaymore news at 11
>>24943768>incel
>>24943771yeah incel is probably too generous for augustine
>>24942520>Teachers/lecturers wait until a vacation period starts before giving in their resignation letterIsn’t this ideal?
>>24943785He had a common law marriage and a kid.
>>24943801yeah so he's just an incel with a kid then
>>24942520>Talented people still need to get the money from the less talented were just lucky to have more capitalwhat
>>24943785>incelwhy do you people unironically use co-opted blue hair language
>>24943785>all intercourse is evil>take the better way and abstain from marriage>Augustine the anti-natalistholy based
>>24942520Yeah man, Confessions is a great book.
>>24943768>Augustine>incelRetard or bait
>>24943815I mean the Bible itself says that virginity is a superior state than marriage. St. Paul says this, Jesus says this too after a fashion. Not everyone can hack it as a virgin, but those who can are special.Even today the Church holds consecrated life in high esteem. Nuns and monks are the best of us.
>>24943810Who were*. Even top dogs at Rome or Milan needed venture capital injections.
>>24943768Augustine was in the ingroup of sexual adventures, he didn't seethe at it but cautioned against it, his mind frame was not resentment.
>>24943943None of the saints are resentful, I've never met a saint guilty of ressentiment. They are all simultaneously incredibly powerful and extremely humble and gracious. Nietzsche himself was impressed by the saints, and he is right to be so.
>>24943911>Nuns and monks are the best of us.Visiting monasteries in Greece reminded me of this. True religion must be monastic at its core, be it being a monastic yourself, or having a monastic elder as your spiritual father and drawing spiritual guidance from writings by monks.
>>24942695i often wonder what it was like to be in the sack of Rome by the Vandals. They literlaly ran amock in the city and VANDALIZED it. From reading works from the time of Augustine you can see how similar life was like in the Roman Empire to current times like how the OP says. Now just imagine a horde of people storming your city and killing, kidnapping, stealing and raping your culture and where you grew up with swords and shields. it just sounds insane
>>24942520>>24942764It's because history is cyclical.For instance: degenerates. The period in Europe during the aftermath of the Enlightenment was also pretty degenerate in the urban world (hint: syphilis outbreaks, 120 Days of Sodom), but after a time social conservatism ruled (Victorian period). Or, the roaring 20s compared to the early 1900s, which led to a socially conservative post war period, then the sex revolution. Social manners were the same. There were periods in English history which were lawless and filled with banditry. There were times where theater was high culture (Shakespeare), then banned (Cromwell), and then merely hedonistic degeneracy (brain rotting Restorationist era slop).The big difference is that, in our time, the urban spirit is very powerful and its elites actively enforce degenerate norms on the population, stretching them beyond their usual cycle. And media and culture is now a structured industry.The same things happened in Rome. Eras of degenerates, then chaos, then rigid revolution towards tradition. And it varies in intensity and length.This is a finer point when people get entangled between the eternal boomer complaining about the young people, between those who quote mine said eternal boomer who thinks everything is business as usual.
>>24944138I'm not so sure. Do we have any works from the Cnut era, the Elizabethan era and some from the Victorian era to make judgements and compare.I think most of it would be similar.
>>24944114>imagine
>>24943800Yeah it is, none of the things I listed in the OP were meant to be taken as a negative (well, only the corruption), it just feels so ... contemporary
>Why did I steal those damned pears. I don't even like pears.I did this and sound like this.
