Never been debunked btw
the author sure seems to try to debunk it a lot on twitter. he's always boomerposting about how great blacks are, george floyd, etc.
>>24943096no one is excepted from the mass delusion we're forced to take part in you should know that by now
if you want to be racist because of racial IQ differences, you would just discriminate by IQ in the first place
>>24943101no, only the stupid and those with something to lose. these zoomers who can't move out of their mom's house because of the mass import of browns risk nothing by not taking part.
>>24943096Why is the far-right obsessed with Floyd? I never understood that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBc7qBS1Ujo
>>24943134(you)
>>24943126?This thread is not about race
>>24943134>look guys, just because the science says they're mentally retarded doesn't mean i'm a racist guys, intelligence isn't everything. i mean think about all the good things they gave us, like oxtails and traffic lights... i'm a good person, see? please don't get me kicked out of the country club
>>24943162oh i thought you said why is murray obsessed with himit's because we're evil racist nazis bro, duh
>>24943094It's always debunked, dipshit.
>>24943270I can smell this post from here
>>24943275You smell your shit covered dick, anon.
>IQpeak midwittery
>>24943315t. sub-120 future biofuel
>>24943313your sister onlyfans sir
>>24943317>he thinks the elites will welcome himlow-IQ behaviour
>>24943320Your mum
>>24943315IQ only ever came into question because of this book and the... implications...
>>24943096It's funny how you people ignore the races that score higher than whites with copes about "muh creativity" and "muh verbal IQ" when you don't accept the same about blacks
>>24943500>It's funny how you people ignore the races that score higher than whitesI don't see that anywhere in this thread?
>>24943094Funded by the Pioneer Fund Group.
>erm actually IQ doesn't mean anything>*random brown bleating*>well did you know Asians have a higher IQ than whites (as if this is somehow a controversial point)just need "well IQ tests are actually culturally biased" and the cope would be complete
>>24943094nassim taleb debunks it all the time
>>24943747Taleb is dumb as pigshit
>>24943788No, you're wrong about him. Nassim actually has a great analysis on why IQ isn't a reliable measure of intelligence.If we express it mathematically: let X be the full set of what constitutes real-world intelligence. Then X = {B, C, D, E, ...}, where B represents IQ-style puzzle-solving ability, and C, D, E, etc. stand for all the other crucial components, like handling real stressors, spotting hidden risks, adapting under pressure, street smarts, persistence, luck absorption, and surviving fat-tailed environments. This shows that IQ (B) is just one small member of the set: a tiny fraction of what actually makes someone intelligent in the domains that matter most.There are many other variables that contribute to true smarts, and IQ fails to capture the fat-tailed extremes and real-world outcomes that dominate Extremistan. It reduces intelligence to a mechanistic test without real stressors.
>>24943317>le biofuelYou will be in the unwashed masses of brutalized labor like the rest of us
>>24943923>Street smarts>Luck absorption
>>24943927This is bad faith.Again, Taleb critiques the use of IQ for its lack of scalability as a predictor of success. Who would you trust more to drive a taxi: a taxi driver with ten years of experience but an IQ of only 100, or a Harvard professor who has never driven a car but has an IQ of 180?
>>24943923It's even more simplistic, if you get rid of the noise in the dataset, and just do the regression in the 50% above the mean, the regression coefficients and subsequent variance get really small, almost negligible.
>>24943935Would you rather your taxi driver to have an IQ of 70 or 120?
>>24943925cope I'm a natural aristocrat you're a hylic
>>24943923>, and C, D, E, etc. stand for all the other crucial components, like handling real stressors, spotting hidden risks, adapting under pressure, street smarts, persistence, luck absorption, and surviving fat-tailed environments.Sorry anon but what the fuck are you talking about.What are these terms? Where did you hear them? How do I know they are crucial components of intelligence? And what do they even mean. What is street smart. What is luck absorption. And how do you know they don't correlate with IQ.
>>24943317>t. negative IQ future composting agent for biofuelThere are no smart people on 4chan. A certain IQ threshold makes browsing 4chan as boring and tedious as facebook feed for downies.
>>24943101I dunno I'm pretty much the same ive been since 2012. Not a huge fan of those with melanin.
>>24944037You are dodging my question by asking a question. I know where this is going. You’re trying to “gotcha” me, just like Piers Morgan desperately trying to corner Nick Fuentes. Well, IQ works via negativa: you can only use it to predict how dumb a man is, not how smart he actually is. So yes, I’d choose the driver with an IQ of 120, because having a 70 IQ indicates mild intellectual disability.Still, that doesn’t refute my point: IQ isn’t a reliable model for measuring intelligence.>>24944044You can google these terms. I’m not going to spoon-feed you. My point stands: IQ can’t tell you how intelligent someone truly is, because real-life intelligence has many variables and specializations. Being great at abstract reasoning, like spotting geometric patterns, isn’t very useful if your job is flipping beef patties every day at a small diner in a rural town.
>>24944037All things be equal? What does that have to do with anything? I'd prefer 120 IQ the same way I'd prefer someone with above-average muscle size and 5 languages instead of 1. Doesn't predict shit.
>>24944120>IQ can’t tell you how intelligent someone truly is, because real-life intelligence has many variables and specializationsEverything real-life has "many variables", that's more or less the meaning of the term, can you be more specific? One would say that being way above average in a particular type of reasoning would help you out in diverse set of reasoning challenges down the line.> Being great at abstract reasoning, like spotting geometric patterns, isn’t very useful if your job is flipping beef patties every day at a small diner in a rural town.It is. There are geometric patterns to it that can make you better at your job, if that's what you're after.There are many critiques of IQ, or rather how IQ is measured in the past couple decades. And the research seems to suggest that it's not so much that high IQ is a carreer benefit, but rather that low IQ is a career obstacle - hence biggest marginal progress happens at the low end of the spectrum. But none of this de-values IQ as one of the very key predictors of intelligence and success.
>>24943500It's true, though. Caucasians are more societally divergent from Asians who are more societally consistent. Asians don't feel like rocking the boat as much, and this is probably why they (...China) will come out on top this century, since the world is becoming smaller and smaller, and eventually it will isolate itself the way China isolated itself from everyone else - except this time there won't be anyone else. Innovative friction isn't everything. Until it is/isn't.
>>24944038Natural aristocrats aren't wasting their time posting here and you know it. They're out planning their empires.
>>24944065>There are no smart people on 4chanIt's a shame that you're new and you missed good posting on 4chan. I too miss the 2000s before rampant newfaggotry was everywhere and when /lit/ was still /r9k/.
>>24943094>we gave a 13 french speaking africans an english iq test and they had lower scores on average than 10,000 ashkenazi jews from the usawow, much to consider
>>24943094>kids who never took trigonometry scored lower on the trigonometry section than kids who did>clearly this demonstrates that blacks are genetically inferiormuch, much to consider!
>>24943094>y-y-you have to D-DEBOOOOOOONKBurden of Proof doesn't work that way. The thesis of this pseud slop is a basic correlation-causation fallacy; until someone provides evidence of a causal link there's nothing to Deboonk. It's just degenerate midwittery akin to pissing in the wind, and is rightly ignored by anyone with the capacity for abstract thought.
>>24944487>retard thinks he's smart
>>24944523At the very least he's smarter than you.
>>24944120IQ is reliable to measure unintelligence. Even Taleb concedes on that.But in the American job market, where gaping your asshole on camera can net significant income, it's a weak predictor even in the low ends.
I didn't need a book to tell me brown people were, on average, dumber than non-browns. Lived experience is enough. Anyone arguing against that simple, obvious truth is just in denial.
>>24944555You can prove beyond any doubt that "IQ tests are bullshit" and this simple fact remains.
>>24944555The only people that ever argue for that "simple, obvious truth" are the bottom percentiles of the white race.There's a reason the Klan only stuck around in bumblefuck flyover shitholes where everyone's hooked on pills.
>>24943134It's the big lie. Con Inc was able to get them to believe that Floyd died of fentanyl overdose despite the video footage showing otherwise. The cognitive dissonance makes them venerate him as some sort of religious idol while insisting it's actually the leftards doing that. These aren't really even political convictions, it's just top down cynical weaponized lumpen racial resentment engineered to get toothless gas station employees to vote for microloans and forever war. Zero difference between Trump and Bush beyond what they're willing to say out loud.
>>24944613The Indian caste system would like a word with you
>>24944665Steve Donaghue visits lit. Awesome.
>>24944670Even the Brahmin are still Indian, I reject their request out of hand.
>>24944559Again they are not bullshit, but their use case is limited.If you have brain damate and subsequent impairment from a motorcycle accident the clinical psychologist will administer you I.Q. tests until you go back to baseline.It can't be used to predict the next bombshell patent though.
>>24943317>>24944065Which e-celeb said biofuel that everyone's saying it now?
>>24943094The old school racists didn't argue on behalf of intelligence to justify their systemic views. Why would the moderns?
>>24944822Only a single chapter or so deals with race, the rest is about societal stratification.
>>24944120>You can google these terms.I googled luck absorption and got this.Nobody uses these terms except for you. Taleb doesn't use them, the guy who believes in multiple intelligences doesn't use them you clearly made them up here on the spot. That's okay no need to pretend otherwise.>Still, that doesn’t refute my point: IQ isn’t a reliable model for measuring intelligence.Is SAT score reliable model for measuring intelligence? Is PISA score reliable model for measuring intelligence?Is GPA reliable model for measuring intelligence?Is educational level reliable model for measuring intelligence?If yes then IQ is as well because it correlates with all of these. If not, fine, but then it raises the question, what is? Straight A students aren't smarter than students who repeat grades, PhD holders aren't smarter than high school dropouts. That's what you are effectively saying if you claim IQ doesn't measure intelligence. So what does then? Give me an example of someone smart and someone dumb and why you think they are.
>>24944120>Being great at abstract reasoning, like spotting geometric patterns, isn’t very useful if your job is flipping beef patties every day at a small diner in a rural town.Believe it or not but it is
>>24944477>>we gave a 13 french speaking africans an english iq testYou must be a total dumbass if you believe this
>>24944830ALL online racists argue on behalf of IQ studies. Where did the old school racism go?
>>24944531>nigger throws words around like a monkey throws shitkek
>>24944856he's a nigger, so...
>>24944521So what accounts for the difference when every other social factor is accounted for?
>>24944822>>24944880"Old school racists" like the KKK were motivated by pure hatred of the other, which ironically is low IQ behaviouryou don't have to hate them to realise they're just incompatible with a functioning society, and nothing short of a eugenics program (which I'm not advocating for) can change that fact
>>24945139I mean the high IQ intelectual racism of the old days.
>>24945139>were motivated by pure hatred of the otherThis is something that came to us through cultural hegemony. I've come to doubt that it was really like that. It was probably primarily a combination of their experience dealing with niggers and a reaction to the nigger-worship religion imposed by the North.
>>24945139>"Old school racists" like the KKK were motivated by pure hatred of the other,You've never actually stidied them
>>24944670the Indian caste system isn't strictly racial
>>24945175>>24945180the KKK is just one examplethe point is that "racism" can take many forms with many completely different motivators
>literally intellectually-disabled cattle spamming "race"A non-existent social construct. The term you are looking for is "ethnicity".>b-b-b-b-but I am new to 4chan and I am NEVER wrongLurk moar and cure your ego.
Never been debunked.
>>24944665>Con IncCon inc worships blax as much as bernard sanders. You've been assblasted by too many right wingers and are trying to substitute their words for yours and it fails.
>>24943094At this point I advocate the death penalty for anyone who denies genetics. No one innocent would die for it either. It'll just be antiwacist retards or aliens that are actively trying to bring down Europeans by knowingly preventing Europeans from expressing their kin interest at their expense, even if it is their moral right to do so.See>>24943126>>24943923>denies population differences caused by genetic differences because genes determine behavior too.>>24943134 >>24945139>trying to mock Whites when the Floyd myth killed Whites and harm White racial interests.
>>24945175>>24944613>>24945190The KKK was just an organization created by Southern Whites trying to express their collective racial interests in a changing world. It was not the only one either, but you use the KKK as a boogeyman because it was also a weird ass cosplaying cult. It is more useful then to demonize Apartheid South Africa, because it is easier for you to demonize Whites in general and say the KKK is about racial hatred while ignoring their valid concerns. This is because you are an alien, and its in your racial interests to hurt Whites.>>24945195You deny race because as an alien, its in your racial interests to try to dupe Europeans that race doesn't exist, however, you actively affirm the existence of race when aliens want to reaffirm their kin interests. This is bad faith and your malicious, trying to abuse European capacity for love for your izzat.
>>24944536Taleb is just coping because he's brown and the implications of IQ.In fact, Taleb is proof that antiracism is evil and that judging people as individual based on their IQ is fundamentally stupid. It ignores that genetics determines every aspect of human psychology. For example, in the end of the day, Taleb is beholden to his ingroup racial kin, as given to him by evolution. He will defend his tribe, just because he is high IQ doesn't stop it. Only White people are stupid because they drop their ingroup preferences, then get shocked that non-Whites will use this opportunity to empower themselves at Whites expense instead of working together. Individualism in Whites, which is also genetic, has produced a foolish race that is narcassistic, antiracist to the point they will hate their own family, that will go extinct while Whites that show ingroup preferences will be selected for as they are the ones who reproduce.Watching brown people hyperfocus on IQ and debunking IQ reminds me of creationists trying to debunk evolution by bringing up 19th century talking points, while I see evolutionary principles being used in AI to great success. Its the same story here, I see more and more proof of how genes DETERMINE behavior and how it justifies treating races differently in a way that can be morally justified.
>>24945303Race is a social construct and you will forever be a newfag nigger.
>>24945320>it's not race actually it's ethnicity :)semanticsfagging is the lowest form of "argument"
>>24945320Race is a genetic construct, and gene denialism is funny because race is more genetic and deterministic then sex is, yet people are more willing to accept the genetic deterministic nature of sex then genes only because sex is very binary (mostly determined by the presence of the Y chromosome, but molded by hormones, not genes, and the only time mutts that aren't male or female are born was because of a fuck up in the process)
>>24943094brown man made this thread
>>24945320being alive is a social construct because ancient indian tribes communed with the dead so therefore its ok if I kill you
>>24945366>I'm young and new to 4chan so words mean whatever I say they mean at any given timeGood goy.>>24945368There are ethnic differences, not racial differences, my longnose-buzzword enjoyer.>>24945390Hooble gobble my octangular sikrantic logneeos fusala!
>>24943935>>24943094IQ is a plausible measure within a society, but it cannot be used across societies where the problems are not going to be understood because they lack the same cultural and linguistic basis for them. The problem with Murry and Herrnstein is that they don't seem to recognize this and they just grab any ol "IQ test" given in random countries in the world and pretend that these are comparable within "IQ tests" in other countries. They are not.You simply cannot give the same IQ test in two different countries. Even if the cultural issue was not a barrier, there is the linguistic barrier, and the fact that you cannot trust the translator or the translation. Herrnstein and Murray, not being multilingual experts, have no basis for determining the validity of any IQ test that is not given in English. This appiles even to math problems because they instructions have to be rendered in the local language.
>>24945420so what explains the race gap in English speaking countries?
