>evil cannot *uurp* create*plagiarizes Wagner's Ring Cycle*
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>>24944760you don't need to let us know of your race
Fun fact, one of Hitler's decrees (can't remember if military or domestic) was named after the Helmet that turns you invisible from the Ring Cycle.
>>24944745If you actually think that you haven't read The Ring of the Nibelung.
>>24944840No, Op is right. There aren't that many similarities but some are so obvious that it's impossible Tolkien wasn't influenced by Wagner.
>>24944832It was named for the incantation that activates it, and it predates Wagnerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nacht_und_Nebel
>>24944745Wagner is one of the only writers I've read who was as wise as the Greeks
>>24944745Wagner plagiarized mythology
everything is a plagiarism
>>24945653Wagner didn't write the Nibelungenlied it's a historical epic that he was inspired by.
>>24945839Only Götterdämmerung is an adaptation of the Nibelungenlied (heavily modified, to fit the almost purely invented story he told in the preceding three operas)
>>24945839There's no all-powerful ring in the Nibelungenlied, doofus.
>>24945839The idea of the corrupting ring that's symbolic of the cosmic cycle was a purely Wagnerian innovation
>>24944745The ring idea does proceed them both. It seems like he probably took it from W. but I doubt Tolkien could understand Wagner, we know he couldn't understand Shakespeare. Wagner has nothing to do with this nerd slop so I'm okay with Tolkien fans being in denial. I don't really understand how people identify with hobbits as their hero
>>24946424>we knowWho is "we"? You got a rat in your pocket, Trotsky?
>>24946427It's well known that he didn't like Shakespeare
I wonder if the fact Tolkien is so popular is a point against it -- that like Harry Potter it marks out the confines of contemporary culture, the fantasy of being a hobbit in war with the great powers becomes mere escapism, because anyway the idea of a hobbit being a hero in this manner is laughable. This isn't the same or of the same spirit of what Jesus said in favor of the poor, this is just a fantasy and nerd slop -- anyway this point deserves further investigation, the meaning of the nerd, the origins of the nerd ... one can say at least that all true poetry is nerd-proof. Tolkien's Catholic dogmatism is a point against him -- it at least bears testament to an inferior mind, freaking out about his sons remarriage. Why does Tolkien appeal to people like Alex Karp? That's a serious question, I don't know enough about his work to set out details exactly
>>24946424C.S. Lewis was a Wagnerian and studied the libretto of Die Walkure with Tolkien in preparation for them translating it which never eventuated.
Feds and Antis sure are trying to turn people against Tolkien because he proved that they are evil and the world they are creating is evil.
N. Frye said something in the way of fantasy being dominant in a society that feels deeply its impermanence. I've never read perhaps only one or two fantasy books as a child (I think actually Harry Potter 1 and the Hobbit) and at this point have no idea what the appeal of them is. I would like to just dismiss it as "slop" but it is highly interesting why certain slop prevails at certain times. There is significance here but I don't know what it is.
>>24946496meds>>24946487Interesting. Yeah, I actually was surprised to see Lewis think so highly of Wagner's poetry, I can't find the quote but it was something like mythic poet beyond compare
>>24945660Still kino though.
>>24946424>The ring idea does proceed them bothIt's from The Republic. Plato uses the idea of a ring that makes the wearer invisible to illustrate some moral point.
>>24944760>Brown hands typed thismany such cases, i don't know why he cause so much seethe for the untermensch trash here
>>24947021The Ring of Gyges may have influenced Tolkien, but it wasn't a direct influence on Wagner. It also wasn't a corrupting ring, and was less of a narrative and more of a philosophical exercise on morality.
>>24944840I played it
>>24947861Brown people don't like Wagner.
>>24947861crazy that you believe tolkien would subscribe to nietzscheshit philosophy
Feeling sad for Isengard's population. They were basically deformed en masse only to be defeated in less than a year and their city was flooded by pissed-off trees.
>>24945713german myth plagiarized by german vs filthy anglo plagiarizing german myth
>>24947983Germanic myth is called Germanic myth for a reason, and it includes Scandinavian, German, Dutch and English mythologies.
>>24948024english are not germanic and the reason tolkien stole was bc he lacked english myth
>the english will literally name themselves after a germanic people but then turn around and say that english people are "white" but germanics are not
>>24948034Are you talking about their Celtic ancestry, or are you drawing a distinction between Germanic and Nordic (which the Normans were)?
>>24948051celtic, normans were only a minority in the aristocracy
