How do you actually overcome post-modernism?
>>24948572what is post-modernism?
>>24948572postmodernism is the cultural situation of the current state of our mode of production. it will be overcome when the mode of production changes.
zizek is so fucking lame, trump never claimed to be a conservative
>>24948591the mode of production didn't change between 1920 and 1960 tho. marxism is so shallow.
>>24948594it could be changes within capitalism itself. i don't mean necessarily a change from one mode to another.
>>24948572post-modernism has been for the most part, a kind of obfuscation and disavowal of a structured universal theory of history, limiting truth to specific historical horizons. The main structured universal theory of history at that time post-modernism was developed was Marxism, and it was very much feared by western governments.How deliberate this move to post-modernism was i leave open, but i do not think it was unconnected.
>>24948600you should read real economics texts not dopey "analysis" by english professors, god i can't believe i used to think this crap was insightful as an undergrad
>>24948572The fact that this man unironically thinks that the sheogorath suit looks good will never stop being a source of amusement for me.
>>24948606ya he should have worn a polo shirt with a zipper now that's taste
>>24948610>he's actually defending the sheogorath suitkek
>>24948592> trump never claimed to be a conservativehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Td6Pl7x3rlMIt’s trivially easy to find examples but of course it won’t matter and you’ll move the goalposts with one of your retard excuses.
>>24948572Read Wagner, he created a path to genuine artistic expression and this was almost 200 years ago. There's a reason (((they))) don't want you to read him.
>>24949000>i am by nature a somewhat conservative person>i never looked at putting a label on myselfthat's the best u could come up? he doesn't mention "traditional values" and offers a lukewarm endorsement of conservatism. zizek is arguing with something that only exists in the minds of tds sufferers.
>>24949027Cope. There are Christian nationalists who think Trump is a prophet. Anything else is damage control because it took you years to realize that an NY billionaire isn't a paragon of conservative Christian virtues.
>>24949037trump was a democrat and rolled with rich democrats his entire career in nyc why would anyone except a tds suffering think he was conservative? he's basically an old school labor democrat
>>24948572>How do you actually overcome post-modernism?But the reverse gear and read Marx
>>24949044*Hit
>>24949044thinking u can pick the episteme of any epoch like an ideology buffet is postmodern tho so that would be postmodern
>>24948572Just stop believing in it. Its a religion.
>>24949037Yes.
How do you actually overcome post-modernism?by reading all their works, at least the canon, and forming arguments against them
>>24948572People aren’t gods, it is not the case that reality does not inherently exist, and people do not determine reality and the people in power do not determine reality. Postmodernism is just a rationalization for the power of opaque parasitic elites (mainly secular academic intellectuals)
stupid camel
>>24948572Jordan Peterson isn't entirely wromg here, since religious fundamentalism is generally how postmodernism is resolved. Of course, fundamentalism brings its own set of problems with it, as we're currently finding out right now
>>24948589Postmodernism is when you start questioning the meaning of words that everyone understands but some pretens not to.
>>24948589You don't take an idea or movement wholesaleYou try to cherry pick.Which produce some very interesting results. With the con that you do take a lot of the wholesale alongside the cherrypicked. >>24948594>>24948600We are currently witnessing the only real change to capitalism: Global proxy ownership Before that its fuck all. Its hard to control or manage something if you can't physically get there, and its very limited to try to mail schematics cross country or even cross pacific.
yes I transcended the dialectic and realized that jordan peterson is one the cringiest faggots to ever walk the earth
crazy how it all went downhill the second he learned his daughter was a whore. the spiritual anguish of having a daughter like that is a fate worse than hell.
>>24948572>ziz-hackI have yet to seea single good take from this pretentious fool
>>24949000>politico>somewhat>Reagansad desu
>>24949057It's not a choice. We are living in Marx's reality
>>24948572"Post-modernism" is a massive spookIt doesn't even exist broIt's not real
>>24948572nazism just like heidegger
modernity is just le reddit science athiesm, that all of reality is trackable and reducible to a system.post modernity is just saying no and an emphasis on particularity.Within that context you either see people as embedded in a culture and end up a nazi or far right like traditional community stuff like heidegger, or you reject culture (because you are a gay jew paid off by the state) and just talk about cumming or somethingpretty sure this is basically a pretty comprehensive overview of the subject
>>24948572Go to Mass, of course.
>>24949336So... Like Socrates?
>>24949553>unironic trad cath larp
>>24949568Like Socrates but in a different way
>>24949586>I don't believe in it, so nobody else does either!Poor theory of mind, Anon.
>>24949586Im Muslim ideally they would be Muslim but I'd rather have them going to mass and at least being somewhat conservative
>>24949598Option A: you're a hypocrite Option B: you're a LARPertake your pick
>>24948572They weren't familiar with one another's work and Peterson decided to talk to Zizek instead of talk past Zizek. Peterson thought Zizek was a standard commie whereas Zizek thought Peterson was le alt-right boogeyman and it took longer for Zizek to figure out Peterson than it did Peterson to figure out Zizek.
>How do you actually overcome post-modernism?You stop being a pseud who pretends to care about -isms and live your life.
>>24948572you flow organically with the taothere is always a subset of genuine aesthetic expression that flies miles above the drudge of the modern world. also I think talking about structures of control or postmodernism or social signaling is pretty weak when even the source of all this shit like anti-oedipus objectively calls out any intrusion of social delusions into the life of the self as nothing but bullshit and all exploited by it complete fucking retards"postmodernism" was overcome by postmodernism. just read deleuze and debord lmaowhen is egoism and anarchism making an explicit comeback? I don't like this faggy social game
>>24948591Its a religion
>>24949037You don't know any Christian nationalists
>>24948572I mean, there is no “overcoming” postmodernity because every form of resistance or escape is reincorporated back into the system as a kitsche regress into one dated fantasy or another. There are no new solutions because all horizons of possibility are accounted for, all we can do is play in the rubble of civilisation.
>>24949568Explain how it is like or dislike Socrates
>>24949778>t. pseudNTA. You seriously can't figure it out for yourself?
>politicians pander and lieI like Zizek but this point is so lukewarm it beggars belief
mai waifu gives me the strenght
>>24948572>How do you actually overcome post-modernism?Gas chambers. Real ones.
>>24949625Why would being a Catholic on 4chan make me a hypocrite? It's possible to use this website without sinning, you know.
You build your society on truth, not tradition.Tradition is too easily overtaken, corrupted, and turned into a source of lies that control your life. It is abused by the unethical and upheld by useful idiots. Truth can't be overtaken like that, which is why propaganda is necessary. None of the postmodern criticisms defeated the concept of truth, which anybody would know if they actually read them instead of listening to peterstein.
>>24949217A dumb take, but not your fault. The postmodernists weren't creating post modernism, they were warning you of what they saw coming. You want to stop a rainstorm by beating up the weather man.
>>24948572Pretend it never happened
>>24950350Because they sont believe in anything, and somehow think that going on 4chan is evil despite IRL being sodom and gamorrah outside everywhere I got. I'm Muslim and only go on /lit/, /toy/, and /tg/ and what I see outside IRL in my city is worse than any board on here. The truth is a lot of westerners cannot accept that people genuinely believe anything
>>24949774Isn't that like saying you can't scape cristianity because god allready personally knows all about you or whatever.
>>24950415I dunno how long you've been around, but truth isn't exactly a human virtue. In reality, most people would slip into a suicidal depression if all they focused on was truth. You can't handle the truth, etc.
just ignore it
>>24948572i mean that zizek quote is accurate
by creating an echo chamber where you dont have to engage with it in the dialectic and pretend it dosent exist
>>24948572Just don't think about it.
>>24948572Postmodernism literally gives conservatives an excuse to act like African niggers and retvrn, (moral relativism) but they rejected it for aesthetic purposes, just because the people who invented it were faggots in France with a BBC fetish.
