>what if... the bad guy, um, like rapes and kills and such?The Judge is a cartoony villain, something you'd find in an Alan Moore comic like The Killing Joke.How does anyone take American letters seriously when you realise the entire McCarthy Universe (MCU) was just made to be a backend of Hollywood slop adaptations?
>>24948666You're retarded
>>24948673>He was just an average kid, looking for some adventure>But when adventure finds him . . .>*cuts to The Kid (played by Finn Wolfhard) getting woken up on his horse* Wait, what's going on?>*Glanton (played by Adam Sandler) is shaking him "Wake up, lazy bones! We're gonna sack this village!"*>*cuts to wide shot of the Gang approaching the village (which is notably white, so as not to anger the Native American market) as dramatic BWOMMMMS play*>*Suddenly, the dramatic tension cuts as one of the villagers shoots an arrow at Glanton's crotch, causing him to cringe*>*The Judge (played by The Rock in white-face, for some easily marketable controversy) winces and goes "Ooooh, right in the Toadvine!"*>*Cormac McCarthy himself rides up on a little indian war pony to say "'Nuff said!"*>. . . he's gonna need some friends along the way.>THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN>This summer . . .>*The kid yells "This desert is our home! We can't let the army take what's ours! Who's with me gang?" as everyone cheers*>. . . the west . . .>*shows The Kid and Toadvine (who is now played by Leslie Jones) beatboxing on their horses*>. . . is gonna get . . .>*shows the dancing bear beating up army goons as The Judge rides on his back with a rife*>. . . wild!>*music stops with a record scratch as The Judge twerks*>*Glanton's jaw drops as The Kid goes "Awkwaaaaard"*>BLOOD MERIDIAN, RATED PG-13 (accompanied by a cgi title screen and a guitar riff)>*The scene cuts to black*>*Suddenly, the scene cuts back to The Judge sitting in a saloon, when he hears a voice say "Hey Holden, I'm not through with you!"*>*Camera turns around, showing an aged Javier Bardem reprising his role as Anton to set up the McCarthy Cinematic Universe*>COMING AUGUST 2026
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>>24948666>if villains do villainous things then they’re cartoonyYou’re so stupid it hurts.
>>24948693Just because he hides behind purple prose and unusual punctuation doesn't mean this is any less Marvel coded:>The Leonids it was called went flowing over the sky like strange fingers of light as woken gamecocks clucked and coyotes scattered bones amidst the wolves howling on the prairies where in those strange, clockless hours the mad moonlight cast milky spectres against the immense naked Caucasian neonate that jumped up and pirouetted with a screeching fiddle in his big white baby hands as the preacher violated in the livery of his own god the child.>What's an egg Judge.>An egg's what you get when a gamecock lays after resting with a hen.>What's a hen Judge.>A hen's what ye get when ye move out to Californy.>What's a gamecock Judge.>A gamecock's a suzerain.>What's a suzerain Judge.>A preacher that is a judge of all things. And like a judge he must make rules. And like a game, rules must ...>They is four things in this world that can kill a man. Eggs, war, gamecocks, and whiskey.>Nuff said, the Judge spat.
>>24948666The actual real flaw in BM is that all the plot points are mapped to a philosophy, and a rather unimpressive one at that. That is no way to write fiction
>>24948666Yeah yeah, whatever to say, SatanI hate plotfags so much it's unreal
>>24948744If you think McCarthy has beautiful or sophisticated prose, then you probably haven't read much.
>>24948752He's a good prose stylist, period. From a CONTINENT that runs pretty low on prose stylists. So good in fact that he's also excellent in both french and italian, that much I can tell you. I'll let you define what passes as sophisticated in your neck of the woods.You anglos are weird about cormac. Lots and lots of pompous tryhards.
>>24948772His rendering of Spanish is so awkward that native Spanish speakers laugh when they read it in Blood Meridian.>both french and italianThat's because the translators were good. Do you think translating is a 1:1 reproduction? The translator makes a creative production when they translate, so much so that it is considered its own copyrighted material outside of the original.
>>24948752I read most of the major prose stylists, from Milton and Shakespeare up to present day. While I have some gaps (Browne, Carlyle, Woolf, Barth), Corncob still stands out.
>>24948666>what if... the bad guyNo such thing as "bad guys," this isn't children's lit.>>24948666>The Judge is a cartoony villainHe isn't a villain. He is a symbol of The Law, which is enacted by violence. Violence is the force that brings law and order to the West. Note how much the landscape has developed from the first two chapters to the last two. McCarthy wants you to consider how all those brutal killing led to that peace and prosperity that allows for the Kid to meet the Judge again in a saloon.
>>24948782Everything you said sounds like a comic book. It ain't writing.
>>24948779Milton wasn't a prose stylist. Do you think Paradise Lost is prose or a novel? Shakespeare is known for drama and poetry, even if that may contain prose, that's not what a prose stylist is.
>>24948778Ofc you'd know, sudaca ESL retard.On the other hand, you won't know shit about good English prose
>>24948795I showed a publisher McCarthy and he scoffed. Mind you, this is someone who worked at Boyars and had his own imprint. The writing is fit for a comic book bubble.
>>24948793>Milton wasn't a prose stylistYou're hopelessly retarded. Milton wrote much more than just two epic poems.
>>24948798Essays don't count for a prose stylist. Do you think people call Melville a prose stylist because he wrote an essay? Milton doesn't have a single novel or short story.
>>24948793What do you call this?> I cannot praise a fugitive and cloistered virtue, unexercised and unbreathed, that never sallies out and sees her adversary, but slinks out of the race where that immortal garland is to be run for, not without dust and heat.
>>24948793https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areopagitica
>>24948806A polemic with poetical flourishes. Not really what we think of when we think of a prose stylist at all. A prose stylist writes short stories or novels.
>>24948796Perhaps the publisher too was an ESL retard like you.Meanwhile in the real world, Mccarthy's manuscript was specifically picked from the pile by veteran editors like Bensky and Erskine purely on the strength of its writing. These guys edited Faulkner and Malcolm Lowry, they know more than your comicbook reading ass.
>>24948809It's a non-fiction polemic with poetical flourishes. That's not what prose stylists write. And he's known for poetry, first and foremost. Do you think George Sterling is a prose stylist because he happened to write some non-fiction essays?
>>24948802See>>24948673
>>24948812>Cold autistic darkSome writer.
>>24948666bait or not, you are dumber than a bag of piss
>>24948818You really tripped up on a category error and can only bleat out bad words like a teenager. Calling Milton a prose stylist is like saying McCarthy is an epic poet. It's just now how a critic would approach these questions.
>>24948802>Who is Walter Pater?
>>24948666retard low iq take, there is no good or meaning in the Mcarthyverse, and the most iconic "villains" the Judge, and Chigurh cannot even be called that as they exist beyond any moral framework if anything Corncob is closer to Lovecraft in alluding to horrors beyond our comprehension.
>>24948817Is Thomas Browne, to many the foremost stylist in the last 300 years, not a prose stylist because he never wrote a novel? Is Carlyle a stylist only for his one novel (which doesn't even show his style all that well) and not for the histories and essays he wrote? You are clueless.
>>24948824>He's actually closer to pulp fiction which is basically comic books in ornate prose... so you're wrong, it's not comic books, it's just the closest thing to it materially, culturally, and aesthetically!
>>24948817He wrote prose and did so in a highly stylised, ornate manner. It's irrelevant if the prose was used in fiction or non-fiction. Burton is often called a prose stylist, even though Anatomy is technically non-fiction. Milton is a prose stylist.>>24948821Melville was a poet btw.
>>24948821>bleat out bad words like a teenager.The irony of having an ESL lecture me on the categories of writing lolYou're retarded.
>>24948825>foremost stylistThat's not a prose stylist. You're getting tripped up on words sounding similar. A stylist could be anyone who writes any form, but a prose stylist is reserved for those who write novels and short stories. I think you just used the wrong word and tried to lump Shakespeare into it for legitimacy, then found out you just completely missed the mark.
>>24948666you tried graduating from comic books to real books and got filtered by mccarthy? stick to your colorful pictures
>>24948796Wainhouse?
>>24948828And yet no one reads Melville for his epic poem. You people just have no fucking clue. Melville is known for Bartleby and Moby-dick, not Clarel.>Milton wrote prose!And yet he's known for poetry. That's just poetic prose he wrote.
>>24948832I am not """"tripping up"""" on anything, dumbass. You're just embarrassing yourself. All English essayists were stylists, and probably the biggest influence on the development of modern English prose. Your stupid, illdefined and ignorant categorical outlook is a waste of everybody's time.
>>24948838Namecalling is cute. It shows your brain is short circuiting with how little it has been exposed to any systematic approach to writing. Didn't go to college?
>>24948791>This guy is comic book shit, it has big bad guys and villains>actually it doesn't have bad guys or villains>uhhh mofuggin comic books n sheeit
>>24948847If you make an anti-western, it's still contained by the tropes of western discourse. Likewise, if you make a "no bad guys" it relies on childish moral allegories found in comic books.
>>24948838Essays aren't art and therefore their "style" is irrelevant
>>24948850>it's still contained by the tropes of western discourse.Read the book before attempting to criticize it.
>>24948850>If you make an anti-westernHe didn't do this, thoughever. You're ascribing things you read from critics to a book you didn't read. It's just a western.
>>24948856>Dude, what if... there's no good cowboys or bad injuns in the wild west that has no hope and it's just a bleak expanse of desperation and dread?Wow... it's almost like it's an inverted image of a John Wayne movie! Deep!
>>24948853imagine thinking this
>>24948850>it relies on childish moral allegories found in comic books.There is no moral allegory. It's a morally ambigious book, can you not read? The Judge isn't 'a bad guy.' There is no moral pontification on part of the author.
>>24948864That's such a boring response. I've read it two times. And each time I felt like I was listening to some guy who watched a Spaghetti Western at the cinema and thought: "What if it's really dark instead hyuk hyuk"
>>24948865Yes retard. In real life "good" and "evil" don't exist, there are only humans and human evaluations of other humans. Looks like you're the one who should be reading comic books.
>>24948871There is. He says that humanity is the ultimate practitioner of war and that war is the state of nature, that it lives in the landscape. It's a moral condemnation of humanity as anthropocentric and violent.
>>24948872But Blood Meridian isn't even as mofuggin DARK and NIHILISTIC as any given history of the West you can pick up. Should fiction imitate reality or not? Is mimesis wrong? Read your Auerbach, retard.
>>24948875If there's no evil, then let me fuck your arse and give you HIV. Morality is innate.
>>24948878>He says that humanity is the ultimate practitioner of war and that war is the state of natureTrue and not even a moral statement. Facts don't care about your feelings, cupcake. Might as well complain about 2001 for showing the exact same thing in its opening scene.
>>24948879Warlock by Oakley Hall did it way better, and even investigates how fiction is about truth rather than the cold facts of historians who try to beautify humanity or tell a sweet story.
>>24948886>See! It's good art because it's exactly like... a Hollywood slop fest!Not winning any ground there. I think you just like easily digestible "art" because you're a manbaby. Nuff said.
>>24948887>how fiction is about truth rather than the cold facts of historians>buhhh its like, FICTION is MORE TRUE than REALITY buhhhhYeah okay retard.
>>24948826profound misunderstanding of pulp which relies on anti-heroes and larger than life characters who deliver to the audience a catharsis based on violent justice, noticeably absent in Mccarthyland. Don't stop missing anon, you're on a roll.
>>24948890This is what it feels like reading McSwarthy:https://voca.ro/1cexEPagJWXr
>>24948900I'm an enlightened Kantian so I do not "feel"
>>24948870It's objectively true which is why you won't attempt to refute it
>>24948878>He says that humanity is the ultimate practitioner of war and that war is the state of nature, that it lives in the landscapePerhaps obvious to the point of being banal and especially trite in the era of WAR WAR NEVER CHANGES falloutslop, but ultimately not wrong. It sounds like you'd actually prefer if his books were more like comic books and had clear cut good guys and bad guys, with heavy handed moral condemnation. I think you should try reading Dostoyevsky.
>>24948936I've already read Dostoevsky's oeuvre. I'm actually a reader and have taste. Unlike this board, filled with manchildren who make video game references, such as yourself.
>>24948941Why so hostile? I've read all of Dostoyevsky (learned Russian because of him) and I don't particularly like McCarthy. It just seems like you're lying about your interests given you keep complaining about heavy handed moralism in McCarthy despite him not really having any.
>>24948824>There is no bad guy>A guy who does bad things and is set against the protagonist >But he's not a bad guy, you just don't get. him bro
>>24948947>Dude, have you read [insert the most famous writer on the planet]?
>>24948953>A guy who does bad thingsWhy are you brining your own moralism to a work of art that doesn't express such sentiments itself? Did you cry while reading Lady Chatterley because it was too licentious for you and they did the Big Bad Icky Act too often?
>>24948957Safe to assume if you found McCarthy too morally heavy handed that you would hate Dostoyevsky, who is 100x worse in this regard.
>>24948965There is moral ambiguity in Brothers Karamazov because the characters aren't Dostoevsky talking, numbnuts. It's a philosophical dialogue where morality is the subject at hand, not that he is beating us over the head with:>War is natural and bad!
>>24948704>clucking gamecocks bueno.jpg
>>24948953>you prove the original post correct, and you don't get himThe 'villains' have no discernable philosophy to root against or be defeated by the good guy creed represented by the actions of the opposing protagonist, the other characters must cope with an unstoppable force beyond their control or knowing, their mind state is to just survive like a battle between a cobra and mongoose.
>>24948960>Why are you brining your own moralism to a work of art that doesn't express such sentiments itself? Because you're meant to, as a basic reasoning human with a mature moral framework. You are supposed to be able to develop your own interpretation of a text, morally and otherwise, without the author spoonfeeding you. Were you feeling lost in 1984 until Winston says "Big Brother is evil, I hate him!"? Must have come as some relief. If it walks like a duck, and flys like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Even if the author doesn't say it is one, it still fulfills the same narrative purpose. You're so busy trying to read 2 levels deep about how the judge is some otherworldly force that you can't see he's also a basic evil piece of shit. Nor does the one stop the other from being true, the perspective are meant to inform and add new insight to one another. >>24948991>Villains have to have defined philosophiesWhy? It's a story, with philosophical asides, not a greek dialogue. Stuff just happens. Sometimes the bad guys just get shot. How does that support the "good guy creed" philosophically?
this thread convinced me to never read blood meridian ty op
>>24948674I think this would be 10x better than any earnest attempt at adapting it. Give it the Starship Troopers treatment.
>>24948853Essays aren’t art if your definition of art excludes the substantive. I’ve read essays more engaging, edifying, and sonically satisfying than much of the tripe that pretends to art.
Bet you haven't read Suttree his masterpiece. Im reading Crossing right now and its amazing.
>>24948941>actually a reader>DostoevskyThat just makes you a booktok watching retard>>24948979>because the characters aren't Dostoevsky talking, numbnuts. It's a philosophical dialogue where morality is the subject at hand, not that he is beating us over the head withHoly shit, you're such a fucking phony. Dostoevsky is a heavy handed moralizer. It's so easy to see which character is him in the novel. Judge is not a moralizer in the slightest sense and>war le bad Is never once expressed by any character. How much of a manchild do you have to be to seethe about a writer you have never read, retard?
>>24949826He is a pretender. He has read nothing
>>24949943>McSwarthy Marvel slop fan can't into DostoevskyLike pottery...
>>24949609You're pretending so hard to look smart lol.
>>24949943Dostoevsky structures his novels in a way to make Christianity seem appealing, but the characters themselves are all able to speak their mind without being shackled by Dostoevsky. Where Tolstoy is a monarch, Dostoevsky is an arbitrator in a debate.
>>24949953Mccarthy is 10x the artist Dostoevsky was. Dostoevsky in fact is closer to a shitty melodramatic pulpy soap opera than the other way around. You're like 15, basing your personality on le raskolnikov and it's no wonder your ideas and understanding of morality is so fucking juvenile.
>>24949966I'm guessing you're 30-odd years old and still talk like it's 2006. Just admit that books beyond comic book paradigms make your head hurt. Stop throwing out "you just didn't UNDERSTAND my favourite slop, it's actually deep literature" when McCarthy is adapted for Hollywood for a reason; it's easy-to-digest moral allegories, or inversions of them, for manchildren.
>>24949961All the characters are Dosto's mouthpieces. Everytime one went on a monologue it was clearly him. That is what ruined his art and why Nabokov disliked him. It wouldn't be a problem if he wasn't also trying to project an illusion of free will. But he does. You can tell how fucking mentally defective OP is when he thinks dosto of all writers isn't a cheap sensationalist moralizer. One writer where it is at its most obvious to see (apart from Tolstoy)
>>24949972Of course it's the fat retarded manchild ESL who has been seething about Cormac the past month who made this thread.Mccarthy's doesn't actually hate beaners like you, so you can stop seething about him being an American.
>>24949981>McCarthy fans I know IRLA guy in high school who had debilitating ADHD, like to the point he had nervous tics and played video games all day, stole all this timber from a construction site and built a skate ramp in his backyard, then had to pay thousands for it to be removed after the landlord saw it, who would also smoke weed all day and torrent every single clip of Sasha Grey's porno films, right, this guy, he is the one who told me No Country for Old Men movie was really deep and used to play scenes of it to me in his room that stank like marijuana>McCarthy fans ITTSeething cucks who can't read real books and need cape shit flat moralism
>>24949972>manchild has been seething about a writer he has never readYou look and talk like downie faggot lol
>>24949989Move along, beaner. Or I am gonna reprt you to the ICE
>>24949991>Y-you're MexicanWhat makes you think I'm even on your continent? You have the insults of a twelve year old.>>24949995Why do you think I live in America? Your shithole country hasn't produced any great writers, and it's why you think McCarthy is good. You have no frame of reference nor ability to compare good writing with bad writing.
>>24950006>all this beaner/spic seetheLOL
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>>24949976Even if it IS him, he's channeling different parts of himself. The hedonist gambler, the pre-katorga revolutionary, the devout Christian, a man struggling with doubt. No heavy-handed moralist could write the Grand Inquisitor. It's no wonder that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphony_(literature) started with Dostoevsky.
>>24950018The other anon prefers movies and comic books, evidenced by the fact there are way more McCarthy Universe (MCU) media tie in graphic novels than Dostoevsky comics.
>>24950021Shut the fuck about comics already schizo, I love both Dostoevsky (for his ideas+characters and how he develops them) and Corncob (for his prose).
>>24950022McCarthy Universe (MCU) media tie ins show that McCarthy's "prose" is cinematically legible and easily translated to visuals for toddlers and manchildren. There is nothing lost from the adaptations because there was nothing in the books to begin with except movie arcs and Hollywood schmaltz.
>>24950021>>24950025Stop seething, spic
>>24950018Dosto might have started it but he is also subsequently the worst example of it. Grand Inquisitor is Dosto himself tussling with theodicy. It's still binary. Everything is either for or against, which can be seen in the characters too. Every religious Dosto conversation is essentially a debate.
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>>24950037>Manchild so mad he has been continuously scouring the subreddit for le mock ebin take downsLol
>>24950043McCarthy is ubiquitous like Marvel. Of course retards like you will defend his slop.
Hope OP gets shot in the face. THE MAC IS BASED
>>24950073She was 16.
