>open /lit/>see same tired “jbp bad” thread for the 900th time>people who’ve never read a page of his work confidently explaining what he “really believes”>rightoids hate him because he doesn't spend all day obsessing about jews>leftists hate him because he knows stalin was a mass murderer and told them to stop buying funko pops o algoNot even a huge Peterson fan, but it’s wild how triggered people get over a guy telling lost young men to clean their room and take responsibility for their lives. He’s a clinical psychologist with decades of practice and a pretty standard background in personality research, yet somehow he’s treated like some kind of comic book supervillain.The funniest part is how critics always quote-mine one sentence from a 3-hour lecture, strip all context, and then act shocked when normal people don’t buy the narrative. God forbid someone acknowledges biology and culture at the same time, or says meaning comes from responsibility instead of endless irony and doomscrolling.Anyway, cue the NPC replies.
The way no one gaf
he unironically said this was his favorite book
I like his writings a lot. More chuds and troons should read 12 Rules, it sounds like le generic guru lifefixerman book but it isn't. It's a pretty well-articulated treatise on living in a post-ejection from Eden world.
>>24953007>he unironically saidI don't know if you mean that as a good thing or a bad thing but it sounds from the tone you think it's bad. I've heard him talk about a great many books a lot and I don't think I've ever heard him pin it down to one single "favorite" book. There's a lot of information and thinking out there that's worth perusing, agreeable or not.
Peterson will touch a nerve by simply pointing out something that is blatantly ignored in the way an ideological group frames an issue. He exposes ideological blind spots in a simple and straightforward way; this leads to the fellow travelers of whichever idea is being discussed having a breakdown and exposing themselves. He's valuable as a media personality if even for that reason alone.>Peterson: it would be productive to involve men in the conversation about violence against women in a way that doesn't label masculinity as inherently negative>Libtard: so you're saying in order to make men care about rape women have to be returned to the status of men's property>Peterson: the rise of identitarianism is linked to reactionary politics that sublimate personal resentment into collectivistic extremism>Chud: so you're saying white people don't have group interests and therefore shouldn't exist>Peterson: transgender ideology specifically targets a group of people likely to be confused and open to mental pathologies via social contagion--we shouldn't give hormones to children let alone surgically mutilate minors>Tranny: so you're literal nazi saying we're a disease and we should be exterminated like one>Peterson: anonymity increases the likelihood of pathological behavior so perhaps one way to alleviate the negative repercussions of its overall influence would be to segregate accounts on these specific widely used social media websites--it's definitely better than secret and selective control of the public narrative as it exists now>/pol/tard: so you're saying you want everyone everywhere to be tied to whatever they say and do at all times...I'm a freedom fighter [goes to another thread to post about AOC's asshole while writing "nig*er" 50 times]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maXXTXIgpu8Jordan Peterson is evil and stupid. He has a daughter and says, “We are here to suffer so learn to suffer like a man.” A potential paradise could be like a never ending DMT trip with the constant pleasure level of heroin. If you get bored then it’s not paradise. There don’t even have to be human bodies. His is just a severe lack of imagination. And there is no sense in which suffering or mediocrity create meaning. All the meaning you need would be packaged into the paradise experience. But I am not experiencing such meaning and perhaps never will. That’s why despite the abundant grace and mercy I think I am not subject to a fully benevolent God. Perhaps God is like Jordan Peterson and I therefore consider him my enemy.
>>24952996>rightoids hate him because he doesn't spend all day obsessing about jewsThat is an obtuse and coddling misrepresentation and you know it.
>>24952996I dont hate him as much as others but he still deserves to be put in a work camp
>rightoids hate him because he doesn't spend all day obsessing about jewsCan the glowies just fire this dei hire already.
>>24953680Hilarious that every time he says something like this he takes a short pause-- then looks off to his side and mutters , "...sorry Henry" and Kissinger just gives an understanding nod in response
>>24953645aint that the point of slinging shit on the internet
>>24953645No it's not that's why it triggered you
>>24953680Is the "DEI hire" wrong thoughThat's literally the main reason rightoids hate him and call him Peterstein
>>24953645>Delusional rationalization/disorganized thinking:There are facts about the world. For example, that media manipulates people, Jews work in media, and psychologists study the mind. However, what a delusional person does is take such facts and use them to confirm a specific narrative (this is known as being selectively coherent). The elements of the narrative aren't actually proven by the facts but the delusional person (or ideologue) confuses their truth with the truth of their narrative. For example: Peterson is a psychologist (fact), associates with Jews (fact), and works in media (fact); therefore he is a skilled manipulator and part of a conspiracy headed by Jews. (This is the delusional rationalization part). The facts don't prove the narrative yet if you look you'll notice they are what is carrying the weight of the argument being made by people who mentally adhere to the narrative--if you deny the narrative these ideologues will confuse this with denying the facts. (That's the disordered thinking part).Basically, the dangerous thing about paranoid narratives is that they have the appearance of being logically consistent within themselves and noticing the sleight of hand that takes place between the facts and the narrative isn't always easy to do. However, it's quite easy to see why certain narratives are simply absurd (e.g. looking at the advanced teachings of a cult versus those they use to hook people in).Peterson isn't the crescendo of a multi-millenia conspiracy headed by a cabal of Jews who want you to not have sex. You haven't figured it all out and you aren't interpreting 5D chess. What you are doing is building a selectively coherent narrative based on truisms and confusing that they necessarily connect to your version of reality. If you find yourselves doing this seek professional help.
>>24953980>Is the "DEI hire" wrong thoughYeah.>That's literally the main reason rightoids hate him and call him PetersteinNo. First, chuds call him "Peterstein". Second, it's because it's easier to seethe about Jews than to fix their lives.
JBP's problem is that the left doesn't like him but he doesn't appeal at all to the right, he was only thrust into fame because the liberal left goes into psychotic meltdown mode when they're reminded people outside of them existhis appeal lies solely with these weird nothing men that kind of just exist without seriously engaging with the world>Anyway, cue the NPC replies.this is exactly who JPB appeals to thoughever
>>24953603Well said.>>24953609Obvious child.The problem here on 4chan is that it is a place that, as a consequence of the liberties enabled by its structure, allow the dumbest most profoundly mentally retarded sacks of amygdala-driven ego husks to believe they have the same standing as anyone with carefully considered opinions that takes into account nuance or potential unknowns, and then gives them the power to use intense levels of directionless rhetoric to stamp out any discussion in a pathological cycle of destruction that makes everyday real world tribalism look simple and quaint.
>>24954142Reread my post because we're in agreement
>>24952996>see same tired “jbp bad” thread for the 900th time>doesn't filterThats a You problem OP.
>>24952996I personally don't seethe about him, but I don't take him seriously. He does useful things inasmuch he, as you said, gets men to clean their room and do something with their lives: it's better they get it from him, than don't get it and proceed to wallow in self-pity - wallowing in self-pity only would lead them to kill themselves, kill a few other people and then themselves, or do nothing and remain a drain on their parents' lives forever. Helping guys avoid that fate is good work, and Peterson deserves credit for that, which I think he rarely gets.What I think he does not deserve any credit for are his attempts at political discourse. The debate with Zizek was an embarrassing joke. His rambling about religion is impossible to follow, and him antagonising progressives with polemics is a waste of energy.I think he should just do the outreach part and spread the word on helping sad guys fix their lives. It's the one thing he does that is constructive and he's seemingly good at it.
>>24954230I enjoy a lot of his writings on religion, however he gets into a mess whenever he communicates online because he can't quite adapt to the modern flow of disposable communication, since he's very much in the old style of besweatered intellectuals sipping wine in a warm room and rambling over not yet fully-formed ideas, where it's ok to throw something out and then flip it over to inspect its underside for truth. Online, that doesn't work, and just leads to him getting caught in bumbling circles of shitposting and confusion. Which is not to say that his criticisms of online discourse are without merit either, but there's still a very obvious "game" he's not getting, and that neutralizes the discussion (which isn't to defend the fact that online discourse is immutably shitholistic in nature, either).I can't speak about his "debate" with Zizek since I have moderately less interest in filmed rhetorical popularity battles, but in print Peterson is by far one of the most articulate communicators about the resentment-based origins and logical and emotional flaws of marxist ideology and the pathologies of collectivism in general that I've ever read. He has a very strong gift for coalescing ideas that were abstractly self-evident into tangible and succinct thoughts that aren't purely axiomatic.
>>24954281> filmed rhetorical popularity battlesI'd respect him most if he did not participate in debates at all, yes. But if you do, might as well try and represent your position clearly and thoughtfully. That's kind of the whole point. I don't think fighting existential battles with people brings out the best in him. If he'd become good at the "game" of shitposting, it'd be just like that. None of this part of his convictions is constructive, and the vitriol is at best useless.
>>24954292>fedora tipper still crying 20 of his fellow neckbeards were BTFO by one Kermit the Frog voiced psychologist
>>24952996You're the one making all these threads, retard-kun. The man has been a lolcow longer than anyone 'respected' him. If not for your solo mission to post this aggrievance porn nobody would be talking about him at all, and i think that's what actually bothers you most.
>>24954354>h-he's a lolcow!Coming from unaccomplished losers like you I'm sure that really hurts him and his fans.
>>24954354>retard-kunYou! Are you Muhammad? From /adv/?
>>24954354How do you actually justify to yourself having nothing but childish, poorly explored ideas? How do you not feel ashamed of being dishonest with yourself in your actions and beliefs?
>>24954393So lit is /adv/.
>>24954406Nta but what?
>>24954425>fantasizes it's just one person who doesn't hate Jordan PetersonIt's either a chud or a trannie.
>>24954434What's the difference?
>>24954441Not much.
>>24952996my issue with jordan peterson is his support for israel and his inability to rein in his own daughter
>>24954406>>24954393>>24954364Absolute seething replies prove my point.
>>24952996Sorry but I will not respect the guy after those numerous embarrassments in public, say his debate with Dawkins or his jubilee appearance. He has become a lolcow - maybe he wasn't always, but he maneuvered himself into that status himself, not as a victim of mean misrepresentation by NPCs. And I HAVE read 12 Rules back in the day, or to be quite honest, I tried to read it. It is written exactly as his lectures are given: jumpy, associative, rambling away about "Big Ideas" and more or less interesting tidbits without any structure or thread whatsoever. It is the style that mesmerizes and impresses the impressionable and "poorly educated"; it's impossible to endure with a somewhat well-trained mind. And from what I have gathered of "Maps of Meaning", much of it seems to be a recapitulation of various esoteric and folk-philosophical traditions, which the author, being much less well-read than he thinks he is, believes to be his original (and revolutionary!) thought. >God forbid someone acknowledges biology and culture at the same timeOh, you mean just like Marx? But I guess neither you nor JP have read him, as shown in the Zizek debate.
>>24954534>seethingNo you.
>>24952996>yet somehow he’s treated like some kind of comic book supervillain.He's mostly just a lolcow nowadays. He and most of his ilk (Shapiro, Kirk, etc) are irrelevant nowadays. Things have gotten significantly worse and much of their former audience has been radicalised and now thinks of them as libcuck faggots. Peterson is on the sidelines whining "f-free speech... individual right..." while the people he used to appeal to are frothing at the mouth and hollering for blood, wanking themselves off to all the pointless displays of cruelty coming from the administration. He invited the beast into his tent, and it had its way with him.
>>24954625>former audience has been radicalisedThey were goners from the start. Though I guess catering to some made up "disenfranchised young males" might not have been the greatest idea yeah. You're not supposed to cater to these people, you're supposed to mock and berate them relentlessly until they either grow up or go away
>>24954633>you're supposed to mock and berate them relentlessly until they either growNot a great plan.
>>24954638>Not a great plan.Pft, that's how things used to operate around here, and it worked pretty well. I don't know what happened but nowadays these fags have basically taken over this place. Used to be everyone would identify the newfags and remind them to lurk more or whateverYou can apply this same principle all across life, of course. Look at that fag Nick Fuentes and all the attention he's getting. How cringe are his appearances on shows with these other retards? Why is anyone even letting him speak? Just call him a retarded faggot and remind him no one will ever take him seriously as long as he's such a gigantic faggot
>>24952996>Not even a huge Peterson fan, but it’s wild how triggered people get over a guy telling lost young men to clean their room and take responsibility for their lives.Yeah that’s who he used to be. His older lectures and works are quite good. Although a bit rambly at times, I did enjoy reading 12 rules. You could see that the moment he left academia, his shit went downhill pretty fast, however. Instead of challenging ideas and culture from within (fighting against heaps of pushback), he’s now gone the easy route, to making podcasts with people he agrees with, for people he agrees with. If you just scroll through his released podcast episodes from the last few years, it’s just him talking to the regular Joe Rogan clientele (Ramaswamy, RFK, Bret Weinstein, Matt Walsh, Russel Brand, Thiel, Andreessen)… not that there’s inherently anything wrong with that, but it’s the pretence that irks me. He’s still riding on the coattails of being a ‘licensed clinical psychiatrist with tenure’ despite not having seen clients or taught class for nearly ten years.A courageous, virtuous man wouldn’t retreat to his fortified motte, surround himself with yeasayer courtiers and spew his dissatisfaction over the plebs living in the burroughs. Yes, Peterson was somewhat ‘canceled’ from academia and mainstream media, but I blame him for not fighting it tooth and nail, or at least not in good faith. In the end, his tenure wasn’t cancelled by the university of Toronto, he resigned himself.
>>24954670>just him talking to the regular Joe Rogan clienteleNo it's not but it's great you've been brainwashed into hating the people who played the biggest role in breaking the monopoly of corporate media.
>>24954653Its over. The word faggot means nothing anymore. The Overton Window has shifted.
