Cavaliers vs Roundheads, who had the better literature? I admit the Cavaliers have a larger amount of great writers, but Milton and Marvell for the Roundheads is a nigh unbeatable combo.
Fuck this stupid board. Retards can't even discuss 17th century literature. Bunch of poseurs.
WAIT NO ANON DONT LEAVE I JUST SAW THISI love this post idea. I also use the correct spelling of poseur. So obviously the Cavaliers, though under appreciated today, have the saucier and less virgin/autistic lyrics. That’s my barometer for good poetry, given it’s written in form.>And we will coin young Cupids. There a bed>Of roses and fresh myrtles shall be spread,>Under the cooler shade of cypress groves ;>Our pillows of the down of Venus' doves,>Whereon our panting limbs we'll gently lay,>In the faint respites of our active play :>That so our slumbers may in dreams have leisure>To tell the nimble fancy our past pleasure,>And so our souls, that cannot be embraced,>Shall the embraces of our bodies taste.
>>24954796In my opinion neither can OP with this Goku vs Superman schoolyard nonsense.
>>24954942A Rapture by Thomas Carew btw
>>24953066/lit/ is a Landsknecht board
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>>24953066Can someone give me a QRD on how intolerant Puritanism turned into cosmopolitan Whiggism and cultured Monarchism turned into inbred Toryism?
>>24955709Finance
>>24955002/tg/ approved
>>24955747you can't just summarize centuries of history with "finance"
>>24955767Yes you can. Everything comes down to finance in the endt. Knower
>>24955709Puritanism was relatively tolerant, that's why Jews and freethinkers took refuge in the Netherlands. It's just that Puritans had autism about Catholicism and they refused to tolerate anything associated with thatToryism as we know it disappeared after the Glorious Revolution, originally Tories were Jacobites, whereas the Whigs turned against the monarchy because it became Catholic--they were still monarchists, they just wanted a protestant monarch. Toryism after that became a coalition landed interests until Disraeli reformed it to be a coalition of the aristocracy and the working class against the bourgeoisie
>>24956125>It's just that Puritans had autism about Catholicism and they refused to tolerate anything associated with thatThis isn't really true. Cromwell sent pamphlets to Ireland explaining that people would be free to practise their Catholicism. It's just that Catholics kept forcing their religion onto the English and allying with Royalists and thus were a serious threat to state security.
>>24956131>free to practise their CatholicismYeah, they could practice Catholicism freely, but without priests, dedicated churches, religious art, processions, monks and monasteries, bishops and, above all, no contact or aligning with the Pope. Quite the grand freedom, I'd say.
>>24956167Freedom of faith does not mean freedom from consequences
>>24956167>but without priestsI'm not sure that's true either. A significant amount of Irish priests were suspected of being involved with the Ulster massacres and were known to be connected with Charles I. There was no sensible situation in which they wouldn't be arrested in masses. There's also Cromwell's letter explaining that he wants to give Catholics more rights but is prevented by Parliament. But this is all besides the point because the Catholics were guilty of exactly what you're accusing the Puritans of doing.
>>24953066Just Paradise Lost alone is enough to carry the Parliamentarians over the royalists.
>>24956107The nose knows.
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>>24954796>Sexy ass>Boring ass>UnknownYou're retarded, kill yourself.
>>24953066Milton is the greatest author of any language.
>>24954942>>24953066I LOVE the English civil war and want to get a tattoo of a roundhead soldier. Down with the crown! Never free under royalty! Blue blood waters the mud! - some slogans I just made up whilst taking a shit.
>>24956262I prefer Paradise Regained.
>>24956190>But this is all besides the point because the Catholics were guilty of exactly what you're accusing the Puritans of doingFrench and Bohemian Calvinists were heavily involved in plots to overthrow their respective Catholic kings from the moment Calvinism spawned. By your reasoning, the Valois/Bourbons and Habsburgs were right to suspend their civil rights.
>>24956336Go home, Blake, you're drunk.
>>24956846Hobbes would agree
>>24953066>Good guysJohn Lilburne and the levellers>CoolestCavaliers>Most treacherousR*undhead scumSimple as
