There is no humiliation ritual worse than advertising your own writing.
Why would it be humiliating? YOu live in a world oversaturated with corporate stories and corpo controlling the internet and media. And while I say that, it was the same in the past as well. Most of the great authors had to work hard to get any recognition, and most of them did not get it in life because the mainstream stuff was still controlled by the rich and powerful then as well. If anything it is mark of putting your soul into the story.
>>24953232Maybe not a humiliation ritual but it certainly is uncomfortably self important to judge that other people should read your thoughts about whatever, especially if you're writing something that isn't bound by rigor and discipline (i.e. most fiction, essays, memoirs..etc). You either accept the fact that you're delusionally egotistical or you fold.
>>24953308there is a third option: you self-publish
>>24953232>humiliation ritualTotally meaningless term these days. People just use it to mean anything that makes them feel slightly uncomfortable and self-conscious. Sharing your writing is humiliating? Why might that be?
>>24953272begging for attention is humiliating. soliciting is always whorish behavior. especially when you have to put on a persona to catch the eye of desensitized mass consumersnone of the great authors had to promote themselves in the cultural climate that writers have to today
>>24953232As someone who self-published his book earlier this year, it's tough man. Marketing really takes an entirely different skill set than writing does and is just a nightmare for introverts since you've really got to put yourself out there. Makes me feel like a beggar. And buying ads through Amazon or wherever you're selling it isn't really worth it until you've got multiple books under your belt.
>>24953367>none of the great authors had to promote themselves in the cultural climate that writers have to todayThey did, except instead of the internet, it was done at parties, in newspapers, or on the radio. But it was the same thing in practise.
get 5 illuminated manuscripts and advertise those on social media with links to where they can buy an ebook. there, now advertising feels like doing an art again.
>>24953375different cultural climatethey had to kowtow to the intelligentsia, publishers, guilds, and in-groups of the time. not the modern consumer cattle that watch booktoks and treat self-help books like doctrine
>>24953232The artist vs. the salesman.Usually polar opposites
>>24953351Self-publishing requires more advertising than traditional, though?
>>24953232don't be ashamed of the things you make :) first step
>>24953382Your average member of intelligentsia, let's speak in British climate, was some average urban aristocrat with middling income and liberal leanings, and shaping his opinions based on what was currently popular. It was literally the same thing right now.
>>24953232you know how the chinese would eat each other's babies? you could promote someone else's writing and he could promote yours
Would you like to read my self published book?
>>24953435there's similarities but they're surface level at bestthere is no parallel people to the modern consumer because consumer culture presides on the modern circumstances of modern technology, production outputs, globalization, and quality of life
>>24953449It is literally a parallel, every issues you mentioned started with the 19th century society.
>>24953457you cannot be equivocating the printing press and the internet or the colonial empires with the globalhomo monoculture of todaynetworking by joining guilds and organizing anthologies in the 1800s is not the same as acting like a show host on tiktok and youtube
>>24953232Then don't spend your time advertising it? Just put up a pinned tweet or something and go write the next work. I don't actively advertise my writing, I just mention it when asked or if it's relevant, and l have it listed for people to check out/buy. No humiliation involved. In fact, it looks like someone bought another copy today, hope whoever it was enjoys it!
>>24953272And corporate shills who dogpile independents for some reason. Yes it draws some attention but most of it isn't good. At best you are quickly ignored and can get to work on your next thing after picking throught the litter for genuine feedback. At worst you become a lolcow and kill yourself?
>>24953232No there are. It's called job interviews
>>24953232I went on local tabloids through the courtesy of my publisher. Guy interviewing me hadn't read the book. Article painted me as a drug abusing narcisist.Second interview, goes pretty much the same as the first one. Even tho the journo had read the book, he was completely oblivious with how extraordinary my work was. Article again failed to capture any essance.Third time the interview was fun but the guy writing the article was like 20 yrs old so it was mid af. Kinda focused on the wrong stuff and even then too little.Fourth and final go at it was a catastrophe. It was a podcast with a guy who may or may have not read the book. The book has a lot of heavy elements and mentions of real life tragedies which wouldn't be known if I wouldn't have reported em. The host scoffs over them as they would be the lightest funniest shit ever and my autistic masking ass rolls with it. Regret hits the moment I walk out of the studio and I know I have ruined everything. I had the understanding that the fucker would've sent me a draft of the interview before oublishing it but no. Straight onto the internets.the worst part was the thumbnail, which clowned in my quotes.I sank into a few months of depression and thought of offing myself just because I had to work with these absolute antichrist fucking normies to get the numbers going on and in the process I lost the sauce and even worse, lost my identity.
>>24953778>caring about shills>caring about lolcowsI will never understand why people are such pansies. If people actually listened, took to heart and lived by advice so many songs, books, movies, anime etc. preach and be themselves we would already live in a paradise.>>24953466Yes, one is literally the precursor to the other.
>>24954751How many sales total?
>>24953382>>24953435I think there's a clear difference between trying to sell literature to the top 5% (in terms of both education and financial status) and trying to sell it to the masses. Bach would never have found success as a "popular" musician in today's sense, and someone sophisticated like Bach can't succeed in today's pop music economy because there would again be little to no audience. Most of what we consider to be literary or music or generally artistic "canon" was only ever appreciated by a small minority of important people.
>>24954906>top 5%Except that wasnt the case. The 19th century is literally when books, music and art were starting to open up to wider and wider mass groups.
>>24954926Literacay rate in 1800 England was only 50% for men and probably around 40% total. "Literacy" basically just meant being able to sign your name, so the number of people who could even READ Tristram Shandy or A History of Tom Jones or Clarissa was likely under 10%. By the end of the 19th Century sure you had higher literacy rates, but that 5% had maybe climbed to 10%.
>>24954870>If people actually listened, took to heart and lived by advice so many songs, books, movies, anime etc. preach and be themselves we would already live in a paradise.That is exactly why I care about, and further, combat shills. Because people DON'T do what you just whined about but DO listen to shills. Like it is ingrained in their genetic code. If you piss off the wrong shill your business and ventures can dry up into nothing if you aren't prepared with a higher minded argument or to stoop to his base sophistry. Lurkers are retarded, no offense intended to the lurkers but, it is true.
Where does one share snippets of their own writing for feedback?
>shame>pride>humiliation>honorimagine believing in this shitlmao fucking retard
>>24954965>"Literacy" basically just meant being able to sign your nameI've been reading pop articles from 19th century England, and although the varieties of spelling are different, everyday people apparently knew smatterings of French and German and could drift in and out of Latin. They knew obscure medieval and classical texts. I'm not convinced people suddenly became that intelligent in the span of only 50 years, since these periodicals emerge in the second half of that century.
>>24954978>>honor
>>24954982The Victorian era and its approach to governance and education. When I romanticize the era I am often rebuked with statistics of poverty rates but I think the same satistics are generally the same or worse now.
>>24955072TRVHT NVKE
>>24954896I think they were like >3400 of which audiobooks were 80%.
>>24953232When I come to power, advertisement will be considered a crime, marketing "people" will be forced to get a real job, and all will be well.
