is Maya Angelou just a simple and basic everyday poet?how can people put her on Great Poets lists alongside Dickinson, Whitman, Neruda, Anne Carson, Geoffrey Hill, et al?is she a nepo baby or something?
a literal Hallmark greeting cards poettbf carson and hill are not exactly needle movers outside of angloland but at least they have (some) craft
>>24953637Blacks are regularly celebrated for achieving mediocrity. It's a big deal for them.
>>24953637academics are beneath subhuman garbage and need to be culled
>>24953637as far as rating her alongside Neruda, Anne Carson, Geoffrey Hill, I for one have no quarrel.
if she were writing today she'd be seen as a marginal improvement on rupi kaur. they have very similar approaches to poetry.
>>24953799rupi is way more artificial Angelou was simple but still had a genuine passion
>>24953637poetry had been a mostly dead medium for hundreds of years; occasionally you have someone remarkable like bukowski but for the most part there is just no effective way for poetry to compete with prose
>>24953817was about to mention there were some very good 20th century poets then i saw you called bukowski remarkable. lost cause.
She’s an eloquent negress
>>24953835She's eloquent for a negress. Critical distinction.
>>24953637A Dickinson poem has all the appeal of biting into a stack of saltines
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>>24953839You're quite a nigress for a white boy
>>24953855You got filtered. The joy of Dickinson's work is that is seems extremely simple on the surface but opens up so much under even very basic analysis.
>>24953866ahh analysis, the true spiritual brother of poetic spirit everyone agrees
>>24953872if you aren't doing at least some base-level analysis of everything you read you might just be dumb.
>>24953975another writer, in a different context (shakespeare) called the analytic spirit the most unkindest cut of all towards a poet.
>>24953750make your case, pls.post a poem of hers that you think equal to ther other poets mentioned
>>24953817>someone remarkable like bukowski
QRD on Geoffrey Hill?
>>24954042i’ve read maybe one or two poems of MA, i just don’t rate those other poets,
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>>24954107? she explicitly said it isn’t gay - it’s fake (like every other facet of k-pop)
>>24954072>>24954107that's not Kpop btwthat group is Katseye, a slutty American pop group that kind of masquerades as a kpop group (but is definitely not)
maybe there is something profound in the simple and basic
>>24954511sure but the simple and basic is expressed by a great many people extremely frequently.Angelou is not particularly eloquent or insightful, so why her and not any number of high school poets or the like?in the USA, she gets more media attention than any poet other than Rupi Kaur.and probably more accolades than any American literary figurewhy??
>>24954522because she's black and a woman and that's the only reason plain and simple anon
>>24954504THANKS DAN SNOW. very valuable info
>>24954072Is she balding?
>>24954525*nudge* we’re on lit not pol remember?
>>24954531fucking kill yourself reddit
>>24954533plain and simple
>>24954533>and probably more accolades than any American literary figureloool
>American talks about poetry
>>24953990>a plagiarist didn't want to get caught
>>24954560name someone with a greater numberthis doesn't include Greatest Poets etc lists, praise from public figures like Oprah, US Presidents, and so on, which are (VERY) many:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_honors_received_by_Maya_Angelou
>>24954652>probably more accolades than any American literary figure>no? name someone who isn’t literary-approved with a greater number are you stupid?
>>24953817Bukowski is a terrible poet but he had scrap and authenticity which is what I think you actually mean, since the whole artifice of the poetry scene is one reason it produces nothing but shit. It’s a giant circlejerk of people with the same opinions and zero life experience giving each other awards. In that sense I can agree Bukowski is good, even if he is rather one note.
>>24956127he had scrap but i’d push back on the ‘authenticity’ charge. he strikes me as incredibly performative, and in a less lovable way than hemingway.
>>24956130nta, but I agree with your performative charge. i've always thought of him as inauthentic and performative as Tom Waits.
>>24956146i always unconsciously made that connection too.full disclaimer i’ve only heard rain dogs and watched coffee & cigarettes as far as TW goes
>>24955528I liked the part where you implied BMW still has quality products. Cheeky and amusing, sir; cheeky and amusing.
>>24955528Race hate isn’t human nature; race hate is the abandonment of human nature. But this is true: we hate whom we hurt and we mistrust whom we betray. There are minority problems simply because minority races are often wronged. Race hate, distilled from the suspicions of ignorance, takes its welcome from the impotent and the godless, comforting these with hellish parodies of what they’ve lost—arrogance to take the place of price, contempt to occupy the spirit emptied of the love of man. There are alibis for the phenomenon—excuses, economic and social—but the brutal fact is simply this: where the racist lie is acceptable there is corruption. Where there is hate there is shame. The human soul receives race hate only in the sickness of guilt.
>>24953817>poetry had been a mostly dead medium for hundreds of years;>occasionally you have someone remarkable like bukowskiWhat an idiotic post. How on earth can you consider poetry dead 'for hundreds of years' when you consider Bukowski remarkable? Utterly moronic.
>>24953990>(shakespeare) called the analytic spirit the most unkindest cut of all towards a poet.So quote it for us to read.
>>24956220i did. did you look at the attached img?
>>24956194>Guess how that happenedStarvation, climate change and absorption into us.
>>24956220>>24956525to be clear, this is a quote from a book about Orson Welles. Anon phrased this poorly so it kind of sounds like he's claiming that Shakespeare said that analysis was bad, rather than someone else saying that analysis is antithetical to enjoyment.
>>24956878to be clear, it’s a book about shakespeare, written by orson welles.
>>24954736are you saying she isn't well-regarded by the literary community?i've never seen a word put against her.
>>24956921… no you misread that. anon said she has more accolades ‘than any literary figure’, then when i pushed back said ‘name someone with more who isn’t on Greatest Poets etc lists’
>>24956878He said >another writer, in a different context (shakespeare)Grammatically and logically, that implies Shakespeare is the context, otherwise he’d have to have written >another writer (shakespeare), in a different context
>>24956878>>24956892As always Welles is a midwit. Buffoonishly advocating for the vague power of 'the stage' to avoid exposing his own ignorance in literary matters. Genuinely embarrassing that anyone would take his opinions about Shakespeare seriously, since he wasn't even good at playing Shakespearian parts.
this guy is DYING for someone to argue with him
>>24956191That bit of writing rang truer and had a lot more impact in the era prior the intimate and constant interaction with "the other" that comes with mass immigration.
>>24956931>said ‘name someone with more who isn’t on Greatest Poets etc lists’I'm the guy who wrote that. Poorly, clearly.What I meant:"Not only has she received the accolades that I linked, but has also been included on many Greatest Poet lists, etc."
other than Anne Carson and Geoffrey Hill, who are other contemporary poets the very highest tier?AF Moritz, maybe? others?
>>24953637I think her poem Caged Bird is worthy of the praise it got. Clinton was the person who elevated her to the household name she is today.
