>First time reading myth of Er in the Republic>nearly 1:1 retelling of the Christian myth of afterlife judgement, down to virtue vs vice/sin, tribulations and suffering for sinners, and Tartarus/hell for worse offenders>wonderful heaven vistas for the virtuous before choosing ones next Daemon and REINCARNATING>the man who supposedly told this tale died in battle and resurrected>all with same book that the Noble lie was introduced to the Western cannonWTF. Is Christianity just a Platonic noble lie -religion? What are the actual origins to this religion? This isn’t even including other religion and myths ranging with the same motifs that predated Christianity.
>>24954076>fedora tipper doesn't know the main reason Plato and Aristotle are so influential is due to their incorporation into ChristianityNGMI
>>24954144I’m not an atheist, you however are a retard that didn’t contribute to the question of the actual origins of Christianity, which is just platonism with a Jewish middle man.
>>24954076In short, yes. Consider as well the connections between Epstein's role as a relationship fixer (and frankly the weird relationship choices of many of the elites) and Plato's concept of a eugenical orgy where the elites all sleep with each other and don't know who's kid belongs to who. Now think about that in relation to the movie 'eyes wide shut'.God's old command to the Israelites, that they will not participate in a census or counting of their number, is also relevant. Why is it that one of the last books Jeffry Epstein ordered was a guide on parenting gifted children? Why was Zorro ranch called "baby ranch"? Why did one of his victims claim she was offered tens of thousands of dollars to act as a surrogate mother for him? There was a millionaire I was researching a while back that seemingly came from nowhere. Blatantly fake background story, unexplained wealth, no heirs, left it all to his 'spiritual advisor', an enigmatic man who went by the name 'Lucifer'. Claimed to have been childhood friends with Woodrow Wilson. No information about his family or childhood can be found.If it makes you feel better I've interacted with daemon's before. Had whole conversations with them. They are very much real.
>>24954076geeze it's almost as if it's all true
>>24954196this is compelling, handmaidens tale as well
>>24954076Christianity was heavily influenced by Roman mystery religions. If you want to strip away the woo-woo stuff, you should look into Islam.
>>24954209The Quran is younger than the Bible, which means Muslims got Jesus wrong in some of the most important ways. They deny the Crucifixion, for example.
>>24954229>the Crucifixion...Is an aspect of Greco-Roman mystery religions being incorporated into Christianity after the fact. You don't need this stuff to have a relationship with the Divine.
>>24954184>fedora tipper seethes because someone pointed out he didn't know Christian ity is the main reason for Plato/Aristotle's level of influence Still NGMI.
>>24954260>confusing to noble lie-slave religion with the divine philosophies that spawned itCart before the horse, retard.
>>24954196Are you just trying to say Epstein was Platomaxxxxing the entire time?
>>24954264>uneducated low IQ fedora tipper continues to seethe over the fact he didn't know something on the internet N G M I (lol)
>>24954267>still not actively contributing anything more to the topic other than trolling
>>24954076This could be an interesting and productive inquiry, but it won't be if you're convinced that it's specifically Platonic, as though the Myth of Er weren't just modeled on other afterlife myths. It also won't be productive if you're attracting the kind of anons prone to posting brain belches like >>24954196.
>>24954271>uneducated low IQ fedora tipper, still seething he didn't know something on the internet, doesn't realize his bullies contributed more to the world than he ever willNGMI(lol)
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>>24954272I wrote everything up knowing that the myth of Er itself is probably influenced by prior narratives as well, hence referencing without stating exactly the other religious and mythological motifs of the time, with Osiris in mind >>24954239. IIRC scholarship also suspects Plato’s mysticism and metaphysics being derived from his trips to Egypt along with mystical Pythagoreanism, these HEAVILY being apparent in the Timaeus, the immediate follow up to the Republic. All of this of course just adds up to Christianity being a chimera crafted by only God knows who during and in the wake of the Roman-Jewish wars.
>>24954285The relevance of whether it's specifically Platonic has to do with whether you're accounting for Christianity as itself Platonic. You seem to be granting that without argument or evidence, you have to be clear about others before concluding that. I would strongly point you in the direction of the following:- Lookig at ancient afterlife myths in general (Sumerian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Canaanite, Egyptian, Zoroastrian).- Philo of Alexandria's Jewish Platonism.- Apocalyptism in general in the Judaism of the relevant period (look at the myriad pseudepigrapha or Dead Sea Scrolls writings), as well as Messianism (see Josephus' history; there were plenty of people claiming to be the Messiah who got killed).- Paul, especially as the most active evangelist outside of Israel. If he's a source, plausible motivation has to be established, some accont needs to be made about his relation to the other apostles, and his apparent willingness to face martydom needs to be faced squarely.These facets are the real minimum that need to be looked at and dealt with before deciding whether Christianity was invented as a medicinal lie (aside: the "noble" lie is only about the birth of the city and the classes in the Republic, the Greek word is literally "well-born"; it's not relevant here), or as natural and believed in as apparently many religions are.
>>24954285You should read Muhammad 'Ata Ur-Rahim's book Jesus, Prophet of Islam. It goes into detail on your suspicions.Basically the religion preached by Jesus was itself a pure monotheism, with a rational worldview and emphasis on resistance (armed if needed) against tyranny. It was co-opted, first by Paul, as a new mask over the old Greco-Roman mystery religions. This bastardized form of Christianity was cemented by the First Council of Nicaea.But the original teachings of Christianity still exist to a certain extent within Islam. There are lots of other rabbit holes you can go down regarding Islam (in particular the Shia-Sunni schism), but while Christianity is undeniably influenced by previous Egyptian magic cults, that shouldn't detract from the teachings of Jesus himself, who was a great man whose existence is well attested to in historical record. Earthly power always tries to co-opt popular religious movements. That doesn't change the fact that a poor Jewish carpenter preaching to a small circle of followers managed to bring the mightiest empire in history to it's knees within a generation.God is more powerful than the schemes of man. Never forget that.
>>24954305My question to you from here is to what extent was the graphing into the mystery religions? Are we truly to suppose that the resurrection occurred, because it seems like the litmus test between layman and philosopher imo.
>>24954076Yeah and the myth and the daemon and the afterlife concepts were all received by Plato from the Egyptians. Christianity goes back to prehistory. Surprise surprise.
>>24954305Most non-Christian evidence of Jesus is just hearsay. Christianity did take over Rome but it was more than 1 generation.
