If only I knew back when this was published how right he was
>>24956032Damn OP, you sure are committed to your hot takes. I haven't been here in like 8 months and this exact thread is still getting posted.
>>24956032I'll be frank with you OP I dunno how you can be smart enough to read books that dry but dumb enough to not have immediately realized that neoliberalism is fucking retarded the moment you first learned about it. Nothing about it makes practical sense, and it's only somewhat feasible during a period of near-unipolarity. The last time neoliberalism was successful was at the pinnacle of the British empire. It's honestly just theft dressed-up as economics. Globalization will outlive the neoliberal period (barring WWIII), but it will mutate into a more sustainable, realistic, and equitable form. We're in for some dark days ahead, but the long term outlook is actually quite optimistic. The waiting is always the worst part.
I actually think liberalism has been vindicated by the insanely incompetent display of the unliberal forces (putin, bolsonaro, Trump, Xi) all of them have been abject failures and their regimes are collapsing.I used to believe liberalism was done for during covid times. But since then it just seems like liberalism is the only system pragmatic enough to not shoot itself in the foot.The reason Russia, Hungary, Trumps US and China are failing is because they all are scoring own goals. They are fucking up themselves. Liberalism as a philosophy and political philosophy protects against self-owns by basically locking the nation into a bureaucratic gridlock.The irony is that the arguments against liberalism (bureaucracy, managerial class, political gridlock) are the precise reasons why it will survive and why it is superior to the other ideologies. Self-owns are the number one reasons regimes, governments and states fail throughout history.Liberalism essentially makes the government so weak that it's impossible for them to make a self-own, thus outcompeting systems with state interference that just ends up fucking shit up for themselves like Russia, Hungary, China and Trump US.Francis fukuyama doesn't realize this, but his "end of history" book was completely correct and essentially proven over the last 5 years time.
>>24956128I really cannot understand how someone could believe this anymore when the rubicon has been crossed a million times already. The pretenses of adhering to liberalism are being dropped around the world. Currently, the right-wing and the technocratic elite have come to a conclusion that ethnic cleansing is the only way to salvage liberal societies. This is no longer just some fringe idea among twitter anons, it’s the explicit goal of people like Elon Musk and now American congressmen who have all but embraced the ideology of Anders Breivik. Elections will be decided in the future on whether or not politicians are willing to deport every Muslim from the West for example. These are measures that not even America’s illiberal opponents are doing (despite the Xinjiang crackdown China still retains its Muslim population). And never mind our allies like Israel pretty much in the early stages of embracing Kahanist fascism The idea that all of this goes away after Trump is ludicrous. If the elites are unable to salvage the dominance of the West as they see it then they’ll resort to drastic measures. What comes after this year and after Trump will be significantly worse. They’ll lash out, they’ll blatantly contradict liberal democracy, etc. It’s just so absurd to me that any of you are still clinging to this idea. If you’re a liberal and you really dislike everything MAGA has done to the world, you now have no choice but to play by their rulebook, liberal ethics be damned.
can i get a brief summary on the book?
>>24956224>can i get a brief summary on the book?Isn't that one of the major use cases of current artificial intelligence?
>>24956215>Currently, the right-wing and the technocratic elite have come to a conclusion that ethnic cleansing is the only way to salvage liberal societies. This is no longer just some fringe idea among twitter anons, it’s the explicit goal of people like Elon Musk and now American congressmen who have all but embraced the ideology of Anders Breivik.You are so blinded by redditism. The current technocratic elite is still multicultural and is still trying to push mass immigration from India. The only thing that changed is that they realized they were pulling so many migrants that it was destabilizing infrastructure to the point that short term profits were no longer outweighing the ultimate costs to the system.This is ironically liberalism in action, as it takes a slightly more rational and conservative approach to migration, undoing the harm of unlimited mass migration, while preserving the system that keeps wages stagnant and displaces anyone that still remembers how good things could have been with third worlders who are grateful for what it isn't yet.The right is fundamentally split between the ultimately liberal, globalist, and pragmatic tech-"right" and the "right right" as Musk calls it, "backwards," nationalistic, parochial and idealistic people that are genuinely skeptical of liberalism. The "tech right" is just one expression of the progressive neoliberal left that has taken an alternative approach to perserving the globalist project, and the "right right" are the remnants of truly populist forces that are ironically closer to leftist socialists than the tech right. But as an extremely dogmatic and wildly idealist person, you will collapse all nuance into a battle between your side (complicated and nuanced) and The Other (Literally Anders Breivik nazis!!) so any discussion about this is doomed to break down into pointless babbling.
>>24956235if i'm going to use AI for everything, then why would i use this site?
>>24956245Not sure what point you’re trying to make here. When it comes to the nitty gritty then yeah, Musk and co love immigrants like Indians, but let’s not act like these technocrats even have logical or consistent views. Elon Musk is the same person who weeps about the collapse of the West and humanity entering a dark age every day on Twitter, and then he claims that AI will actually fix everything and eliminate disease, war and poverty.The point is that when the elites start talking about “remigration” and “white genocide” then there is no coherent framework in which liberalism can operate. When congressmen are saying all members of a group of people must be deported, that’s that future of Western governance. The writing is on the wall. Preserving the international liberal project cannot be done using liberalism, and people like Karp, Thiel and increasingly Musk are perfectly willing to transgress it. You’re absurdly naive if you think these tech oligarchs, who are openly plotting to treat us all as insects, are seriously interested in being liberals anymore despite all their preaching about freedom. Drastic times will lead to drastic measures
>>24956273>The point is that when the elites start talking about “remigration” and “white genocide” then there is no coherent framework in which liberalism can operate.As opposed to indigenous genocide decolonialization? You are stuck in one set of moral idealism. Liberalism has never been without internal contradictions, and by and large the elite are not concerned with "white genocide." The closest anything came to it was a claim of it happening in South Africa. This "no coherent framework" is a product of your imagination.>Not sure what point you’re trying to make here. When it comes to the nitty gritty then yeah, Musk and co love immigrants like Indians, but let’s not act like these technocrats even have logical or consistent views.This is the crux of how pointless your retort is, when it's just "aww hell it's all random and contradictory and yeah I guess they want millions of brown people lol but, I guess like... umm... like they talk about stuff that makes me feel weird and my tummy starts buzzing and i start breathing fast and it just... the west has fallen."Ok?You are writing endless unsubstantiated conjecture. Most of it is no better than what you'd call /pol/ antisemitic conspiracy brain rot. I am telling you actual substantiated facts: The "big tech elites" still support immigration, still want brown people in employment, and are still fundamentally liberal. This is what I mean by pointless babbling; I tell you the facts, you write some conspiracy and rationalization for why the facts don't align with your unsubstantiated political juvenilia.
