>>24958783
that pic somehow made me remember Soulmate Adventure
Are there any wn or LNs like Soulmate Adventure?

>>24958783
Chinese donghua sucks. They have such high budgets and high production value but most are just shitty cdramas at their core. I am watching Renegade Immortal and RMJI, probably the best of all the donghuas and even they suck. G-d why can't they produce at least one proper series that is about cultivation/adventure and with none of that cdrama shit.

>>24958745
At least 18 minimum because of how eager keyboard warriors are to throw out pedophile accusations

now that the griftnigger cabal has been sundered, can we start a craftsman cabal of enlightened sloppers?

>>24958890
That's already /wng/

>>24958890
>sees an example of usernames ruining a community as they always do
>now let's do it ourselves

>>24958890
they could have at least let me finish writing and join in on the grift before imploding...

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Other overly detailed people how do you go about cutting stuff? Even after all these cuts I'm still at 2700 words.

>>24959004
nah this means you can get in on the ground floor of the new discord, that's always more effective than being a latefag
get to sucking dicks, sweetie. never been a better time

>>24959019
2700 words is a fine chapter length for a royalroad chapter. why do you need to cut it more?

>>24958947
It's just the Chinese xianxia insert mindset in a nutshell, really. The problem with a grift isn't the lying or the scamming or cheating the customers, it's that you're not getting your cut of what you think you deserve.

>>24959025
The sites at the OP all say 2500 words maximum. If 2700 is fine though I'll keep it and just focus on the review phase.

>>24959033
litwangers like to think of themselves as the wolf of slop street and come up with arbitrary rules
so long as you're not dumping 500 word or 10k word chapters you're probably fine

>>24959019
read more, it comes naturally. That's a pretty good length to have, however. It's good to keep chapters to a 3act structure wherever possible, bloating it with more beats and mixing purple prose in is what leads to the former(bloat), focus what's important a]to the story and pace and cut out th excess(he looked atthe makeup stand and desribed its design for the next 6 paragraphs. she stopped to think bout what she saw/heard for the next 8 door stopper paragraphs, thn pondered about wht to o for the next 11 until suddenly cliffhanger...). 2.7k is good though.

>>24959019
just post it

>>24959033
>The sites at the OP all say 2500 words maximum.
Huh? Defier says
>You can be flexible in this regard. My advice is to start at the lower end and work your way up in word count as you get better acquainted with marathon writing. The first chapters of DotF were 1,500-1,800 words, 5 times a week. This has gradually increased as I gained experience, and I now comfortably release 2,800-3,200 word chapters 5 times a week.
So even he's doing 3k word chapter averages now that he's not a newbie.
And his guide is for a specific style of turbo slop like what he writers (DOTF) where daily releases are a huge benefit.

And the anon guide says
>Basically, it's more about a weekly word count. You want like 8k+ a week
>The more the better. Daily would be best, 5x weekly of 2k words is common
>3x of like 2.5-3k can work fine
>Even 1 fatty chapter a week has several successful stories

Stop listening to advice anyway and look at the data yourself. It's trivial to go sort by most followers on RR (or recent explosive successes) and see what their schedules/chapter counts are like.
A 2700 word chapter is not too long. It's not even approaching long, it's just an average chapter.

>>24959038
>so long as you're not dumping 500 word or 10k word chapters you're probably fine
nah 10k word chapters are fine, infrequent fat chapters work, just less commonly
what never works is the tiny 500 word chapters. Chrysalis is the absolute shortest I've seen which has like 800 word chapters occasionally but those are the low end and they get up to 1500

I read a short 40-chapter completed story called The King's Eyes. It was... okay.

>>24958890
>now that the griftnigger cabal has been sundered, can we start a craftsman cabal of enlightened sloppers?
The facts, such as they are...
1) Tina-anon mentioned it first upon learning about writer's cabals and how they operate nd what they do.
2) Everyone lost their shit at the idea of a /wng/ writer's cabal. The reeeeeee-ing was at an all time high at the idea. Of course, Tina-anon was bereft of any sense or sensibility for even suggesting such.
3) responses? "oh, its just the way things are, anon." and "Reeeee! I'm emailing the RR mods right now!"
4) Observation... a writer's cabal and their practice of group launches and coordinated shout-outs to get on RS and hold the spots was obviously legal.
5) Observation... if its legal for *them*, why then should it be illegal for another cabal to spring forth and do what is perfectly legal.
6) Who would both protect the existing cabal(s), while at the same time screech about anyone else doing it. That's the big think. Cabal writers are obviously lurking here.
7) this is about the 10th time that *another* anon has proposed or wondered about starting some kind of /wng/ cabal.
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conclusion. coordinated launches and coordinated reviews/shouts are useful, they work, its legal. The fuck is the problem. a WNG cabal need not be dicks and they could act honorably.
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yes, this is the dreaded Tina-anon. I'm not even angling to get myself into it. I just want to see *others* here do it.
>
amid all the "you got to be meta, you got to be meta", I notice there are other anons that want to write what I would describe as "trad style" stories. Like I want to. What about a "cabal" where those of us that want to try it, do so. Or whatever, but we all have to do something.
>
quit being ashamed of being a /lit/-izen! It reminds me of people ashamed because they grew up poor. Fuck that puppy shit. I'm old enough, I was *there* reading paperbacks in the 80s and 90s. I mean before the woke shit started creeping in. The increase in woke characters and situations, the woke speeches dropped in to preach... this is what drove normal readers out of trad pup genre paperbacks. Sites like RR and others, the KU thing. The trad industry? Has *zero* input. People want what they always wanted. Which is... what genre slop was before this shit got rolling. Crime thrillers. Detective hard boils. What the fuck ever.
>
just let your collective balls drop already. I don't even want this for myself anymore. I just want to see a couple dozen here, do it. At least *entertain* the idea. Several authors come up and out of this, its all it would take.
>
Tina-anon done with the rant. But whatever you do? Don't listen to me. Just keep listening to voices telling you "oh, just write better" and my favorite... "quality doesn't matter, you just need to be on meta, dude."
>
wake the fuck up. (throws energy drink in your faces)

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>>24959033
>>24959038
>his chapter is 2501 words
NEVER GONNA MAKE IT HAHAHA

>>24959039
> bloating it with more beats and mixing purple prose in is what leads to the former(bloat)
I cut all the prose that could even seam to be purple. I'm worried I did a tad too much info dumping but that's for the reviewing side. If there's something to cut it's probably the fact that the chapter doesn't end immediately after the failings of the antagonist.
>>24959043
>And his guide is for a specific style of turbo slop like what he writers (DOTF) where daily releases are a huge benefit.
That makes sense. I'm not going for that kind anyways. Honestly what I've done clocks out to about 8 pages which still feels pretty short compared to what I usually read but that's just something I'll have to adjust to.

>>24959119
>Honestly what I've done clocks out to about 8 pages which still feels pretty short compared to what I usually read but that's just something I'll have to adjust to.
2700 words honestly is pretty short compared to most fantasy novels. If you're not writing RR-meta-slop you should listen to that instinct that's telling you the chapter feels too short. Which web novels inspired or are similar to yours? What do they do?

>>24958890
schizos like this >>24959104 are the ones who would join your discord cabal lol

>>24959114
I'm imagining a reader counting words carefully. Halfway through a WN, they hit 2501 and abandon readership and for no other reason.
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Yeah, right.
>
my thoughts are this. the chapter has to have a purpose. Its a short story in its own right. But all the chapters, are coordiated such that all the short stories (chappies) support the overall framework of the story. Don't make filler, don;t make things just to increase word count. Also don't cut out things that support the chapter's purpose. "Kill your darlings" sounds good, and it is. But its not some overall over-arching needful thing. What is needed to support this chapter's purpose, does this go towards it. Within reason, the chapter(s) will be as long (or as short) as they need to be, to accomplish the purpose. pantsing, just so you can "achieve" a million words? Is counter-intuitive to quality. I've read tiny chapters amid giant ones around it, and I've encountered big chapters amid smaller ones. If they do what they're supposed to do, and that goal is good... its fine.

>>24959104
I've already explained to you, tina, that a /wng/ cabal would be useless because you need big names to pass out meaningful shout outs. There are no publicly associating big authors here.
A handful of 20-follower stories shouting each other out would do literally nothing.

>>24959131
>>>24958890
>schizos like this >>24959104 (You) are the ones who would join your discord cabal lol
not true.
I am Tina-anon, and I already stated and will stand behind it. do it for yourselves, not me. I'll stand out of it, that's obviously a concern. Personally, I think authors who have "done something" need to vote or discuss which other author stories to include. There you go. No Tina-anon.
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What's the complaint now. other than "just don't do it, dude." I know I'm not good enough (yet) to be in on it. But for the anons who are? There you go.

>>24959104
>whole reason for wanting a cabal is to grift
eugh
I'm pro local cabal but only if there's no cross promotion of any kind. maybe even off trend stories only
auto filter out all the snakes

>>24959151
>contrarian cabal
lol
lmao

>>24959151
>I'm pro local cabal but only if there's no cross promotion of any kind.
that's not a cabal that's just a regular discord community
usernames ruin the point of 4chan. why does every general try to start one?

>>24959151
>maybe even off trend stories only
the offmeta writers are discord faggies. i'm shocked

>>24959155
contrarianism is the heart of 4chan

I have an alternative solution: Everyone should start using trips

>>24959126
I've been recently getting into some light novels but this formatting is new territory for me. Most of them being translations from Japanese and comparatively niche. That being said, most fantasy books I read, even contemporary ones, go at least 3000 per chapter.

>>24959163
You need to figure out what exactly you're writing and see what other stories similar to yours do. Are you trying to pick up the LN audience, the fantasy novel audience, the RRslop audience, or what?
Even within RR there are a lot of different subcommunities expecting different things.

>>24959136
>I've already explained to you, tina, that a /wng/ cabal would be useless because you need big names to pass out meaningful shout outs. There are no publicly associating big authors here.
>A handful of 20-follower stories shouting each other out would do literally nothing.
thank you, anon. A "real" response. I appreciate it and I'm not sperging out. yet I would hesitate and point out a bit of logic...
1) if we all keep doing what we're doing, we can expect no different results, ever.
2) we all know that its not just about writing quality in and of itself. It takes something more.
3) you said, "will do literally nothing" and that's not totally accurate. A couple dozen "20 followers" writers shouting each other out? Would produce... more "twenty follower" authors out of those that joined in. You *now* have the ability that everyone gets to "40 followers". Now while this is "very ttle"... its not nothing. Its something, and something is better than nothing. if all it did was serve as a useful test, that's enough. "Enemy" isn't the right word, but its close enough here. The enemy is organized. We? Are all fragmented. We have to at least d-i-s-c-u-s-s the idea.
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There are really good writers here! I've seen some of them in the contests. I was impressed. The couple I'm thinking of? Could get this going. Or, just keep doing nothing or whatever and don't expect anything to change.
>
Examples...
1) the anon that made several "it was a dark and stormy night" threads. That anon has some magical ability to ape Marlowe-style hardboil. Anons were reading the threads? Always several saying "I would read this".
2) the one contest, the anon that won the one contest, did the *most* touching and heart-felt writing about his dying wife situation. He could do something really heart-wrenching.
3) there are others. everyone's just afraid. Quit being afraid, all I'm saying. So say it accomplished nothing (or very little). What's lost, i ask you.

>>24959174
>if we all keep doing what we're doing, we can expect no different results, ever.
It's more than possible to succeed without a cabal. The biggest success of the year on RR didn't get a single shoutout and had no prior novels or audience to leverage. Brand spanking new pen name.
>2) we all know that its not just about writing quality in and of itself. It takes something more.
Yes, an understanding of the market and a proper launch strategy.
If you're writing offmeta, cabals won't help much. You have to be a phenomenal author (e.g. ErraticErrata or Hungry), so ironically, writing quality IS what matters most in that situation.
>3) you said, "will do literally nothing" and that's not totally accurate. A couple dozen "20 followers" writers shouting each other out? Would produce... more "twenty follower" authors out of those that joined in. You *now* have the ability that everyone gets to "40 followers". Now while this is "very ttle"... its not nothing. Its something, and something is better than nothing. if all it did was serve as a useful test, that's enough. "Enemy" isn't the right word, but its close enough here. The enemy is organized. We? Are all fragmented. We have to at least d-i-s-c-u-s-s the idea.
You are drastically overestimating how much shoutouts help followership. You can expect MAYBE half of one percent of a shoutout to convert. A 5000 follower story MIGHT give ~30 followers at the highest, and that's assuming the stories are similar in genre and style.
A 20 follower story shouting out a random other story will almost never give even a single follower. So yeah, it really will do almost nothing. It will not boost 20 follower stories to 40, it probably wouldn't boost them to 21

>>24959168
>Are you trying to pick up the LN audience, the fantasy novel audience, the RRslop audience, or what?
Classical fantasy under a light novel format. I know that a lot of light novels originally start out as web novels that then get published. This is new territory for me and trying to remove as much detail as possible is certainly something I'm not used to.

>I'd rather betray the world than let the world betray me.
Define your characters in one sentence or quote. If you can't, ngmi.

>>24959220
All life has meaning except my own.

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>>24959220
>You betrayed me?
>It’s fine. I wouldn’t expect much from you anyway.

Is "Soren" too anime of a name

>>24959220
fuck right off back to tumblr with this nonsense

>>24959220
>I am Aryan.

>>24959292
I don't know a single anime that has a character named Soren. Though I don't watch much anime. I just think of Kierkegaard.

>>24959132
You could try to keep your 4chan posts under the word count of 50 or less, if you want them to be read

>>24959197
you're probably right, and thanks again for entertaining me with a real response. I still think we should all do *something*. Whatever that even is.

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>(throws energy drink in your faces)
Lolis and Gentlemen, please, can we maintain a sense of decorum? Let's not waste energy drinks senselessly. Nobody's going to start using names or trips.

>>24959302
>he doesn't know
ngmi

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How do I come up with arcs/story points to put between the start and end of my story?

I can figure out how I want the story to start, how I want the first two, maybe three arcs to go. I can figure out how I want to end the story, what the climax should look like and a bit of the build up towards it. But I can't figure out what major story beats I need to hit in between.

I feel like having 3-5 good, big climaxes (book endings) is necessary to be able to fill in the gaps. Trying to pants everything from start to end probably isn't going to go well for me.

>>24959332
have a theme

>>24959332
There are character arcs and plot arcs.
Characters should have flaws that need to be "corrected" before the climax and ending, at which point the character is "complete."
Plots are about the setting, and the setting is treated like a character for these purposes: the setting is arranged in a certain way at the beginning, and by the plot, changes to a different arrangement at the end.
Personally, I also like to daydream about scenes. "Oh, I should have the MC slay a dragon, and it should cost him something." So I come up with a bunch of scene ideas and then scatter them throughout the story.
The other anon is right too, a theme is a good idea. Some message you're trying to convey through different scenes, or an idea you're trying to explore.
I'll warn you, a theme of "systems are bad actually and you wouldn't like to live in a LitRPG because it sucks" is unpopular with RR readers. The correct theme is "your life only sucks because it doesn't follow video game rules; if it did, you'd be a winner and this is what that would look like."

>>24959019
Delete every single time you say very/rather/really/quite/in fact/pretty/of course/surely/actually
Then remove adverbs.

But 3.5k ish is closer to the average for the succesful stories I checked on RR anyway
I'd do 2.5k as a rule only if you're really keen on 3 chapters a week

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You know what?.... I WILL write an isekai. It WILL be litrpg. It SHALL have a pink-haired elf girl with a voluptuous body and FAT MAMMERIES. And I'll have fun. It shall be so. space opera war epics? I'd never! fun things will be fun.

>>24959356
>le adverbs le bad
this is retarded non-advice just like "always show don't tell"

>>24959361
>And I'll have fun
like the morning sun coming over the horizon
burning away the patreon hungry vampires

>>24959361
I prefer them more than hentai because most hentais just draw giant circles on a skinny woman's chest and think that's hot.

>>24959365
No, it's very solid advice for adding clarity to amateurish writing.
Everyone who gets really aggressive about it turns out to be writing super wordy tedious stuff.

>>24959356
I'll delete some stuff. I also realize I don't need to put "x said" or anything denoting a character replying during a conversation as much as I do.

>>24959377
>No, it's very solid advice for adding clarity to amateurish writing.
I do agree generally speaking, but saying to delete EVERY instance is bad advice. Adverbs and hedging phrases have their place. Amateurs just overuse them.
That anon had to have been baiting replies

>>24959361
Based, Japanese-style isekai litrpg-lite is my next fiction project, too. See you on Rising Stars!

>>24959361
Why not write a litrpg isekai with a pink haired elf girl with a voluptuous body and fat mammeries and have it be a space opera war epic?
don't do this, I'm already writing it. I will be adding a pink haired elf with fat tits in your honor

should I add races other than humans into my webnovel?

>>24959382
>>24959377
Double checked. I had 6 of those adverbs and trimmed it to 3 unique ones. I reworked sentences to also remove unnecessary "x said, yelled, etc." sentences and ended up adding more words than I removed, but since it doesn't matter I'm in a fine position. I'll just take a break until after the reviewing phase is done.

>>24959409
Only if you actually do something interesting with them, from a thematic or plot point of view.

>>24959324
>I still think we should all do *something*. Whatever that even is.
Frankly, it's "get gud". Only way to make up for writing unmarketable stuff is to be really damn good at writing. Jerking off in a discord together won't do anything.

>>24959332
What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?

Should I write my webnovel?

>>24959437
No.

>>24959443
damn..

>>24959432
Kill!

chatgpt generate me book cover of man fighting monster

>>24959446
Nah fuck that guy, you should do it.

>>24959437
yes but only if you consult me every step of the way for permission and approval

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I accidentally made my villain cooler than my protagonist...

>>24959523
that's (almost) all of them though

>>24959102
Did you rike it?

>>24959102
>40 chapter
>48k words
>short
uhhh

>>24959601
novella length

>>24959621
thank you for unruffling my jimmies :)

>>24959621
Clearly you don't know the length of a novella.

can i get recommendations for stories with both interesting power systems and good fights. most of the time with the stories i read near the mid sections of stories in WN's they stop talkalking about attacks or the ways there applied they just talk about blows and explosions. in the early parts of the stories have fights that are more desperate and more elaborated upon.

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>The retard who wants to make a shitcord is none other than tinatroon

>>24959653
googling it literally says 20-50k words. and that tracks with my own thoughts too. 48k is not something I would call a full length novel
obviously it's straddling the border of the definition but it's still a novella more than a novel

>>24959668
>good fights
surprisingly rare
I'm setting out to write something which focuses on action and fights. stay tuned

Fights are boring in writing. Play to the strengths of the medium

>>24959361
Make it Magical Girl Gunslinger but without the depressing stuff

>>24959722
I genuinely think one of the few advantages comics have over novels is being able to make back and forth action sequences compelling and engaging to the plot.

>>24959722
disagree
they're just hard to write

>>24959739
Lol that's hardly a controversial opinion. Manga/comics have the advantage of low production costs compared to video while remaining visual mediums, meaning visceral genres like comedy and action work much better
>>24959744
Of course, it always comes down to taste. If you like action that much as a genre, you'll like it even in writing. But would you say any fight scene in a book has impressed/engaged you as much as those in audiovisual mediums? I would be surprised if the answer is yes. Which book did fight scenes that well in your opinion?

The interesting part of a fight in writing is the dialogue and emotions—the strong part of writing as a medium in general

>>24959752
NTA but the fights in mistborn are extremely interesting for me due to the fact the magic system forces the combatants to be extremely creative of course dialogue and emotions were major parts but the way fight scenes played out were always very eye catching

>>24959757
True, writing allows for much more complexity in a scene because you can describe what's happening in as much detail as you want. I can see your perspective from that view
But I'm looking at it through the lens of: does it get my heart pumping? Action scenes in books simply don't, ever. But even a kinda mid anime could. Just how audio and visual stimuli/a human brain works

>>24959722
>Fights are boring in writing. Play to the strengths of the medium
OK, I can see this. That said, I grew up reading genre novels and some fight scenes were more exciting/better to read than others. Caveat though. When young, I had no "real" fight experience and I was entertained by... whatever. Older, I was actually a fighter (for workout). I then found *many* text fights to be... well, dogshit, to be honest. In the movies, the good guy is almost getting there, but then he;s getting his s kicked, and hard. But? He really *really* wants to win... and... he suddenly jumps up, fresh as a daisy. He's found it in him, and... yeah, its kind of juvenile. Older and fight experienced, I read "the Sinkiang Executive". First text fight I read that was gritty, realistic, and I could say "yeah, he nailed it".
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Most authors and I read a lot of genre novels, really dont seem to be well versed in firearms and accuracy shooting in general. Ditto for the fight scenes. They seem to be the book equivalent of a screenplay for the gunfight/shooting/fight. Now. If you know the movie "Shooter"? I was excited to hear it was in development, because I was a bench rest shooter and had read "Point of Impact" by Stephen Hunter. His descriptions in the book of the gun, caliber, and reloading dies was really good. Two of the movie scenes shooting exploits begged credibility, but hey... its a movie.
>
I would say that fights and gun-fu scenes suffer from (most) authors not being well versed in fighting or shooting. The problem being? Knowing something of both... and particularly with guns. Real life isnt the most awe-inspiring thing to read in most cases. And realistic fights (in text) that make sense to me don't satisfy that "expert jung fu master" thing that (most) viewers/readers are expecting.
>
That said, I try to make my own gun scenes in writing, more down to earth. If my fight scenes seem "not exciting enough", well.. real fights are rarely two martial arts experts squaring off for a twenty minute kumitae final fight.

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>>24959668
Reverend Insanity has great fights.

>>24959700
google it. about all sources credit 80k words as "official full novel length". There's a ground between "end of novella" length, and 80k, making it I suppose "short novel".

>>24959752
Action is intrinsically visceral. It simply takes too much time to visualize complicated scenes for stuff that rely on your reaction to something instantaneously to feel.

>>24959690
>tinatroon
I don't wear knee socks, lol

>>24959700
>>24959784
I'd all with you, but you're the sort who fully trusts AI search summary results, so there's no point.

>>24959780
reverend insanity is like 1/5 the reason i made this since its the most recent one i got finished with. mortal fights (imo) were much more interesting to me due to the fact they were lacking all-arounder capabilities every gu immortal has a way to heal, block deductions, scout, etc they could do it all but the mortals had limitations as well as the fact there attacks were actually explained. Gu immortal fights when put into writing were always a powerful attack of light or just some explosion there no emphasis on the attack and its effects and if it is talked about its barely important cause it didn't do shit. look at any gu immortal fight there is killer moves just thrown around willy nilly (mostly mortal but you get what i mean) The scale jumped so rapidly that different type of Paths didnt really matter since gu immortals can just overcome this. the only reason gu immortals dont use different elements is due to to cultivating there blessed land as well as dao marks but those dao marks dont truly weaken attacks (with some exceptions) but they do make healing somewhat difficult using other paths methods. all in all what im trying to say is i like fights where the characters are limited and have to be somewhat creative i loved mortal fights for this reason.

>>24959803
Mortal and immortal are different, having unlimited primeval essence/ability to use practically unlimited (mortal) gu worms changes the way fights are conducted.

>>24959803
Basically fights in the written form are interesting when they're tactical as that's what gets the reader to stop and read. If you just do a stand up fight with a series of attacks and blocks with no real purpose to any of it the reader will just skim it all and see who won.

>>24959813
yeah i know. it makes sense in series but still when you read it you dont really feel enveloped in the fight.

>>24959832
yeah pretty much. thats why im looking for a story which conducts fights like this as well as a power system that forces the combatants to be tactical i hate just straight punching matches since they suck in written form.

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>>24959803
I guess I just enjoy strategic back and forth more than the blow for blow details. I like it when everyone is hiding their cards and probing each other, managing different parts of the battlefield, competing through multiple phases of the fight, adapting their plans on the fly, gaining and losing ground repeatedly, almost winning then barely hanging on by a thread, then finally revealing their trump cards at the end. RI does that type of fight extremely well.

What's the new ImmInk discord?

I spend hours writing just a few paragraphs. How can I learn to churn out slop quickly?

>>24959977
Allegedly one of the best ways is to learn to do speech to text well and just keep talking without much thought.

>>24959798
>I'd all with you, but you're the sort who fully trusts AI search summary results, so there's no point.
what I claimed (80K is universally accepted "full novel" minimum length) is *all* over, not just "AI". You on the other hand, are claiming the authoritative (and contrarian) source of... ??? So please imbue us.

>read litrpg
>writer gets rulebook brained
>characters are incapable of thinking outside the box, even for extremely obvious things

>>24960020
Example?

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alright sisters.... fat tits elf protag, female protag with fat tits elf sidekick. Or male protag, with fat tits elf sidekick? the femmc may have fat tits... I din't realize hiw har it'd be to strt a fantay sloppa story.

I am incapable of designing good side characters that aren't hostile

>>24960078
oops im trans and drunk btw

>>24960082
This but one's that aren't friendly and reasonable

>>24960078
Guy gets genderbent periodically as fat tits elf which is when he has his powers. Then he turns back to male and tries to keep this a secret from his fat tits LI.
Actually I think I read this as a manhwa (except the elf and fat tits part (I think))

>>24960089
I thought about genderbent tanya the evil style but plump fat elf tits, I'm admittedly not too familiar with how it may be received, I may not be trans but I am shitfaced

>>24960089
which manhwa?

>>24960101
I wonder if he means ranma 1/2

>>24960103
No I definitely didn't mean ranma, I wouldn't confuse that.
It was an academy setting. But I've read so many of those I can't even remember what medium it was or if it was Korean or Japanese.

I have such a hard time starting new stories. The tropes I enjoy the most usually aren't tags that you can search and the openings of most (web) novels are just utterly terrible.

anyone know any stories taking place in a BLAME-esque setting?

>>24959668
The Storm King had a duel in the recent chapters and I was surprised by how well it read. I could easily tell what was happening and it didn't feel too boring that I wanted to skip. But I don't remember how good the early fights in the story are. I remember that some are pretty alright, but I last read them 7 years ago.

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eureka: femc heckin wholesome lesbian litrpg fantasy. I'm locked in.

>>24960315
You should pitch it to Disney. They'd eat that shit up.

>>24959733
the depresso stuff was the best part though

>>24960315
>wholesome lesbian

>>24959668
Lord of the mysteries fights are pretty good until the last 15-20% or so when the powers get a bit too high level and abstract.

>>24960078
female protag with fat tits elf sidekick and severe breast envy

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>>24960315
>femc heckin wholesome lesbian litrpg fantasy
back off, kid. you're on my turf
t.

>>24960359
That's a lot of yachts

My story has no fat tits, because the love interest is a lizard.

>>24960362
This is exactly how I expect anyone that enjoys lesbian femc stories to look

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>>24960423
I imagine they look like this

>>24960419
>love interest is a lizard
this is the third such web novel i've heard of after wandering inn and atzi. shadow slave anon is gonna FREAK

>>24960434
That too

>love
>sex
my webnovel has no need for these mortal desires
I pursue only the eternal dao...

>>24960458
I added an unnecessary straight romance just to push gender norms and normality in general.

>>24960458
Based
>>24960460
Somehow also based

are there any cultivation WNs where the very act of cultivation causes damnation, and that very damnation is a significant aspect of the story?

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Where did all these shoutout beggars come all of a sudden? No, my readers will probably not want to read your cultivation slop, or vice versa, so me shilling it for you would only make me look like a retard.

>>24960483
“Damnation” isn’t really a thing with Taoism. And why would you make a cultivation novel where cultivation is le bad and sends you to uber hell? Cultivators usually already have to face calamities and tribulations sent from heaven.

>>24960455
I'm thinking about writing some patron exclusive smut with them. It feels weird since it would start a year into the release of an otherwise sexless story, but I think the details of how human dick perfectly stimulates her cloaca significantly contributes to the arc of how these two deeply damaged individuals end up in a codependent relationship.

>>24960485
dont worry anon, when the anti-chinese act is inevitably signed, these xianxia enthusiasts will be dragged away to interment camps for being cultural agents of the chicoms.

then the WN sphere will finally be western, and its abbreviation shall be right and glorious.

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>>24960483
mine once I write my Barker-progression fantasy and how did you know about it

>>24960488
yes, but the oldest forms of taoism that have survived to the present have been heavily syncretized with buddhism, so all cultivators can go to Avici for 60 billion years of torment as they deserve. i would have the MC recite “Total Cultivator Death” if i could get away with it.

>>24958783
Just ESL question, but isn't this clunky:
>Hastily dismounting, Liu Bei asked what had happened.
Wouldn't that be:
>Hastily dismounted, Liu Bei asked what had happened.

>>24960502
The first makes me think Liu Bei jumped off his horse asking a question.
The second makes me think he was forced off the horse and is confused about what caused it.

>>24960502
No, it has to be the first one. The second uses the past participle, which implies that Liu Bei was passive, that the dismounting was done to him by something else.

You could say
>Liu Bei dismounted hastily and asked what had happened

>>24960502
The meaning changes, dear ESL.
>Hastily dismounting
In the process of getting off a horse.
>Hastily dismounted
The action finished, standing on the ground.

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>>24958783
what is the meaning of MLA in this image?

>>24960576
My Little Anon

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Should I post my web novel exclusively on RoyalRoad (like Zogarth) or also upload chapters to Spacebattles (like Beware of Chicken's author), ScribbleHub (like Max Level Archmage's author), wattpad, fiction.net, etcetera?
What are the pros and cons of each one? I might stub and go KU in the future (like my hero Zogarth), so I'm assuming he sticks to RR/Amazon exclusivity for a reason.

>>24960717
There is no reason not to post everywhere if you can. It all comes down to whether or not you can be assed to do it.

>>24960717
max level archmage is Ai written or translated I think
tested it last week

hits 10% human input

>>24960717
Managing updates and feedback on multiple sites turns to a full time job pretty fast. And good luck convincing Amazon they have exclusivity when your work is available in a dozen places and another two dozen rippers. But I'd write the story first and count your chickens only after they hatch

>>24958783
Web novels aren't writing. Read some Nabokov. Kek.

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>>24960776
This kino mogs your garbage

>>24960722
>>24960751
Sounds like keeping it RR+Amazon exclusive is the way to go. Expanding to other websites seems a lot of work for no reward, or actually a counterproductive thing to do if you want to stay in Amazon's grace.
>>24960729
I didn't say anything about AI, but I've thought the same thing. Archmage reads too robotic, too monotone or tone-deaf. Most AI-detecting apps I've used are complete bullshit, though, I've tested my own original writing and excerpt from centuries-old classics, and they've hit >50% human input or less most of the time, so don't rely too much on those.

>>24960576
>what is the meaning of MLA in this image?
I was always good at *guessing* all the comp. sci. acronyms cold in college. Hmm. This, coming from a person who doesn't read (or write) WNs... Max, Level? I guess Archmage. There, I guess Max Level Archmage.

>>24960460
>I added an unnecessary straight romance just to push gender norms and normality in general.
I wanted to make some sot of social statement w/o going nuts. So I designed MCs girlfriend to be what I considered the ideal woman. She complains about women's behavior, lol. I figured a male char compaining would be "incel!" but as anything, only an X can complain about other X's behavior. EG, I wrote a woman as a man but left the tits on her, ha ha. I've met a handful of women like this IRL, but they are more rare than hen's teeth.

>>24960082
this, except I had to learn to give my MC flaws and let a side characters sometimes point out what he missed, or side character has strengths the MC doesn't but he's okay with it. I can't abide a "total hero" MC, they must have shortcomings and flaws.

>>24960362
RavensDagger is a guy? I always thought they was female.
>>24960862
That's a good guess. Archmage wasn't part of the conversation when that image was posted, though. But it makes sense.

>>24960879
>>24960879
nta
>So I designed MCs girlfriend to be what I considered the ideal woman
>I wrote a woman as a man but left the tits on her
Your "ideal woman" is a "man with tits"? That doesn't seem straight or being in line with gender norms or normality at all.

>>24959977
when I read, I get a sort of movie in my head. writing in he reverse process for me. I imagine/daydream what comes next while working or doing things. Working and refining the imagined thing. So when I sit down to write... I just describe the little section of movie in my head. If your characters are "real" and "important" to you, it makes mindless work and chores more endurable. Pro tip: I've been working and re-working several characters over multiple projects, changing names and settings to fit. So I'm intimate with these characters, I know everything about them. I think of them as kind of "actors" I created in my head, in different "movies". I reason that when one text finally "makes it" I have well developed characters, the down side is that the other texts it would be obvious that I reused character models. I don't care if I have to do this a dozen times, to get the first good one people like to read. Whatever it takes. But, I *really* know these characters.

>>24960894
>RavensDagger is a guy? I always thought they was female.
Women don't write women, they write two dudes fucking.

>>24960895
>Your "ideal woman" is a "man with tits"? That doesn't seem straight or being in line with gender norms or normality at all.
I'm joking when I say "turn your spectrum off", lol
Its an analogy, a metaphor. Not literal. Can't you imagine a woman that grew up playing baseball and football with the guys, and didn't like hanging out with girly girls. She grew up hanging out with boys, earned and got treated as one of the guys as they came of age. So she thinks and acts like one. Where do you think those six foot tall female college athletes that don't "run like a girl" come from anyways. As an athlete when young, I hung around girls just like this in college. When they're comfortable around you, you'll hear them shake their head at typical girly girl behavior.

>>24960931
I know it isn't literal. I'm saying you want a man, but with female gentalia. They aren't following feminine gender norms at all.

>>24960931
real life example. My ex. grew up on a farm. her dad and brother looked like shaved mountain gorillas. I mean, they looked like NFL linemen, naturally. Her sister? 5'11", what you think of when you say "big girl". But that was the girly girl sister. Mine was 6' even, and had her dad and brother's big skeleton. Her sister would be doing girl stuff, she was tossing 90 lb. haybales with her brother. Decent looking girl... just big. She *thought* and *acted* and *talked* like a guy, too. IRL, her brother was moving from starter house to dream house. We went for moving party. Girls were all wrapping knickknacks in newpaper whle gabbing abut baby socks and shit. I'm smiling, I know this is torture for her. When the brother's one friend was killing me not handling his end of this long oversized chest freezer, I got frustrated. He could hold it, but not manipulate it around corners and stairs.
"Honey! Get over here and help me!"
I got my end, she took one of the corners to help him. He *still* couldn't navigate the stairs, so... she shoved him out of the way and grabbed HER end of this big chest freezer. We did fine that way.
Everyone was eyes bugged out and rolling their eyes seeing this. The guys were smiling, and the girls there? Were all looking at her terrified. She was as strong as the men there. She continued moving the big furniture with all us guys while the girls wrapped knick knacks. I had male friends who were nervous around her if she was irritated. I knew sports girls in college who were like this, I wifed that up quick, lol. Ain't a lot of those gems around, you know. When she was graduating law school, we were at a bar in the city, celebrating. Some local guy was giving her shit. She's finally telling him she's going to punch him in the mouth. Guys looking at me, I laughed. "Dude. You better worry about her, not me." Guys with us are looking at me, ain't I gonna stick up for my girlfriend. I ordered another shot. "He gets what he deserves, if he keeps it up." He got the idea *quick* when they started pushing and shoving.
>
Why she never played sports, I have no idea. Women like this, have explosive leg strength and grip strength you wouldn't believe a girl can have. But she grew up hanging out with her brother and his friends, not her sister and her girly friends. So her actions reflect that. The ancient Greeks, made statues of women like this. And I understand appreciating it. If more "feminists" acted like *her* instead of like annoying twats? I think men would be fine with "feminism".

>>24960987
Maybe I've misunderstood.
What is your intended social statement?
That both men and women should be as masculine as possible and literally no one should be feminine?

>>24960987
for reference,are you in your 40s?

>>24960994
He's not making a social statement. It's clear from his responses that he's just writing his fetish.

>>24960968
>I know it isn't literal. I'm saying you want a man, but with female gentalia. They aren't following feminine gender norms at all.
I'm not irritated, I heard this and similar a lot, trust me, lol.
Best way I can explain it. If you saw her from a *distance*, you would say... oh, girl next door. Nothing masculine about her to look at her from a distance, with nothing to gauge her size by. Its only when you see her around normal sized girls or you walk up on her that you realize it. Trust me, I thought about this a lot over the years. The only thing not feminine about her, is her size and strength and a few other things. Honestly, I think most men are just intimidated or don't like the idea they cant push her around like any other little girl. Thats physically or socially. But that's "normal guys" off the street or in the office. The guys I lifted weights with ad played sports with? Had no problems. (they weren't intimidated)
>
My dad was an old school tough guy. You don't push women and children around. I mean, how "tough" of a guy are you really, when you expect to go around insulting and pushing women around. That's a weak act, to me. But, you do you. To me and my way of thinking? That's an alpha female. A real partner, not just some little "pet" that hangs around me. Guys in offices around her, I could always tell the new guys. They thought they're gonna talk over her, order her to go get coffee.
New guy: Hey, we'd all like coffee for this meeting.
Her: Me too. Its in the break room.
New guy: I meant, why don't you go and get it.
Her: What. You don't know how to make coffee, or you can't carry it.
PS - she *hates* feminism, and she calls girl magazines like Cosmo? "retards monthly".

>>24960879
>She complains about women's behavior
Idk this will probably market well depending on your intended audience but pickmes with no solidarity would land her at the bottom of my character list, be careful about how you write this

>>24960997
He's more likely to be a young zoomer who somehow came to believe that contemporary gender norms and traditional gender norms were the same and is contemptous and disdainful of actual historical gender norms..

>>24960994
>Maybe I've misunderstood.
>What is your intended social statement?
>That both men and women should be as masculine as possible and literally no one should be feminine?
not at all. Lets say, we decide to move this big couch, over there. Most women stand there and watch you struggle. Most can't help you. But if she's strong enough anyways, what's wrong with that.
Look, I get where you're coming from. As I said, you do you.

>>24961040
What is your social statement then?

>>24960997
>for reference,are you in your 40s?
nope.

>constant finger quotes
>meme arrows as linebreaks
its tina you retards

>>24961055
who the fuck is tina

>>24961037
>He's more likely to be a young zoomer who somehow came to believe that contemporary gender norms and traditional gender norms were the same and is contemptous and disdainful of actual historical gender norms..
not at all. I'm late 50s. Also, my parents both dies when i was 11 months old so I was adopted within the family. My dad I grew up with was 20 years older than all the other dads. So when I say old school, I mean old school. Those older guys weren't like today. Though I'm late 50s now, you would have to look at a guy late 70s, to get my values and take on things. I see all these little tiny 5'6" skinny little boys, acting tough. I think, what a pantywaist, thy ain't shit. When i was young? The guys that lived through Korea ad Vietnam were running around, blue collar workers. You didn't fuck with those guys. I've seen the world change so much, I could puke.

>>24961066
>he doesn't know every /wng/ meme and personality
Lurk more to learn the culture. Do your archive reps.

>>24961055
>its tina you retards
ah. One of my many fans that recognizes my pen name. And a good day to you as well, anon. The only reason I chose a female pen nae, was because I read about the trad pub was oriented towards women writers, I thought it would help or at least not hurt. The irony is that being here for this long and getting used to WN stuff, I'm noticing the "female author, nope. Female MC, nope." thing. I'm considering switching to a male pen name. And for the record I have the ability to fly under radar and not have my posting style picked out as "that's tina" I just don't always do it. I'm gaining ground as I go, and I must say I would have to credit this place as a sort of finishing school for my writing.

>>24961068
>I'm almost 60, so I was born around 1965
>You'd have to ask a guy who is almost 80 for my views
>That's 20 years older, so 1945
>He was 20 years older than the other dads
So, let's say the other dads were around 20. That'd make him 40, which would be 100 now, 1925.
A lot of other details aren't adding up either. Put more effort into your LARP.

>>24961066
>who the fuck is tina
tina is me. my pen name (for now). I'm a unique individual so I kind of stand out some. As evidenced by regulars recognizing me without me saying my name.

>>24960576
MLA is very similar to the Japanese story The New Gate that was obviously inspired by SAO and Overlord.

>>24960894
>RavensDagger is a guy? I always thought they was female.
Yeah, they've never hidden it but it's fucking hilarious how they've totally gotten away with their lesbian fetish.

>>24960994
It's Tina-anon. He's genuinely retarded. There's no real point in talking to him.

>>24961093
>>I'm almost 60, so I was born around 1965
>>You'd have to ask a guy who is almost 80 for my views
>>That's 20 years older, so 1945
>>He was 20 years older than the other dads
>So, let's say the other dads were around 20. That'd make him 40, which would be 100 now, 1925.
>A lot of other details aren't adding up either. Put more effort into your LARP.

I hope you write better than you read.
>
I... am almost 60, late 50s.
because my parents died and I was adopted within the family?
my *father* was 20 years older than all my friend's fathers.
So, to wit. While I am pushing 60, my *values* are those of a person 20 years older than me. Because my dad was older. So I grew up around older people. My parents were 20 years older than they should have been. Which meant my grandparents were 20 years older than everyone else's as well. My adopted parents were born in the late 1920s. They lived through the deprivations of WW2. My grandfather actually fought in WW2. Everything about me, was as if I were 20 years older than i actually am. Its a little bit like being a time traveler, let me tell you.

MLA is AI???

>>24961121
>It's Tina-anon. He's genuinely retarded. There's no real point in talking to him.
opinions vary. I prefer the term eccentric but some prefer to hang the moniker of bat-shit crazy. I have two STEM degrees in mathematics and computer science. I'm well read by modern standards. I taught myself classical music composition off and on from about age 20 to age 40. I can diagnose and fix anything electrical as well as electronics. I've done machining and design work before. I can rebuild engines, do construction work. So yes, definitely I'm retarded. But I lived a life worth living with lots of varied interests.

>>24961127
The deprivations of the Great Depression were worse and seem more relevant to mention.

>>24961139
the issue isn't that you're genuinely retarded, it's that you're genuinely autistic (or something of that sort)
you're also an extremely poor communicator. you ramble and ramble and ramble and also speak in very strange ways that makes it difficult to understand you. ive never seen someone construct sentences or arguments like you.
it's a very concerning trait for a writer. learn to talk like a normal person and convey your point like a human

>>24961156
>The deprivations of the Great Depression were worse and seem more relevant to mention.
they were. Because my parents talked about being toddlers and what it was like then, I was fascinated to read about the period. Also it was interesting to meet old people who lived it. I heard a lot of hair raising stories about what it was actually like, that didn't get put into history books and accounts. So while I don't agree with FDR and the whole "new deal" that led to today's nonsense... I can appreciate how it happened. Example? First hand account.
"there was no work, at all. You would starve. Now rich people, they just sat on their money and lived high on the hog. You wanted to eat? You had to go and be their *slave*. At meal time, you got the scraps ike you feed a dog. You got to sleep in the basement or the garage. Literally, a slave who was paid in dog scraps. Young women, well... the rich guy or his son would &^%$ the pretty girls. Then the doctor, would come to do the abortion. If the girl died? She died. More where she came from."
THIS, is what it was *really* like to live back then. Like I said.. hair raising and you never get told this stuff. The rich people had all these "slaves"? Their children were taught to kick you or yell at you. you know, so they learned how to "be in charge" one day. And? People wonder where in the hell class warfare came from. I don't know, big stumper there. I'm personally conservative and totally *not* into class wrfare, but... as the middle class gets whittled down, this stuff is coming back slowly. if it keeps up, the future is going to get... interesting.

>>24961179
oh, I'm vastly different, I'll give you that one. I always wondered why growing up, but I got used to myself. I decided one day that I most likely have a touch of Aspergers. Reading and intellectual pursuits are some of the only things that bring me true joy. Poke fun all you want, I won't sperg out about it. I genuinely like myself and learned to enjoy being different. Growing up and coming of age was very... difficult, trust me. I was all set growing up to just be some weird intellectual. Then I decided to study other things. Fighting, shooting, how to fix and build things. I ended up half goofy intellectual, and half old school hard ass. Which is a *very* strange thing, I grant you. Leaning how music works was very trying on me, but it just took me longer. It gave me a taste for art. Which gave me a taste for writing. My writing is coming along, but its like music was. I have to understand it my own way. But it will happen.

>>24961128
It's not

>>24961114
>gotten away with
nobody actually gives a shit. you probably care more than most for even making this post

>>24961114
>gotten away with
you have a funny mind
imagine thinking every piece of fiction is self portraiture
he really fooled everyone who thought he really was a lesbian bunny girl

>>24961251
>>24961255
do you wanna make a third post before I respond or was two enough for you?

>>24961276
lol you're a schizo too. not surprised

>>24960894
Ravensdagger absolutely has to be a guy. The way he writes his lesbians is very clearly a guy not really being interested in writing pov char romance with a male

>>24961114
>they

>>24961255
>lesbian bunny girl
I don't think he ever presented himself as anything other than a raven in a tophat

>>24961307
I know they're a man. Using they is part of language and especially common when you're referring to someone with a silly username instead of "Dave Smith".

I've almost certainly got posts on here calling people like steven king they. Quit being histrionic.

>>24961343
>Quit being histrionic.
not likely, that guy spergs out at least every other thread about pronouns. the libs own him body and soul

>>24961343
>they

brando sando's writing lectures are good
they should be mandatory before attempting to write any kind of slop

>>24961471
lol

>>24960483
>the very act of cultivation causes damnation
it's common in very many cultivation stories that the very act of cultivation is to defy the heavens and this is the origin of heaven-sent tribulation lightning. but they don't really do the christfag afterlife thing.

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>>24960576
>

>>24960489
Make sure to include an arc later on where she's extremely mystified why she became pregnant because she thought their species weren't intercompatible so they never used protection

>>24961488
seethe

>>24960502
Second one reads awkwardly. Using dismounted in the passive voice here implies it was something done to him by an external force and not his own action (for example being dismounted by a heavy weapon blow), BUT "hastily" doesn't make sense in that context.

>>24961499
Let us know when the teachings of master sando take you to success (lmao)

>>24961512
the most popular slop writer of all time has some things to say about writing popular slop

cope

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>>24961507
>passive voice
Is it?

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>>24961533
>he trusts the schizoid glorified web crawler search bot.
genuinely ngmi and I don't mean that as a meme

>>24961533
the "hastily dismounted" gerund is what I'm calling passive chatgptsister... obviously I'm not referring to "asked what had happened"

>>24961557
Liu Bei jumped from his horse before it could stop. "What happened here, tell me Wu Ji Sneed?"

>>24961577
Yes that's a much better way to word a similar sentence.

Adverb verbing, Subject verbed object.
That's the correct way to describe a subject doing something while doing another thing, usually saying something. It's just how English is.

You can expand it thusly:
WHILE adverb verbing, Subject verbed object.
The while can be dropped and is assumed in the original.

"Dialogue," said Subject, verbing adverbly.
Similarly, the WHILE is assumed.
"Dialogue," said Subject WHILE verbing adverbly.

>>24961627
he cute