Odysseus and Diomedes murdered Dolon in cold blood despite his surrender and the promise they made to spare his life in exchange for information on the Trojan encampments. The Greeks were the villains of the Trojan War, just like the British during WWII
Yeah no shit. But might is literally right. Hector was a great man but gg no re, faggot.
That's just how Odysseus rolls. He loves to lie so much than even Athena teases him about it.
>>24973157Diomedes is the goat, and if that guy got tricked, he should be happy to have been tricked by the best of the best.
>>24973157>But if I let you go (and accept your bribe), then tomorrow you will once again spill my brothers bloodI say BASED.your people >>> money, jews seethe at this
>>24973170Pallas loves liars so much, she's better known by an epithet referencing her patronage of dishonesty as the founding principle of a society than by her actual name. Almost as bad as Phoebus getting renamed as a god of disease just cuz his babymama butthurt that she raised heir kid to be a retard who can't even drive. Goddamn, I love a mythology that ain't afraid to call its gods out for being messy bitches.
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Dolon's character was from an older substrate of the myth (before it was euhemerized and amalgamated with a real bronze age war) that lost relevance in Greece after the bronze age collapse. He was the Mycenean equivalent of a ulfheðnar, probably from a proto-Lycean Apollo wolf cult (Etruscan Suri?). They were elite drugged out berserkers. In the original story, proto-Diomedes would have killed him despite the deal because he was too dangerous to let live. By the time Homer was writing it down the Greeks didn't know what the fuck the point of his character was.Pic rel, you can even see an "Irminsul" in the background.
>promise they made to spare his life in exchange for information on the Trojan encampmentsthat didn't happen tho, Odysseus just tells him to chill out and speak, didn't promise a thing
>>24973157>muh villainsStick to your Hollywood slop if you want villains, faggot.
>>24973157>The Greeks were the villains of the Trojan WarNah, both sides and especially their kings were bad, the men of both sides were good. Except for Paris. Fuck Paris. >Odysseus and Diomedes murdered Dolon in cold blood despite his surrenderBased.
>>24973157>The Greeks were the villains of the Trojan WarWell, duh. Trojan War was a part of the Bronze Age collapse, and the Greeks were one of the invading sea barbarians, the likes of which Ramses III was able to throw back into the sea and preserve his country.
>>24973157Might makes right and all that, but it is quite fascinating to notice how more "modern" values like family and motherland start to emerge im home's writing so much so that he seems sympathetic towards the trojan at times. Fast forward a millennia or so and Hector is considered an example of chivalry and honor while achilles is just a brute and a fag
>>24974499Achilles was raping and murdering young kids he lusted after and desecrating the bodies of his enemies. Ajax raped Cassandra in Athena's temple as she clung to a statue of Athena, pretty much the most blasphemous thing that happened in the entire war, even Odysseus demanded he be tried for it. Achilles' son, Neoptolemus, also murdered Hector's very young son by throwing him off the high walls of Troy.The men were not "good" (besides Hector and Aeneas, who were both pious and honorable).
>>24974501While true, the Trojans were vassals of the Hittites, who were at war with Ramesses II. Ironically, the Hittites would have sent help to the Trojans if they weren't already dedicating all of their resources to fighting the Egyptians.
>>24974543>the Hittites, who were at war with Ramesses IIThat's one of the most hilarious parts of ancient history. Both got fed up with each other's shit, sent forth truly giant armies, fought by far the largest and most spectacular battle of the whole ancient world, both retreated, both declared glorious victory, and then became like the best buddies in a matter of something like a couple decades, IIRC, sending presents to each other.
>just like the British during WWIIok now you are just trolling
>>24974499Priam was good, wtf you talking about?
>>24973157Funny that Diomedes calls Paris a bitch for using a bow when the night before he was killing people in his sleep.Anyway, there are no "villains" in the Iliad aside from the gods
>>24974531>Achilles was raping and murdering young kids he lusted afterPost homeric fanfic>desecrating corpsesYes. Lost his shit, went berserk after years of war. Gave the body back, gave Priam 11 days of peace and ended his wrath showing Priam respect.
>>24974518>Fast forward a millennia or so and Hector is considered an example of chivalry and honor while achilles is just a brute and a fagThat's because the West has become infested with weakness and avarice just like Troy was. Hector was indeed a great hero, but the only way he could beat Chadhilles would be if the rest of the Trojans weren't degenerate little faggots.
>>24974518Helen loved Paris. If you take it as pro-Greek chesthumping then it's strange to start it out by getting cucked, causing such violent jealousy that you launch the first world war which starts with one of the main "heroes" sacrificing his daughter to the gods.It may be nonsense but I like exploring the idea that Helen represents the love of the Hellenic people, using princesses as symbolic for the people was apparently common. The Danaans may even be recent foreign conquerors in Greece, not the original Mycenaeans. With the foreign Trojans still more similar to the original Hellenes than the conquerors are. Danaan may be the people from the river Dan or rivers in general since like half of them are called a variant of Dan in indo-European.
>>24974593True, a feasible case can at least be made for the Greeks.
>>24975448If any part of you really believes either of those were the "good guys" you are a golem.
>>24975573I am literally saying that there is gray area between the Greeks and Trojans.
>>24975252Have you ever heard the theory that Helen was taken from a different (older) myth about the daughter of the sun being kidnapped? Apparently the name Helene is related to "Helios" (the sun), and Menelaos is related to the "Mene" (the older name of Selene, the moon), and there are parallels between Minos (whose name may be related to "Mene") and his wife Pasiphae (who was also the daughter of the sun).
>>24974798>there are no "villains" in the Iliad aside from the godsYou don't consider Agamemnon to be villainous?
>>24975573Between the dudes who carried out holocausts the UK are the "good guys". But the UK did commit heinous acts in their colonial nations like India.
