I am a recovering fash, and in 2026 I wanted to do a lot of additional reading on Marxism, Socialism, etc. I have already ordered the Marx-Engels reader, but I am always looking for more. I've been reading this stuff voraciously lately and feel like a changed man.
Don't bother with Marx unless you like economics.His politics are trash utopian nonsense. Research the only real way as soon as you can.
>>24973322I don't know much about anarchism, yet. I do know that there is a lot of leftist infighting between Marxists and Anarchists, though. What's the deal with that?
Recs:https://www.versobooks.com/en-gb/products/803-a-companion-to-marx-s-capitalhttps://www.versobooks.com/en-gb/products/1676-the-limits-to-capitalhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch01a.htm#a2https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
>>24973329I've already read the Manifesto. That's what got me started on this.
>>24973334Marx's historical method:https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/18th-brumaire/https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1859/critique-pol-economy/index.htmEssential reading in order to understand Marx's materialism:https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/theses/
>>24973271read Bordiga's report on fascism
Also, currently reading this:https://www.versobooks.com/en-gb/products/3032-the-automatic-fetishI'd suggest you begin with Harvey's companion and then read Limits
>>24973271Capitalist Realism has become a corny book to recommend, but it really is a great, compact work of polemic.
>>24973271You're a peasant, so you can't be a fascist or anything else. Only a useful idiot.
>>24973428I actually make decent money. I'm not poor or destitute or anything like that.
>>24973271I bet you're fun at parties.
>>24973326Control-freaks versus anti-control-freaks.
>>24973439You have to go back.
>>24973271read Main Currents of Marxism, there's still hope for you to turn back!
por vous OP https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/12/24/lcoe-d24.html
Reading Marx deeply just made me more a fascist. I consider myself a Marxist and a fascist. Most 20th century Marxists were profoundly un-Marxist, they take Marx in strange directions or modify him somehow. I see no necessary contradiction in accepting Marx's diagnoses of capital, of adopting a basically historical materialist outlook (at least provisionally, with regard to social and economic history), and nevertheless concluding that Marx's diagnoses and prognoses are compatible with corporatism rather than communism. You can be a Marxist without being a communist, indeed you can be a communist and a fascist as long as you (as Marx did) see communism as a long-term telos and not something to be achieved in the immediate future. Hell, most modern Marxists are profoundly un-Marxist precisely because they mistake Marx's long-term telos, international communism, for a PRECONDITION of socialist revolution. Marx was categorical on this, as was Lenin: the national-liberal revolution is the dialectically necessary form of the bourgeois epoch and necessarily precedes the international-socialist revolution of the proletarian epoch. Marx was also categorical that the transition from national-liberal to international-socialist revolution would take place through national-socialist revolutions. He consistently stated that the best way to bring about the long-term telos of global communism was to focus on accelerating the dialectic in one's own nation, viz., by galvanizing the one's local (i.e., national) socialist movements and effecting a revolution. The Paris Commune was a French socialist product with international implications, not an international socialist utopian project. I think Marx would have reacted to the failures of his own predictions about a global capitalist crisis taking place before or around 1900 and leading to a global communist revolutionary conflagration by shrugging and saying "it was always going to be messy, revolution isn't exact science." I think he would have looked at the socialist movements' betrayal of socialism in WW1, as they all voted for national solidarity and suppression of radical left types like Luxemburg, as perfectly understandable. And I think he'd see the national-socialist (i.e., fascist) states' rebellion against Anglo-American capital and Bolshevik terror as perfectly understandable in historical materialist terms. Mediation of this kind is quintessentially Hegelian. If you want to further international socialism, disassociate yourself from internationalist utopian socialists who prefer to live forever under neoliberal capitalism (which is transitioning into absolutist technocracy) and begin associating yourself with national socialists who at least earnestly hate capital.
>>24973442>t. never gets invited to parties
>>24973439I don't bring this shit up at all at parties because I'm a normal person.
>>24973326Marxism is a faith based on "scientific socialism" that believes capitalism will reach a point they call end of scarcity. It's just a shade of liberalism like that. At the end of sacristy all the governments will just decide to let the people go to finally live in communism. Anarchists refuse to wait or capitulate to authoritarianism. Which is why both Marxists and liberals kill them on sight. Sociologists have given much credence to the anarchist tendency. Whereas the Marxists have proven to be a dead end that everybody hates.
>>24973697Ironic that sociology does have some Marxist roots. If Marxists didn't poison the well they could've had a coherent philosophy based on Marxist historiography and sociology that places science above Marx. Instead they placed Marx above science, even claiming his speculation as "scientific" and thus fell into the abyss of dogma.
>>24973271You'll regret it
>>24973389No, its fucking satanic nonsense
>>24973455>t. ranny
>>24973906Yeah>Marxist historiographyHistorical materialism. Frankly I think it was done better by the French annales school. I can't even call myself materialist anymore.
>>24973451Based beyond belief
>>24973451>And I think he'd see the national-socialist (i.e., fascist) states' rebellion against Anglo-American capital and Bolshevik terror as perfectly understandable in historical materialist terms.Well sure but that doesn't say anything because everything that happens can be understood in historical materialist terms because there is nothing "outside" history. Historical materialism is a method for explaining all social formations as they develop historically. That also goes for counter-revolutions. >If you want to further international socialism, disassociate yourself from internationalist utopian socialists who prefer to live forever under neoliberal capitalism (which is transitioning into absolutist technocracy) and begin associating yourself with national socialists who at least earnestly hate capital.Marx and Engels wrote about forms of socialism like "German" (or "True") socialism in the Communist Manifesto that read to my eyes as proto-fascist in structure because the "German" socialists were taking French socialist ideas but turned them into a critique of liberal capitalism from the right while claiming they represented some metaphysical "destiny" or whatever. At any rate here's Germany in the 21st century:https://youtu.be/X1scd4tgehU
>>24973451long way of saying trots are retarded and marxism-leninism is the truth
>>24973271>I am a recovering fash,I do not belief you.
>>24973946Why's that?
>>24974500Is it not that the Fasco-Marxism is more Stalin than Lenin? The former was a big proponent of Socialism in One Country. That's what I've gotten out of it.
>>24973271GOOD THREAD
>>24973271Good luck on your transition xister
>>24975132The funniest thing about replies like this is that (you) and people like you are probably soft-handed do-nothing faggots who couldn't hammer a nail into soft pine trying to talk to me about "tranny" this and "tranny" that. Take a hike.
>>24975168I'm not sure what hammering a nail has to do with anything. HRT Delusions I suppose.
>>24975180How many trannies are there in capitalist countries compared with USSR or China?
>>24975214USSR doesnt exist and China is a state capitalist Han ethnostate
>>24975214>https://youtu.be/IVjQrceheXQ?si=YujxHFcUImf_u82lEducate yourself, chud.
I used to be a nazi, now I hate nazis, but I don't know what to read. I hate stalin, I hate lenin, I hate mao, I especially hate everything that has to do with fucking cambodia. I hate marx because he was a bigot, but I understand that everyone was a bigot back then.I just hate it when supposed "progressives" put figures like these on pedestals despite what they've done.are there any books regarding ideas of communism which aren't related to horrible people? books which don't push for statism?
>>24973438Way to show him (you are actually a neo-technical peasant.)
>>24974857Its pipeline from Marxist-Leninist to Anarcho-Communist to Liberal Tranny. Its very real.
>>24975168I'm a burly guy with a moustache
>>24975168
That's funny. I read almost everything in the reader plus the rest of Capital and also Lenin, Lukacs, Adorno, Horkheimer, Benjamin, Althusser, Debord, Badiou, Fisher and Zizek and I still ended up as a fascist. Go figure.
>>24975326Just go back to playing video games and gooning lil nigga. You aren't built for this.
>>24975373This lmao, it's true though
>>24973451>>24975370The one thing I notice about all fashos who read Marx is that they always appreciate him and agree with his critique of capitalism. No one remains in favour of capitalism after reading Marx and thinking seriously about a system that thrives on driving itself ever deeper into crises and contradictions.
>>24975370You haven't read Adorno then
>>24975381It would be true if the tendency of the rate of profit to fall was true. But that doesn't seem to be the case. And the biggest advocates of socialism always tend to be brown people or upper class white savior types. Never the white working class. So I dunno. If that wasn't such an issue I might agree with him wholesale but only his praxis is interesting.
>>24975388It is true though, it's a core part of the process in the reproduction of Capital
>>24975326Pol Pot doesn't actually have theoretical backers except me. Chomsky only liked them for third worldist reasons, not how to apply his ideas in the west. Thats where I come in, minus his distaste for organized religion.
>>24975392Okay show me the evidence, because if anyone is right its Baudrillard, not Marx.
>>24975395https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2022/01/22/a-world-rate-of-profit-important-new-evidence/
>>24975384What makes you say so? Other than bias confirmation.
>>24975388The biggest contradiction doesn't reside in the falling rate of profit, but in the fact that capital keeps retreating further into the aether by means of financialization. At this point, the entire economy is built on signs and speculation, and will eventually implode once it runs out of avenues to extract surplus value. Marx has never been more right than at the present moment.
>>24975397Likewise for Bejamin; their arguments are a compelling indictment of the state of political freedoms under Fascist rule. You cannot seriously have contended with their writings and come out in support of Fascism; either you have misunderstood them, or Fascism itself.
>>24975405>their arguments are a compelling indictmentGo on. Make the case. I'm not a fascist by the way,and Mussolini's fascism is not the best representation of national ideology,but I'm curious where you're going with this.
>>24975405I don;'t believe in freedom.
>>24975396Then why hasn't it happened yet?
I really don't understand why someone would need to point to Adorno of all people and of all things to make a claim for freedom,but everyone who does never actually produces an argument. Comes off like there's no substance. It's just name dropping self fellatio.
>>24973271>I am a recovering fashCurious. What changed?
>>24975410Reread The Culture Industry and you have just one plane or dimension of Adoro's preliminary critique from the perspective of commodity production. Quote:> Kant said that there was a secret mechanism in the soul which prepared direct intuitions in such a way that they could be fitted into the system of pure reason. But today that secret has been deciphered. While the mechanism is to all appearances planned by those who serve up the data of experience, that is, by the culture industry, it is in fact forced upon the latter by the power of society, which remains irrational, however we may try to rationalise it; and this inescapable force is processed by commercial agencies so that they give an artificial impression of being in command. The comprehensive point this entails regarding Fascism is the arrangment of and integration with the state and civil society to the end simply of commodity production, or profit thereof. Workers are prepared as consumers beneath Fascism simply towards the end of production through repression, which chiefly being a denial of subjectivity and a policing through fear as a mode for organisation. If you wish to contemplate the implication of this, again from The Culture Industry:>In Germany the graveyard stillness of the dictatorship already hung over the gayest films of the democratic era.>>24975417Because you've never experienced it
I'll never support Marxism because all of it's proponents are annoying faggots.
>>24975405Lol. Did you just read the Frankfurt school wikipedia article or something? They aren't 'arguing' against Fascism or talking about 'political freedoms'. They are writing specifically about the socially deforming effects of mid 20th century capitalism and its foreclosing of the possibility of emancipation. Their work has very little positive or polemical content, it's a lamentation. I agree with them. And as Postone points out, a symmetric deformation takes place in planned economies, so there's really no conceivable way of getting around it. We are just going to get mindraped by the value form ad infinitum. Of course, this would be a lot more tolerable if I didn't have to deal with imported hordes of hostile third world foreigners who want to kill all white people
>>24975438>They aren't 'arguing' against Fascism or talking about 'political freedoms'>foreclosing of the possibility of emancipation.Quote:> Fascism, however, hopes to use the training the culture industry has given these recipients of gifts, in order to organise them into its own forced battalions.From The Culture Industry
>>24975438The value form is unique to bourgeois society and seceded by a socialist economy. Your own spineless hopelessness and cowardice isn't a substitution for a theoretical insight, but part of your own pampered first world lifestyle
>>24973451Imagine how far we would be as a society if Strasser and Strasserist ideologies had taken over all around the world
>>24975430I've never read Adorno and I'm never going to read him. My reading list is too colossal as it is.>While the mechanism is to all appearances planned by those who serve up the data of experience, that is, by the culture industry, it is in fact forced upon the latter by the power of society, which remains irrationalHe should have voted Nietzsche for this instead of Kant.>secret mechanism in the soulIts not a secret,the stoics had it pretty well lined out. Just work backwards from the hegemonikon. It's a little irritating that he ignores individualization in the process and jumps straight to blaming commercial agencies. He could likewise have tried to argue more generally from the perspective of material culture as it generates industrially,but that would be too applicable for the point and not enough teeth to bear against commercialism. But even there he is saying that commercialism is imitating authority,which no one here be they fascist or Marxist or nationalist not even liberal would agree with. The pervasiveness of commercial culture on the post modern psyche is nearly total and ubiquitous. We're basically living in Cyberpunk without the gadgets. I fully expect to see advertisements projected into the skyline any day now. >>In Germany the graveyard stillness of the dictatorship already hung over the gayest films of the democratic era.See? This is just confirmation bias,if you already agree with him of course you would speculate that this is the case. You can't even know it because we weren't there. Also there was a spirit of gaiety which is apparent in their popularity,but you'd have to ignore that for this statement not to sound completely unhinged, which it obviously is.
>>24975446>your own pampered first world lifestyleProblem? I'm not going to act against my own interests.
>>24975465>He should have quoted Nietzsche for this instead of Kant
>>24975465>individualizationQuote:>It is not the consciousness of men that determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being that determines their consciousness.A contribution to the critique...Quote:>The first premise of all human history is, of course, the existence of living human individuals. Thus the first fact to be established is the physical organisation of these individuals and their consequent relation to the rest of nature. Of course, we cannot here go either into the actual physical nature of man, or into the natural conditions in which man finds himself – geological, hydrographical, climatic and so on. The writing of history must always set out from these natural bases and their modification in the course of history through the action of men.>Men can be distinguished from animals by consciousness, by religion or anything else you like. They themselves begin to distinguish themselves from animals as soon as they begin to produce their means of subsistence, a step which is conditioned by their physical organisation. By producing their means of subsistence men are indirectly producing their actual material life.The German Ideology: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch01a.htm#a2This is the materialist method from which Adorno is writing, in which thought is historically situated within its contemporary class relations. I suggest you read either the Manifesto or The German Ideology 'Feurerbach' section if you wish to understand this
>>24975468Then you haven't understood Marx, nor Adorno, nor Benjamin
>>24975352Anon. The liberals in the Pentagon are the ones playing MKultra on dumbasses online, including yourself.The sincere Marxist is materialist. IE they should know that tranny-ism is deeply spiritualist. They'll wear $15 Che shirts and want to be the opposite sex, but they'll be liberals the in fact.The anarcho-communist is the true liberty minded American. They read and understood American history and understand why there are so many emo cutters and shut-ins who can't talk to girls, like you.
>>24975441'Fascism' as described by A&H is a political expression of the spiritual unfreedom engendered by consumer capitalism. Again, they are not arguing 'against' it or commenting on 'political freedom', rather observing that consumer society has made us all into little fascists and even in 'liberal democratic' societies embeds fascistic pathologies at all levels of social life>>24975446>value form is unique to bourgeois society and seceded by a socialist economyThere were dozens of planned economies for the better part of a century and literally all of them were organized according to the same basic concepts as our current economies>pampered first world lifestyleThe fact that you would say something like this proves you haven't actually read Adorno, his entire critical oeuvre is a commentary on 'first world' society
>>24975446>anon makes a fair point about hostile migrants>anon replying makes an unhinged comment about him being "pampered" and "first world"dude, get a life. very jewish mindset.
>>24975478>>It is not the consciousness of men that determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being that determines their consciousness.Exactly. He's ignoring the individualization process. That's why I posted that. That's why I'm talking about the stoics solving the situation of psyche to stimuli in the first place. In short,he's wrong to say that people are thoughtless sponges naturally. That effect of rapid internalization is the result of repeated brainwashing, which is the thing he's trying to get at but doesn't know how to,but even there it's only limited by the individuals culture and inherent disagreeability.>>Men can be distinguished from animals by consciousness, by religion or anything else you like. They themselves begin to distinguish themselves from animals as soon as they begin to produce their means of subsistence, a step which is conditioned by their physical organisation. By producing their means of subsistence men are indirectly producing their actual material life....And we're supposed to not apply this logic on other people why? He unwittingly.ade an argument for racism on accident.
>>24975482>The sincere Marxist is materialist. IE they should know that tranny-ism is deeply spiritualisthow can you prove reality exists outside one's perception? or that our "reality" or what we make of it is merely mediated by human's collective experience? or are you a biocentrist who believes that the human experience is secondary to the experience of the natural world?
>>24975486>rather observing that consumer society has made us all into little fascists and even in 'liberal democratic' societies embeds fascistic pathologies at all levels of social lifeWhich is an implicit critique, considering Adorno escaped Germany and Benjamin didn't. >There were dozens of planned economies for the better part of a century Which never had the potential to escape the value form and were locked in competition with the West in a race for commodity production>his entire critical oeuvre is a commentary on 'first world' societySeethe on
>>24975501NTA but I wonder if anyone criticized people like Edward Said.
>>24975504>Edward SaidA bourgeois academic?
>>24975506>A bourgeois academicThe typical marxist?
>>24975511>Typical Marxist>Post-colonial studies
>>24975496I'm not a materialist myself, So I don't know how to answer like a Marxist.I don't buy this whole simulation theory either. The French Annales school is materialist enough for me. Materials, flora, fauna, minerals etc. availability all impact conditions for humans. I wouldn't put any of these things secondary to humans, though only we have the ability to fashion them into increasingly complex inventions.
>>24975481>you haven't understood Jew A. Or Jew B. Or Jew C. Bad goy!
>>24975491>>>It is not the consciousness of men that determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being that determines their consciousness.>Exactly. He's ignoring the individualization process. That's why I posted that. That's why I'm talking about the stoics solving the situation of psyche to stimuli in the first place. In short,he's wrong to say that people are thoughtless sponges naturally. That effect of rapid internalization is the result of repeated brainwashing, which is the thing he's trying to get at but doesn't know how to,but even there it's only limited by the individuals culture and inherent disagreeability.And, by the way, this is why Frankfurters got a bad rap as liberal regime assets. He's basically ignoring the effect that liberal-capitalism has on the human psyche through brainwashing by handwaving the process as naturally occurring. So he starts off sounding as if he's criticizing commercialism, but then he handwaves the ill effects of it by supposing that individuals have no recourse or natural reaction capability, or internalizing logic. He just dismisses it all. At the same time that Adorno was writing, culturologists in America were determining the effect of capitalism on the human psyche. Advertisements became weapons to break down attention spans and remind observers that they have an opportunity to buy in. In the strictest sense- commercialization became evangelism for the hosts nation's product line. Breaking the train of thought periodically disallowed observers to engage fully with any medium outside of a movie theater. The isolation of individuals at home and even in theaters means that there's no social discourse taking place in the aftermath that might be expected in traditional theaters or in ancient forums outside of amphitheaters. Adorno ignores all of the problems caused by capito-liberalism while insisting he's diagnosing it. He's probably just an idiot, but he's very likely a planted idiot.
>>24975545Christ you're retarded
>>24975545Adorno is extremely polemical and rhetorical for a supposed 'philosopher'. You could say the same thing about many other 'philosophers' of course.
>>24975560Explanieren. I'm listening. >>24975563The problem is not that he is polemical, it's that he's *pretending* to be polemical while making excuses for capito-liberalism. He's adopting the language of rebellion while making every move and taking every step to support capito-liberalist ideology.
>>24975567For a fucking start:>capito-liberalismWhat the fuck are you trying to say
>>24975569Do you have anything substantive to say or is it just going to be 'gotcha!'s because you're enraged that he said something that didn't match up with what you heard from your prof/friends/what you've pieced together from the 40 pages of Adorno you've read?
And, by the way, Gramsci is even more of a Trojan horse. No wonder Marxist movements for the last half century have just been under-wings of the democrat (or equivalent) parties of the West. >>24975569Capitalism is the economic mode of liberalism, liberalism is cultural capitalism. When you're arguing against capitalism, you're only viewing the material side of the ideology. It's why liberalism is so good at circumventing Marxism. It parasitically sneaks itself under the skin of communist ideology through like-language. It's why fascists, nationalists, and theocrats look at liberalism and they think it's communism while at the same time Marxists, communists, and socialists look at capitalism and think they're fighting fascism. Both sides are punching at each other without realizing that there's an amorphous ideology in between. In fairness, Stalin and Lenin did warn against 'infantile ideology' and Mao did write "Combat Liberalism", but they did not go far enough in ideological depth to puncture at the thing. In short, capito-liberalism is the dictatorship of the merchant class. Whereas other ideologies are concerned with defending a certain group and are opposed by another group this is not true for liberalism. For nationalist movements, it's your nation or ethnicity against others- for Marxism it's proletarians against bourgeoisie- for theocratic movements it's your religion against philosophies that are against your religion. But in capito-liberalism, everyone is both the victim and the party to the crime. It seeks to destroy and consume everyone. Everyone is subject to its market-theories. Even voter bases can be imported into the political market just as foreign labor can be. That's what capito-liberalism is. It's a war on everyone, everywhere, under a system of that makes a mockery and a market out of anything you might value.
>>24975590Booty blasted first world fascist, seethe on>>24975595Just use the word bourgeois my dude
>>24975595Rings of the 'war of all against all.'
>>24975590It's a little frustrating, but many people develop in isolation only reading this author or that so when they namedrop an obscure author they expect the revelations of that author to be a revelation to everyone else as much as it is them. Of course, if you read any amount enough as we have and most people here have, you already see where authors are coming from without ever having to read them. The dialectic is established. But for someone left out of the dialectic and coming to it through an uncommonly read author, there's a sense that one needs to brace for shock because other people are already grappling with ideas that they might not have considered outside of the author they are citing. It's why Trotskyites are so irritating to literally everyone. Everybody already has the dialectic that Trotsky emerged out of and they know how the discourse evolves later, but to a Trotskyite reading a rare bit of literature from Trotsky himself, the dialectic feels fresh, so it's surprising when others start discussing ahead of what Trotsky did. There's probably a lot of ego that goes into it as well. Some imagine that because they've tackled a few esoteric excerpts that they have some secret knowledge, so the idea that other people are collectively well past that point might be terrifying and the realization that they had squandered some time- and even worse they lose some dignity by dignifying something that does not hold up when actually tested in conversation or debate. The trick is always patience and keeping an open mind. I'm learning about Adorno for the first time but I just don't find him compelling at all. >>24975600>Just use the word bourgeois my dudeBut if you do so then it becomes conflated with fascist. They're two entirely different and opposing things. Fascists will argue to your face, bourgeoisie might argue that their class interests are more important or accuse you of being a champagne socialist (AKA proletariat sympathizer), but a liberalist will try to trick you into thinking that they're on your side and appropriate your dialectic for their ends. >>24975601Certainly! And that's because although I've cast capito-liberalism as a merchant dominated thing, the natural ally of the merchant is the nihilist. Neither of them value anything other than personal gain. What we're seeing is actually the material and cultural supremacy of nihilism manifested politically and economically. You summed it up very nicely, I'm stealing that.
>>24975358>>24975367Coping gaylords who own zero (0) tools>>24975370I feel like you can go either way with it, probably. People have differing interpretations.>>24975338Probably true, but aren't we all?
>>24975429I had read the manifesto before, but a friend urged me to read it again and sent me some other articles on Marxist.org. I'm not sure exactly what changed, per se, but I don't have the energy to hate people anymore. I don't have the compulsion. Hard to explain it, really.
>>24973326Basically marx=joos, anarchism=anti-joos>By origin Marx is a Jew. One might say that he combines all of the positive qualities and all of the short comings of that capable race. A nervous man, some say to the point of cowardice, he is extremely ambitious and vain, quarrelsome, intolerant, and absolute, like Jehovah, the Lord God of his ancestors
>>24975830>Coping gaylords who own zero (0) tools
>>24975847This is only a slight against capitalists Jewery. Plenty of Jews in the movement. Good folks. Anti-zionists through and through.
>>24973451This. Reactionaries/fascists need to get over their anti-Marxist/commie bugbear phobia and realize capital is going to enslave everyone and reach for the stars. Carl Schmitt kneecaps bourgeoisie imperialism in his Concept of the Political by reasserting the primacy of the state over capital and it’s depoliticizations of the state, which is the corner stone of neoliberalism. Schmitt in doing so details a national socialism which serves as the threatening looming specter that keeps every Davos ghoul up at night. If you want a way out of this horrific paradigm without immediately jumping into the Marxist side of the theory pool start there with Schmitt. I often wonder how things would have played out if Hitler hadn’t purged the Strasserists, of whom Goebbels started out as and of which the “socialism” in German national socialism was rooted within.
>>24973271You should be a good citizen and read John Stuart Mill.
>>24973271Good book, gets into the history of the Paris Commune and the french leftist movement around it. One of the best breakdowns of Blanquism I've seen.
>>24975381Bumping this thread with an irrelevant "true."Even 19th-20th century fascists were skeptical of capitalism and saw it merely as a pragmatic tool for the enrichment of the proletariat, prescient of Dengist reforms. That's not to say they were communist or Marxist strictly speaking, but they very obviously assimilated Marxist critique of capital as you said.
>>24977248There are multiple modes of anti-capitalism. Marxists seem to think they're unique in that respect.
>>24976296>of whom Goebbels started out as and of which the “socialism” in German national socialism was rooted within.Reading Goebbels' diaries on his fascination with Strasser, and Strasserism in general, and his initial disdain for Hitler -- extremely interesting from a historical perspective.
>>24977285>Fascists>Anti-capitalistLmao
>>24977286The issue is people think Strasserism is the socialism of nazi germany when it was the Orthodox Fascism of Nazi Germany compared to Hitlerite Agartha Volkisch slop
>>24977414Mussolini and Fascism developed out of Syndicalism, Blanquism, and the Jacobin revolutionary tradition retard. The Italian Social Republic was more radical than the commune
>>24977421You don't get to call him retard when you have a simpleton's grasp of the topic. The banksters funded both state-socialism and then had them fight it out. If the Muss had any guts he would have sided with Stalin to force a peace, but I guess he needed the money.Syndicalism is the people seizing control of their workplaces and encouraging regional communes to do the same. Muss quit that for what he called corporatism. This is called "crony capitalism" by some of the free market fags nowadays, but that IS what capitalism does. So again, fascism, like the Bolsheviks and like the SocDems of modern EU, are all practicing capitalism. State-capitalism. Easily controlled by banks, always and forever.
>>24977414(((Capitalists))) sided with the Soviet Union over Nazi Germany
>>24977452Mussolini quit for corporatism but then circled back around it, even the most radical syndies like Sorel also acknowledged there would still be a petite-bourgeois. Corporatism under Mussolini still allowed for Worker autonomy and enfranchisement, wasn't exactly post-capitalist by any means but that's why you have the ISR to compare it too where Bombacci once said in 45 "Stalin won't achieve socialism, Mussolini will" which was retarded for it's own reasons but there was a radical turn inside of Fascism returning to OG ideas cooked up by Revolutionary Syndicalist Alceste De Ambris during the Fiume occupation
>>24977462Nope. Both forms of state centralized capitalism got funding from the banks. From another thread:https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2mnzldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sah_Xni-gtgThe Sutton bookhttps://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_Hitler-3.pdfhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Plan
>>24977466>the most radical syndies likeThere's nothing radical about state-socialism, anon. It's just Marxist-Leninism with oregano. You're essentially making a case for contemporary China. It's all been trash. You don't know why?Simply put, money is the root of all evils. Capitalism will always corrupt. Capitalism demanded a war and those buffoons delivered.
>I'm going from one direction to the otherYikes.
>>24977484What does this mean?
>>24977494It means you should remain completely static. Your views should at once freeze, and they should remain as such until you die. To move in any direction is to be wrong. Perhaps the attribute of directionality is wrong, but you cannot be "center." To be or become "centrist" implies a direction to or from a previous state or with respect to the directionality of the general political sentiments of your society. No, you should be completely directonless, with no clear views except vague ideas about class antagonisms, racism, and perhaps an elitist sentiment like>Heh, I'm not one of those woke freaks but yea we need another fifty billion immigrants because... increasing diversity in the proletariat class dissolves traditional ethnic and cultural hegemonies that lead to out- and in-group inter-class antagonisms used primarily for the perpetuatiom of petit bourgeois...In other words, remain a pseudointellectual fucknut.
>>24977524I don't like the "directional" in political discourse. Used to think it was handy, but no, it is a hindrance to understanding.No, going from here to there shows maturity, humility, and growth. I have developed a lot over my life and it's good to do so. You can't be seriously advocating remaining a stupid fucknut
only thing you are is a non-recovering spastic is what you areyou are living in the 1920s
>>24977574I have autism. Please be nice.
>>24977414This sort of extremely low IQ take is worn out.
>>24977607>Fascism is capitalist>Laugh at the fools who think it isn't>"This is worn out"Truth can never ware out.
>>24977643>wareMy remark on your IQ was well-founded, it appears.
