Why is poetry less popular now than it's ever been? And why are people so bad at pronouncing poetry? I've seen poetry professors read poetry as if it was prose and without a hint of self-awareness.
>>24974465too confusing, most of the time I don't even get the point of what are poets are talking about trying to land the correct amount of syllables and whatever arbitrary rules they set up for themselves. Now imagine a child who plays roblox all day until the battery of his cellphone dies trying to understand complex things written in some archaic language. Most poets just like to sniff their own farts and do classic literature references/latin words every two secondst. 40 yo ADHD faggot
>>24974465>I've seen poetry professors read poetry as if it was prose Anon is one of those kids who would pause at every line break like it was a period when you had to read poetry aloud in class.
>>24974689>like it was a periodare you saying that a period pause is different than a comma pause?
>>24974465It's not, it's just usually set to music and recorded rather than published in print, now that technology allows it. Remember, the Iliad was originally performed to accompaniment on a lyre.
>>24974465Cause we have other forms of entertainment now. In the 1800s mass entertainment only included plays or literature. Now we also have movies, television, video games, recorded music, streamers, etc.
>>24974689Lol, overemphasising the end of the line, even with rhymes, is a common fault in poor verse readers. But you HAVE to emphasise the rhythm, that is the whole essence of poetry, and there is a great variety allowed in how you handle it, whether chanting it loudly or using more subtle inflections, whether elongating the stressed syllables only or giving a more full-bodied sound to all of the syllables. Yeats represents the extreme end of verse reading in its distance from ordinary speech, which you may not like, but what he says about the importance of rhythm holds true for every style of reading poetry:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2FT4_UUa4I
Poetry readings are for fags. The CAT in the HAT went and SAT on the MAT.Do you fucking hear yourself? Lol nice rhythm.
>>24976572You must have quite a hard time with French poetry
>>24976572Naturalistic delivery is perfectly fine, it greatly improved Shakespeare acting. You don't actually have to try to say poetry like poetry for the rhythm to be there, it should come naturally. And id you leave it subtle it actually can have a stronger impact, that's why Shakespeare was so fond of enjambment in his later works, it made the lines sound more natural
>>24976577Do you think French poetry is pronounced like prose?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu9BcsyBMgMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBspkWIdcAI (Bernhardt knew Victor Hugo well enough, she had sex with him)
>>24976572yeats is a faggot
>>24976572You forgot your tripcode, Frater Asemlen. Kill yourself.
>>24974465Modernism.
>>24976586I think French poetry doesn't use stress in its architecture
>>24976585Naturalistic delivery is not intrinsically opposed to traditional verse reading, especially in dramatic blank verse. Look at Edwin Booth, a 19th century actor who had quite a naturalistic approach to the verse. Or a more modern actor, like Paul Scofield. No matter what era or style a Shakespearian actor belongs to, no matter how natural or unnatural their approach, the music of the verse is paramount. Just as an unnatural delivery is flawed, so also a completely un-musical delivery is flawed. Modern actors, who pronounce Shakespeare like prose and treat metre only as a guide to stress placement, are atrociously painful to watch and listen to. You cannot perform Shakespeare if you have not caught the expressive possibilities of the verse. Shakespeare's use of enjambment is not done to make the lines sound more natural, but to explore further rhythmic possibilities of verse. Which John Milton followed Shakespeare in, but you would not assume Milton was trying to write in a 'naturalistic' style, would you? And what exactly is 'unnatural' anyway? I would consider Tennyson's recordings often quite natural, but the innate rhythm of some of his poems is already so self-evident, so inescapably sing-song, that they can't possibly be pronounced with the sound of ordinary speech. There is Keats' description of Kean's acting, and evidently his verse delivery was immensely beautiful, more beautiful than anything a modern individual is capable of, although it would probably not suit your idea of naturalism. The excitement and energy of his approach could not be 'improved' upon, because it was already a perfect thing belonging to a great tradition of acting and verse-reading, which is unfortunately now dead. 'Naturalism' has just become an excuse to give performances and verse-reading without effort or skill in the 21st century.>>24976605Don't associate me with that retard.
>>24976638If music is paramount then the words should be set to music, as verse often is.Milton was writing an epic poem but his animosity toward rhyme in poetry showed that he was passionately against the prevailing attitudes of his time and found too musical of a delivery to be lacking in gravity, use as he was to Latin poetry; he probably intended it to be delivered sounding something like how Lawrence Oliver's reading of the Bible
>>24976644Did anyone alive at that time actually pronounce Latin with audible vowel lengths, i.e. the thing that Roman poetic meter hinges on?
>>24974465It's gay and the world has no more bandwidth for gay shit
>>24976647I don't think so, most probably used Church Latin.
>>24974465>Why is poetry less popular now than it's ever been?Literacy is in shambles, because of social media. There's nothing in society that immediately rewards being well-read in classic literature or poetry. Social media offers instant rewards for not being well-read. This causes no incentives for putting in the effort to parse the meaning or understanding of poetry.>And why are people so bad at pronouncing poetry?Because people don't have practice reading text outloud. Largely from what I said above, but also people doing whatever they can to avoid doing it in the classroom too.
>>24976644Milton was opposed to rhyme for the TYPE of music it offered, not because he didn't want poetry to sound musical. Milton was perhaps the most musical poet in the English language, few have taken more interest in music and the musical setting of verse, and he couldn't have thought Paradise Lost was unfit for musical setting since he explicitly gave Dryden permission to operatically adapt it. And we have a pretty good idea of how poetry was spoken for hundreds of years before the 20th century, and it sounded nothing like Laurence Olivier, who, mind you, despite his general artificiality, did read Stanislavski and was aiming at a more 'modern' approach to acting and verse reading. And I don't know why you would select Olivier's reading of the Bible, prose, when you can hear him read poetry with, unsurprisingly, more emphasis on rhythm. If we look at poetry that was originally set to music, whether Homeric or Occitan, it remains intensely musical on its own. And all poetry aims at that quality, whether set to music or not, especially that of the greatest poets. Yes, there is poetry written with a more prosaic sound, but by virtue of the fact that it's using metre and is not prose, clearly the intention is at least to be musical to some degree. If you look at any traditional description of the intended effect of metre, or 'numbers', it is to have a musical effect.>>24976647Considering that so many English poets since the Renaissance had been obsessed with emulating long and shorts in English verse, I think it's most likely they did.
>>24976680Milton objected to rhyme because it isn't in Latin epic.
>>24976692And your point is???
>>24976603Pick your poison. I don't know a traditional poet that didn't think rhythm was paramount in the speaking of verse.
>>24976623It doesn't usually, but it's still something paid attention to, especially for rhyme.
What other result did you expect when forcing kids to learn poems by heart?
>>24976765But that's been a feature of most education systems, still is in many places.
>>24974465Honest answer, it feels heavily moderated, probably a symptom of the time. Its just sickly and fake feeling. Here is an example.O, Wert Thou in the Cauld BlastO, wert thou in the cauld blastOn yonder lea, on yonder lea,My plaidie to the angry airt,I’d shelter thee, I’d shelter thee.Or did Misfortune’s bitter stormsAround thee blaw, around thee blaw,Thy bield should be my bosom,To share it a’, to share it a’Or were I in the wildest waste,Saw black and bare, sae black and bare,The desert were a Paradise,If thou wert there, if thou wert there.Or were I monarch o the globe,Wi thee to reign, wi thee to reign,The brightest jewel in my crownWad be my queen, wad be my queen.
>>24974465>Why is poetry less popular now than it's ever been?Because it's never been easier to add fitting music to it to create a song instead. Songwriting > poetry
>>24976804Music was always used for great poetry, Schubert composed over 600 pieces specifically for poems. But the music was far better then and so was the poetry.
>>24974465Post a poem of heroic virtues. No whining, no yearning, pure He-Man shit.
