I've never personally found any argument against suicide that really convinces me. The more philosophy I read, the more many common objections seem based on instinct or emotion rather than careful reasoning. When people call suicide "murder" or "unnatural" they often ignore that a right to life should also include the right to give it up, and that nature itself isn't a moral authority. If it were, we wouldn't use medicine to prevent or delay natural deaths. The claim that suicide is selfish also feels very one-sided. It can just as easily be seen as selfish to expect someone to keep living with unbearable mental or physical suffering simply so others don't have to feel grief. None of us chose to be born, and being stuck in a life that has become intolerable is a tragedy, not a moral failure. I think society has a strong optimism bias that makes people assume life is better than it really is for everyone. When someone experiences life mainly as a heavy burden, ending their life can be a rational way to take back control over something they never chose.
You do not belong to yourself but to god so killing yourself would be destruction of god's property
>>24976419What's the point of suicide if we're going to die anyway
>>24976419The superior book coming through
>>24976441What if you don't care and kill yourself anyway?
>>24976519Why not press the skip button on a tedious cutscene so you can jump straight to the ending?
>>24976419>Cause a fatality>SAFELY
You'll make your Mom sad.
>>24976529Nigger mentality. Its not yours so don't take it
>>24976419I agree with you generally. I suspect the most powerful counterarguments will be those which question the concept of rights as a starting foundation and those which subordinate individual agency to societal benefit.
>>24976553some moms wouldn't give a shit, not everyone loves their kids
>>24976529Then by your own free will you die in a state of mortal sin and face eternal damnation. "Thou shalt not kill" is one of the commandments. Violating a commandment results in loss of salvation. The Church is clear and succinct on this:>It also forbids suicide. No man possesses such power over his own life as to be at liberty to put himself to death. Hence we find that the Commandment does not say: Thou shalt not kill another, but simply: Thou shalt not kill.On the Fifth Commandment, Catechism of the Council of Trent, A.D 1566
>>24976525Is this actually a good book? I was put off by all the tables when I flicked through it once.
>>24976567I was reading picrel and I stumbled upon a passage where the author describes Cato's suicide, and I was wondering how Christian philosophers removed the pro-suicide doctrines of Stoicism when they became incorporated into Christian thought.
>>24976569I dunno, I've had it for a long time but it might be awhile before I approach it.
>>24976567Infinite punishment for a finite act is not an act of a benevolent or just God
>>24976582Its a metaphor, dipass
>>24976419how do you have a "safe" death?
>>24976613Who are you quoting?
>>24976613Read this
>>24976582>Infinite punishment for a finite actFirst of all, a sin against God is not a finite act. It's an infinite act, because it is committed against him who is infinite. The punishment is proportionate to this infinite offense. Secondly, God is merciful, and mortal sins can be absolved if repented. Suicide cannot be repented because you must still be alive to repent.>benevolent or just GodDamnation is eternal separation from God. As it stands, separation from God is man's default state, due to original sin from man's transgression in Eden. God, being just, recognized that Satan's deception played a role, and God, being loving, benevolent and all merciful, incarnated here on Earth for the express purpose of righting this wrong by meriting all men the gift of salvation, or reunification with God. This gift was brought about by his sacrifice on the cross, which he did for us, to provide a mechanism by which we can be saved from damnation and reunite with him. Each soul must explicitly choose this, as souls have free will. It is metaphysically impossible for a soul stained with mortal sin to reunite with God, as God is pure good. Damnation is just because a soul freely chooses it.
>>24976672I wasn't arguing theologically, I was arguing ethically. Your God is not an ethical God.
>>24976419If you're able to overwill your self-preservation, why not overwill your suffering? These are equal choices all things considered.
>>24976419Is there any book that argues in favour of suicide?I don't know anyone who killed themselves who didn't do it for absolutely retarded reasons.
>>24976419There's a lot of possible issues with suicide, but I feel that those can be alleviated in a rational society. 1. Do you have children? Then no, after selfishly bringing new life in the world you don't get to bail on them. 2. Is it an actual rational decision or is it an emotional impulse? A lot of people who kill themselves do so after a breakup or someone close to them dying or something similar, which is just a short-term malfunction of the mind. I feel that in a "society where suicide is approved" you should have to make a 1 year appointment for killing yourself. If after 1 year you still feel the same, then yes carry on with it.3. Is the suicide induced by an unwarranted feeling of entitlement towards material wealth? Basically, if the person about to kill themselves were to be given 1 million dollars, would they still go through the suicide? If yes, then carry on. If no, then you should be killed anyway because you're a bitch and don't deserve to live.Another thing to mention is that a lot of people who "attempt suicide" by pills or jumping or whatnot and they fail and survive, usually don't actually attempt a second suicide, so that's something to keep in mind. (Though imagine it's because they fit in the second criteria of emotional impulse.)So tl;dr: Are you childfree or at least your kids are all grown up? Are you willing to wait 1 year for your suicide? Would you still do it if you had a million dollars? Would you still do it a second time if you failed the first? Then yes, I see no arguments to be made against your decision to do it. Just as not everyone is fit to reproduce, not everyone is fit to live either.
Any conception of reason necessarily negates suicide. Only the living have purpose.Any values whatsoever demands a life to have them. So unless death leads to a better life then suicide is self defeating.
>>24976419How many times must I explain thisDon't commit suicide, go out in a kamikaze strike against politicians, CEOs, critics, insurance bankers, corporate lawyers, lobbyists etcThe argument against suicide is that by only killing yourself then you're wasting a life that could be used to kill actual parasites instead
