>The dispensers of mass information have once again discovered science fiction. They do it every seven or eight years. The last time was with 2001. The only trouble is, they've discovered 1939 science fiction. Mindless shoot-'em-up and hardware. Paeans of praise to the grommet and spanner. And that means more of the same, just the way it happened in the wake of 2001. It means that thought-provoking sf, the kind written by Gene Wolfe and Kate Wilhelm and James Tiptree, Jr. and Michael Moorcock, has no value. It means that an entire genre of fiction for our time, material that informs and educates and entertains, will be bypassed in favor of more cops&robbers in outer space, more cowboys&indians on Tatooine.>Goodbye, science fiction, hello sci-fi. That's pronounced skiffy.
>>24981045What wasn't this snarky misanthrope right about?
>>24981057He said Doctor Who was the greatest TV show of all time
>>24981717Could be, could be.
I thought that was Martie McFly lol
it's so unseemly when these provincial, marginal cultures express their resentment. simultaneously asserting unwarranted superiority and crying about being oppressed, neglected, ignored. science fiction fandom used to be called a "ghetto" back then and it's very appropriate because they're spiritual niggers
What was his opinion of HP Lovecraft?
>why does the public prefer a white man's mythic vision of heroism to my jewish pervert scribblings? it's so unfair
>>24981782>white>man
>>24981788yes, he's seething about the success of star wars, which was made by a white man.
>>24981792Lucas is Jewish...
>>24981900no.>Lucas was born and raised in Modesto, California,[6] the son of Dorothy Ellinore Lucas (née Bomberger) and George Walton Lucas Sr., and is of German, Swiss German, English, Scottish, and distant Dutch and French descent.[7]
>>24981909>is of ANYTHING BUT JEWISH! HE'S NOT A FILTHY JEW BUT A PROUD ARYAN SUPERMAN!Sure...
>>24981920i really don't know what you're freaking out about. george lucas is white, not jewish.
>>24981927>he's not Jewish but Jewish propertyAnd how is that any better, my anti-Semitic friend?
>>24981782>White Sun of the Desert meets the Hidden Fortress >the white man's vision
>>24981931well for starters it allowed him to create a white-spirited myth of heroism that touched the hearts of millions instead of being an envious little seething rat like harlan ellison. oh and it also allowed him to gain complete financial independence from the jewish hollywood system and make films on his own terms, meaning he's not their property at all.
>>24981937>it also allowed him to gain complete financial independence from the Jewish Hollywood system and make films on his own termsOh, anon...>>24981934This. Lucas has never had an original idea in his life.
>>24981934>actually this cathedral is not a white achievement because if you squint hard enough it kind of looks like the totem my uncle m'bongo made out of his own dried shit
>>24981743Much like IRL ghettos, we resent outsiders who come in for poverty tourism and then act like they grew up there.
>>24981968>Oh, anon...oh, anon, what? the prequels were independent films funded entirely by lucas with his own money, and he had full creative control over every aspect of production.>Lucas has never had an original idea in his life.it never counts, right? there's always something that you can use to disqualify. every time somebody else succeeds, your little black heart starts twisting until you've found some way to deny the achievement and then it finds peace again, until the next time. the purest spirit of jewish envy
>>24981996Calling Star Wars a cathedral is like calling the Beatles symphonic.
>>24982003but that's the opposite of what he's saying. he doesn't want to be left alone, he's seething bitterly about being "bypassed" by big-time hollywood. that's the resentment. he dreams of being a tourist attraction. there's no pride, he wants to sell out, but nobody's buying.
>>24982006>it never counts, right? there's always something that you can use to disqualify. every time somebody else succeeds, your little black heart starts twisting until you've found some way to deny the achievement and then it finds peace again, until the next time. the purest spirit of Jewish envyI think I broke this anon. Oh well.
>>24981045love that ellison still makes chuds seethe from beyond the grave
>>24982018if there's no achievement there, why are you trying to undermine and appropriate it? the seething of pagans only proves the value of the cathedral.
>>24982025>muh religionThis is you.
>>24982025Star Wars isn't pagan in spirituality?
>>24982025what a shrill and connivant argument "they only complain because there is monolith""and what of those without monolith""all is monolith and all complain""to what end""to my end's he replied"kek wtf are you talking about i dont complain about dogshit on the street because its a secret desire of mine to emulate it
Star Wars is a dead relic of the ‘70s without any remaining cultural cache (much like disco); whereas Harlan Ellison’s work, such as I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream, has maintained cultural relevancy with popular thematic semi-adaptations like The Amazing Digital Circus.
>>24982037You sound like the sort of fag who calls the Gulf of America the Gulf of Mexico
>>24982040it still has weight but its adaptations have deeply hurt it even with many many people watching the films almost out of obligation at this point universaly people are less impressed year on year the highs fadeing faster and the lows being brought to light more oftenit is still a heavy weight but its well past its prime and it has serverly hurt disney as an ip in general
>>24982022you definitely made me feel like i need to wash my hands.
>>24982045what an exceptionally heterosexual post i bet you drink bud light and tell your wife those bodybuilding magazines you keep in the bathroom are "just a joke" like when you kissed Thomas at the Christmas party
>>24982033you're mixing up reality with metaphor here, but incidentally no, star wars in the complete six-film form is definitely christian in spirit
>>24982071Christianity is a Jewish mythology tho
>>24982077Stop posting 80 year old man penis
>>24982104Why is the left obsessed with Trump's penis
>>24982083nice try but nope. jews reject christ, christians reject jewishness.
>>24982037i was responding to an attempt to appropriate star wars from its white creator by insisting it's a ripoff of some japanese thing or whatever. if it was dogshit, why would anyone try to steal it? do you pick up dogshit in the street and pretend it's yours?
>>24982077How does Ben Garrison keep getting away with it?
>>24982129>>24982129your confuseing physicaly stealing and metaphoricaly stealing for example your apropreation of dogshit metaphors is rather alarming you would litterly steal a dogshit metaphor(namely from me)now bow down and kiss my toes twinkerbell
>>24981782It's funny how Lucas' Star Wars and IHNMaIMs share the same thesis on heroism but the latter is the better execution of it, despite Ellison being jewish.
>>24981045Very Gene Siskel take. Very pissant too.Why no talk of Kate Wilhelm or James Tiptree, Jr. around here, /lit/? Why no love for Moorcock?
>>24981045Harlan was a good SCI-FI writer despite his obvious handicap
>>24982884What was his handicap?
>>24982922his aggressive jewishness
>>24982873Because this is /lit/ and we hate genre fiction here o algo
>>24981045wait, you constantly told people you write fantasy, not sf
>>24983060He called his writing "speculative fiction."
>>24981717I didn't think much of Sandman as a comic either and he praised that good deal.
>>24983710What did Ellison think of Alan Moore's From Hell I wonder?
>>24983710Sandman is generally regarded as among the best American comics has to offer, but you also have to take into account Harlan was friends with Gaiman.>>24983724I don’t know if he ever said anything about From Hell, but he did praise Watchmen and argued it was "the closest a comic book had ever gotten to being literature". Also,>MOORE: As for “Who watches the Watchmen?” we didn’t know were the quote came from until I had a phone call from Harlan Ellison, who phoned up just to tell me because he’d seen us expressing our ignorance in Amazing Heroes, and wanted to put us out of our misery. Apparently the original quote is “Quis custodiet custodies?” which means “who guards the guardians,” “who watches the watchmen,” and it was said originally by the satirist Juvenal, and it was the quote that got him slung out of Rome and placed in exile.
>>24981782Is Gene Wolfe not Christian?
>>24981045Ellison is a faggot and I damn him to the lowest pits of hell 4 ruining that interview with Wolfe and Asimov with his faggotry.
>>24983985He is completely right here.
>>24984002I loved it when Elloso crashed out when Wolfe called him out for being a safe edgy slop peddler 4 normie midwits
>>24981934>Hidden Fortressi have never understood how this was in anyway similar to star wars
>>24981996>actually this cathedral is not a white achievementFrom the same architect married to a nigress and who donates large sums of money to BLM?
>prequelfags on MY /lit/? Its more likely than you think Grim?
>>24984037Very much so.
>>24983866do you not understand how this type of guy operates? none of this is about gene wolfe. ellison wants to say "i deserve the success of george lucas," but he has enough self-awareness to know that would make him look bad, so he uses random other writers as proxies, which is acceptable to him because the priority is to try and drag lucas down by any means necessary. that's how envy works.in an alternate universe there is a quote like that where he seethes about the "new sun" cinematic universe and how hollywood has gone gaga for that hack wolfe instead of promoting true geniuses like x and y and z. he'll never say it's about him but it's always about him.
>>24984105So all of this ranting is just your personal headcanon?
>>24984118>ummm source? source? you got a source for that, buddy?
>>24984105In an alternate universe where there is a "new sun" cinematic universe Ellison was probably executed for being a faggot.
>>24981045Truth nuke.
>>24983852>Sandman is generally regarded as among the best American comics has to offer,And I disagree with that notion. It's a comic for people who don't like comics and want to feel superior to cape shit. > but you also have to take into account Harlan was friends with Gaiman.Fair enough
>>24982873Moorcock shit talked tolkien is why
