Based or Cringe?
>>24983093It's syncretic slop.
>All literature written by the founders>Great military history >not world denying >beyond the regular jeet caste, ethnicslopIt's cool, interesting, especially considering how young it is
>>24983109so aesthetics?poojeet adjacent aesthetics...
>>24983121Not too bad. Being monotheistic makes it much better. pic related poojeet aesthetics haven't been updated in 1500 years but could be much better if the chandala were swept away
>>24983136my problem is I think their gods are small and their metaphysics is weak: the end result is the poojet we have come to know well globally.I don't see transcendence in these people; they bring a new ontological definition to the term "shit-tier".the sikhs I have met in this life have been of better stock, but are still lacking in substance. their religion is aesthetic and metapolitical; a tool to pragmatically bridge the cultural & political divide between indian hindus and indian muslims. this seems religiously glib to me and spiritually inauthentic.I can see why people eat this shit up because of esoteria though and its exotic nature; but there are more authentic faiths out there that actually allow one to achieve realistic sainthood/theosis with real miracles and real divine knowledge and not nominalistic/philosophical endeavors like this or buddhism.I just feel pathos for people that worship lesser deities/daimons...
>>24983188>I just feel pathos for people that worship lesser deities/daimons...I include Islam in this as well.Islam is another syncretic slop religion formed out of political pragmatism much like Sikhism did later.Allah isn't the Trinitarian God / the Abrahamic God of the Jews: Allah is a facsimile monotheistic "god" lacking the full attributes of God.For example, Allah isn't omnipresent because he doesn't exist around toilets due to them being arbitrarily "unclean"; so Allah is a lesser god than an Omnipresent God that can watch you shit and piss (and also shat and pissed as an incarnate God-man/Jesus Christ).
>>24983093all religions are cringe
>>24983093Least cringe Indians. That doesn't make them based.
>>24983200did you make this place or yourself?
>>24983093waheguru, waheguru, waheguru
When I was homeless I would go to the gurudwara and eat healthy tasty food and sit in the warm prayer room listening to them play their strange instruments. Its a based for me
>>24983093My only idea was that they were a very heroic religion, but I'm ignorant so I'm not gonna talk desu. Ik Onkar.Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru
>>24983093Have you seen what they put their boys through? They grow their hair and make em put it up in a little topknot with a doily. The teen years headgear isn't much better.
>>24983188>>24983199>my problem is I think their gods are small and their metaphysics is weakYou're wrong here. Sikhism is not polytheistic in the way you’re implying. For all the problems, Sikhism has the best definition of God. It feels alien, something truly well beyond what we can perceive rather than skydaddy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Sikhism>a tool to pragmatically bridge the cultural & political divide between indian hindus and indian muslimsReducing Sikhism to “a pragmatic bridge between Hindus and Muslims” is like reducing Christianity to “a Roman social technology”>their religion is aesthetic and metapoliticalSo does basically every major faith.It is pretty explicit about being political. The Guru's them wore two swords, one for spiritual power and the other for temporal.After the domination of south asia by nomadic and then islamic warlords for a thousand years, it was needed for them to assert their political will. Virtuous people need to achieve political power to create a kingdom of heaven on earth
>>24983242I'm not moved by your apologetics.You've defined a Sam Harris arbitrary, temporal, and convenient religion rather than a Means-to-the-Truth.This might work for you here & now, but it won't work in all times & all places & in all realities & all conditions.It's not Universal.It's slop.
>>24983254You have no idea or knowledge about religion mate
>>24983300Sure...What you mean to say is I don't have your religious phenomenology.
>>24983093If you want actually good discussions on Sikhism head to Substack. Trying to discuss anything remotely relating to India on this site is a waste of time.Some good Substacks:Khalsa Chronicle (for Sikh philosophy and history)Khem Singh (for Sikh history)Asa Singh (for Sikh apologetics)Bunga Azaadi (for Sikh politics)Ramblings of a Sikh (British Sikh history, podcast is more of a focus than the Substack)A good English language resource is the Sikh Research Institute (SikhRI), they have lots of good articles on Sikh theology and explanations of Sikh scripture. Mangalacharan and the whole Jvala Singh sphere is also really good for translations of Sikh philosophical texts.
>>24983320To add:If you want something /lit/ (as in a novel) check out Bhai Vir Singh’s novel Sundri. Professor Puran Singh is another great British Raj era Sikh writer, and a very interesting one.
>>24983320For me Mahavira Singh from Khalsa Chronicle is the GOAT
>>24983093My only real issue with it is the non-shaving of hair. I couldn't bear falling in love with the woman of my dreams and then her growing a moustache or a huge pubic bush and then she's not allowed to shave them off.
>>24983396Women are generally exempt, it's not mandatory to be baptized and keep hair
>>24983093Hindu-Muslim jeet slop. The only way to make that more cringe would be to add Christianity into it.
