Through the years literature and humanities have only brought me poverty and bleakness. If I only had a liking to maths, I would be better off in life. Can you force yourself to like maths? Anyone else in this predicament? I don’t think I’ve ever more than a handful of times used directly, referenced or discussed what I learned reading on a social setting to outweigh the negatives. I feellike all of this isn’t really worth it in the end.
>>24984092Should’ve lawmaxxed with your humanities degree. It’s never too late. There were several people over 40 in my law school class.
.Let’s say you amass a broad and an in depth reading of different literary subjects, then you apply this knowledge to a given creative work of art, but who’s going to be able to discern it’s true worth when most people haven’t even heard of orwell. Or that most people are only intelectually fit to discuss only the latest nolan movie. I feel the destiny for those to choose the pursuit of knowledge in literature and humanities is that of true alienation and being perpetually misunderstood to being relegated to some confines of society. Do you really want this for your life anon?
>>24984092I studied engineering thinking it was the practical choice but only ended up shuffling orders, getting back problems at 26 due to working at a desk, and seeing my hair start to fall out at 29 until I quit to become a security guard and read all the time at which point I had no more stress over the fear of getting blamed for missing fine print which can lead to $2mil in liquidated damages or some shit. Do not conflate underselling your passions in favor of STEM with comfort.
>>24984122Yeah but now you're bald, half crippled, AND poor as FUCK.
>>24984092>Can you force yourself to like maths?Yes. Usually doing the sorts of math your brain can stomach until you can start challenging yourself with puzzles that are within your reach but keep you at it for some days. Once you're at this stage you like math even though you are at a very beginner level not grasping that there is math out there you couldn't grasp even if you spend your remaining life time on it
>>24984092tru
If it's any consolation, I went into software and that hasn't exactly been doing great for me recently.
>>24984100Only problem with that is you just become a slave to the work, all for status and a bit of money. Also the law isn’t that adequate a lot of times, though useful. It lacks real meaning and reasoning so often.
>>24984092Doing a Humanities education is supposed to enable you to understand the world better in such a way that it lifts most of the major confusions and ignorancies most other people must suffer with throughout their lives.From there, it's up to you to exploit your meta-knowledge for personal gain.
>>24984092i got a cs degree, applied to dozens of places, and could never even get an interview, so don't worry about it too much.
>>24984139Luckily I caught the hair issue early and could avert that one. My living standard hasn‘t changed since the consumer middle class mostly spends their disposable wealth on dumb shit like eating out and watching professional sports. I‘ll give you half-crippled for sure though. Going /fit/izen to try and turn back that clock has been a real mixed bag and it‘s depressing how hard my deadlifts cap between 2 and 3 plates.
All people interested in any area of philosophy would benefit from some introductory higher math. A lot of sophistry relies on vagueness that is hard to spot without an understanding of mathematical proofs and a familiarity with mathematical thinkingI would recommend, in order:>Multivariable Calculus (foundational for probability theory, and explains the necessity of real analysis)>Probability Theory and basic theory-based statistics (helps with basic abstract thinking and a very valuable area of knowledge in its own right)>Basic group theory / abstract algebra (greatly helps to develop abstract thinking)>Basic real analysis (helps to see common logical pitfalls, faulty proofs, and to develop rigorous logical thinking)
I have a MsC in EE. I can get jobs easily but not enough money to buy a house or a comfy farm.
>>24984111>Leo Strauss
>>24984171The work isn’t that bad if you fuck off to a rural area: there’s a drought of lawyers there, the money’s good, and you work at your pace with no end to the work. How do you think I’m shitposting right now? With that, a job’s a job. Its meaning is to support your other desires and other pursuits.
>>24984122>getting back problems at 26 due to working at a deskholy skill issue
>>24984122>Do not conflate underselling your passions in favor of STEM with comfort.that's certainly true, but if op was already poor before going then it's wise to try and see if you can have a job you're interested in that also pays well. for instance, if one likes researching and has a special interest in the human body and/or mind, then a medical scientist job would be ideal.>>24984257>t. sat at his computer desk since before becoming a teenageri know that feel
>>24984257Are you trying to argue that being sedentary is healthy and one should get good at it?
>>24984092>If I only had a liking to mathsPostdocs for pure math research pay fuck all and any worthwhile tenure-track faculty positions are one in a million. Plus on the applied side, becoming a quant at some major hedge fund or trading firm is fiercely competitive.
the stem bubble is already popping, the only people who do well in the next market cycle are the genuinely intelligent, likable, charismatic, and well-connected. if you didn't already position yourself its ogre. people don't leave the roles you want, and the roles you dont want are being automated or done without.
>>24984092i sold out to have a chance at a decent life. i got double vaxxed 3 months ago and am now just entering my 2nd year of nursing at 24 after switching majors multiple times. i went from theology to economics, took a one year break then finally nursing.
2 + 2 = 4
>>24984294>PhD in math>any job you want>300k starting
>>24984297>well-connectedlet's not pretend it'll be anything other than that.
>>24984294I'm finishing my bachelors in mathematical statistics and pretty much everyone here gets a job with it, let alone a masters, pay is also way better than the average wagecuck to whom solving a quadratic is like solving the riemann hypothesis, so you're very off. The only bubble that is popping is CS, you have to basically submit to slave wage to get a job.
>>24984491theres plenty of well connected people whos connections will dwindle without the other things to make them valuable when pressure is on. what you've just said is actually cope
>>24984595Nepotism is bulletproof in anything but a complete economic collapse and even then it does alright for itself.
I wish I could go to college so bad guys. I'm 30. I just have zero ability for STEM. Nothing im good at can make any money at all
Social sciences PhD coming through. My unemployment is bulletproof
>>24984205Post recs fren
>>24984604You don't need to be good at things to go to college. Just get an associates degree in counseling and become a drug and alcohol counselor. It's a high growing field and all you have to do is listen to junkies bitch about nothing is their fault and say "Actually maybe it is fren" sympathetically.
>>24984611What? Why would I do any of that?
>>24984092I really liked and was good at formal logic and abstract algebra but any further study of mathematics required calculus and I was completely incapable of absorbing any bit of Calculus so I was forced to give up on math It sucks. I don't understand why
>>24984205You aren't in a million years going to self-learn higher level math such as this, if you want to actually understand it, that's why people go to college.
I regret not taking the humanities seriously when I was a student. Such cases.
>>24984617To make money? It's an easy job and you can obtain employment as one effortlessly. I make 68k a year, have no stress, and can shitpost on the job when I'm not actively counseling or doing patient paperwork. Plus junkie chicks who are on the rebound are literally throwing pussy at any male authority figure who listens to them and can put in a good word for them to their judge or DHR. Just don't fuck them until they are done with their treatment.t. Drug and alcohol counselor
>>24984633This isn't related to my post.
>>24984623I think if you have the aptitude for it, dedicate time, and (this is key:) get a good textbook with exercises and test yourself on them, then it's perfectly doable. Unfortunately the aptitude component is startlingly rare. From personal experience, I'd say only about 10% of people are actually capable of the abstract thinking needed to do most math above a high school level. It's very hard to force people to see from the correct angle.
>>24984202It’s always too late to tell desk jockeys to do exercise before they get back issues, however let me recommend you front squats. It’s an anti-ego lift that will put a lot more requirement on your stabilization skills than the back squat. I’d pair that with romanian deadlifts (again no ego weights just good form) plus good mornings. People who only do big squat and dl numbers will fall apart doing front squats because their trunk stabilization is actually shit and both exercises lets you push past that (until you overdo it or fail form and get snap city). >>24984180The humanities are often described in a way that makes it clear you should only do it as a hobby, night courses or distance education. It can’t (or at least no longer does) advance you
>>24984648Basically everything in life is decided before you're born. It really is hopeless.
>>24984637jesus you are retarded and beyone help
>>24984673>It can’t (or at least no longer does) advance youYou are completely free to go into something academic related. You only think in terms of corporate business, which is your issue, so yes you in particular would have been better off being a STEM drone.
>>24984679Ok
>>24984648>I'd say only about 10% of people are actually capable of the abstract thinking needed to do most math above a high school level.and only 0.6% of /lit/'s population.
Watching mathcels seethe because they couldn't grasp high school Trig will never not be hilarious. Explains why the average /lit/ user is so fucking bad at philosophy as well.
>>24984692Wouldn't a mathcel be someone really good at math to the detriment of other abilities
>>24984621Why is math gatekept like this
>>24984707To keep the subhumans and pseuds out.
>>24984621maybe look up an advanced calculus textbook that approaches it from a formal perspective. Try Spivak's calc.
>>24984648I want to see some verification that you actually know math if I'm going to take you serious. If you say you know real analysis, you should be able to solve this
>>24984714No I really just cannot do that kind of math. It was massively detrimental to my life too. It made me drop out of college. It felt so frustrating. I loved proofs and logic and algebra and all the electives. I loved meeting with my math professors and going to after school meetings to see people's research But I just absolutely could not parse calculus I whatsoever. I can't even do pre-Calculus. Its been 10 years now. I'm still haunted by the regret. I fucking hate what my life has become.
Why are pseudo intellectual retards obsessed with math
>>24984293No, but you should be able to be active outside of work. Not that hard to do if you can manage your time right (hence, the skill issue). Also, anon became a security guard, which ISN'T just sitting around all day? You have the luxury to work a sedentary job that gives you the opportunity to improve physically outside of work. I'm not sure if blue collar workers can say the same. Their backs (and bodies) are most likely screwed up even more. Become /fitlit/.
>>24984721I've no room to speak, being in a similar situation where I can't be assed to program again more because of years of bad memories and regret than anything else, but I'm still going to encourage you to download spivak's calculus off annas archive or libgen or whatever and give it a perusal.
I ended up becoming an accountant, and I hate it. I'd give anything to go back to school and get a humanities degree.
>>24984122>getting back problems at 26 due to working at a deskpost BMI
>>24984092I've never been particularly lame at any STEM subject, and while I always enjoyed company that surpasses me in that respect, I knew perfectly well that I wasn't cut out for a career in that direction, or for that matter any kind of career. Just the same, I've never read anything much except for in the same spirit of idle curiosity and imaginative excess. >>24984100The guys I was friendly with in High School are a pretty mixed bunch in what they do and have done for a living, or not. Depressed NEET, senior partner in a law firm, airline captain, elementary school teacher, owner of a business that specializes in small aircraft brakes. In my experience doctors run the gamut from angel to monster, but lawyers, on the whole are pretty normal, and a whole lot better at conversation.
>>24984673>The humanities are often described in a way that makes it clear you should only do it as a hobby, night courses or distance education. It can’t (or at least no longer does) advance youIt's a legacy of western society being meritocratic with your eldest son given a liberal arts education to help them excel in industry and society and rise above their rank and climb the social ladder. Specialization was for second and third sons who had to become priests or military officers who weren't expected to really excel at anything. Once the west accepted Asiatic bugman-tier hyperspecialization and career optimization this became a hinderance rather than a boon.
Political science chads rise up, the future is ours.
College is pretty bleak right now. I think lots of people in my generation have given up, sadly. I (an foid btw) have come to terms with never getting that lit degree I always wanted. I hate the state of modern publishing, and I think being a woman will no doubt pressure publishers to make me write stuff that goes against my morals. Kinda autistic, but here’s my plan: >Pursuing boring ass accounting degree>Just keep attending church and pray until the right guy shows up (ward is all boomers) If we marry I can raise his kids and write books on the side. >Or transfer to my church’s one university. Go for cheap but deal with bs rules and whatnot. Maybe find a husband there if I’m lucky (old hag by certain standards)I try to stay hopeful, but I blame the economy for the lot of it. Millions must try.
>>24984777Political Science majors should be hung by their heels and beaten with flails.
>>24984784Tits or GTFO
I did a mathematics minor and I work as a manual labourer nowHonestly I struggle to view people as fully human if they couldn't keep up with mathematics up until around analysisSeeing people struggle with basic calculus fills me with disgust
>>24984621>good at abstract algebra>bad at calculusThat makes 0 sense. Unless it's some weird american naming thing where basic shit is labeled as abstract. I remember some guy on reddit said he studied complex analysis, but it was just some basic complex arithmetic and finding roots and shit.
>>24984801Just put the shovel in the dirt bro
