How important is psychiatry/psychoanalysis, in terms of creating societal change?I am a psychiatrist-to-be.How would you practice, if given unlimited power/funds to create your own health department? How would you set it up?I know of critical psychiatry and books like bad science and some by James Davies. But any thoughts on modern policy thinkpieces? Books about the best way to manage societies (mental) health from a macro/state/gov pov?Is psychiatry /lit/ or /sci/ ? Or some other bumfuck board?
>>24984277You are a nigger, as far as the whole of the diverse world intellectual tradition as we know it is concerned; and you should definitely kys.
>>24984288Also, you are too retarded to be helped. Sorry. This would be the right board though in comparison to others.
>>24984277>Is psychiatry /lit/ or /sci/Whichever board has the higher vaccination rate. Me personally I got through nursing school without ever getting the covid jab. I am a king among you peasants.
>>24984288>You are a niggerchecked and fpbp and /thread
/lit/ is psychoanalysis only
>>24984277>How important is psychiatry/psychoanalysis, in terms of creating societal change?Ask a psychiatrist how many people has he cured
>>24984328Never mention cures around psychoanalysts
>>24984277It's a P on an A to Z scale. Quite advanced! But not complete.
>>24984277>How important is psychiatry/psychoanalysis, in terms of creating societal change?Quite a lot. One of the anons called you retarded for talking about them, for example. The concept of retardation came from those fields.>Books about the best way to manage societies (mental) health from a macro/state/gov pov?Thomas Szasz.>Is psychiatry /lit/ or /sci/ ?Neither. I've got an anon here who tried to pull a no true scotsman on me by saying that one of the symptoms of the bipolar disorder are hallucinations (which are not), /sci/ didn't even know about the serotonin imbalance theory last time I posted about it (around COVID), and /lgbt/ is a fucking lost cause: as much as those people glaze psychology, ascribing to themselves half a dozen mental illnesses, they don't know shit about any of them. I had self-professed suicidal trannies on there telling me I wasn't funny. I had fuckers arguing in favour of data tampering. Forget any indepth discussion from them, they'll hit you with a "ChatGPT post" unless you post popsci tier trash./adv/ is an underaged board, just as /lit/, with the only difference is that they are not as butthurt as this place. That's where demoralization posts originated, btw. You might wanna check it some day. Just don't expect much.
>>24984328Do you not think 'adult ADHD' is product of a sick society?It's a cultural diagnosis, so it must have a social cure?
>>24984372>I've got an anon here who tried to pull a no true scotsman on me by saying that one of the symptoms of the bipolar disorder are hallucinations (which are not)Bipolar with psychotic features here. I don't hallucinate, just get grandiose and delusional
>>24984372It depends what you mean by hallucinations.Visual hallucinations are rare unless there's an 'organic' pathology like a brain tumour. But auditory hallucinations happens all the time with bipolar psychosis.The problem with bipolar, is bipolar 2.Thomas Szasz is too old for today's problems.Thanks for the lowdown. diagnosis is mostly cope and secondary gain, unless you're SMI, which /lgbt/ probs aren't.Demoralisation posts?
>>24984376No, not really. We are way too far from discovering a way to "cure" mental ill people. In fact, nowadays it seems that we've given up and we are trying to normalize them. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fcmdizGWfLo
>>24984386Smallbrain 'big pharma are bad' esque conspiracy vid.Obvs big pharma are fucked.But, having no cure is standard in micro pov, but macro level our societal thoughts can cure a sick society full of NEETS and PIP frauds?Most medical specialties have only a loose claim to cure btw the social risk factors trump in lung and heart disease etc..The question is not 'how do we mock big pharma' but how does literature/policy improve (mental) health?
>>24984377Based.Hope the pills aren't fucking you up.>>24984382>But auditory hallucinations happens all the time with bipolar psychosis.Not according to the DSM 5 (even the TR iirc).>Thomas Szasz is too old for today's problems.Which ones are you referring to specifically?>Demoralisation posts?Don't worry, it's something only terminally online people will notice.
>>24984392>The question is not 'how do we mock big pharma' but how does literature/policy improve (mental) health?Who the fuck cares nigga it's not that deep. You live in the age of relativism where mental illness is being normalized by the day. Just sit and enjoy the ride.
>>24984386Mental illness is a symptom. To cure it you need to find the cause first, which in most psychiatric cases is unknown. You can't really tackle much besides the symptoms in psychiatry. Asking a psychiatrist how many people he has cured is like asking a doctor working in palliative care how many people has he cured of cancer.
>>24984396>Hope the pills aren't fucking you upI probably need lithium or something to stabilize me long term. Right now Abilify is my only antipsychotic. Got Wellbutrin, propranolol and trazodone too.
Some anon recomended this months ago. Bought a copy but havent read it.Maybe itll be useful to you.
>>24984376"adult ADHD" is mostly a pretext for getting around legal restrictions on performance enhancing stimulantsnobody actually thinks the programmer using adderall to concentrate for longer periods of time is "treating" a "disorder", but he and his doctor have to pretend that he is.
>>24984412Forgive my ignorance, but doesn't people usually go to a psychologist first who finds out the cause, and then they go to a psychiatrist to get a recipe of pills? These pills do not cure you but make you dependant. That's why they can't say they have "cured" anyone.
I love psychiatrists because they give me adderall and I can tweak just like I did when I smoked ice but w/o the fear of getting arrested. Stimulant enhanced sex is the best sex you will ever have.
>>24984382>The problem with bipolar, is bipolar 2.do you mean that the type 2 classification muddies the diagnostic waters, since it's essentially just anxiety-depression disorder with rapid cycling?
From the psychoanalytic point of view, the sources of psychic suffering lie in one's constitution (including genetics), early childhood experience (including sexual trauma), and the intrinsic psychological conflicts between aggression and desire. These exist in all societies of all forms and at all times. There can be no social engineering that removes them.Social organization and cultural phenomena can make things relatively better or worse. Certain religions and political forms can exacerbate neuroticism and mental trauma, for example. It is very disheartening to see. But this has nothing to do with the primary sources of mental suffering, however.All conscious attempts to manipulate people on a large scale are likely to backfire and make things worse. Manipulation is ultimately alien to the analytic talking cure. Psychoanalysis has made a handy tool for left-wing activists, for sure, but ultimately it is only concerned with the individual psyche and any expansion beyond it immediately leads to idiocies.
>>24984482Tl;dr Clinical psychologists can't give you a diagnose, pills, etc. They are not MDs.They do psychotherapy, i.e. they try to convince you that you should change your worldview or lifestyle.Psychiatrists are the MDs, they prescribe pills and do the diagnosis before that.Let's say you are sad all the time for the last year or so, really want to kill yourself, and have a mild case of headache.You might go to a psychotherapist (another term for clinical psychologist) and he'll start asking you questions and trying to resolve your suicidal thoughts by discussing them with you.Let's say you go to the ER because you are seriously considering downing a bottle of barbiturates and need someone to stop you from doing that.They will send you to the psychiatrist. He doesn't know why you have these problems. He'll give you a questionaire or two, refer you to the neurologist, to the endocrinologist, ask for an MRI, and in the meantime, he will diagnose you will what he sees in you: major depression disorder.For the next week or so, they'll keep you around, try which meds help you.Now, imagine a patient who for the last year or so has been obsessing over suicidal thoughts, low self esteem, low sex drive, etc. Give him back his energy, and restore his sense of happiness: will it mean the patient will change the bleak mentality he had for the last year? Fuck no. This is why they send them to the psychologist too.The issue with psychiatry is that you need to actually know what causes those bad feelings. Let's say it's a faulty thyroid that causes depression. Then you need to cure it. No one knows how to. So they pump you with substitute hormones, or force the faulty thyroid to pump more hormones. The thyroid stays faulty tho, so you are always forced to eat those pills like candies.The funny thing is that the thyroid causing depression is a lucky case. 99% of times you won't even have that. You just try all kind of highs till the guy stops asking for a gun. If the guy is dependent on pill n.120058, even better. At least he won't kill himself, since he'll yearn for more of that drug.As I said, psychiatry is just palliative care for people who might harm themselves (or others).
>>24984518>>Social organization and cultural phenomena can make things relatively better or worse. So then how do we optimise this?
>>24984545How have our attempts to "optimize" things been working for us?
>>24984557Billion dollar industry
>>24984558Ask me how I know that you're American
>>24984559We're all American as far as capitalist greed is concerned
>>24984277Take your >& humanitiesthread to the garbage dump where it belongs
>>24984564>the garbage dumpHe came to the right board then.
>>24984277>How would you practice, if given unlimited power/funds to create your own health department? How would you set it up?The answer was in front of us all along.
>>24984527>psychiatry is just palliative care all modern medicine operates under the palliative paradigm, which is to say the physicalist/mechanical paradigm wherein the body is a closed loop machine that can only be, at best, jerry-rigged to extend decommission date. death is hard limit, finito, no permeability. medicine cannot cure; it does not aim to.ONLY integrated ritual can cure. and it has cured for thousands of years.
>>24984588Trvke.It's all about preventive care in order to withstand all the bullshit that gets thrown at you.
>>24984588Everyone knows modern medicine is useless ever since the Rockefellers tried to destroy organic, natural remedies in favor of Europeans depending on the petrochemical industry.
