On fairies:>The origins of the magical content of the pagan cults can be traced back to the fairies, who were a real, neo- lithic people, smaller in stature than the natives of northern Europe or England. They were a pastoral people who had no knowledge of agriculture. They fled before stronger, technologically more advanced murderers and missionaries who had contempt for their culture. They set up communities in the in- lands and concealed their dwellings in mounds half hidden in the ground. The fairies developed those magical skills for which the witches, centuries later, were burned.>The socioreligious organization of the fairy culture was matriarchal and probably polyandrous.>the fairy culture was still extant in England as late as the 17th century when even the pagan beliefs of the early witches had degenerated into the Christian parody which we associate with Satanism. The Christians rightly recognized the fairies as ancient, original sorcerers, but wrongly saw their whole culture as an expression of the demonic. There was communication between the fairies and the pagan women, and any evidence that a woman had visited the fairies was considered sure proof that she was a witch.>There were, then, three separate, though interre- lated, phenomena: the fairy race with its matriarchal social organization, its knowledge of esoteric magic and medicine; the woman-oriented fertility cults, also practitioners of esoteric magic and medicine; and later, the diluted witchcraft cults, degenerate parodies of Christianity
Bestiality:>Primary bestiality (fucking between people and other animals) is found in all nonindustrial societies. Secondary bestiality (generalized erotic relationships between people and other animals) is found everywhere on the planet, on every city street, in every rural town. Bestiality is an erotic reality, one which clearly places people in nature, not above it. The relationship between people and other animals, when nonpredatory, is always erotic since its substance is nonverbal communication and touch. That eroticism in its pure form is life-affirming and life-enriching was sufficient reason to make bestiality a capital crime in the Dark Ages, at least for the nonhuman animal; suffi- cient reason for the English in the Dark Ages to con- fuse sheep and Jews.>Needless to say, in androgynous community, human and other-animal relationships would become more explicitly erotic, and that eroticism would not degen- erate into abuse. Animals would be part of the tribe and, with us, respected, loved, and free. They always share our fate, whatever it is.Incest:>The parent-child relationship is primarily erotic because all human relationships are primarily erotic. The incest taboo is a particularized form of repression, one which functions as the bulwark of all the other re- pressions. The incest taboo ensures that however free we become, we never become genuinely free. The incest taboo, because it denies us essential fulfillment with the parents whom we love with our primary energy, forces us to internalize those parents and constantly seek them, or seek to negate them, in the minds, bodies, and hearts of other humans who are not our parents and never will be.>The destruction of the incest taboo is essential to the development of cooperative human community based on the free-flow of natural androgynous eroticism.Pedophilia:>As for children, they too are erotic beings, closer to androgyny than the adults who oppress them. Children are fully capable of participating in community, and have every right to live out their own erotic impulses. In androgynous community, those impulses would retain a high degree of nonspecificity and would no doubt show the rest of us the way into sexual self- realization. The distinctions between “children” and “adults,” and the social institutions which enforce those distinctions, would disappear as androgynous community develops.
on punctuation and capital letter:>this book is about the Immovable Sexual Structure. in the process of having it published, Ive encountered the Immovable Punctuation Typography Structure, and I now testify, as so many have before me, that the Immovable Structure aborts freedom, prohibits invention, and does us verifiable harm: it uses our holy hu- man energy to sustain itself; it turns us into enforcers, or outlaws; to survive, we must learn to lie. The Revolution, as we live it and as we imagine it, means destroying the Immovable Structure to create a world in which we can use our holy human energy to sustain our holy human lives; to create a world without enforcers, doorkeepers, guards, and arbitrary Law;>while this book may meet much resistance — anger, fear, dislike — law? policed courts7 —at this moment I must write: Ive attacked the fundaments of culture. thats ok. Ive attacked male dominance. thats ok. Ive attacked every heterosexual notion of relation. thats ok. Ive in effect advocated the use of drugs. thats ok. Ive in effect advocated fucking animals. thats ok. hereand now, New York City, spring '97a, among a handful of people, publisher and editor included, thats ok. lower case letters are not. it does make one wonder.>form. shape, structure, spatial relation, how the printed word appears on the page, where to breathe, where to rest. punctuation is marking time, indicating rhythms. even in my original text I used too much of it— I overorchestrated. I forced you to breathe where I do, instead of letting you discover your own natural breath.I begin by presuming that I am free.why do women hate capital letters?
On agender prehuman ancestors:>Men and women have the same basic body structure. Both have both male and female genitals — the clitoris is a vestigial penis, the prostate gland is most probably a vestigial womb. Since, as I pointed out earlier, there is information on only 2 percent of human history, and since religious chronicles, which were for centuries the only record of human history, consistently speak of another time in the cycle of time when humans were androgynous, and since each sex has the vestigial organs of the other, there is no reason not to postulate that humans once were androgynous — hermaphroditic and androgynous, created precisely in the image of that constantly recurring androgynous godhead.Sometimes jews ate babies, but the babies were ALREADY dead. No biggie.>There is no evidence that any living child was killed to be eaten, or that any living child was sac- rificed. There is evidence that sometimes dead infants were ritually eaten, or used in ritual. Cannibalism, and its not so symbolic substitute, animal sacrifice, was a vital part of the ritual of all early religions, includ- ing the Jewish one.
Lastly, on getting off to degenerate rape smut>This is, then, the story of O: O is taken by her lover René to Roissy and cloistered there; she is fucked, sucked, raped, whipped, humiliated, and tortured on a regular and continuing basis — she is programmed to be an erotic slave, René's personal whore; after being properly trained she is sent home with her lover; her lover gives her to Sir Stephen, his half-brother; she is fucked, sucked, raped, whipped, humiliated, and tor- tured on a regular and continuing basis; she is ordered to become the lover of Jacqueline and to recruit her for Roissy, which she does; she is sent to Anne-Marie to be branded with Sir Stephen's mark and to have rings with his insignia inserted in her cunt; she serves as an erotic model for Jacqueline's younger sister Natalie who is infatuated with her; she is taken to a party masked as an owl, led on a leash by Natalie, and there plundered, despoiled, raped, gangbanged; realizing that there is nothing else left for Sir Stephen to do with her or to her, fearing that he will abandon her, she asks his permission to kill herself and receives it>I experienced O with the same infantile abandon as the Newsweek reviewer who wrote: “What lifts this fascinating book above mere perversity is its movement toward the transcendence of the self through a gift of the self ... to give the body, to allow it to be ravaged, exploited, and totally possessed can be an act of consequence, if it is done with love for the sake of love.”
Was she right about it all bros?
>>24984886Is this an actual quote from the book? Holy fuck, if it is she was even more schizo than I already understood.
>>24984886>tries to explain men's attitudes toward women>solidifies those attitudes through her own derangementSo this is the power of feminist scholarship...
>>24984928Needs to hit that Oz.
>>24984886I can't
>>24984886the thing about dworkin is… she herself was basically a man. she wasn’t feminine looking obviously, but she followed all the intellectual (masculine) trends in her criticism. there was nothing feminine or womanly about her.
>>24985410They are all 100% real quotes LOLI'm pretty convinced anyone claiming they love reading dworkin is just posturing and doesn't read books. Even if you are an angry teenage girl... come on lol.
>>24985410Never read Dworkin, but the concept of fatherhood wasn’t understood until relatively late in human history, and wasn’t introduced into religious thought until the advent of agriculture. Ancient Europe was matrilineal.
>>24984928She looks like an ogre. This photo alone refutes her. This disgusting hog hates the healthy and normal for the same reason that the fox disliked the grapes all along.
>>24985482There is literally no proof of this. Also, even if it were 100% true that's still no excuse for asserting as fact that fairies were a real, pre-agricultural pygmy race inhabiting England from the stone age into the 17th century and also that they could do real magic.
>>24985495There (literally) is. Neolithic European sites suggest women held prominent roles (figurines, grave goods, house structures indicate matrilineal inheritance). Also, use your common sense - in primitive communities only motherhood is obvious. No way to be sure of biological father. most poets would argue that magic is real
>>24985506How many comments is it going to take to get you to address the 1600s pygmy fairy race in england LOL
>>24985509Don’t think I ever said anything defending that.
>>24984886Dvorkin>Early life
>>24984886I love fairies. They're super cute
>>24985506>house structures indicate matrilineal inheritancelmao>use your common senseMy common sense suggests that humans can recognize the facial features of their offspring and also that paleolithic women were wholly exposed to the violent control of men. Anyway, that whole thing about not understanding paternity was literlaly confecred by the Robert Graves generation, there is no actual attestation of it whatever. Why do you think men are instinctively sexually jealous?
>>24985541House continuity through female lines, clustered female burials, and grave goods passed mother-to-daughter are standard indicators used worldwide… it’s consistent with matrilineality and inconsistent with strict patrilineal inheritance.Facial resemblance is vague, develops late and unreliable - hardly a foundation for inheritance or religious law. No argument about what person you expel from.>literlaly confecredeh?
What happens when a very troubled woman gets a microphone because she's jewish.
oh, so when Evola makes up evocative pseudohistory it's fine, but when a *woman* does it...
>>24985484if a basic level if mediagenic attractiveness is a requirement for publishing, nobody on here will ever see their work in print
>>24985779Evola is considered retarded by 99.99% of mankind Anon
>>24984886>The origins of the magical content of the pagan cults can be traced back to the fairies, who were a real, neo- lithic people, smaller in stature than the natives of northern Europe or England.Biologically speaking they wouldn't survive the english winter. Bigger organisms survive in colder environments (see bears).> any evidence that a woman had visited the fairies was considered sure proof that she was a witch.Wrong. Fairies trolled anyone who interracted with them by cursing them. Regardless of gender, you need to cure the curse by blessing a concoction in the forest: since the herbs and the whole process happened in the forest, this was usually done by those schizo ladies that do all the "shamanic" rituals that was considered medicine in rural england and that warranted a lot of witch accusations to them. (i might be wrong on some points, see Bald's leechbook).>its knowledge of esoteric magicMagic is inherently esoteric.
>>24984924You are taking that quote out of context.Here is the full quote:>Also, O is particularly compelling for me because I once believed it to be what its defenders claim —the mystical revelation of the true, eternal, and sacral destiny of women. The book was absorbed as a pulsating, erotic, secular Christianity (the joy in pure suffering, woman as Christ figure). I experienced O with the same infantile abandon as the Newsweek reviewer who wrote: “What lifts this fascinating book above mere perversity is its movement toward the transcendence of the self through a gift of the self … to give the body, to allow it to be ravaged, exploited, and totally possessed can be an act of consequence, if it is done with love for the sake of love.”1 Any clear-headed appraisal of O will show the situation, O’s condition, her behavior, and most importantly her attitude toward her oppressor as a logical scenario incorporating Judeo-Christian values of service and self-sacrifice and universal notions of womanhood, a logical scenario demonstrating the psychology of submission and self-hatred found in all oppressed peoples. O is a book of astounding political significance.She wasn't "getting off to degenerate rape smut". She was saying that she was clueless as to what the work entailed, being psyoped by favourable reviews.She finished the chapter by saying:>To sum up, Story of O is a. story of psychic cannibalism, demonic possession, a story which posits men and women as being at opposite poles of the universe —the survival of one dependent on the absolute destruction of the other. It asks, like many stories, who is the most powerful, and it answers: men are, literally over women’s dead bodies.Dworkin, as a lot of feminists, was against that book. Sadomasochism, as it is present in her present day and age, is, according to her, an expression of manhood. She was in favour of sadomasochism as something that doesn't entail male dominance though.
interesting stuff; a good author
>>24984928She's right that that word refers to actual groups of related historical sorcerers (early Celts, related closely to the Halstatt culture), and also correct that there was a small, dark-haired race of primitives in Europe driven out or exterminated by Celtic and later Germanic expansion, but she's wrong to conflate those two groups. The second group (many names for them, in Ireland they were called the Fomorians) were a race of hideous degenerates, and the first group (who you're not supposed to name - they don't like it) are very likely to take offense to this identification. Ms Dworkin may not be long for this world. If she comes to a place where they still have power, like Ireland or Wales, she's liable to disappear.
>>24985885Oh, I'm seeing now that she died in 2005.
>>24985827Bigger organisms *tend to survive better* in colder environments, but this doesn't mean that smaller organisms don't survive in cold environments, and Northern Europe isn't especially cold. It's full of squirrels, foxes, rabbits and small birds.
>>24984886She got this from a book called Witch Cult in Western Europe btw. HP Lovecraft also believed it.
>>24985898>tend to survive betterYes, and this is why you will see bigger humans and animals in colder regions.Dysgenic exceptions pretty much prove the general rule. No autoctonous community of pygmies in England would predate the spreading of a taller population that fared from hotter lands.Pygmyism itself is a term used to describe populations that live in equatorial regions.>SquirrelThe grey squirrel is mauling the red squirrel that is native to the UK. And it's bigger.>rabbitsNo.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_rabbithttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_hareBoth introduced species. The hare is bigger than the rabbit, and this is why is native to colder regions.>BirdsThey migrate.Can't say much about foxes though. You got me there.
>>24985867She would have loved ya dark romantasy
>>24985917>Yes, and this is why you will see bigger humans and animals in colder regions.That's what's being described though, them being outcompeted by Celtic and Germanic migrants. That's not the same as them "not surviving the winter", they were probably there for tens of thousands of years before the Celts arrived.>squirrelsFair.>rabbitsAlso fair, I didn't actually realise that rabbits were not native to the British Isles.>birdsMost small birds in Britain and Ireland aren't migratory. The ones that are migratory generally come *to* Britain and Ireland to escape colder winters in inland Russia. This is why robin redbreasts appear in Britain and Ireland around Christmas time.
>>24985779evola had a cool monocle and wasn't the most obnoxious person to ever live
All the fairy apologists are baiting. There would be skeletons of fairy people LOL. Show me 1 fairy bone. Closest your going to get are indonesian hobbits who died 50k years ago. That puts them slightly before Dworkins 17th century and a little far away from England.
>>24986181Who the fuck do you think is buried in all the neolithic tombs across Europe? Do you think that stories first told by pre-literate savages ten thousand years ago would survive unaltered to the modern day? The population in question were just ordinary people in pre-Celtic Europe and early-Celtic Europe.
i’m 45th generation roman
>>24986285They aren't hobbit sized fairies you retard
>>24986181have you checked under the toadstools
>>24986181>there would be skeletonsAn entire race of pygmies left one skeleton and you're braindead enough to think this supports your case.All plate armor in European museums is made for either ten year old boys or fairies. Humans migrated to Europe from inside the hollow Earth around 1790.
>>24986334Pygmies from 50,000 years ago, not 17th century LOL
>>24986341Until 2003 when some bones accidentally slipped past the FDL your "argument" applied to the pygmies. We know who you are and why you're doing this.
Do we really need two Dworkin threads on the front page? You guys have the brains of squirrels.
>>24986388He copied me
>>24984898Wtf I love Dworkin now
>>24985871Post tits and body mass index.
>>24985871
>>24986317Nobody has suggested this other than you. You're boxing with your own shadow and somehow it still seems to be frustrating you.
Why do superlibs act like any standards for behavior whatsoever are evil? It's like an ineffable form of narcissism where any uncomfortable emotion that arises in them is always someone else's fault and that person now deserves to be killed. There's never some reflection along the lines of>I seem to be pissing a lot of people off, maybe I should at least consider that this behavior of mine is unhealthy and change itit's always>I should get to do whatever I want whenever I want for free and any resistance to this at all is literally fascism
>>24985906It's far older than that. Both were inspired by ancient Irish myths.
>>24987520It was made up wholesale by a woman named Margaret Murray who got it by autistically cross-referencing hundreds of Scottish witch trials which themselves mostly reference Anglo-Saxon mythology.
>>24987529My knowledge is fairly limited, so please forgive me for any mistakes. My understanding is the Irish creation myth involves a progression three different invasions, the Formians who were short and swarthy but had magical powers because Ireland, the Tuath Dé Danann, mighty heros and demigods, and the Milesians, mere mortal men from Northern Spain whom bested the Tuath Dé Danann on their own terms, banishing them over the Cliffs of Moher.
>>24987098i sport new balance sneakers to avoid a narrow path
>>24987594The witch cult hypothesis has very little to do with actual Irish mythology. It does posit that the cult originated with a pre-Aryan race of Asiatic shepherds and does identify these shepherds as the origin of fairy myths, but for evidence the hypothesis mostly points to the holidays that early modern witch covens were supposed to celebrate, claiming that they don't align with any holidays celebrated by any agricultural Indo-European people and therefore concluding that the shepherds' religion lived on in secret for thousands of years until it gradually evolved into the witch cult which was wiped out during the witch trials.
>>24987594This is broadly accurate although the story usually allows for the Tuatha Dé Danann to still be "around". Sometimes they were driven "into the hills", other times they agreed to split the land in half with the Milesians, but the Milesians were sneaky and clever in that way Irish people can be and they chose "the top half". These are possibly later additions by the Church though.
