Damn, it really does BTFO almost every modern ideology and theory of happiness. Thanks for recommending this Anon. I admit my error. I was into might makes right, BAP, PUA shit, status, wealth, lifts, etc. (much of which is not bad in itself, but neither the source of happiness either) out of error.From now on I will seek virtue. Reflecting on it, a lot of key Manosphere guys and other celebs I looked up to actually seem quite miserable, so Boethius seems spot on here.Where do I go next? Someone recommended Saint Augustine On the Free Choice of the Will, and Boethius seems to like Plato? Plato has like 50 books though.
>>24991213>From now on I will seek virtueWhose virtue, though?
>>24991223My own. I suppose I should seek that of my friends and future wife too, but doesn't that come through the pursuit of virtue for oneself?
Cringe
>>24991213>Where do I go next?Guenon (pbuh) and Shankara (pbuh)
>>24991213If you want to read Plato in that light, I suggest reading the Gorgias, the dialogue in which Socrates defends the pursuit of virtue against the theory of the sophists. It's also quite pleasing to read. Good luck on your journey.
>>24991262Nah
Tradshit is cope. Anyone who can make bank and pull chicks on the reg does that. Whereas even if a trad finds their magical virgin tradwife she's going to be btfo by having a kid within 12 months and then traddad is going to be changing diapers and grinding for his salary while real Chad is out at the club with sloots pulling 6 times his income because he didn't settle for a cope job.And then if I ever choose to have kids later they will own your kids because I'll leave them money and yours will just have had some impoverished homeschool education where they were lied to and told money isn't important. Or I'll just replace them with AI lol.Of course, cucks will seethe about this which is why trads cope by buying so many guns and dream about muh collapse but the rich actually do better most crises. I can have 8,000 experienced killer vets from African wars fighting for me for $10 an hour + citizenship as things go south, and you'll get wrecked by them plus AI kill drones.>B-but muh homesteadSure, retreat to live like of medieval peasant. Oh wait, but on what land? With what seed? Guess who owns all of that cuck.And the funny thing is that the bank maxing Chad actually does more for technological and GDP growth and for all. All the Trad can do is cry about muh morals.
>>24991395??You can earn good money and still have a life and wife with trad values
>>24991255Just realized I will never experience the feeling of cuddling on a couch with the Greeks :/
If you were not happy before, you are not going to be happy "seeking virtue" masturbating alone in your goypod as everything around you turns to shit.Roman Briton monks did this and got BTFO by the picts and then the Anglo Saxons as a result. Then the Anglo Saxons themselves turned onions, retreated into monkism and got BTFO by Vikings and Normans in turn.And someone who uses the word "manosphere" unironically is a mentally ill retard.
>>24991213It's satire. Boethius only turns to philosoCOPE when he loses all his money, power, status, women, etc. Just consider how unbelievable it would be if Lady Philosophy, at the end, offered to allow him to keep either his education, and then go get executed, or to get all his money and power back. It would be ridiculous if he chose the first lol.And even the more plausible parts fail because Darwin proved that man is just a monkey and that success is just being the biggest, strongest monkey with the most monkeyettes and most bananas. And Newton proved it's all just atoms anyhow. Anything else is cope.
>>24991425All men are mortal. All men die. All men fail. All men age. I guess we should all just be total degenerates and slaves to the passions then.
>>24991395Cringe
>>24991213Good for you anon, Plato has lots of books but many of them are short, and they're often very entertaining. I'd recommend the Phaedrus and the Symposium (and the Republic obviously). Also read Strauss on Plato (BAP is a Straussian). You might also be interested in Pocock's account of how you get from Boethius to Machiavelli.
>>24991395Locked
>>24991475>Read Strauss He is celebrating escaping the pathologies of modernity; why do you want to drag him back in?>"Actually, all the ancient Greeks got Plato completely wrong, including Aristotle, his student of 20 years. The real Plato slept until 20th century ironists decoded him and discovered he was a modern!"Also: >The Republic is primarily about political theory. All "ironic" takes require this ridiculous premise, even though the ideal city is introduced as ideal and as merely a way to describe the ordering of the soul. Strauss' whole schtick about how the plebs won't know that the Philosopher Kings are worth recruiting doesn't make any sense given they are a stand in for logos and logos is literally the part of the soul that does all knowing in the first place.>BAP is a StraussianSays more than I ever could.>Getting from Boethius to Machiavelli.Cliffnotes: nominalism and moral decay.
>>24991505Well, the new thing is reading Plato as a post-modern skeptic. Plato is allowed to stay in philosophy syllabi because the dialogues leave wiggle room to reread him. Aristotle, by contrast, gets reduced to the Ethics, and then everything from then to Descartes is studiously ignored, especially the antique view of Plato and Aristotle by their fellow Greeks.
>>24991404Yes, but then the trad must admit that all the Christcuck slave morality is a mask, or at most (bad) aesthetics and that money, power, and puss is king.
>>24991223>>24991395>>24991425>>24991455Imagine thinking that someone like Jeffery Epstein lives the best sort of human life (or would have if he hadn't gotten caught) while someone like Laozi or Saint Francis is a "cuck."
>>24991534Cool meme...until you realize that later on the hobbit that accepted Sauron's offer will come and burn Frodo's house and drag off his wife and daughters and enslave him.
>>24991475>BAP is a Straussian*Straussian adjacent, but explicitly not a Straussian, and not much liked by them
>>24991395You seem to be upset.
>>24991534>>24991543Didn't the Shire get razed in the books? Seems like evil wins again
>>24992030Nothing is good or bad but thinking makes it so. Anything else is slave morality.
>>24992041What if you don't think
>>24991395>Oh wait, but on what land?You can own land. >With what seed?You know plants make more seeds when they bloom, right? You dob't need to use Goysanto seeds.
>>24992030The garden is an expression of hobbit nature. Each instanced physical garden doesn't matter, through the virtue of the ring bearer the form of the hobbit garden continues to be embodied into eternity while the orc form can be undone with physical violence. The orc is completely bound to the physical while the hobbit is a spirit from heaven blessing the earth with gardens.
>>24991395Holy cringe
>>24991395>I can have 8,000 experienced killer vets from African wars fighting for me for $10 an hourNo you can't lol
>>24991213>Where do I go next?The Doctrine of Awakening
>>24992150>You can own land.Not really but access is basically ownership. You can just go to abandoned islands or deserts and live there. With energy you can live anywhere so the key is always turbines, spinning copper coils.When the monkey army shows up you waste their time as much as possible while giving them an out through taking some bananas or whatever and leaving.
>>24991213>>24991255Well then, what's a virtue? do you have a definition?
>>24991515This is how my philosophy degree went.
>>24991425>>24991395Actually having read the Consolation should be mandatory before posting here. This is embarrassing.
>>24991515Not really any kind of new thing. The Middle and New Academies read him that way all down to at least Cicero's time, when the physical site was in ruins and the school members were dispersed. But even down to Numenius you have a reading of the Euthyphro saying that it's really a secret critique of Athenian religion.
>>24992392You're trying too hard to be retarded
>>24992392Excellence.If you cannot tell the difference between cowardice and courage, prudence and rashness, between a Tom Brady and some garbage third string, strength and weakness, greatness of soul and pettiness, I don't know what to tell you. If you cannot tell the difference between these things you likely lack all virtue.
>>24992499It's pretty common. There aren't a lot of people who are competently trained in the classical tradition and the secular academy tends to shun those who gravitate towards it. This shows up in literature too where readings of Virgil and Homer vary WILDLY from those of antiquity. You can see this in literature too. Takes like "Francesca and Paulo are conquering Hell with humanist love" are only possible when one is either ignorant of the tradition Dante comes out of of is consciously undermining it in bad faith. I'd argue that we long have shifted from the former to the latter, that now ignorance reigns and transgression is celebrated for its own sake with no knowledge of what was discarded in the rush to "freedom means discarding all morality and culture so you can do whatever you will!"
>>24993345>>24993345I intentionally took a teasing stance to spark replies. I do have my own definition:Virtue is a quality that denotes a cooperation of emotions, senses, inclinations and appetites with reason, knowledge, philosophy in order to promote the self. The reason is so that the self, the ego, the will (it's all the same) and keeping control, keeping choice within your life is what virtues are aimed at. Strength, courage, taste, creativity, independence all have in common that they rhyme with self-promotion and cowardice, or recklessness, weakness, dullness, begging rhyme with suicide; if you do not make that connection you are still lost. The problem when people say they live for virtue, for happiness, is that they have said nothing and are still susceptible to be manipulated by others who tell them that self-sacrifice is a virtue, that self-negation will lead to happiness. I just typed "list of virtues" in Google and oh my god a good over-half of them are traps or just nonsense
>>24994213>>The reason is so that the self, the ego, the will (it's all the same) and keeping control, keeping choice within your life is what virtues are aimed atNot to the ancients and medievals. Read the fucking Consolation, it's short and lays everything out clearly.
