Hello! This a a group focused on music appreciation which means reading great texts on musical theory and history. I already have several in mindhttps://youtu.be/xp6jLTz446cThe materials I have chosen for this group focus on the western, classical tradition, including ballet and opera, but other materials are also welcome.This is what I suggest to start with: The Great Courses Lectures and textbook Music Appreciation which will give you a good grounding in basic musical literacy. You can download the textbook for free from Anna'a Archive, and you can watch the lectures for free on Kanopy, a streaming service for those with library cards. If for some reason you can't access Kanopy, lmk in the discord so I can set you up with an alternative free link to lectures https://discord.gg/XhFGx57VKmDown the road we will also enjoy operas and ballets. Input is always welcomehttps://youtu.be/0kgUMlvRUh0This week we will be viewing lecture one of Music Theory: The Foundation of Great Music, as well as reading lesson one from the textbook
I forgot this resource, really handy free tool for music theoryhttps://www.musictheory.net/Also, if you don't have a piano, you might want to to use a larger virtual piano for some of the exercises in the course in identifying notes. I won't link a specific one since there are plenty of of them out there, and many allow you to play the keys using your keyboard
>>24994911Good books like Alex Ross' The Rest Is Noise but focused on earlier periods?
>>24994932The Oxford History of Western Music. Six volumes, or five with the index and bibliography distributed over the other volumes. Also comes in a one-volume version for students. Very very very well written. There is a great epub on Anna's Archive of the five volume version
Why not a jazz group?
Music created by a schizophrenic who drowned himself:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tttag0f5yU
>>24994911>texts on musical theory and historyWe made a chart on /mu/ some time ago, but I guess it's not what you're looking for.
>>24994911Recs for people that actually play and compose:Fux - Gradus ad ParnassumGjerdingen - Music of the GallantJohn Mortenson - Pianist’s Guide to Historic Improvisation, and Improvising Fugue
>>24994911>the great coursesI wish I could remember where it was, but IIRC when doing a lecture on Tchaikovsky, the guy drops this quote about how every great piano player is either Jewish or a pedophile while touching on the subject of whether or not Tchaikovsky was gay, that’s always stuck with me.
>>24996612We're using spoken lectures with videos. Classic works of music theory are not really the best way to enter it. I also don't think the average /mu/ user knows any more about music theory than the average /lit/ user, that includes in /classical/ which seems more about hero worship of specific composers as an exercise in identity
>>24996640Great Courses have a slight tradcon favoritism despite also having lectures by other religions and secular ideas on the Gospels. They have a whole course on the conservative tradition
>>24996640That sounds like Greenberg. I have a hard time not recommending him because he really is an expert on teaching the unfamiliar to recognize structure in classical music; but he sure loves to be a lying little jew rat just uncommonly enough to almost get away with it.
>>24996784Care to give some examples?
>>24996803Besides the one in the previous post if that was indeed him, there are two in particular I recall: -In discussing Verdi‘s Otello, framing Iago‘s motivation as repressed homosexuality via psychoanalytic reasoning (I suspect this is a tool he has picked up from fellow jew Maynard Soloman who uses it under spurious pretenses throughout his biographies)-Framing the fourth movement of Beethoven‘s Eroica as a whiggish reconciliation of master and servant, which is an extremely suspect thing to project onto the potentially Jacobin Beethoven.
>>24996816Good heavens, he slandered Iago!Beethoven wrote Eroica in honor Napoleon and only struck out his name because Napoleon made himself emperor
>>24996816Nigga homoeroticism was very popular in the European Renaissance as a way to interpret text. When King James scandalized some people with how affectionate he has toward the Duke of Buckingham, he said Jesus had his John and His Majesty had his Buckingham. The way Iago absolutely hates women to the extent that he publicly humiliates his wife just to make a point of how much he hates women definitely suggests he is motivated by jealousy of Desdemona. His malice in the play is insanely irrational and resembles a scorned woman's in its vindictiveness. It's hard to explain his motives any other way
>>24996843Nta but that is unbelievably retarded. Iago explicitly says that he's attracted to and wants to sleep with Desdemona. The inexplicability of his motivation has been analysed a million times and everyone is aware that what's important is that he's an incarnation of evil, made overt at times in the play, and that his genius is inscrutable. When Iago says he wont explain anything at the end, that is not repressed homosexuality not wanting to be shamed. The ONLY thing in the entire play that could be interpreted as homosexual on Iago's part was his fantasy of sleeping next to Cassio (the play presents it as a normal non-sexual situation for two men to be sleeping next to each other) when Cassio puts his leg on him and tries to kiss him mistaking him for Desdemona. But it serves a purpose of incriminating Cassio in Othello's eyes.
>>24996836Well he slandered Shakespeare by not marking the theory as extremely speculative and founded on poor methodology. You‘re going on an unrelated tangent with babby’s first (profoundly oversimplified) trivia where the Eroica is concerned. These are just the out-and-out lies, mind you. I‘m not at this time taking him to task for, let‘s say, declaring that the bassoon should intrude in the middle of Beethoven‘s sixth as clumsily is possible as a joke, using cartoon analogies to discuss the interplay of themes, stating the last movement of Beethoven’s Second is about IBS (although actually I probably could have filed that one in with the lies,) legitimizing Schönberg and jazz, or the other multiple and various pitfalls which meaningfully detract from the student‘s grasp of the romantic aura and gravity which is essential to understanding this music.
>>24994911Can't go wrong with a couple classicshttps://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Fragments_of_Heraclitus_(annotated)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtxFAA0xlg8
>>24996848Iago's motivation from the very beginning is explicitly that he feels his loyalty is unrecognized by Othello. That fact that he isn't outright saying or even necessarily thinking he wants a homosexual relationship doesn't change the obvious dynamic of his revenge being about jealousy over being scorned by Othello and his feeling that he is not given the affection he deserves. You don't have to read that as consciously homosexual but my guy it is inarguably homoerotic, especially when it turns him so irrationally malicious and vindictive
>>24996848>Iago explicitly says that he's attracted to and wants to sleep with DesdemonaHave you ever seen irreversible?
Just as /pol/ has Mutt's Law, /lit/ has Wilde's Law
>>24996852Fellas is it gay to be mad my boss didn‘t promote me
>>24996784That was my takeaway after about 60 hours of his content. My jewdar was ringing off the charts at several points but he’s so genuinely knowledgeable and funny, and it wasn’t your typical insufferable jew seething so I could never stay mad at him for long>>24996803I’m the one that posted the pedo quote. He also declares repeatedly and in no uncertain terms that Beethoven 4 is one long fart joke in his Beethoven symphony series.
>>24996852No one has ever interpreted Iago's motivation as desiring Othello's affection. You're such a fucking moron. Why choose the most overtly baseless homoerotic interpretation when there are a million normal explanations? You don't need any more explanation other than what Iago says, he's spiteful because he believes he was slighted by Othello, and iirc he later stops caring about that and only continues his revenge for sport. Not once has his character ever displayed any desire for affection. That's doesn't make sense for his extremely intellectual and self-controlled personality. It's such a ridiculous interpretation and shows that you didn't pay attention to anything when reading the play.
>>24996865It's gay to be obsessed with your boss for it and engage in extensive lying and manipulation and framing his wife and friend and being willing to destroy your life and everyone else's including your wife's to take revenge, and ready to kill her and your friend at a moment's notice to carry out your plans Yeah, that's pretty fucking gay. Not even talking about a boss who mistreats you but one who doesn't love you as much as you think he should so you depend on how much he trusts you to set him up
>>24996843>homoeroticism was very popular in the European RenaissanceNo coombrain. Not in context. You're on a literature board so I suggest you learn how sexual imagery doesn't simply mean fucking.
>>24996896>no but it‘s gay to be evilNo it‘s gay to want to fuck him which our evidence of is, again, spurious at best and not to be presented in educational format as anything but. Everything you‘re describing falls into the prior category of Iago as some innate incarnation of evil and by the literal nature of the thing requires speculative leaps to artificially transfigure as another explanation.
>>24996640I know Lang Lang is not Jewish
>>24996924Iago is just a human being. Aaron the Moor is closer to an inmate incarnation of evil. Iago has an ax to grind specifically with one man and his life is prosperous and respectable until then when he loses his shit.
>>24996909It's not gay if you don't lock eyes bro
>>24996992Iago gives another motivation for killing Cassio, because he's profoundly evil and manifesting much more than just his own revenge. This allows his reasons to be fluid. IIRC Iago says that he no longer cares about Othello's slight, but he goes ahead with the revenge for other reasons.>if Cassio do remain,>He hath a daily beauty in his life>That makes me ugly
>>24994911>key to Emanationism
>>24994911Anything by Gesualdo
>>24997149Gesualdo the man is cool. Madrigals annoy the shit out of me though.
>>24997069I got a lyre for Christmas. I might look into ancient modal tunings for fun, so far I’ve just been fucking around in Dorian and mixolydian which is fun but very ren-faire / DND-core
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_WNEMldGkU
>>24997157They are completely enchanting for me. You always see characters being moved by music in media, but I always thought it was exaggeration. I love music, but listening to Gesualdo is like waking up from a dream.
Scriabin.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtDLSsbDpGw>The Alexander Scriabin Companion: History, Performance, and Lore by Lincoln Ballard, Matthew Bengtson, John Bell Young
>>24997069>why do you harmonize? We don't do that in the Republic>why don't you use strict monophony like we do in the Republic?>why do you have counterpoint? We don't do that in the Republic
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>>25000307Why bump when not a single anon wants to participate?
>>24994911Do I really have to take courses and take music theory to listen to classical music?I’m honestly asking, not shitting on you OP
>>25000358You don't have to know how to read to appreciate books, you can just listen to them
>>25000366I’m also interested in opera and ballet but I don’t know if this thread will be alive for me to see the resourcesIs planets a good starter for classic music
>>25000374For opera I strongly recommend starting with the Barber of Seville. An excellent production is available for free on Bilibili: https://b23.tv/DGQ7ed6For ballet, I strongly recommend starting with Giselle. An excellent production is available for free on Bilibili: https://b23.tv/P9HVg31If that whets your appetite, some books you might be interested in are Ballet: The Definitive Illustrated History. And Opera: The Definitive Illustrated History Here are other choice operas https://youtu.be/3stgof-xyN0https://youtu.be/lAcedJD4LawOther choice ballets (scroll down until you come to the video player)https://videotanz.ru/dance/young-men-the-movie/https://videotanz.ru/dance/creature-film/https://videotanz.ru/dance/1984/https://videotanz.ru/dance/gizelle/
>>25000598As for classical music generally is so unbelievably broad it is like asking "where do I start with art"Here are eleven pieces you might try if only to see the diversity Bach: https://youtu.be/XcsfDxojdV8Julia Woolf: https://youtu.be/G7ikeAJ2XEEMozart: https://youtu.be/VdCyShAEvusMichael Gordon: https://youtu.be/29XumzwpltcSchubert: https://youtu.be/TygUSrwFeoISchoenberg: https://youtu.be/b_lbGhXRrFgMendelssohn: https://youtu.be/ERCf_HFG8poDavid Lang: https://youtu.be/WTGtgvMQFm8Bizet: https://youtu.be/N9EmyBKsCYQBeethoven: https://youtu.be/8IMrZ7x0rLYVivaldi: https://youtu.be/GWZTyiMXulQ
>>25000598>>25000625To round off: some English operahttps://youtu.be/p1hUj82w29chttps://youtu.be/F54z2VUhXDchttps://youtu.be/kBcEkyowoQQ
>>25000647there are english opera references in picrel. you should all give it a read if you like classical music
>>25000859I'm sure they responded to market demands. Mozart belonged to a different period that just came out of the Baroque. You would expect him to be very close to Haydn.
>>25000859Beethoven was more of a humanist. Mozart wrote about individuals, classes, and the church. Beethoven wrote about the human condition. It's pretty easy to compare their mentality by their letters, for one thing being a secular composer in Mozart's time was like being a chef or a groundskeeper. By Beethoven'd time because of Romanticism the idea of the composer as a genius has caught up with the Renaissance idea of the poet or painter or sculpture or architect as genius. Mozart was a genius but he also wrote music at a time when it was not considered "serious art", music was the serious art as a fling was to a marriage, and so his music is less ponderous. Secular musicians were regarded as nothing more than entertainers, at the very most circus performers and acrobats. Haydn was blown away by Mozart though and could well see he was an immortal artistBeethoven did actually compose some outstanding music in Mozart's style. I wouldn't say his early music was romanticist at allhttps://youtu.be/Pj1nupHAzuQ
>>25000859Well Beethoven was literally suicidal because he was losing his hearing
>>25000859Mozart is okay, but I think his music generally is too “light and easy.” I would have liked him to be more stern and not so peppy.
>>25000647>>25000625>>25000598Thank you so much OP
>>25001138maybe you should give don giovanni a try
>>25001350Don Giovanni compared to, say Puccini, is musically pretty light for such a dark operaThere was a film adaptation btw where the recording was actually done in the sets because the director wanted the expressions to be authentic https://youtu.be/5K-p_Lr9mUQ
>>25001178Sure here are some more composers if you'd like to keep exploringBrahms: https://youtu.be/Nzo3atXtm54Jenkins: https://youtu.be/FKgpeVl7yXkRoyer: https://youtu.be/edvbjaNzNzcPurcell (you should recognize this from the opening to a Clockwork Orange): https://youtu.be/AYELAu9hqdUHaydn: https://youtu.be/Vbf27C56knMProkofiev: https://youtu.be/DkoKGA-30cYMachaut: https://youtu.be/YGIXkWfKCMcHandel: https://youtu.be/4gXi0V-hEMAStravinsky: https://youtu.be/ToYUCuUE9pkLiszt: https://youtu.be/uNi-_0kqpdEEinaudi: https://youtu.be/tUs3amW_JfoJoaquín Rodrigo: https://youtu.be/Et6cmagw_t4Dvorák: https://youtu.be/89jOPAGJq-MCouperin: https://youtu.be/BGRekSzSrjoArnalds: https://youtu.be/Aoh2hFXU8VMScarlatti: https://youtu.be/2-7_3Tt6e5gNyman: https://youtu.be/htK3W0AcjsgAlfyev (not to be confused with Bach's composition of the same name, although Alfyev is.professedly very inspired by Bach): https://youtu.be/qPn5cU32EgkMonteverdi: https://youtu.be/QrR1gYrjn_IRachmaninov: https://youtu.be/QmaUoCgtXoQMarco Rubino: https://youtu.be/zpssGztsjFYSchnittke: https://youtu.be/kddyo-BB7uU
>>24997149Righteous.
This is the most beautiful piece of music ever created IMO.
>>24997799Scriabin my beloved
>>25001686>Einaudi
>>25001775I honestly love that whole album.https://youtu.be/t8h_2GAlPr8
>>25000366Idk about that anon, you first have to learn a language to read it.
>>25002163Most people have basic understanding of the auditory language of music. They have an intrusive sense of rhythm and melody and music is composed on the idea that humans all have a common sense when a bite is being "pulled" toward another note, an unconscious sense of tonic, things like that. That listeners understand when the feeling is merry, mournful, reverent, celebrant, martial, and so on. Film composers especially work on the presumption that the audience has a basic grasp of musical language in the audio
>>25001719i will check it out anon. don't think i've heard him before
>>25001719Meh.
