Something that absolutely drives me up the wall is when people who speak from a place of ignorance repeatedly insist upon their own perspective as though it were equal in value to that of someone who has done the actual research on the topic at hand. >Hey, that's just my opinion, maaaaan.No, it fucking isn't. If the entire reasoning behind sharing your perspective on an extremely specific subject, which you know nothing about, is to let people know you think something: you are just an arrogant egotist. You want attention. If you had anything valuable to share, you would have already shown the clear signs of due diligence in the first place to avoid anyone potentially attacking you with basic logical criticisms. People, especially of my generation (zoomies) and onward need to put the fucking phones down and sit with themselves for a few months. Maybe do real research. Or just something as simple as self-reflection or meditation. The tone of condescension, most especially, which I get from such confidently braindead people makes me want to kindly take them to tea and have them drink napalm. How can you call yourselves human beings if you can't even read a picture book with fucking Kermit the Frog on the front cover? If things don't get better, I might just consider moving to a mission in the Amazon. I am absolutely sick of the belligerent and clearly weaponized arrogance in today's youth. I wouldn't doubt if it were some sort of social media psy-op to disenfranchise the future generations and make control much easier. Boy, I wonder if there are hundreds of already published works of literature regarding similar topics which have faced countless years of scrutiny...
>>24997725People don't normally bother to seek out underlying truths. All that matters for them is reinforcing their ego and/or the social repercussions of their beliefs. The deeper you go the more apparent this becomes>t. has spent several years studying comparative religion, esotericism, the bible etc., basically never encounter anyone who looks into it for any reason besides either reinforcing or denying shallow religious dogma which they already held anyway
>>24997741I agree completely with your post, and share identical frustrations and observations. However I disagree utterly with the premise laid forth in the image. Ignorance is not ontological unless you have an actual physiological handicap restricting your learning capabilities. The NPC meme is nothing but yet another scapegoat.
>>24997725The only way this could be a problem is if you're expected to save these people from themselves which is not reasonable. Let bad ideas play out and let the people be judged by cold reality.>>24997741>never encounter anyone who looks into it for any reason besides either reinforcing or denying shallow religious dogma which they already held anywayYou're reinforcing your own shallow dogma about other people instead of sincerely engaging with them.
>>24997753>The only way this could be a problem is if you're expected to save these people from themselves which is not reasonable.It may not be reasonable, and you may not believe a word of this, but I firmly believe it is the real reason I was put into this world. It is the ultimate goal of my entire life, and the sole purpose to which all the circumstances I have been faced with have lead me to understanding. It may not be fair, but it is God's very own expectation of me. In that sense, I am sure you can understand my frustration.>You're reinforcing your own shallow dogma about other people instead of sincerely engaging with them.He could just as easily live a life surrounded by poor circumstances which restrict his exposure to equally intelligent or understanding people.
>>24997749I want to believe that you're right. My experience suggests otherwise.>>24997753>You're reinforcing your own shallow dogma about other people instead of sincerely engaging with themThis is simply untrue. I know how ignorant most people are because I've attempted discussion only to find a dead end due to some dogmatic conviction or lack of knowledge time and time again.
>>24997772>I want to believe that you're right. My experience suggests otherwise.Just as drops of water are not the stream, but of the stream, so too is the capable man inseparable from mind. Anyone with the ability to learn can learn. The matter of personal impetus is another story, and could be linked to many things. If there is anything to take away from our exchange: I would say you definitely need to think less dualistically. I mean no insult by this.
>>24997782>Anyone with the ability to learn can learn. Ability is not everything. There also needs to be some underlying impulse that is capable of being activated. I'm willing to accept an intermediate position in which the presence of such an impulse (e.g. the will to seek out deeper truths) exists upon a spectrum without strongly defined categories.>I would say you definitely need to think less dualisticallyI fail to see the dualism to which you refer.
>>24997789Perhaps more self-reflection and study of the English language is necessary, as well.
>>24997763God is very clear and repeatedly punishes people for taking the role of the judge from Him like you're doing.>>24997772You give up when you find evidence that supports your preconception, which you'll always find eventually even if that doesn't paint an accurate picture on the whole. Like your own post contains evidence of dogmatic thinking but may still not paint an accurate picture of you on the whole.
>>24997792>you need to be less dualistic>>wdym?>just self-reflect bro, btw ur english sux :^)>>24997796>You give up when you find evidence that supports your preconceptionPlease tell me exactly what gave you this impression, and regarding what particular issue.
>>24997802>Please tell me exactly what gave you this impressionYour words.>I've attempted discussion only to find a dead end due to some dogmatic conviction or lack of knowledge time and time again.We've reached the dead end and of course it's entirely due to my dogmatic conviction or lack of knowledge and has nothing to do with your attitude.
>>24997796Let me give you an actual example of a fairly typical exchange regarding religion. I was speaking to a religious acquaintance of mine, it went something like this:>me: "i think sola scriptura is a flawed idea">>him: "yeah but what about revelation 22:19 "if anyone takes away from the words of this book god will take away from his share in the heaven"">"well that seems clearly to refer to specifically the book of revelations and not the entire biblical canon, which wasn't strictly defined or codified at the time of revelation's writing, so it doesn't really make sense to frame it that way">>"hmmm well that's wrong it meant the whole bible">*conversation ends and he starts talking about something else*And the guy in question was more serious about the subject matter than most. Yet he wouldn't even seriously consider this very reasonable point.
>>24997796>God is very clear and repeatedly punishes people for taking the role of the judge from Him like you're doing.You have completely misunderstood what I said. God gave me this purpose Himself. I don't mind if you don't agree, but I would appreciate if you don't put words in my mouth.
>>24997772It's your responsibility as a seeker of truth and a person with higher awareness to transmit the point in a way that would be understood and engaged with by the recipient. Most likely you're not attempting a discussion, but trying to force a mode of communication that's natural to you and unnatural to the opponent, in which you would be arguing one thing, and the opponent would be arguing the other, but trying to adapt his topic to the format of conversation you're forcing onto him.
>>24997802I hope you understand why I'm not entertaining this discussion with you any further. I didn't make jabs at you. I gave you advice, and instead of accepting that advice like a mature adult you insisted that my observations were inert - despite the visibly evident examples of what I mentioned in your own statements. I initially respected your seeming self-awareness and breadth of knowledge. I did not explain myself, because I respected your capacity for comprehension. The one jab I actually made was due to your own incapacity to accept mundane, inoffensive realities regarding your own perspective. My lack of conviction in placating you is not the tacit admission of immaturity you seem to think it is.
>>24997811Your point is reasonable and there's plenty of unreasonable dogma out there but I'm only given your interpretation of the interaction. If he really completely switched subjects he may have perceived it as too heated, another of a long list of options is he actually realized how bad his argument is.>>24997818I said it's not our job to protect people from judgement by cold reality. You said God gave you that job. I replied by pointing out that this is not consistent with the God I know from experience, history or the Bible. As a shepherd of men you would give people knowledge and options, that's it. Most will arrogantly tell you to fuck off, only a few of the seeds grow fruitful.
>>24997825>Most likely you're not attempting a discussion, but trying to force a mode of communication that's natural to you and unnatural to the opponent, in which you would be arguing one thingThis is, ironically, what you're doing with this reply.>>24997826>I gave you adviceUnsolicited, vague, pretentious advice, that is.This thread sucks. I'm gonna call it a night, boys.
>>24997725Bro I’m not reading allat
>>24997725Your shower thoughts are not /lit/-related
>>24997836>As a shepherd of men you would give people knowledge and options, that's it. Most will arrogantly tell you to fuck off, only a few of the seeds grow fruitful.Sounds familiar. I wonder why God would give someone that mission, kek...
>>24997859>>24997847>>24997837Just because I unintentionally hurt your feelings doesn't mean you suddenly have carte blanche to shit up the thread. Go somewhere else if you care to be so childish.
>>24997725>I wouldn't doubt if it were some sort of social media psy-op to disenfranchise the future generations and make control much easierI doubt you are an expert on this subject so kindly stay quiet, remove your thread or stand exposed as a sanctimonious, self-contradicting example of projection
>>24997741hyligs?? :DDDDD
>>24997951Why are you so personally upset, jogger? Fuck off, already. If you dislike me so much over such a minor disagreement, you don't have to keep coming back like a passive-aggressive teenage girl on her period.
Damn this thread, it started off beautifully - now pride runs rampant. Let’s walk back to a discussion on how to defend oneself and identify HYLICS
>>24997725>you are just an arrogant egotist.Yeah, and?
>>24997741https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKdfReE0qds&pp=0gcJCR4Bo7VqN5tD
>>24997725talking isn't made for high minded subjectswhat we got these books for. and you can't inject an entire book you've read into the mind of a person you are talking to so they can understand what you are saying.
>>24997796>T. Quaker worm >I SAID YOU ARE GODS
>>24999278Hylics could be here…
>>24997861This is a literature board. Remind me which bit of literature your OP is referring to again?
>>24997725Kek, the Greeks had to deal with this. But your critique is fair.
>>24997763>firmly believe it is the real reason I was put into this world. Be careful about this anon. What exactly are you 'saving' people from?
>>24999278>pride runs rampant>hylicsIronic
>>24997725It boils down to advertising (well... and surveillance, and propaganda) my dude.The fundamental problem, is that people regard social media, as a valid venue to communicate information, and to collect information. What makes it complicated, and almost worse in a way, is that sometimes it is.Ideally, the purpose of communication (unless you are a demon) is to share information, that others can employ in subsequent considerations, to the net benefit of the species.Any communications conducted on social media, are "net-benefit negated", by the fact, that there are actors in the space, incentivized by personal profit, over the net benefit of the species.Since social media 'financializes' interpersonal communication, it is governed by algorithms that incentivize people to blast bullshit, lies, half-truths, fake research, etc, because the metric dictating the success of a communication is not the usefulness of the information, the timeliness, the trust-worthiness, or the the net good of humanity. The metric dictating the success of a communication, it is how much profit can be made from the communication.The overarching metric that dictates the success of a communication, is how much advertising (not even the effectiveness of the advertising, just how much.) the communication can be utilized to convey to the recipient of the information being communicated.Once you factor in businesses, nation-state propaganda, special interest groups, and individuals representing these groups, indistinguishable from individuals trying to collect, process, package, and convey information for the net benefit of Humanity, all acting as advertisers, you have almost fully negated the original reason monkeys and Neandrathals started using specific sounding grunts to represent specific ideas.It's been fucking tragic to watch it unfold.My only advice to your generation is build your own systems to communicate with each other outside of corporate contexts. Then, and this is most important part: don't take the big check they offer you to sell out your peers, by selling your platform.
>>24997725Those kids are too darn loud too!
>>25000795It is indeed difficult to watch it unfold. Godspeed, anon. You're right on the money.
>>25000310My OP directly addresses the concepts of study, research, and comprehension. You're just persistently upset and keep returning to the thread to make passive-aggressive passes at me. Hilariously, someone has been doing this to a thread I have on another board for about four straight days now. He just keeps coming back and posting essays worth of replies, saying the same few things on repeat. As another anon so cohesively outlined, that one is clearly some kind of agenda-pushing freak or rogue mentally ill agent of a special interest group being manipulated on another service like Discord, weaponized as a tool for propelling certain sentiments. I don't think the same of you. I hope not, at least. You seem like a fine individual who just got stung by a poor interaction. Also, I don't think I'm "saving" anyone from anything. What I intended to get across was that I believe it is my purpose to guide people passively towards a better way of living and thinking. I don't think I can do much otherwise, and if I'm meant to: we're all out of luck.
>>24997725Autopoietic Closure ; Hermeneutical Insulation.De-Individualized Subjects that communicate their closure and insularity to "others".
>>24997725My question would be who is doing this to you? And if you can name them why do you insist on putting yourself in constant company of people who make you miserable? Maybe a bit of epistemic humility is called for if you cannot properly moderate your surroundings, they are individuals finding their way through the world just like you. I stopped speaking to most people a few years ago and have kept consistent company with animals, maybe companions that do not speak would better suit you as well.
"The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias where people with low ability in a specific area overestimate their skills, often because they lack the knowledge to recognize their own incompetence."
