Booked a flight to China yet?

>>25002638
No he's just a tweaker who writes world salad nonsense.

>>25002658
and yet he is wise enough to see neo-china as a neoreactionary current, a future that has already been decided

>>25002658
>word salad nonsense
It makes absolute sense if you have read continental philosophy from Kant onwards - and it's actually a great, good and fertile way of writing philosophy, which is also problematized in his "After the Law" paper, when he talks about philosophy as an explorative practice and criticises it's resorting to legalistic logic. For him, philosophy is meant to expand the field of the unknown, rather than to settle discussions about the truth. In my opinion, this is an interesting way of seeing philosophy, and changing the psychological "pole" from which you do philosophical inquiry (i.e. discover more of what i do not know v. learning new truths) makes absolute sense for me. It also shakes philosophy out of academic circlejerking writing, and, despite his language, he doesn't even rely on technical terms as much as anylitic philosophers or other theorists do.
The fact that /lit/ (and the internet in general) seems to think Land is a meme philosopher only testifies to the fact that the engagement with canon philosophy is at low at the moment. If you have read Kant, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Heidegger, Deleuze&Guattari (i.e. what ANY serious philosophy student should read during a proper BA), then Land will not only be entirely intelligible, but a smart and genuinely interesting thinker. The problem is that most of you are not reading - you do BAs in Philosophy and Literature and you don't read the fundamental texts anymore, and this stunts forever your ability to recognize anything good/interesting in the contemporary landscape.
This is also true for literature by the way. If you look at our top 100, the "elitist" reader board is forever stuck into trying to get through the canon and never seems to somehow climb upon it to check out what's going on in the current world. It could also be that people who read a lot just stop posting because it starts to feel overwhelming to deal with so many 20 year olds who have yet to build a solid foundation in philosophy or literature and nonetheless feel entitled to the stupidest, most shallow opinions ever.

>>25002784
Unfortunately true. I find better philosophical discussions on X these days than anything here. If you consider Land a "hack" you are just uninterested in thinking.

>>25002638
his version of history is proving prescient, as opposed to hegel and marx. is that a valid way of regarding this absolute unit? he block me on twitter

>>25003155
>I find better philosophical discussions on X these days than anything here
I actually tried doing X for eight months because I fell for it, where is this "better philosophical discussion" there, all I ever encounter are people with Marcus Aurelius profile pic calling Pierre Hadot a jew

>>25003193
and he was enlighted

>>25002638
I thought he had disappeared in China years ago?

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>>25002638
yes

>>25003155
>philosophy: the love of wisdom
>X
Huh?

tired of pretending that schizobabble contains any meaning at all

coldness be my wang

>>25003193
>>25003269
Partisan. Mikka. Cal Crucis. Avelum. Sphinx. Pavementangel. Hole. Logo Daedalus. Nonchalantly. Dr Calliounes. Thomas Murphy. Miltonappl3. Nanga. Tatianalarina17. fleur inverse. etc

>>25002784
Pseud post of the day goes to this cock chugging faggot.

>>25002638
Any anons here more familiar with his recent work?
I have been deliberately avoiding reading any Land past FN and CCRU writings, lest my image of him is permanently tarnished, but I was pleasantly surprised by Cold Anarchy.
>>25002784
Every Land thread is inevitably infested by people with very strong opinions on him despite never having read him or any of his influences.

>>25003299
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/19645404#p19645468
It's truly over for bookchuds. Everyone has gone and only the mentally ill have left.

>>25002784
> This is also true for literature by the way. If you look at our top 100, the "elitist" reader board is forever stuck into trying to get through the canon and never seems to somehow climb upon it to check out what's going on in the current world.

I can appreciate your frustration, and what you say is very true. What we have on /lit/ mostly consists of Donald/polchuds that are illiterate + endlessly enamored with the same introductory texts, and center-left boot lickers who only have a place in academia because they’ve developed a boot-leather palate to the point of being veritable sommeliers.

Both of these groups are fundamentally very conservative (in the only sense that word means anything), as all “crowds” are.

If you want to introduce something new, repetition -> familiarity is the only path. You’ll need to post a few threads about it before it before it is accepted as something familiar/non-innovative, and thus worthy of discussion.

>>25003412
Land threads will never be accepted here. Go be a pseud on X.

>>25003472
Low openness is the only personality trait strongly correlated with low IQ.

>>25002784
>>25003412
Recommend me literature from 2025 good enough that it deserves to be on the list of top 100 books ever written. I'll wait.

>>25002638
yeah now that i understand him better i do think he is right about most things

reading and understanding bataille helps a lot, the book he wrote on bataille is amazing.

I like his "baked in hell" essay.

I was listening to a Putnam lecture about american pragmatism and he claimd that either Dewey or James defined truth as "the coercion exercised by reality over ideas". Of course the pragmatists were american liberals, so they thought that reality inevitably coerced ideas towards liberal hegelianism. DAE think this idea "the coercion over ideas exercised by reality" is sort of what Land is on about? (Reality = capitalism, darwinism, & hobbesianism)

>>25002639
No, their culture is dogshit, and I believe they have never really stopped eating each other.

>>25003412
>introduce something new, repetition -> familiarity is the only path
They tried with guenon, 'esoteric' kant, evolafags, BAPtards.

Its over.

>>25003534
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.

>>25003537
we won't know for another 30 years probably. It takes time for the rubble to be cleared so that the box of jewelry can be found.

>>25002638
He's a technocratic bugman. He deserves to be shot and his corpse thrown in a ditch along with every one of these anti human self absorbed tech fags like Thiel, and Yarvin.

>>25003652
you're brown.

>>25003652
>I can only think in terms of politics
Bugman.

>>25003667
I didn't mention politics in my post you seething illiterate. Technocracy is a modern day religion that advocates for the replacement of humans with machines and its adherents are mostly ultra wealthy, out of touch ugly nerds who should've been bullied to death in high school.

>>25002784
>For him, philosophy is meant to expand the field of the unknown, rather than to settle discussions about the truth. In my opinion, this is an interesting way of seeing philosophy, and changing the psychological "pole" from which you do philosophical inquiry (i.e. discover more of what i do not know v. learning new truths) makes absolute sense for me.
that's a dumb opinion. philosophy doesn't have value purely because it's novel
>>25003664
you're a cracker, statistically the gayest and most liberal race

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Even Land acknowledges that his decade-long preoccupation with bitcoin was misplaced

>>25003761
I'm embarrassingly ignorant when it comes to cryptocurrency. What exactly was it supposed to hedge against?

>>25003607
>you’re an idiot
>no, (quote from promotional material selling paintable dolls to adult men)!

How will I recover from this?

>>25003777
>How will I recover from this?
You can't.

>>25002638
>talmudic buddies artificially produce the political brigata in the present administration
holy kek guys he was right!!!!!

I find Land interesting and kind of dig him, but i don't know if he was right about everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=846JNIM_4MQ

what the fuck is he going on about?

>>25004055
He just slammed .5g of ice right into his vein. Please understand.

>>25004083
whole thing was so painful to listen. the two guys are literal tools, land just babbling whatever bullshit came to his head.
>vhs or whatever retroslop filter on top
yeah very "futurist" vibe fuckheads

>>25003736
>philosophy doesn't have value purely because it's novel
That's not what he said, nor what Land says in his essay, which you did not read

>>25004055
Are you guys for real when you say that you don't understand this level of philosophical discussion? I am asking seriously. Does this sound unintelligible to you?

>>25003767
Fluctuations in the stock and bond market. It was supposed to be a digital version of gold. Instead it tends to follow bond movements and has high volatility.

>>25004161
>That's not what he said
>discover more of what i do not know
pray tell what else "what i do not know" could mean if not "new knowledge, that is good purely because it is new"
>nor what Land says in his essay, which you did not read
yeah for some reason i'm not jumping at the bit to read "theory-fictions", whatever the fuck they are

>>25004055
I will be honest I’m kind of disappointed in his answer on the emotions/embodiment bit.

It should be obvious that emotions represent a fundamental difference between orgo-computation and logic gate computing.

Emotions/hormones state change all “logic gates” in the system, and that isn’t just limited to emotions but glial cells or whatever do this also, there are a lot of modifier cells in the brain that have this function and which make human brain function hard to approximate at a base level. He should know this.

In fact I think the problem here is not enough intravenous adderall in the video, not too much.

>>25004055
>>25004172
>uhmmm
>uhhhh
>*long pregnant pause in the middle of a sentence*
this guy is senile

>>25004193
>i'm not jumping at the bit to read "theory-fictions", whatever the fuck they are
Come back when you have something relevant to say about the topic in question, then

>>25004223
the post i was replying to said;
>For him, philosophy is meant to expand the field of the unknown, rather than to settle discussions about the truth. In my opinion, this is an interesting way of seeing philosophy, and changing the psychological "pole" from which you do philosophical inquiry (i.e. discover more of what i do not know v. learning new truths) makes absolute sense for me.
that is the topic now, as far as i'm concerned. i'm not going to let people say ridiculous things and get away with it just because it's what some published gerontocrat thinks

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I never get tire of seeing Landians being shit on by /lit/ and their impotent screeches of "BUT YOU DIDN'T ACTUALLY READ HIS SCHIZOBABBLE" as the they wipe the fecal matter from their faces.

>>25004230
you're really mean

>>25004230
Anyone accusing anyone else on /lit/ of not having read something and speaking out of their asses is right though.
Except when they say it to me. I have a doctorate and I have published several books.

>>25002784
>>25003397
>>25003412
Land occupies an unfortunate position in academia/culture. The pre-requisite reading needed for him (Marx, D&G, Bataille at a minimum) filters right-leaning /lit/ that would be more open to his thought, but his controversial thought filters left-leaning milieus equipped with the background for reading him.

>>25004230
but we keep winning?
every year we're proven right more than the year that preceded

>WE WILL ALL BECOME GAY CYBORGS ENSLAVED BY IMMORTAL TECHNOCRATS OR HOWEVER THE RAZOR GIRL IS CONSTRUCTED
People who take this clown seriously should be shot.

>>25002658
filtered

>>25004318
Any serious right winger shoukd be reading Marx, Drain Gang and Bataille desy

>>25003412
You paint a picture which is far rosier than the reality. Spengler for example has made it past your filter… and what is actually discussed in his threads? “Faustian spirit”. “The new Caesar.” All the most boring basic ideas for political Morons. In the first three chapters, even if you didn’t get through anything more than a few hours of reading, ideas like his stuff on mathematics/how everything is culture are never discussed. This chapter alone had me lost in thought for no less than two weeks every time I was stopped at a traffic light. Not once have I seen this brought up.

It is an agnostic IQ issue. Social psychology does not come into it. It doesn’t matter what the politics are of the reader, the reader is an idiot.

>>25004546
>ideas like his stuff on mathematics/how everything is culture
No one cares about that gay nerd shit.

>>25004539
Unnecessary, the number of Marxists in the entirety of the West who've read TWoN is lower than the number of Marxist economists in tenured positions, despite it being an indispensable prereq for Kapital. (To be fair adding the number of chic school economists would not raise this number much higher.)

>>25002784
>i.e. discover more of what i do not know v. learning new truths
Huh

>>25004519
Proven right about what, exactly?

>>25004623
gay military-industrail techno-capitalistic favela world order

Marxoid moralism makes it the actual counter-reactionary luddite force, which even Lenin ultimately succumbed to despite token paroxysms of arbitrary violence-- contemporary left-accelerationists are one and all cowards cleaving to the same higher order Infantile Leftism for surreptitious spooked filled priors, and the dialectical gymnastic lengths these theorycels go to to shrink away from the ugly truths of the matter and bare necessity at play will only grow more comical with time.

>>25004775
Get back to sucking liberalism dick. You have nothing more to bitch about.

>>25002658
its not even dense and im a fucking moron

>>25004775
based knower

he tries way too hard to be quotable

>>25002638
Is this the guy who said goths will hijack the lovecraftian cybermancer egregore after it completely deterritorialized the earth in the name of capitalism?

>>25005159
All he says is retarded nonsense.

>>25002638
I tried reading him but I don't quite known if I fully understand. He circumvents the Is/Ought problem by making optimizing functionality (as in, efficiency, intelligence, what enables further living, I do not know how to explain it) the principal goal of existence, is that right?

>>25005159
>>25005195
Seems extremely basic bitch shit. If we can't agree on basic facts like these there's no communication possible.

>>25004775
Land prescribes nothing, as that would entail that there is still some degree of freedom left on the part of man to influence where we are headed. We are long past that event horizon, we have been for centuries.
The story goes like this: Earth is captured by a techno-capital singularity…

>>25005266
Oh that makes sense actually. Of course he is not prescribing anything, things just trend toward the increase of intelligence because that is the most efficient way of expanding its capabilities and survive further.

>>25004756
My dad has predicted the exact same thing for 30 years but he likes drinking beer and has never heard of Nick Land.

>>25004756
Okay, but Land thought that was a good thing, or at least something inevitable that should be accelerated towards so we all get cannibalized by machines

>>25002638
Xenosystems is the defining political text of the Twenty-First Century, it's amazing how much he was able to anticipate.

>>25004318
>>25004539
The best left-wingers are willing to engage with right-wing thought, and the best right-wingers are willing to engage with left-wing thought. The idea that you need to isolate yourself from anything by the other side is utterly childish and leads to stunted views incapable of responding to their opponents. Even Land himself identifies with what he calls "Right-Wing Marxism"

>>25003397
The Dark Enlightenment is good but only if you already agree with the reactionary perspective, otherwise it probably won't convince you. The parts most in-line with his early work are Chapters 4e and 4f, which might honestly be the best place to start if you're already familiar with him. Xenosystems, by contrast, is a gem and warrants reading cover-to-cover.

>looking up for Land audiobooks
>they all have tryhard AI voices
thsi shits for 12 year olds right

Making an unironic Land thread should be a range bannable offense