first for Reverend Insanity

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Second for the greatest (web)novel and greatest protagonist ever.

>>25003258
>>25003245
the recent silence regarding the chinkfestation has emboldened them

Is reverend insanity worth reading? I hate the idea of starting a story that I will never finish.

>>25003304
Yes.

>>25003281
/wng/ is healing, harmful western and japanese gooner influences are being slowly eliminated from this general and western weblit as a whole.
Cultivation and the pursuit of eternal life will take on the right path.

Let's say you're writing heterosexual FeMC and implicitly pretending to be a female author so it's not weird. Can your FeMC stare at another girl's tits without it being weird?

>>25003364
Yea I think women are often envious of others women's assets.

>>25003364
How would we know the answer to that? Go to r romantasy and ask female readers about it.

>>25003378
that sounds like a cesspit of male readers pretending to be female, no thanks

>>25003379
That's because most of them are actual genuine females who provide genuine female views and opinions.

>>25003389
You have eyes yet you cannot see dick

>>25003389
Are you saying that at the end of the day, male and female readers aren't so different?

>>25003406
At the end of the day, feminised estrogen soaked goonbrains aren't so different from female readers.

>>25003364
>heterosexual FeMC
Gross. Make her gay

>>25003415
She is slightly homophobic (though she never speaks of it), but generally aromantic (romance is too hard to write)

>>25003418
Lame

You retards ask the dumbest shit.
It's been explained multiple times if you're writing for RR avoid Romance and if you do do it the LI is female.
This is regardless of MC or FemC.

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>>25003415
girl's love is just too small a niché. Better to make the protagonist an air head too retarded to notice people making a pass at her.

>>25003235
they still rewriting this one

>>25003425
>people making a pass at her.
Just don't write that at all.

>>25003431
Queer baiting works.

>>25003425
this was funny until it wasn't

>>25003437
For people who actually want queer content lmao
Royalroad is rabidly anti-romance. Queer baiting will just annoy both sides

>>25003425
So what big stories do it like this? If you're basing your story on "what's popular"?
Either there's almost pointedly no romance or references to it at all, or they commit

>>25003448
It's not that their anti-romance itself.
The westoid in them hates unrealistic romance as seen in eastern works where the MC just acquires LIs effortlessly or things go too perfectly between a couple.
The power fantasy fag in them hates realistic romance depictions because MC faces setbacks or uncertainty.
It's a paradox you can't beat so don't even try.

RR's anti-romance stance is retarded and self-defeating. Fat-bosomed women are core to manga, so they should be core to web novels too. Fat titties and tight waists suggest an atmosphere pungent with sex that dumbass RR readers try to wave off. Make no sense.

>>25003304
The first arc is really good and self-contained enough that I didn't feel particularly miffed about dropping it later.

>>25003437
How about you just 'bait' straight people with adventure and interesting plot?

>>25003459
I think there's some truth to this, but I think it more has to do that amateur numberslop writers create truly abysmal romances that are actively repulsive/embarrassing to read. So people have been stung and have knee-jerk reactions to the romance tag on RR.
I honestly believe a well done romance integrated into a progression fantasy would do well. Yerin/Lindon in Cradle is quite popular, though obviously it's very very light on romance. But it proves that the element as a whole isn't what people in that niche despise

>>25003459
>The power fantasy fag in them hates realistic romance depictions because
>MC faces setbacks or uncertainty
That is not why power fantasy readers hate romance.

>>25003462
>Fat-bosomed women are core to manga, so they should be core to web novels too.
Royalroad/western web novels really are not connected to manga despite what so many people insist here. If you're writing animeshit style stuff, you need to go to webnovel.com.

>>25003471
>Yerin/Lindon
Honestly the first example that came to my mind, although Yerin spends most of her time being a foil to Lindon and really representing cultivator roots only be overshadowed by the fact everyone else in her world is also a bloodthirsty psychopath.
I think her eventually showing a softer side towards Lindon after constantly having her guard up was just a very natural progression to her character.
but will wight spent a long time building up their chemistry what she doesn't actually show interest untill about ghost waster? maybe.
will most kept the story focused on progression, power, fights and adventure.

for me, it's dongfang changfan

>>25003476
The facts say otherwise.

>>25003493
Not at all. Go down a list of the most popular.

Beware Of Chicken
> Heavily westernized xianxia that explicitly parodies it and has a Canadian protag who goes around supporting western ideals, brings Christmas to xianxia land, etc (lmao)
Super Supportive
> Cape shit, zero eastern influence
The Primal Hunter
> Westernized LitRPG - What do you consider Eastern about this?
Mother of Learning
> Straight up a trad fantasy novel with a timeloop gimmick
He Who Fights With Monsters
> An isekai - but with none of the traditional Eastern tropes
New Life As A Max Level Archmage
> This one is the most Japanese-style I can think of, but has an asexual female protag with no romance and no waifus... not exactly what you imagine when you think of a japanese isekai
The Runesmith
> Actually don't know much about this one
Azarinth Healer
> Numberslop western litrpg grind
Zenith of Sorcery
> Another trad fantasy novel
Delve
> Number autism incarnate, where are the Japanese tropes besides it being an isekai? I don't think arriving in another world is enough to qualify it as manga-adjacent, that's just a staple trope across all cultures and the origin goes back forever
The Legend of William Oh (Stubbing Feb. 10th)
> Western LitRPG, don't know much about it
Sky Pride
> Another good candidate for being heavily influenced by Chinese stories since it's xianxia, but from what I hear it's very Westernized and lacks a lot of the expected tropes
The Perfect Run
> Superhero timelooping, zero eastern influence

More than half have zero Eastern influence at all. The few that do have obvious roots in another culture's media (being xianxia or MLA) are in the minority and still forgo most of the major defining tropes you would usually see. Foremost being lots of big-booby waifus and harems. The audience is clearly not the same as those who read manga, else they would slurp that shit up, no? It's very basic logic

Why are some of you so desperate to convince others that Royalroad is something that it isn't? Is it because you're writing mangashit and think rewriting reality in this thread will somehow make the site more receptive to your upcoming story? Come now.

This is also falsely equating royalroad to the general western web novel scene. Many of the biggest stories (Worm, APGTE, TWI) don't exist on RoyalRoad.

>>25003536
>(Worm, APGTE, TWI)
All of these are even more blatantly non-eastern than the RR stuff though maybe that's your point

>>25003524
RR stages competitions with Manga companies. Most of the book covers have strong anime influence. There's also a subterrene pipeline from web-novel writing to manga writing. The connection is everywhere you look.

>>25003543
>RR stages competitions with Manga companies
source?
>Most of the book covers have strong anime influence
some do some don't, it's mostly because it's so common among ai generators.
The contents of the writing aren't very eastern.
>There's also a subterrene pipeline from web-novel writing to manga writing
????

>>25003542
I didn't exactly have a point per se with that, but yes, royalroad is the most easternized section of the western scene, but it's still pretty detached from mangashit.

>>25003543
>RR stages competitions with Manga companies.
Uh, which? I don't remember that. Even if they do, that doesn't say anything about the content of the popular stories on RR. Royalroad is just a hosting website, it doesn't matter what competitions they hold if their popular stories aren't mangashit
>Most of the book covers have strong anime influence.
That's because AI image generation models have a strong anime influence lol. Once again this has nothing to do with the content of the stories themselves (the topic)
>There's also a subterrene pipeline from web-novel writing to manga writing.
What? What are you smoking? The pipeline on RR is to book publishing on amazon. Nobody on RR is transitioning into manga writing, am I misunderstanding you?
>The connection is everywhere you look.
Maybe if you're schizophrenic, man.

Look dude, if you think you have a point, answer the question: Why do most of the big stories on RR have zero to slight eastern influence at most? I even went down the list to point it out to you, and you ignored me.
Why do you even care? You're the xianxia MTL reader right? What's it matter that the western scene is different from the eastern one?

>>25003557
>I didn't exactly have a point per se with that, but yes, royalroad is the most easternized section of the western scene
scribble hub is just stories too lewd for RR

Whenever you see RR books get on Amazon they almost always get a commissioned westernized cover even if their RR cover was ai anime.

>>25003564
Yes, I know. Why... did you point that out?

I see stupidity reigns at these hours.

>>25003575
It's just RItard like usual

This guy obviously doesn't even go on royalroad, he's just baiting

>>25003576
Ri is the soul of /wng/

>>25003569
If you used your brain, it would be obvious why that is

Told you

It takes a certain smoothness of the brain to enjoy RI, no wonder he's like this

tina is the one spamming "sex sells" and shit

>>25003606
that is not tina. his voice is so obvious, how do you guys mislabel him (in both directions) so often

RIchad must be an information or wisdom path master. Just by reading his posts, his will has infiltrated your brain, and now lives there freely...

>>25003612
If a post is useless meandering and not worth reading, it's a Tinapost even if Tina didn't make it.

>>25003615
It's just kind of embarrassing how he tries to argue points he clearly believes in but fails to make a slightly coherent argument every time

>>25003612
you fucked up, Tina
>>25002454
shouldn't have said your personality 2 catchphrase in the voice of personality 1

>>25003625
I hope to god you're just RI tard too

>>25003632
you're going to have to try harder than that, tina

>>25003624
Can you provide an example of this?

>>25003640
Yeah scroll up

>>25003643
Any specific post?

>>25003655
Only way you're getting another serious response out of me is if you reply to the two separate posts by two different anons that called out your completely nonsensical response sentence by sentence

>>25003662
Which post?

>>25003685
I was going to say you're either a moron or baiting, but it's definitely both

and here we have reached the final stage of schizophrenia, in which the schizo in question will proceed to shit up the general with vague accusations of samefagging for the rest of time

Let's go back to talking about lesbians

If I want to write the novel equivalent of shounen battle slop is this the place for me?

I'm 20%? through Necroepilogos. I'm past the point where they interact with Serin about eating the corpses and the Pira fight with Elpida. I appreciate the time taken to distinguish each party member although I still believe too many were thrown at you at once; I understand it for the sake of MC's background commanding others. My favorite is Kagami because she's the honest "what the fuck is going on?" lens through her contempt and ongoing incredulation. I don't care for Amina. I saw another serial killer-reined-back in one of the side characters of Infinite Realm, who later became the waifu of one of the MCs lol - I think Amina is a red herring for betrayal. I bet Pira is hot. I'm looking forward to the plot resolution of whatever will happen once they reach the """"combat frame"""" and once they're no longer handicapped from basic fatigue and weakness.

>>25003697
Sort of. Shounen battle slop has younger character and themes of "with the power of friendship!" that aren't nearly as dominant in litrpg actionslop

>>25003697
>>25003703
Shounen battle slop is dead. Shounen as a genre is dead.

>>25003709
Good thing shounen isn't a genre you dunce

>>25003715
sho·nen
/ˈSHōnen,ˈSHōnən/
noun
noun: shounen
a genre of Japanese comics and animated films aimed primarily at a young male audience, typically characterized by action-filled plots

>>25003715
This is nearly as retarded as saying fantasy isn't a genre
I'm sure there's a point you have buried in that moronic statement, like how 'fantasy' can encompass way too much to be a useful term when talking about a story's specific content, but coming out swinging like that make you look really stupid

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>>25003697
Yes I highly suggest reading

>>25003625
WTH is this

>>25003730
That's not a web novel

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>>25003717
>>25003720
>Shounen (少年), meaning "boy" or "youth," refers to a demographic category in Japanese manga and anime primarily aimed at young adolescent males, characterized by action, adventure, strong friendships, overcoming challenges, and a motivated young male protagonist striving for a dream,

The problem with regarding shounen as a genre is the fact they can be radically different...well genres.

>>25003733
You're right, it's not. But it's very relevant to what that anon was asking about I would argue unsouled is simply a shounen battle story in the trappings of a cultivation saga told by a western writer so the viciousness of some characters (mainly the protagonist) is toned down.
It fits perfectly into the progression fantasy he'd find himself writning about.

>>25003735
>The problem with regarding shounen as a genre is the fact they can be radically different...well genres.
So can fantasy and most other huge umbrella terms like that. Genres are just categories of fiction.
Like... we even have a very close equivalent. "Young Adult Fiction". That's obviously a genre, and so is Shonen. Japan just further splits that up into boys and girls Young Adult

>>25003742
>But it's very relevant to what that anon was asking about
He was asking if he belonged in the web novel thread
You provided published fiction that was never serialized as proof yes
Cradle is webfiction-adjacent by merit of being xianxia, but you really should have provided web novels that fit the vibe of shonen slop, no?

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This general is already giving major autism vibes, and I respect it.

>>25003758
we have like 5 resident schizos here, leave while you can

>>25003762
we could tell noofagz to ask tina when they ask stupid shit

>>25003775
not every newfag is annoying though, just many of them. nothing wrong with this one's question
and really, many if not all regulars are annoying too

>>25003524
Are we not including Ave Xia because it doesn't fit the agenda?

>>25003791
I went 1:1 down the list of most followed stories. Ave Xia isn't even in the top 40, it has 12k followers.
If I was trying to fit an agenda I would've trimmed MLA, Sky Pride, and BOC from the discourse, don't you think?

No thanks

Back to the drawing board.

>>25003235
The very special girl of special girlness

>>25004008
>The very special girl of special girlness
Peak. Recs for this feel?

>>25003431
being desired by anyone and everyone is an important part of the self insert fantasy in otome isekai THOUGH

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>>25003448
>Royalroad is rabidly anti-romance.
And yet Taste of Magic has a strong romance aspect and all the commenters have only positive things to say about it, even though the main character canonically has her first period within weeks of falling in love with and dating an older nobleman (though they have memories of their past lives and years of platonic friendship from that).

>Obvious general demographic statement
>Aha, but what about exception?
It's so tiring

>>25003456
>So what big stories do it like this?
The one (originally a webnovel) in the image you're replying to. https://www.novelupdates.com/series/i-reincarnated-into-an-otome-game-as-a-villainess-with-only-destruction-flags/

>>25003536
>APGTE
actually this one did release on RR as a like a PR move. stubbed a month or two later to go on kindle.

>>25003697
Yes but it has to be kirito or solo leveling slop, not friendslop

>>25004020
read >>25003425

>>25004050
I'm assuming that's the guy from last thread talking about this, and I think he said he was going to post to RR, so non-RR examples aren't really relevant.

>>25004031
>otome isekai
What does that mean

>>25004092
read more retard

>>25004092
maiden different world

>>25004092
Basically means whatever is on book tok and modern anime

>>25004047
>the general trend is X
>THEREFORE YOU SHOULD AVOID DOING X LIKE THE PLAGUE
ecological fallacy
That X is a minority in a population does not imply anything in particular about the relative success rate of doing X. Especially when X is Romance, which is just one small aspect of a story/genre.

And really, you didn't comment about "general trends", you said
>Royalroad is rabidly anti-romance
Which is just wrong.

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>>25004092
otome game = female-targeted japanese genre of usually visual novels or strategy/raising sims where the main character can romance a selection of rich and handsome young men.

otome isekai = "I was reincarnated inside an otome game" novels. it's actually quite a big trend.

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I don't know why I'm still fucking with this, I have no foundation to work off of besides a dumb gimmick and not nearly enough time to actually build it up into a suitable submission for the rr mag contest

>>25004099
>THEREFORE YOU SHOULD AVOID DOING X LIKE THE PLAGUE
I didn't say this, nor remotely imply it. Stop making shit up to get mad about.
I said queer baiting will turn away ((most, I'll be specific for you, pedant anon)) Royalroad readers because it doesn't appeal to either side. Which is true. If he wants to write that shit anyways, go for it.

>And really, you didn't comment about "general trends", you said
>Royalroad is rabidly anti-romance
>Which is just wrong.
Any broad statement like that is clearly a generalization. Nobody rational would assume I meant every single of the 100,000+ readers on royalroad hate romance. There is obviously a minority demographic that enjoys romance. But the major one of royalroad is anti-romance. And that is blatantly true.

How can you tell if a story was written with AI?

>>25004124
You don't.

>>25004121
When someone totalizes your statement to 'gotcha' prove you wrong (strawman), you can just call them autistic and illiterate.
You're right anyway. I wrote a good, tame romance sub-plot into my fantasy story and I had previously nice commenters eventually come out and complain about it, saying they found her (the romantic interest side character) annoying when she's just a minor part of the story.

Part of it is that haters breed more haters, and part of it is that RR readers are genuinely low-quality readers. They cannot understand character development, they cannot understand subtext, they cannot understand anything not made completely explicit (like the numbers 'tism in litrpg).

That said Amazon is where the real money is, so the point is the pipeline. RR to build readerbase, patreon to monetize until you have enough for Amazon, and then you direct your biggest fans to amazon to rate you up and get you noticed in the AMAZON rankings. The readers on amazon are significantly better readers than those on RR.

>>25004124
Mess around with AI, learn its tells, and educate yourself.

>>25004124
You can only tell the obvious ones these days, or the ones generated with no involvement from a human at all.

>>25004124
Other than the blatant em dash ones or the constant "this not that" and nonsensical metaphors you can't really. At least for short stories.
For web novels inconsistencies arise over many chapters because of the memory limitation.

>>25003758
i have autism however it is the bad kind of autism

>>25004124
Is it following a trend?
If it is, then AI.

>>25004168
What about the one that sets the trend?

>>25004121
>if you're writing for RR avoid Romance
- anonymous 4chan
>I didn't say that
- anonymous 4chan, a few posts later

>>25004121
>Any broad statement like that is clearly a generalization. Nobody rational would assume I meant every single of the 100,000+ readers on royalroad hate romance. There is obviously a minority demographic that enjoys romance. But the major one of royalroad is anti-romance.
Readers might be anti romance however the coombrain authors are not, that in itself is part of a much bigger problem which is that rr authors are have no real writing skills and are garbage writers.

>>25004198
If your goal is to target the major demographic then you should target the major demographic. Yes.
That is not a blanket decree of
>THEREFORE YOU SHOULD AVOID DOING X LIKE THE PLAGUE

Keep twisting words around you slimy cunt

>>25004207
Hmm, that's strange. The original post seems to say
>if you're writing for RR avoid Romance
and not
>If your goal is to target the major demographic then you should target the major demographic
This must be one of those Mandela effect things.

>>25004210
What do you think "Writing for RR" means in this context? Is this just your autism acting up?

People need to either embrace anonymity and let their posts stand on their own, or reject it entirely and name/tripfag.
>I didn't say that
The problem with that reply is the "I." Nobody fucking cares. Your post should stand on its own. If someone misinterprets it, insult them and move on.

>>25004217
>If someone misinterprets it, insult them and move on.
If someone miscommunicates their point, the problem is not the person who misinterprets it.

>>25004216
Maybe my monitor is malfunctioning, but
>if you're writing for RR
and
>if your goal is to target the major demographic
seem to use different words that mean different things and convey a different message.

Almost as if one of the two deliberately attempts to rule out a significant portion of the users of Royal Road and portray the majority opinion as the only opinion, despite not actually proving that this opinion is in fact the majority.

>>25004226
>introducing a new hypothetical to try to be right
Okay

>>25004238
No, this is your autism acting up. Writing for RR = Writing for RR's major demographic. Who the fuck would ever say "I'm targeting the RR audience" and mean "I'm targeting a minority audience in RR"?
>Almost as if one of the two deliberately attempts to rule out a significant portion of the users of Royal Road and portray the majority opinion as the only opinion, despite not actually proving that this opinion is in fact the majority.
You are literally schizophrenic lmao

Any web2epub wizards? How do I cut out all the extraneous shit on clarkesworldmagazine?

>>25004248
>Writing for RR = Writing for RR's major demographic.
That's strange. Those things seem to say different things.

Beware of Chicken, Path of Ascension, Perfect Run, and Shadow Slave all have romance subplots though

>>25004285
It's easier to edit the generated epub in Calibre. A simple search and replace to delete the text or html you want removed.

>>25004298
>subplots

>>25004298
Your point?

>>25004301
Hmm you got a point. I didn't think about that.

>>25004032
>main character canonically has her first period within weeks of falling in love with and dating an older nobleman
Why didn't they call THAT creepy pedoshit?

>>25004286
You genuinely have severe autism lol, it's the only explanation

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>>25004306
>>25004307
I think you can infer what it means if some of the most popular stories on RR actually do include romance.

I'll punch out any faggot who asserts RR web novels are anti-romance. I'm taking a foursquare stance on the side of love, and all of you squeaky-voiced autists are notice.

are notice

>>25004322
>The bag of marbles has 35 blue ones and 5 red ones
>Me: The bag mostly has blue marbles
>You: No, actually, the bag has 5 red marbles
No, I don't understand what your point is. Please elaborate.

>>25000596
Continuing ARCHETYPE, read chapter 3.

Holy shit, the chapter begins with an extremely long sentence for no reason:
>I had spent most of the night on the sofa in the living room with all the lights off whilst watching TV and had been in the midst of my fourth outing to the kitchen to make myself yet another cup of tea.
Just why? The entire sentence is very mundane to begin with, but there is no reason why it is still dragged on.
There are a million ways to stage the same scene that is shorter and more interesting.
Another issue with dialogue
>middle-aged woman
>saying: C'mon
This makes me believe the author just writes every character like they themselves speak, which might mean all characters will speak the same way.

Other than that, I'm still enjoying it, though I wonder if these two chapters are really necessary for the story.
So, 1st chapter is just a newspaper exposition.
The 2nd chapter is about a nameless protagonist talking with his friend about the possibility of running away to avoid government detention.
The third chapter reveals the protagonist's name and is about the government coming protagonist's house to detain him. It's also the longest chapter with 900 words; it really is surprising how little can happen in 900 words.

>>25004327
Are *on notice. If you didn't grok that chowderhead there's no saving you.

>>25004349
Why do you read one chapter a day?
Do you read 75 words per hour?

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>>25004285
do you mean just the author info at the bottom of the work? it seems it is enough to hide the ".about" class and every element after it
i just set .about, .about ~ * as the "css selector for elements to remove" and tested on one story and it worked just fine

>>25004324
This explains a lot about the people who get into these arguments.
Why would you get mad about factual statements on a site's preferences? I literally don't understand. Just accept you aren't writing what's exactly most on brand for the website. Almost no one's story is perfectly on meta, and plenty of exceptions to every generalization exist. That's no reason to start screeching that the generalization isn't true though.

>>25004285
Why not pirate the issues and official compiled versions?

>>25004331
>>The bag of marbles has 35 blue ones and 5 red ones
You pulled that assertion straight out of your unwashed asshole, and expect me to disprove it. Then when I start drawing marbles, you cry that it's just chance and that the bag definitely still has mostly blue marbles.

Go ahead and demonstrate that the bag actually has mostly blue marbles.

>>25004379
If I go on royalroad and check the stats for the top 40 stories will you suck my cock in apology when you're wrong?

>>25004382
>if I draw more marbles surely I am correct
What happened to “it’s just chance”?

>>25004370
Hey that's cool, thanks dude.

>>25004386
What the fuck are you talking about you sperg?

>>25004331
>>The bag of marbles has 35 blue ones and 5 red ones
This is a mischaracterization of the argument-starting statement.
Nobody itt has ever disagreed with "there are more successful non-romance than romance works".
This shitposting war was started by
>Royalroad is rabidly anti-romance. Queer baiting will just annoy both sides
and anons disagreeing with THAT

>>25004368
I could read more in a day, yes. And I probably will start to, once I do it more.
What I'm trying to do is normalize daily reading.
I could read 20 pages one day, and then become reluctant to continue.
It has happened with so many other media. I read like 30 issues of manga/comic in a day and then run out of steam, and I keep telling myself I will come back, but I never do.

>>25004396
welcome back tina
>and anons disagreeing with THAT
I don't give a fuck how many people disagree that the sky is blue. You're under the delusion that this is an opinion

guys i feel sick.

>Check local deli.
>They sell more roast beef than club sandwiches
The customers here are RABIDLY anti club. Don't even try to include turkey or bacon in your own sandwich design or your mother will die in her sleep tonight unless you write 2000 more words of (you)r novel

>Check local deli
>80% of customers buy roast beef sandwiches and will whine and throw a fit if there's turkey or bacon in it
>Observe aloud that 80% of customers buy roast beef sandwiches and will whine and throw a fit if there's turkey or bacon in it
>Say that if you're trying to satisfy the most customers, make roast beef sandwiches, because 80% of customers will whine and throw a fit if there's turkey or bacon in it
ACTUALLY, SOME PEOPLE BUY TURKEY AND BACON SANDWICHES BTW, dunno if you knew that, that's totally relevant to the conversation and I'm not a moron at all

This has gone on way too long.

>say something completely different
>when anons point out you're retarded and wrong backstep and try to gaslight them into saying you made a more measured and accurate statement
winnnies with schizokino manipulatorGOD mcs?

You're arguing against factual statements

>newfags have been spamming the schizo buzzword for 10 years now

>80% of customers fucking hate pork (it came to me in a dream). They won’t buy a sandwich with pork on it, so you shouldn’t make sandwiches with pork in them
But the cuban sandwich is very popular. As is the BLT. A jambon buerre has pork too, and even a bahn mi or porchetta sandwich. These are some of the most popular sandwiches in the deli.
>THOSE DON’T COUNT, 80% OF CUSTOMERS WONT BUY THEM, STOP MAKING PORK SANDWICHES

>>25004311
Honestly? I think because the character's physical age is mentioned once at the beginning of the story and people forgot it, and the cover arts posted portray her as a woman in her late teens / early twenties, and she has like 50 years of life experience from her past life before she time traveled back to her past. The period is also mentioned almost a volume before the teased romance arc bears fruit, even though the romance arc happens in universe so fast she still hasn't even had her second period (btw they had fade to black sex already, too, and a pet/familiar was born that is their stand-in lovechild).

What I think this shows is that execution is everything for romance plots. People are wary, but handled well people don't complain (or the author is deleting negative comments and I just have't seen them, kek).

I think in my own fiction, even though the LI is a tsunDERE who is only tsun for like two scenes, it turned off a lot of the incels who are now feeling it necessary to complain as my MC gets a big titty gf/wife. They might have accepted it better if I had given the romance arc more room to breathe but I didn't want to distract from the main plot more than I already was.

>>25004429
Reverend Insanity unironically

>>25004424
What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?

>>25004444
thanks anon
never heard of this novel before, I'll have to look into it

you gonna keep shitting your pants and making more and more elaborate strawmans?
The majority of royalroad readers don't like romance in their stories. It's a fact. Really don't give a shit how much of a tantrum you throw, the sky is going to remain blue, not turn purple with your insistence
Never said to not write romance. Only that romance will turn away the majority demographic of royalroad, and they'll be vocal about it too. Everything else you are soiling your diaper about you invented wholesale

>>25004407
Me too man, I've been drinking this year old tea I pirated from a hotel in europe and it's giving me the shits. Very inconvenient when I'm trying to get back into my gym habit.
>woke up at 8am
>got writing
>finished two chappies almost 5k words
>somehow it's already current time and I haven't even gotten dressed
Shit's fucked but I broke 21k words on this new fiction so I'm halfway to a precepts-approved backlog. I figure next week I'll soft launch on patreon.

>if you're writing for RR avoid Romance
>Never said to not write romance

>>25004486
Yes.

>>25004486
shut up. you just shit your pants. i win the argument

>>25004454
This is just bad writing. No wonder you're so obtuse about what's popular on RR; your writing would never pass muster--there or anyplace. Simple sentences are beyond your grasp. You're unable to convey your ideas concisely and pleasingly. Your stories must be steaming horse shit.

>>25004486
if you are writing for RR never make romance your primary hook, is it so hard to find understanding everybody

>another melty
why have the schizos been so riled up lately?

>>25004499
Sorry for all the hostile posting, I'm just in a really bad mood today because mom made cl*b sandwiches for lunch.

how do i write good romance?

>>25004506
I don't know. Ask someone who has a girlfriend, or a wife, or a lover.

>>25004454
you don't even dare to reply to a post, shut up bitch

>>25004508
I don't think people want realism in romance stories. I don't think it would have a positive effect.

They want dumbstriking beauty and torrid sex and you're a clod not to give it to them.

I miss when this thread was only RR writers taking refuge from /wg/

>>25004558
Are you a RR author?

We should merge with /wg/ and make a lively thread, instead of these two sluggardly threads.

but I only read, not write...

>thread is literally just two spergs having a melty with tina and RIfag sprinkled here and there

>>25004584
I'm the opposite, I write but I don't read

>>25004647
gmi

Enough melting. Enough RI spamming. I’m bored. Let’s write a book. Say, 1,500 to 3,000 words. I’ll pitch some ideas, you pitch some ideas. We’ll argue and go from there. Hopefully, we can get this done before another bake.
Let’s start with the premise. We need some high-concept pitches that don’t take too long to play out from start to finish and don’t require too much groundwork (like how a lot of syosetu.com short stories are just a twist on the tired villainess engagement-breaking scene. In this one, the villainess is a level 99 Amazon, in this one, she’s a gu master, in this one, she’s a whore, etc.).
Any ideas?

>>25004743
Why don't you start with a basic idea and get people to spin off of it.

>>25004506
Actual answer is whether you're interested in doing female oriented romance or male oriented romance, because the styles differ quite a bit.

>>25004762
Sure.
Here’s a vague one:
After a century of seclusion, a qi cultivator (or mage) emerges into a world that is very different from the one he left behind.
And here’s a more specific one:
Wanting to impress the village hottie, a country bumpkin takes up an axe and ventures across the hill to become an adventurer.
But after years of hard work, the girl turns him down for a rich man. Disheartened, he puts down the axe and goes back to working on his family farm.
On the other side of the country, the capital is in chaos after their axe-wielding hero suddenly disappears, and several powerful (yandere) women across the kingdom rush to be the first to find him.

>>25004762
Boy meets girl

Is it in bad taste to do a soft harem but have a clear main girl that will win at the end?

>>25003423
why tho. why cant femC have LI = M, some meta?

>>25004892
>Why don't men want to read about being attracted to men?

why do boomers on RR reluctantly animewash their shit (from a butt btw). they will never be zoomers. its so disgusting. what are they even trying to achieve

the antagonist of my story is the real main character

>>25003564
scribble hub, possible to patreon from good lewd? i mean like RR

>>25004816
No thanks

>>25004930
girl(femc)(small tits) meets girl(hots for her)(huge tits)(voluptuous figure)

You, a mere Qi Condensation ant, have just stolen an immortal treasure from a Nascent Soul old monster thanks to your unique physique.

How do you escape?

>>25004743
Raising a gu is like raising a mistress.
To keep a mistress you would need to buy food, clothes, a house etc. It is very expensive and the more you have the more costly it is; a normal man cannot afford it.

Even if you keep so many, a man’s energy is limited; he cannot use them all. Would you raise them just to look at them?

>>25004937
Turn a chair in the room.

>>25004912
they're trying to write to market, the fuck you think

>>25004937
whine to the system, make dogshit reddit quips, and start acting as retarded as possible

>>25004040
>In this chapter, Jacques teaches you why you shouldn’t talk to strangers.
yes. rick springfield and dio, both tried to warn us of exactly that

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>>25004948
you have no system

>>25004937
How would a Spectral Soul Demon Venerable escape in this situation?

>>25004092
has anyone ever isekai'd into the sims? i'm thinking of the cheatcodes, lol.

>>25004963
Let himself get captured, almost die, then btfo his captor later because he's the GOAT. He does this like 5 times

Pretty sure that he even purposely let himself get mind controlled by Heaven's Will to advance killing path.

>>25004918
why is this typed like you're drunk and asking an AI chatbot a question

My geiger counter is registering nuclear levels of autism.

>>25004164
you have the kind where you flap your hands and hum all the time? or just the kind where you are quiet, polite, get good grades

>>25004991
Remove it from your asshole then

>>25004813
>Wanting to impress the village hottie, a country bumpkin takes up an axe and ventures across the hill to become an adventurer.
He has the worthless skill 'Timber" which allows him to control exactly where things he fells with his axe fall. He soon finds it applies to more than just trees.

>>25005006
Why are you so violent? You're better served channeling that into your writing.

>read cultivation wns
>plot inevitably derails towards race war between the ‘Han Chinese’ and ‘foreign races’
there’s going to come a time when someone writes the Aryan Cultivation WN and it will be the greatest cultivation wn ever made

>>25004324
>on the side of love, and all of you squeaky-voiced autists are notice.
all your base, are belong to us. EFL much?

>>25004816
>Boy meets girl
The boy is (our) protagonist, but he's the love interest in the eyes of the girl, who is a regressor. Hijinks ensue as he is pursued by a woman who seems to always be in the right place at the right time, and he gradually grows suspicious. Then, at the end of volume 1, he also becomes a regressor.

>>25004349
>whilst
cringe inducing word.

How does one jazz a readership of autistic asexuals? Go in for indiscriminate violence. Keep the merrymaking chaste and drench the battle scenes in pornographic gore. That's the key to rise in this racket.

>>25005041
>That's the key to rise in this racket.
t. tourist with no clue what he's talking about

>>25005044
You sound mad that my insights strike to the heart of web-novel writing and I've invested a fraction of sweat and zero of the agony you have.

>>25005051
i can tell by the way you type words that you haven't read Reverend Insanity yet
correct that then come back and try again

>>25005054
You don't know how I write (or in your clumsy phrase, "the way I type words"). It beggars your understanding. The surface fizz conceals illimitable depths which you couldn't begin to access.

>>25004432
>You're arguing against factual statements
this has never once, in centuries, stopped anyone. so don't hold your breath. this thread is a shitstain in the underwear of /lit/

>>25005041
>Go in for indiscriminate violence.
That would be a start.

>>25005054
Nobody outside your deranged, tiny cohort of retards wants to read or hear about your dogshit book for 14yo third-worlders and bugmen who just learned about objectivism

>>25004579
>We should merge with /wg/ and make a lively thread, instead of these two sluggardly threads.
see, its one thing to have no ideas. but its another to have a *bad* idea

>>25005017
Why do you think Hitler was so obsessed with the occult? It already happened.

just got in from work. i haven't seen much less posted in this edition of the general yet, until now. I am scrolling down through it all. what, the ever loving fuck.

>>25004762
>Why don't you start with a basic idea and get people to spin off of it.
it was a dark and stormy night

>>25004853
>Is it in bad taste to do a soft harem but have a clear main girl that will win at the end?
i never got my answer from a long time ago. isnt two girls technically a small harem.

>>25004906
>>>25003423
> why tho. why cant femC have LI = M, some meta?
>>>
>Anonymous 01/08/26(Thu)21:26:08 No.25004906▶
> >>25004892 (You)
> >Why don't men want to read about being attracted to men?
english motherfucker, do you speak it. translation: why cant female main character have a love interest that is male. is it violating some meta. your response? why dont men want to read fag shit. the fuck is wrong with you. that was hetero as fuck.

So what happened to that /wng/ mag idea some anon was talking about on the previous thread?

>>25004983
>why is this typed like you're drunk and asking an AI chatbot a question
lack of sleep berry berry similar to drunk? and this thread reads from top to bottom, well it honestly reads like chatbots talking/arguing in big patches.

I saw that some posted about web to epub and similar, but I didn't try that. For my purpose I decided to try the FanFicFare Calibre plug-in. All I had to do was install it, open it, copy the story url, and have it run. Soon after it downloaded every chapter into an epub that seems to have all the metadata, cover image, chapter division, formatting, and whatever else. Then I sent it onto my erader from that. This is much less of a problem than I thought it'd be.

Can somebody give me a quick rundown on uploading advance chapters to Patreon? Like is there a tutorial? Never used Patreon before.

Not asking about pricing.

>>25005041
>How does one jazz a readership of autistic asexuals? Go in for indiscriminate violence. Keep the merrymaking chaste and drench the battle scenes in pornographic gore. That's the key to rise in this racket.
that? is not unlike what I am doing right now. are you stalking me, lol. or are you just my glowie watching and you've grown fond of me.

>>25005063
>It beggars your understanding.
eh?

>>25005179
>click create
>click create post (this is annoying, stupid fucking website design)
>type in title
>copy paste in chapter content
>add tags
>select collection (this is handy)
>set publish date
>enter date and time (double check am and pm)
>select tiers
>click schedule at the top of the screen

There you go

Now if you have different tiers with different amount of chapters ahead, you have to manually change the tiers of the posts as you go, there's no way to schedule adding a post to a tier automatically. This isn't that bad: on normal post days, I wake up and just whenever I feel like it, update the $5 and free posts (just the two). Takes about 40 seconds total. I make no promises about WHEN on a day a post will go live on patreon, but I do typically schedule the main auto post at the same time consistently on posting days.

>>25004324
You can write and like whatever you want brosephina but I for one will never follow or favourite romance or romance subplot fictions.

has anyone used the technique of a psychological novel, in WN meta format or noticed it being used.

>>25005194
>You can write and like whatever you want brosephina but I for one will never follow or favourite romance or romance subplot fictions.
so you are saying. never once have you read anything that the MC finds/has a romantic partner. the tiniest bit of anything past just mindless no strings fun, is the tiniest of romance-subplot. i'm finding this hard to believe.

I am going to make slop
Not in a cynical way or a cashgrab way but just a fun way, I am not going to overthink anything, I am not going to avoid being shallow or uncreative or style over substance, I am just going to have fun

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How does this intro read?

Does it inspire any kind of mystery?

Is the pacing off?

Cultivation regression novel, but the antagonist is the regressor and the MC needs to figure out how to beat him despite not being a regressor himself.

>>25004743
>>25004816
>>25005106
>>25005021
>>25005011
Alright. So far we have:
>it was a dark and stormy night
>boy is a recluse who just emerges into a brave new world
>boy has a seemingly worthless axe skill that’s actually op.
>boy meets girl
>girl is a regressor who chases after boy
So far, it reads like one of those stories where the MC runs away to live in the woods and accidentally becomes OP. People who come across him think he’s a hidden sage, and misunderstandings ensue.
Any more ideas?

>>25004892
yes, it is the low iq selfinserter meta. if the mc has a boyfriend it feels too gay to say "wow she is literally me" whenever there's a chapter of contentless aura farming slop showing off how cool her cheat power is while she effortlessly bulldozes over a paper thin antagonist or face slaps an arrogant young master or whatever
which is the main reason like 80% of the rising stars readerbase even comes to webnovels in the first place

>>25005264
>yes, it is the low iq selfinserter meta. if the mc has a boyfriend it feels too gay to say "wow she is literally me" whenever there's a chapter of contentless aura farming slop showing off how cool her cheat power is while she effortlessly bulldozes over a paper thin antagonist or face slaps an arrogant young master or whatever

Wait I'm new here and I think I've unintentionally been writing the meta

>>25004918
i've read SH stories that where the author notes say they have advance chapters on patreon. dunno how well it pays though. probably less than RR since the readerbase is smaller there but if you have an underserved fetish niche maybe it's good

>>25004937
Fall off a cliff while running away and fortuitously land on some kind of incredible get-out-of-jail-free like a hidden entrance to a secret realm with untold riches to plunder.

>>25005268
congrats anon, hope you set up your sloptreon already and are prepared for the money to roll on in

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>my hammer waifu has been potentially long term crippled in the dungeon
;_;
FUCK I KINDA WANT TO GO TO PATREON NOW
I got kinda hit out of nowhere when he described the spoiler event. He was describing what was happening, then he described HER, and damn, it hit me right in the feels. I need to steal that technique.

>>25005280
I'm writing a regular novel, I don't think I can or want to keep up with the "upload as much as often as possible in tiny pieces" part of all this,

>>25005041
>drench the battle scenes in pornographic gore
you don't understand it at all
make the battle scenes short and sweet and then drench them in numberslop, level-up build choices and treasure vaults.

>>25005285
Paranoid Mage was uploaded in normal length chapters once per week and did gangbusters.
You can really do whatever you want. Patreon cattle WANT to be milked. They just have too much money, and it's our job as authors to help lighten their loads.

Whoever thinks that web novels don't operate downstream from mangas is lying to themselves.

>>25005297
upstream, surely?

>>25005297
In Japan it's the other way around.
WN>LN>Manga>Voice Drama>Anime>Localization to English>the minds of our precious impressionable youth

>>25005297
>thinking in <z-axis>
Your Qi will NEVER condensate.

>>25005303
You forgot the copestone to that cycle:
>WN

>>25005301
In Japanese yeah. In English it's downstream.

>>25005297
webnovel.com yeah
royalroad.com only some stories

New Life As A Max Level Archmage

It's been some years since I last tried to reading anything last like this and I only ever skimmed what I looked at*. I never completed anything. For this year I thought I'd try looking at more like it again. I read the first few chapters then started skimming to get an idea of what it was like, which was my purpose for now. I don't know that I'll find anything that I feel compelled to read. I'm mostly interested in it as a writing movement and for the relative novelty of expression.

What bothers me to the most about it in terms of writing is that I don't like how it uses a omniscient third person stream of consciousness. It reads like the author/narrator is telling what each of the characters is thinking in real time while also lore dumping. For me this makes it not feel like a story that is occurring but rather something a friend is haphazardly telling me and making it up as they go along. I personally have no sense of immersion whatsoever, but I assume for those that enjoy this, they do. Maybe this style is even a significant part of the appeal.

The game mechanics and everything else don't appeal to me. I don't mean this categorically. It reads like an incoherent mishmash, but I suppose it does enough for surface level appeal for many. Really, none of it appeals to me with how it's presented. I don't have much to say about the world and Vivi just makes me shake my head at the real world vs game world. All the proper nouns make me want to face palm, but not of out cringe, because that isn't something I particularly experience. The problem is that they just seem all there to be there. They're empty signifiers as far as I can tell.

The comparisons to Frieren are understandable, though not reasonable. They're understandable in that the sort of person who'd make such a superficial comparison is the same sort of person who'd enjoy it. I'm current on the manga, which is good enough, though the anime only fans definitely overrate it. I could go into depth about it, but that's outside the scope here. The comparison isn't reasonable because there isn't enough in common except the most superficial in terms of character, and plot as far as I can from what I looked at.

I want to say that I understand why it's so popular though, but I can't be certain about that without having read it blindly. I also don't know whether I'd have ever been the audience for this specific story either. I feel like it's similar to the sort who believe Old School Runescape was one of the best games ever because that's what they played growing up because it was free and easy to access. Saying "They didn't know better" would be going too far.

This isn't a review. I plan to write about what I look at. I don't believe in slop and I won't use the word again. I won't be grading on a curve or otherwise having a severely lopsided double standard with my opinion.

*not strictly true because I'm current on the book releases of Dungeon Crawler Carl.

>>25005271
>i've read SH stories that where the author notes say they have advance chapters on patreon. dunno how well it pays though. probably less than RR since the readerbase is smaller there but if you have an underserved fetish niche maybe it's good
it just staggers my imagination. that with the modern proliferation and normalization of erotica of all forms and fetish erotica and ever more explicit stuff. there's no RR level of place where it goes and lets face it, rewarding the (better) authors is the way to get it. Like RR and the patreon winners there. I visited Literotica, but they basically own your text, and freak out against posting anything that is in a book anywhere else. xnxx has basically another literotica clone. It just seems obvious there should be an RR clone for that. This is where everypone will say KU/amazon, but its pointless to go there with no presence first.

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Gentlemen we all did really well earlier let's keep up the good work.

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>>25005335
The beauty of MLA and why it was so successful is that it's so bland and vapid anyone can pick it up, and it hits hard on the power fantasy "frieren aesthetic" that slop-enjoyers crave. It entirely lacks literary affectations that turn off casual readers and complex plots that turn off the low IQ.

>>25005337
>its pointless to go there with no presence first.
the meta is to build an audience on tiktok first and then release your fairydragon romantasy smut on amazon
horny people are much more willing to buy an unknown story based purely on social media hype and trope tags

>>25005343
>It entirely lacks literary affectations that turn off casual readers and complex plots that turn off the low IQ
is this why every time my character in a writing sample (1st person) engages in more than one or two sentences of inner monologue (staple of novels, historically) everyone freaks. word salad, schizo rambling, navel gazing, word vomit, etc etc?

>>25005344
not everyone is built to be tiktokker, youtuber, shiller, salesman. as clinre eastwood as dirty harry once said. A man has got to know his limitations. kek.

>>25005354
he who does not shill, neither shall he eat

>author fellates the villain for seventeen volumes straight
>give the hero the most pathetic victory against them in the eighteenth book, desperately trying to convince the readers that this was a real victory
why even write these protags if you don't give a shit about them?

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>>25005404
>seventeeth
>eighteenth

woke up from a dream where my story had been reviewbombed

>>25005352
My stories are pretty much nothing but internal monologue, schizo rambling with huge wall of text paragraphs, but no one has complained about that. Just don't make it boring.

>>25005436
No one can complain because no one reads that.

>>25004443
Any even remotely sexually suggestive content, including joking, teasing, flirting, involving characters under 18 is against RR's rules and should get the work deleted. I spent two weeks wrestling with the puritan mods there about this, and meanwhile they have stories with old dudes fucking girls in their first period lmao

>>25005438
Sure bruh

Told you it would start
https://x.com/Dexerto/status/2009490584424112437

I wrote 100k words of a pretty fun "lost in a game world" story with AI assistance, but never posted it because I expected to get only relentlessly shat on. But lately there have been a bunch of AI-assisted stories up on RS and it doesn't seem to be such a deal-breaker after all

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>>25005463
you cute

>>25005458
It's a slop company hosting webnovel slop and monetizing it, with an AI chatbot tool prominently featured on the front page of their website to shill you their slop.
Let's be real: this entire thing is probably a marketing stunt to bring attention to their shitty company.

>>25005434
Time to make that dream a reality :)

>>25004032
This is aimed at women, therefore it's allowed to do things that stories aimed at men aren't. This is a common thing in modern literature.

>>25005337
RR kinda used to be that place. Stories like Kidnapped To Another World started out on RRL. The Arcane Emperor, Change; New World, Everybody Lives Large Chests had a whole bunch of explicit content.

>>25005343
No, the beauty of it is that the story started strong: it has an interesting concept (of being max level in a game world combined with magic) and immediately starts exploring this concept. Few stories do this. Your typical web novel and traditionally published novel start out with 5 prologues and only hints at what the cool thing in the story is. The exploration of those concepts doesn't start until well into later parts of the story.

It used to be that a story being "fantasy" was the interesting concept by itself. But these days we've had so many fantasy stories that it's become mundane. Fantasy by itself isn't enough.

Too many stories start out weak.

>>25005509
>being max level in a game world combined with magic
>Few stories do this
What the fuck?

>>25005510
Read both posts a little closer and see that MagicBeat is correct, and the second post is a retelling of the first from a reader's perspective. It's remarkably 1:1.

>>25005335
>The comparisons to Frieren are understandable, though not reasonable.
Instead of comparing it to Frieren you should compare it to The New Gate, but with a mage.

>I feel like it's similar to the sort who believe Old School Runescape was one of the best games ever because that's what they played growing up because it was free and easy to access.
OSRS is and was one of the best games, because it's an MMO that's executing on the MMO promise - building a fantasy *world* that feels like a world. WoW became so popular that every MMO post-WoW tried to copy its theme park nature and quietly gave up on the original promise of MMOs.

Have you seen all the weird video content made about OSRS? Things like Swampletics, Tile Man, and others. These are possible in OSRS because the game lets you tackle it how you want to. It feels like a multiplayer fantasy sandbox. Typical MMOs only allow you one path forward: at level 10 you're supposed to be in this zone doing this quest and killing these monsters and anything else just doesn't work. There's no real exploration going on or anything like that. Even WoW doesn't, because there's no incentive to do so.

>>25005509
Excellent post. I hear you. I was always willing to read the paperback that started out so small and unassuming. How the hell is thing ever going to... (but it always does, later on) Its where we get the traditional pyramid shape of action and tension rising. And no, its no longer enough, you are right. It pains me to use movies as an analogy, but its accurate. Look at any james bond movie. It *always* opens on a short dramatic mission, right before the big action. Its quick, its over in short order. Then? Titles and music. Then, the slow build up of introducing the elements that will come together to make this tension and action come. Take that away, and you have a movie where the first half is slow, then builds and you get to the excitement. I need to go back and add that, I think it will save my earlier projects that start slow, then build into what comes. I call it adding "chapter 0". Its unrelated to the main plot, its just a bit of eye candy to let you know you didn't waste your time signing up for this story.

>>25005510
Do not expect much from the goldfish.
They can not justify the patience for reading a gradual revealing of information because they form their own desired context regardless of what they "read".

>>25005134
He explained it very accurately: men don't want to read about being attracted to men. If your main character has a male love interest then you lose your male readers. And at least for now, they are the majority of web novel readers. I'm sure that as time goes on men will start being pushed out of this space as well and it won't matter what male readers care about, but for now it does.
You can write a male love interest, just don't expect men to read it.

>>25005528
I don't trust authors to eventually give me a satisfying story to read. I've seen far too many disappointments. But if the story starts out strong then I'll already get enjoyment out of it from the start.

>>25005528
>>25005544
I have no idea what you people are talking about. Reincarnating as your max level game character is an incredibly common premise, especially in Japanese LNs and they sure don't "start slow". And MLA builds gradually the same as everyone

>>25005534
no, no. I dig you and where you're coming from. Its just when I look around WN sites at all the stuff, I see so many of what look like light fluffy stories. I mean "Demon Princess wants to paint". I just look at the title and the cover, and I think that's a girly story for teenage girls to read. I look at the cover of "the Song and the Serpent", I see what looks like a masculine story. Note that I have read not a word of either one. So going by this info, I can now safely assume that the pretty demon princess will have (if any) a LI thats a female. Men like reading about women and two women kissing is fun. I get it now.
TL;DR --- you guys are amazingly helpful with cutting through the bullshit to what needs done when the group melties die down.

>>25005495
>allowed
but it's the actual male readers who don't wanna read tropey romance slop on RR, not the lizard people imposing a role on them

>>25005549
>incredibly common premise, especially in Japanese LNs
I haven't seen it outside of overlord and I guess that one other LN mla author cited as an inspiraton, but I haven't read it (Land of Leadale). There are a number of reincarnated as an unrelated op videogame character with cheat powers type stories but that has a very different vibe to it.
I guess I am not as deep in the slop weeds as (you).

Of course it has recently been popular on RR with people trying to ride arcanecadence's coattails.

someone once said here in /wng/ that WNs don't come with soundtracks.
https://files.catbox.moe/di5uap.mp3
let it play while you fart around here, its not a pop song with a hook and chorus. The payoff/exciting part before the outro is where its at. (think, soundtrack music) I was writing music and I get an image when I write music. Once that image hits, I now can't shake it and it puts its stamp on the track. I started writing a new story based off the MC it gave me. Other tracks on that same demo were other characters and things in the story. I would put the finished several tracks on repeat, while I would write for hours. Might be the only time a novel actually had a soundtrack, LMAO.

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Feelin good about my RR launch bros.

>>25005577
good luck anony

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>>25005588
thanks bro

>>25005577
Did you launch already, or is this something you're running up to?

>>25005608
in submission queue right now. please wait warmly

>>25005352
Some of the most popular stories on RR do this so you’re probably just a shitty writer or something

you guys are pros. any tips for an 80iq aspiring web novel writer?

>>25005119
It's a love triangle unless the girls get on, then it's a harem.

inshallah 2026 my story will be r15 and my readers will have awesome boners wish me good luck no homo

>>25005337
>there's no RR level of place
it is called scribble hub anon

>>25005731
On RR, if you have 50,000 views, you're a nobody. On SH, if you have 5,000 views, you're cream of the crop lol

>>25005744
RR was more lewd 10 years ago. Just mentioning that scribble hub is the best for lewd serials.

Webnovel (yes, yes) got the biggest ones, their views etc. are entirely fake tho.

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Get to my level kouhai (already deleted my account)

>>25005534
I self-insert as the strongest most aryan man with the biggest dick, regardless of whom that is in the story, nothing gay about the princess femc romancing that character

I'm thinking of centering a wn on a cuck. Maybe an Isekai where his girlfriend is transported along with him. He happens on a grove and there she is being ravished by a battalion of woodland animals. Of course it would all be vividly rendered but highly abstract to overleap the censors.

>>25005941
animals don't count

>>25005686
ruh-roh. my series of crime thrillers. they technically deserve the harem tag. only the last three have little enough explicit sex to be on RR but those three are the most accessible and most structured like a trad pub. I just need to add chapter 0 action hooks to each of them, because all have slow starts. The MC always did have two girlfriends, and yes the girls are best friends since college days. a harem tag on crime thrillers. Hmm. The earlier ones that preceded those three, if I could get noticed for the three better ones on RR, could then be sold on KU. Does amazon KU have any rules against heavy sexually explicit works?

>>25005637
>Some of the most popular stories on RR do this so you’re probably just a shitty writer or something
could well be, anon. not like i'm the only one though.

>>25005637
it was the first 4k words of my first chapter. the murder and start of the isekai death is the last 1k. as i said, slow start. My MC's inner monologue was both to introduce him thoroughly as well as establish what he was. A hard ass, but with a moral backbone. My reviewer said it was sort of okay, just too much before the murder. he was explaining chapter one immediate action hooks.

>>25005661
unless you have some serious chops, I'd recommend taking something very popular and successful. create an outline of what each chapter does. Then copy the structure but replace everything with your own story. Example? Sure "Demon Princess likes to paint". You? "Devil Queen: diabolical mastermind, master sculptor". Uhm, the devil himself, died and his concubine rules hell. (if you're successful using this one? You have to give me shoutouts, dude)

>Alden finally gives Stu an authority handjob
I didn't really think it would happen this year.

MC to his rival and regular lay onboard the spaceship: "I'm going to fill your torpid bulk with my religious fire!"

>>25005744
Because the audience for smut is smaller.
Men dont read erotica. Women do.

>>25006100
not true, all the real dark nieche smut is male
and men dole out more

what women do is perversion at scale and permitted in the open socially

the scribble hub patreons check them, they are decent

>>25005549
It doesnt matter if it's popular in another culture. Not many Western stories have done it, much less done it well, so it was "new" to that audience.
Most people reading on RR don't read LNs

>>25006104
LN go through the translation aggregator sites that is where they find their mass audience

>>25006102
>niche
Yes. Exactly.
Obviously some men read erotica. It is a very small minority though and the lack of any major site for male-focused novel length stories with frequent smut mixed in (like what is the most popular genre in the world that primarily women read) proves it.
Closest thing men have is the haremlit niche on Amazon.

>>25006100
I learned this the hard way when including lesbo fantasm girl on girl gasm in my first novel caused my readerbase to skew female

>>25006110
This is a true statement but doesnt relate to what I said whatsoever.

>>25006102
>the scribble hub patreons check them, they are decent
which?

>>25006114
expanding the knowledge base
>>25006113
I'm on my 8th project in three month one found a small reader base. Everything else only negative or no engagement.
Was a tough start but I'm learning.

I think I will manage to get something to land over time. So even if you get negative feedback here or none elsewhere
it might not be you just the wrong itch you tingled or missed it slightly.

>>25006125
>expanding the knowledge base
Preface with that then, because dropping a random common knowledge statement in a >> makes it seem like youre trying to make a point with it. That's how replying works.

>>25006134
>he said very gay as he corrected another user

>>25006137
Why do you type in broken English?

>>25006111
Real men read Reverend Insanity.

>>25006176
I liked lord of the mysteries and deep sea embers more fun.
Real men read vagabond.

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>>25006022
it was the first 4k words of my first chapter. the murder and start of the isekai death is the last 1k.
You're probably going past the one or two sentences of inner monologue that apparently get you called a schizo then if you're hitting the 3k mark
> A hard ass, but with a moral backbone.
A good authors can establish this in one scene or even just a single punchy sentence. Authors should be able to justify every sentence they put on the pag. I think if a lot of the people who posted here did that, they would find most of the sentences in the 3k monolouge scene serve the exact same purpose and it's boring to read over and over again.
Not slow. Boring. Slow is fine. Poppy Wars is slow. LOTR is slow. But even when it's slow, economy of words is still very much at play. It's also slow because 1) exposition dumps 2) a lot of minor events are being written in detail. I don't think there are a lot of popular books trad or WN that are mostly slow because of inner monolouge.

>>25006207
> LOTR is slow. But even when it's slow, economy of words is still very much at play.
yeah... yeah ok you do you

LOTR, economy of words, somebody should look into that one
you can say allot about tolkien and praise him for but that accusation? that is not something I ever heard

>>25006207
>it was the first 4k words of my first chapter. the murder and start of the isekai death is the last 1k.
Why?

>>25006207
LOTR is overrated, sure Gondor has a new king, but what's his tax policy?

>>25006100
>erotica
It's just reading and fantasizing, why can't you have sex scenes in books but most TV-series and movies has them? Are sex scenes in literature really that taboo, even more so than video game sex?
The only medium that seems similar is anime. You show boobs and it's ecchi, sex and it's hentai.

>>25006203
inb4 down for implementation of their native premium sub system