What do you think of Alan Watts?
Him and schopenhauer tried to explain the same ideas, Watts did it better and in only 170 pages, PLUS he came out with a life affirming view.total chad.
>>25006477Many such cases, in which a German writes ten thousand pages of concentrated autism trying to explain the same idea that an Anglo explained with a short book or a poem or something.
>>25006477So, they have the same realizations, but Watts reframes it to be fun while Schopenhauer goes the chud route? Is there any reason why one wouldn't add the reframe? Skill issue? Lack of spirit?
>>25006468https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o2nEFfTumc&t=140sHe really fucking hate white people and he despised Christians. White or Christian = evil racist militant fascist subvertersJesus was the Buddha according to Watts.
>>25006483>He really fucking hate white people and he despised ChristiansBased.
>>25006483>Hating on Western religion's monarchist natureHating on Abrahamic faith does not make one anti-white, it is pro-life and pro-truth.>>25006477Interesting take.
>>25006509He explicitly talks about Whiteness and Christianity as two routes to militant racist fascism. He himself does not separate the two, and in fact he goes on to argue that Christianity has been corrupted by white people away from Jesus' message.
>>25006512I just listened to it.And it is a fact that the original Christianity, no called gnosticism, was corrupted by the Roman Empire
>>25006524>no called gnosticism,Now called
>>25006524>I just listened to it.Then you did not understand it. He explicitly makes those claims. Playing stupid won't remediate the insidiousness exuded from his character. Watts was a villain.
>>25006532>Whites. Founded the anabaptists, the Levelers, etc.>These whites founded the USAAnon, your problem is that your faith is in fascism and the Roman Pedophile Protection League. This clogs your ears, and clouds your vision.
>>25006468I've listened to a bunch of hours of him speaking. Seems like a hippie dude that talked the talk but was a disgusting drunk. He seems to have an acceptable view of the world that can't be proved. I'm not sure he said anything truly remarkable or enlightening but it all seemed fine I guess. If everyone thought that was the world would be a better place, but it isn't and people like him get the boot in reality so it really wouldn't work.
>>25006536I'm not Christian. The analysis of Watts is inherent to his claims, nothing to do with my religious beliefs. Whatever hangups you have with the Catholic church, Watt's conclusions are still incredibly racist and his view of why western religion isn't to his liking is caused by the White as a race itself. But, we can humor you for a moment since you say that the problem is in fascism and in Catholicism, but you seem to be flailing about. You haven't substantiated anything or discussed why you hold your antagonistic biases. Likewise, your worldview fails to account for conflict between nationalist movements and the Catholic church. The Nazis famously thought that Catholics had too many gays and pederasts and came to cultural blows. Catholic areas of Germany were notoriously resistant to supporting their movement.
>>25006512>he goes on to argue that Christianity has been corrupted by white people away from Jesus' messageThis is irrefutable. Jesus never sanctioned a church.
Mostly a hack but he does say some things that get your brain thinking
>>25006509>AbrahamicKill yourself indian vermin.
>>25006468Anti-transcendentalist western buddhist retard.
>>25006468pretentious pseud from the age which posed no real challenges, so any uttered banality sounded like wisdom
>>25006664>indianNonsensical. Abraham started three of the major world religions. Though he'd be pissed off at all three, that's nothing shocking, since all three are pissed off with each other, externally and internally. >>25006553>Watt's conclusions are still incredibly racist Fake and gay. "I'm not christian, I just feel very offended at" Shut the fuck up you fake ass bitch. I don't even care what your agenda is>The Nazis famously thought that Catholics had too many gays and pederastsThe nazis are famous for having just as many gay pederasts
>>25006753>I don't even care what your agenda isI'm telling you what Watt's agenda is. You keep deflecting to me, but I'm just pointing out the ugly truth. If you hate, perhaps you should examine yourself first. And again, I'm not offended as a Christian, but to say that white people through their genetic inferiority miscorrected every Christian sect into fascism is an insane take. That's Watt's in a nutshell though.>The nazis are famous for having just as many gay pederastsIf this was true or not, and it's not, it wouldn't matter because that was a chief complaint of the Nazis against the Catholics. The previous argument is that Nazis and Catholics are the same thing and they were culturally, ideologically, and popularly opposed. These things cannot be wedged together, but attempting to fuse the two does allow us to examine the hatreds of anti-Christian and anti-Whites as they see it.
>just like, chill out man. We are all le one…>*draft dodges*>*cheats on his wife*>*dies of alcoholism*Based
>>25006783I already told you what Watts said, idiot. stfu.
>>25006816You brazenly ignored his racism and his vacuous accusations about Christianity, or that he tries to turn Christianity into something alien to itself and accuses White people of being the source of its corruption, itself an alien and agressively pernicious idea.
Alan Watts’s criticism of Christianity begins with what he regarded as its excessive metaphysical dualism, especially the rigid ontological separation between Creator and creation. He argued that Western Christianity hardened a symbolic distinction into a literal metaphysical fracture, producing what he famously described as the “skin-encapsulated ego,” a self conceived as isolated over against both God and nature. For Watts, this dualism transformed the doctrine of creation into a cosmic hierarchy of alienation, wherein the world becomes something made rather than something participated in. He remarked with characteristic irony that Christianity often presents God as “a kind of cosmic monarch,” whose transcendence is emphasized at the expense of immanence, resulting in a theology that unintentionally sacralizes distance and estrangement.A second and more pointed line of critique concerns the doctrine of original sin, which Watts treated less as a theological insight than as a psychological burden. He argued that Augustine’s formulation reinterpreted mythic language as biological fact, thereby recasting existence itself as culpable. Watts quipped that Christianity managed the impressive feat of making people feel guilty “for being born,” and he saw this as a category mistake that confused moral responsibility with ontological condition. In his analysis, the emphasis on inherited sin produces a moral psychology dominated by anxiety, self-surveillance, and what he called “a chronic sense of being in the wrong,” rather than a contemplative recognition of human limitation as a neutral feature of finitude.
>>25007012Watts also criticized Christianity’s historical ambivalence toward embodiment, pleasure, and spontaneity, which he traced to its moralization of ascetic discipline. He acknowledged the presence of sacramental and incarnational themes but argued that institutional Christianity often behaved as though the body were “a troublesome appendage to the soul.” With dry humor, he observed that Christianity sometimes gives the impression that God created the world, regretted it, and then spent the rest of history trying to correct the mistake. This tendency, in Watts’s view, fostered a suspicion of nature and eros that stood in tension with both biblical poetry and the insights of Christian mystics themselves.Finally, Watts took issue with Christian soteriology as an externally administered rescue operation rather than an interior transformation. He repeatedly contrasted salvation understood as juridical acquittal with what he called “awakening,” a realization of one’s participation in the divine ground of being. The language of redemption, he argued, often implied that grace was something done to the believer rather than something recognized, reinforcing passivity and dependence. Yet Watts was careful to note that this was not inevitable, pointing to Meister Eckhart’s insistence that “the eye with which I see God is the same eye with which God sees me.” His critique thus aimed less at Christianity as such than at what he viewed as its habitual tendency to forget its own most radical metaphysical resources.
Everyone who has talked about watts to me has been a druggie that seems like they need to get their own life together. Everyone who preaches watts has leads been the most liable to fly off the handle and lose their shit over something trivial.
>>25007028>has been a druggieNothing wrong at all with a little psychedelics used properly every now and then.
>>25006468He's a cia glowie tied into the Esalen Institute like Joe Rogan. He was there to misdirect people, like most celebrities.
>>25007017>if I use AI maybe I can deflect from Watt's uncomfortable white-hating racism
2016 was a mistake
>>25006477What book?
>>25007215
>>25007071kys>>25006483>>25006512BasedI ignored him because redditors liked him but seems I could read him sometime, to mostly see where he screwed up. What book of his should I look at?
The more I learn about him the less respect I have for him and his opinions.
>>25007575Same happened to me.
>>25007575>>25007582As I said, read better books or leave my board.
>>25006483What a massive piece of shit. No one wonder he's regarded as a pop meme spiritual guru instead of a serious philosopher.
>>25007678>Waaaah he's mean to my race and creed.Rope. Now.
>>25007683>Waaaah he's mean to my meme gurukys again, Alan
>>25007683Keep slurping your hatorade bro.
>>25007678Race bating shit head is back at it again?Already covered this, asshole. It's right there in the linked video. He's hating on the CORRUPTED version of Christianity. He's hating on the MONARCHISTS. He takes a moment to promote the protestants tried to take it back, the anabaptists, the Levelers, etc.Fake fucker, shut the FUCK UP!
>I read a Dan Brown novel during a shroom trip in high school.cool bro
>>25006468Banal hippie bowdlerizing taoism and buddhism for a California counterculture audience. Wastoid. Just attain the Tao intuitively instead.
>>25006634St. Peter the rock, bro??
>>25006468talked the talkdidnt walk the walktherefore he deserves ridicule and all the suffering in hell he is currently experiencing :)
i have "Alan Watts: Out of Your Mind: The Eastern Wisdom of Liberation"didn't read it lolits probably shitbought it before i discovered buddhismthe based buddhists say we're not one with the universe, or at least can't know, or it doesn't matter, or ending suffering is what matters, or idk
>>25007839>Just attain the Tao intuitively insteadrecs for that?
>>25008386
>>25007839>Repeats what the "banal hippie" said.>Hates boomers>Hates place he's never been>Hates "counter culture" (but doesn't know what that means)Your's is not the way.
