>openly defies the most powerful entity in existenceWould it be fair to say that Milton's Satan/Lucifer is the bravest character ever thought of?
Does Milton confuse the two in the book, or did this ass-hattery start in more recent times?
>>25010015>braveryretardation - prosocial - le good>cowardiceintelligence - antisocial - le badBecause satan opposes good (is le bad), he must be hecking cowardly. Or something like that, I don't know. Go ask some retard who believe in this shit.
>church doesn't condone Milton or Dante.So what is proper lore meant to be? Cause like every Christian takes these two guys as gospel
>>25010015Yes. "The courage never to submit." "Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven." And so on.>>25010020Lucifer (the morning star) has been Satan ever since Isiah. The fall of Satan is an etiological myth for the rise and descent of Venus in the sky.
>>25010036uhh the Catholic Church loves Dante
It's just reimagining him as a Byronic hero
>>25010015pretty sure Milton didn't invent him, or his slightly more aggressive friend
>>25010015Yeah, he's pretty based.
>>25010015The whole point of Paradise Lost is that Satan is fundamentally in error regarding his understanding of God, as well as himself. God is not a tyrant, that is Satan's own egoistic projection. God is the totality, the supreme creator that exists outside of and precedes creation.>The mind can create for itself a hell out of heaven, and a heaven out of hell. (Satan speaking in Paradise Lost)Here the error is showcased. What the world is goes beyond one's own created image of it. Satan glorifies his own ego as supreme.
>>25010594God made creation that failed to understand him, it is god's mistake.
>>25010719Why is it a "mistake"?
>>25010734>le god works in mysterious ways
>>25010756I want to understand what you think. Why is it a mistake? Your life is a mistake because you're not omniscient?
>>25010788It's a mistake because it lead to immense and incalculable suffering beyond all imagination, at least that's how the story goes. I'm curious though - what is "the plan" in creating fallible beings? Why are their interpretations of God's nature erroneous (implying God's nature is knowable)?
>>25010015Paradise Lost without the Satan sections is insanely mid and forgettable.
>>25010802I have no real idea what is going on, nobody does but I am grateful that it's happening instead of not. In the narrative framework of these stories they would frame it as not resenting God like Satan did in the poem. I have no problem with life including adversity and lack of knowledge, aka not being omnipotent or omniscient. There is no way in which I would consider any of it a "mistake", mistakes are human and the concept makes no sense in this context.
>>25010809>God doesn't make mistakes because God doesn't make mistakes because God doesn't make mistakes...Perfect circle
>>25010812You made the claim and can't back it up in any way. It's an opinion but what does it mean if not that you resent not being omniscient and omnipotent?
>>25010815Sorry but, "back up" what? My opinion was on your interpretation of this fanfic about Genesis. I don't actually believe in God, and I certainly don't "resent" not being God (whatever that would imply).
about as brave as someone jumping off a bridge to defy gravity
>>25010826You are completely illiterate.
yes, a thought to a thought.
>>25010015According to Milton himself, Paradise Lost was communicated to him by what he regarded as supernatural agency. To put the matter in simple terms: it was not the Holy Ghost that dictated Paradise Lost, the poem which has caused more unhappiness, to the young especially, than any other in the language, but Satan the protagonist, demon of pride.
>>25010874Typical quick to anger Christcuck
>>25010015Or the dumbest. The truth is, in Paradise Lost, Satan must defy God in order for God to create Earth. You can argue that his fall was preordained far before he ever thought of usurping heaven.
>>25010931ive always been interested in the idea of god requiring his creations to rebel against him. kazantzakis has a couple works dealing with it: sodom and gomorrah and the last temptation of christ. in sodom and gomorrah, lot gets fed up with god and starts to openly defy him and god tells him that he loves the little humans with their own ways of thinking and finds it entertaining that they would try to go against his will. in the last temptation of christ, judas is the most serious and committed of the disciples and jesus asks him to be the betrayer because he doesnt trust anybody else to actually go through with it.
>>25010719Christianity is schizophrenic because it tried to merge inherently unknowable chaos with a very personal sky father.This is how you get retarded contradictions ideas like “god contains everything” and “god is only good” or “god is unknowable” and “god wants you to do X, he said so”.
>>25010267No way
>>25010126I heard that Lucifer was actually the epithet of some unrelated king that Isaiah was criticizing or prophesying the downfall of or something
>>25010015Nimrod, the "First Atheist", was a Chad too. Satan and him should had team up.
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>>25011823>>25011815https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_the_UniverseImagine Yahweh's seething when a human had the audacity to call himself King of the Universe, instead of Yahweh. Based.
