Would Nietzsche say 4chan users are Last Men?
>>25013286last men specifically lie and say they are happy, so fuck no
>>25013286I am the last man. I am also suffering from crippling Oblomovism, some of it is my nature but a lot of it is being on Methadone for over a year, I am only 25 but I don't lust for life anymore, I have a girlfriend of 3 years and I love her and we still fuck a lot but I don't feel that much. I read a lot and I learn a lot, but I don't feel a lot. I failed my final year of University last year and am about to re-take the next two terms, and I want to succeed, and graduate, and live differently. But last year I just buried my head in the sand, my stress-response became ignore, distract, find contentment. And that cycle hasn't worked.
>>25013370Nice blog post faggot
>>25013286If you look at 4chan meetup pics - even for /fa/ and /fit/, which are supposed to be looks-based boards - you can see how ugly the typical 4channer is. The typical 4channer becomes a sanctimonious tradcuck because that's all his looks allow.
>>25013286Get assraped retard
>>25013370That seems pretty young to be someone's gf. Is she like your daughter or something?
>>25013400>meetupsLike in protests you will only get the most dysgenic retards. Doesn't matter what the subject is.
>>25013438Kek, I worded it like a retard. She's 22
>>25013422He's in the thread, the actual Last Man. I've seen him in multiple threads now seething about how much he loves AIDS using the exact same language.
>>25013286I am an ubermensch.
>>25013286The Last Man is the First Chud
>>25013400The typical human being is ugly, so that’s to be expected.
>>25013286Nietzsche was a Last Man. The Overman is the fever dream of the Last Man as he realizes his plight.>>25013298True, but Nietzsche's analysis is blinkered by his attempts to protect his own ego. He is identifying a target for scorn and so I think he misses a rather obvious insight: "won't some Last Men realize what they have become and become horrified and strike out in search of thymos (recognition, honors)?"The way men now consume weapons, tactical gear, off-road trucks for their office commute, the entire sheep dog aesthetic, etc.—consooming your way back to masculinity and thymos—is exactly what you'd expect to see here. Men pack themselves into air conditioned gyms and start "carnivore diets" ("like my ancestors") of all pre-butchered factory meat and fetishize "warrior aesthetics." So you get the fetishization of certain aesthetics, crusaders, ancient Greeks, Rome, but in a shallow consumerist way, where there is no deeper engagement with classical culture and metaphysics. Indeed, the champions of pre-modern aesthetics often tend to be hardcore nominalists totally bought into the idea of a wholly instrumental reason/science, the Baconian mastery of nature, etc. Its a modern movement with a pre-modern skin, and its core ideology remains conservative liberalism (really neoliberalism, despite the fact that they use this term as a slur for progressive liberals).This is particularly acute in America where Protestant identity is so closely wed to liberalism that Christian nationalism ends up being this sort of self-undermining modernite ideology that simply asserts Christianity (as post-Reformation Protestantism and Catholicism) as a sort of identity politics. This is why you can see Christian Nietzcheans and Christian advocates of "might makes right," all centered on the modern definition of freedom as power/potency instead of the self-determining capacity to actualize the Good.The lost souls who look to Tyler Durden as a sort of hero, or to warrior aesthetics, etc. are often just the same soiboy Reddit Last Men only they have become aware of their plight. But no one has led them out of the very ideology that leads to Last Manism, so they simply recreate it, or struggle to "accelerate" the destruction of their own polity because there is this idea that war or collapse will somehow transform them into heros or make them more free.
>>25013525i disagree, the last man is a real phenomenon.
>>25013525>The lost souls who look to Tyler Durden as a sort of heroAre not what Nietzsche described as the Last Man but part of the wider decay that leads us there. They are still trying to resist, to claw back some power. Basically the more they sperg out the better according to Nietzsche, they should die exploring dangerous territory until that one out of a million explorers stumbles on to the way out.
>>25013525>So you get the fetishization of certain aesthetics, crusaders, ancient Greeks, Rome, but in a shallow consumerist way, where there is no deeper engagement with classical culture and metaphysics. Indeed, the champions of pre-modern aesthetics often tend to be hardcore nominalists totally bought into the idea of a wholly instrumental reason/science, the Baconian mastery of nature, etc. Its a modern movement with a pre-modern skin, and its core ideology remains conservative liberalism (really neoliberalism, despite the fact that they use this term as a slur for progressive liberals).Well, the problem here is that Nietzsche, BAP, etc. conveniently hide "real tradition" prior to periods where we have lots of sources and a good idea about their thought. Hence, Plato, Aristotle, the Stoics, and certainly the late-antique synthesis represented by figures like Boethius can all be dismissed as "corruptions." Likewise, people appeal to the Vikings, pre-Christian northern Europe, etc. They can read the primary epics in a more voluntarist direction because there aren't other sources to say "you're reading modern ideology into these texts."But I think they *are* reading modern ideology into these texts, particularly freedom as power. There is a recognition in Homer that if arete is limited to martial prowess it is ultimately empty. Achilles in Hades says he would rather be the slave of a poor peasant than be dead. His shield shows an endless and pointless closed loop of war and peace. The Gods do not, as modernites claim, show that finitude gives human life meaning. Rather they show that insufficient virtues and power remain meaningless even when spun up to immortal time spans and superhuman power. Rather, it is logos, and Odysseus' orientation to his oikos (his duty) that gives him purpose beyond the pleasures found with Calypso.This is even more clear in the Aeneid with Aeneas' orientation towards pietas. Just consider the historical, teleological orientation his shield. Yet Virgil is skeptical about man's capacity to be oriented to logos long term in this way. That's why the Divine Comedy is the capstone of the epic tradition in resolving these tensions. Whereas Milton represents the creeping degeneration of modernity due to mechanism and voluntarism (Satan becomes a hero for later readers because they have come to see potency as freedom and potency, matter, as fundamental to actuality).A lot of neo-tradition is just modernism in disguise that hides itself before there are clear sources. Hence, it misses the obvious ancient concern with become a "slave to the passions" or a "slave to vice, ignorance," etc. Only when one discounts this sort of worst slavery does one start to think of violent raiders as some sort of paragon of freedom, as opposed to merely being reduced to the level of brutes.
>>25013286No, he'd call us Hyperboreans
>>25013400You could take a random sampling of any given city street and 7 in 10 people will be "unattractive", why do you think beauty is a sought after commodity?
>>25013538I don't think that post disagrees, it is just pointing out that there are slightly self-aware Last Men who rebel against their state while ironically doubling down on the ideologies that lead to Last Manism.
>>25013703what is the point in using "last man" to refer to a separate phenomenon, especially when the defining characteristic of the last man is pretending to be fine with everything? i think it's you two who don't understand what nietzsche's objection to the last man is
>>25013716Because it's a two step process. First they are Last Men, then they become aware of what they have become and rebel. PUA and Manosphere forums and blogs back in the day (and today) were full of "conversion stories" about how happy cuck nice guys realized that they were being scammed and had to become alpha Chad outlaw bikers.Think about Bernard from A Brave New World. He IS a Last Man, as his society made him. But because he is ugly and women don't like to fuck him during orgy hour he gets butthurt and wakes up to his own degradation, but only to a slight degree. He still thinks sex and sensible goods are best, he is just butthurt that the Alphas get more. Huxley has wonderfully predicted this trend. Bernard is still bovine like a Last Man, he just is knocked out of his consoomption stupor by lack of recognition from foids.
>>25013746then your definition and huxley's portrayal have no relation to nietzsche's concept of a last man-i find brave new world insipid anyway
>>25013746>But because he is ugly and women don't like to fuck him during orgy hour he gets butthurt and wakes up to his own degradation,You're projecting. Every post you made is about you. I liked that book when I was 20 and nothing even close to this interpretation ever occurred to me, like going to PUA forums.
>>25013773Bud, this is like the very basics of the text.
>>25013815He wants real love not orgies.
>>25013746>First they are Last Men, then they become XYZIn that case, they were never ‘Last Men’ to begin with. Regardless, this whole conversation is stupid. This ‘Last Man’-archetype is just a general sketch of a personality that has always existed. The idea that the entirety of men will turn to either this mind state or supposed set of values is retarded as people are vastly different and not at all built the same. Mainstream come and go and usually exist primarily within the mind of people claiming to be different. A clear example are the ‘men who follow a carnivore diet and fetishize warrior aesthetics’ as described by some anon in this thread, which correlates much with a detached image of reality than a supposed wave of men who actually live and think like this.
>>25013825*Mainstream trends
>>25013825The Last Man isn't an archetype; if it was it would just be a constellation of vices. It's a product of historical change in which Christian morales outlive Christianity within the context of modern market economies (and here Nietzsche's analysis is skewed because he backwards projects the products of the Protestant pietism he is most familiar with and the intersection of Christianity with mass politics and market forces back in time onto medieval and ancient Christianity, where it doesn't quite fit.)>>25013821He's an Alpha who doesn't fit the Alpha mold (hence the snide jibes that alcohol has been mixed into his decanter). Once he gains status from his interactions with John he goes on the pursue all those goods he rejected as sour grapes when he was unable to attain them due to his flaws. Unlike Foster, he bemoans being sent to live in the Galt's Gulch escape valve the society has set up for exceptional individuals because he doesn't actually have a passion for the arts, science, etc. Rather, it was his deformities that had set him apart.
>>25013286to even use the internet you have to be a genius. if nessie would be reincarnated today he'd be another retarded boomer unable to check his email.
camel > lion > child explains his ideas better than the than last man/overman concept
>>25013883You really believe it was a story about some guy sperging out about your exact personal insecurities? The society described is fine except it doesn't let ugly guys be "alphas"? Who the fuck are you retards?
>>25013989JFC Anon, they are called Alphas in the fucking book; it's not a reference to PUA shit. They have castes from Alpha to Gamma. No wonder you found the book "insipid" you barely paid attention to it.
>>25014151You frame it as PUA shit. It was caste shit and the point of the book was not that the mc was insecure about his social status or what caste he was in.>you found the book "insipid" What are you even talking about retard? Who are you quoting you subhuman pickup artist faggot?
>>25013286No. Redditors, gay race Marxists, troons, and bing bing wahoo Nintendo switch basedboys are the last men.
>>25013486DUMB cat, YWNBAU (you will never be a ubermensch)
>>25014212I am an ubermensch and therefore ignore your opinion as it is worthless within my value system.
[Assume greentext]Excuse me a moment while I talk about Gamergate. Google it if it's new to you.So. Until you've had the experience of trying it, most of us assume that if you tell someone they are being exploited, they will respond somewhat positively. But they don't. Mostly if you tell someone they are in an exploitative relationship, or job, or worse, they1. go into denial2. get very angryGamergate is recorded as either a "hate group" or a "campaign for honesty in video game reviewing". Don't ask, both are basically nonsense. Gamergate was a collision of two things happening online in the early 2010s, when online culture was in a more formative stage.Thing 1 was gamer culture, largely made up of boys and young men.Thing 2 was cultural criticism, which was becoming a popular form of online "content".So the thing to understand about Gamergate is that when gamer culture started seeing critique of video games, they basically had no idea what they were seeing.Most people living a consumerist lifestyle rarely or never encounter critique of what they are consuming. And that's especially true of young people in very consumer driven activities like gaming.So when gamers began encountering intersectional feminist critique of video games, they freaked out and bombarded the critics with abuse. But what I realized at the time was that the gamers were in the kind of denial/anger response I described above. Because what the criticism was really telling them is that the games industry is exploitative, and gamers are the exploited.Yes, I know, there are good gaming experiences, indie game makers etc. But as an industry, gaming is something like a cross between drug dealers and gambling cartels. They make a very addictive product that extracts money from its customers at very high speeds. Gamers don't want this news. But really gaming is not much worse than most consumer culture. We live in the midst of a very exploitative culture, that sells crap food and pedals addictions and really does almost anything, no matter how harmful, if it turns a profit.And that's really the point I'm trying to get to.
>>25014229This is an interesting analysis, but did the initial targets of gamergate vocally come out against the industry's practices in the way you describe? I remember it being squarely boys vs girls culture war outrage against kind pedestrian sophomore level feminist critique.
>>25014229>>25014360I remember feminist frequency being all about how video games are only made for men, and how over sexualized women are in video games, and how we need more female devs and all that shit. It also extended to comics and stuff. The whole fight was about "this is a male oriented/dominated space", with the guys wanting to keep it that way and the girls trying to change it. I don't recall there ever being any discourse about the industry exploiting workers and consumers. It's also when the whole anti-white straight male thing started with video games. It's fussy now, but I think this is when trannies starting becoming a lot more present.There was also something about a video game made by a woman getting good reviews because she fucked someone or some shit.
>>25014386The two factions are:1. Gamers, apolitical nerds who lean classically liberal and completely support women making games for women.2. Like five completely insane cunts lecturing gamers about how they have to tailor all their games to these five cunts who happen to have a media platform because they fucked some dudes.
