Why isn't Islamic literature part of the Western Canon? The West literally uses the numbers of Arabs. Why can't it read their books?
>>25020127It's a part of the Desert Quadrilogy >>25019017
>>25020127Outside of the Koran is there anything of note?
It's possible to incorporate things from another culture without going head over heels.IE Islamic countries drive cars, use computers, use fractional reserve banking, use the Gregorian calendar (for business).
>>25020127You mean the hindu numbers which predate islam by thousands of years?
>>25020196I remember liking conference of birds
>>25020196rose garden (gulistan) by sadi is great. conference of the birds as already mentioned.
>>25020127Voltaire wrote a play shitting on Mohammedans. Protesting British converts got it shut down after threatening him.
>>25020243I have that
>>25020366So this is the power of atheism...whoa
Arabic numerals are actually indian and islam doesn't really have a tradition of belles-lettres in the same vein that the west does. Spengler speaks about this somewhere, I think, that because of the immense prestige semitic peoples regard their holy texts with, there is this general attitude that literature is not really a worthy pursuit because what's the point when the Koran or the Torah, the "perfect texts" have already been written and anything you might come up with would be inferior to them.
>>25020196Arab nights, also known as 1001 nights
>>25020243>>25020298>>25020435What else?
>>25020127> Why isn't Islamic literature part of the Western Canon?Because Islam forms its own distinct culture that is a hybrid of east and west while being reducible to neither, and because for most of the history there was little western awareness of Islamic literature outside of limited engagement with Islamic philosophy by specialist authors/theologians who did not represent the average literati.>>25021101Muqaddimah is an interesting work of medieval history and sociology.Ibn Arabi’s Akbari school and related authors (Qunawi, Jami, al-Jili) have a large corpus of writings that do a deep dive into metaphysics and mysticism, ranging from descriptions of revelatory experiences to systematic philosophy.Rumi, Shabestari and Hakim Sanai have great Sufi poetry that deal with timeless spiritual truths that are applicable even to non-Muslims.
Fitzgerald's Rubaiyat basically is
>>25021129I am "muslim" western convert "quranist"
>>25020366Napoleon also thought that play was shit and said during his exile it proved his belief that Voltaire was a moron
>>25021267Napoleon was also an infamous muzboo
The term "Islamicate" is used to describe the common culture between Islamic countries across languages and religions and it is way too foreign to western culture and distinct, just like Charles Dickens, despite being the favorite author of the terrorist Anwar Awlaki, has no presence in the Islamicate canon. The only one exception is in Eastern Europe where there are many indigenous Muslims which did influence Russian literature, for example Pushkin wrote a cycle of poetry about Muhammad in the style of the Quran, although he didn't believe in Islam at all. But he was exposed a lot to it culturally because it was an enemy of the culture of the Russian Empire
>>25021274A total mystery
>>25021101not literature per se but ibn arabi's jewels/bezels of wisdom
>>25020196If you learn persian there’s a ton that are really up there. But Persian is a very delicate language that gets ruined with translation but if you know persian it’s really fun.
>>25020127>Why isn't Islamic literature part of the Western Canon?Because it’s not Christian.
Because of islam you retard. 'The west' is a cooked up jew idea to make the goyim abandon kinship ties and replace their ethnic identity with concepts, namely christianity. Islam acted as the necessary dualist foil within this system, much like how democrats and republicans are exactly the same but allow for an other that keeps people within the system.
>>25020127When the orientalists of the 19th century seized upon Arab lands all they found was Koranic commentaries and sex manuals tinged with homosexuality.
>>25020127They did, they use science & philosophers from Islamic Caliphates like Al-Razi or Ibn Sina, they just didn't use the Islamic religion since it was incompatible with Christianity. >>25020366Ironically that play was also an attack on the Catholic Church, but criticizing Catholicism was banned in France at the time. So he just attacked the next religion he didn't like, which was Islam. Voltaire attacked two religions in one with his play.>>25022111Take meds
>>25020435They are mostly shitty stories about short dick arabs scared about being cucked by african faggots, i doubt the arabs would be proud of the arabian nights as peak literature
>>25022149No, he's right, except both religions are actually true
When people started considering themselves westerners, what do you think they considered themselves west of?
>>25022149>Ibn SinaModern western thought begins with the act of rejecting his work and that of the Christians who copied him.
>>25021606neither were the greeks or romans
>>25022315???Modern Western thought begins with Medieval Scholasticism where Christian Theologians agreed it's fine to use Non-Christian works if it helps them understand the world better. It's the seed that would grow into the Renaissance and later the Scientific Revolution. Europe would have easily ended up as the Christian version of the Middle East if they didn't accept the intellectual works from Non-Christian cultures.
>>25022526>Modern Western thought begins with Medieval ScholasticismNo it begins with Descartes' rejection of them. All intellectual progress that the human race has experienced comes from his realization that the best way to engage with these so-called thinkers is to ignore them entirely.
>>25022173How many nights did you read?
>>25021274So was Frederick II of Hohenstaufen and Kaiser Wilhelm II. I can't think of anyone else.
>>25023323Gibbon gave an enormous amount of coverage to Islamic civilization in the Decline and Fall
>>25023323Goethe larped as a Shia. I think Churchill almost converted when he was young. And the 19th century was full of orientalist weirdos. Being a that kind of guy was only possible during the period between the siege of Vienna and 9/11. It was a time when Islam and Muslim society was no longer a threat and could safely be a subject of fascination.
>>25020127Islam isn't all that great in my opinion. If you want to be a violent warlord, enslave people, have multiple wives and countless sex slaves... I mean concubines and all that other Muslim stuff, then go and read Islamic literature, Including the Koran.>>25020368I don't think Voltaire is an athiest.
>>25023503He was a deist, basically atheism before Evolution Theory was accepted within the scientific community
>>25020127>we count with arabic numerals, why don't we commit jihad???Learn about socialism and you'll have your answer, the reactionaries are in power.
>>25025025A Deist believes God exists, Athiests believe there is no God.
>>25020127Because islam isnt quite eastern or western afaik Whats islam's stance on individuality vs collectivism?
I'd argue Averroes is part of the western canon.
>>25020127Arabic numbers aren't even Arabic, they're Indian. Same with Damascus steel
>>25020127>Western canonBecause they're not Western? >The West literally uses the numbers of ArabsThose are Hindu numerals.>Their booksBecause their books are terrible. 1000 and 1 nights has a frame story of an Arab guy being cucked by his slave. There are like 3 separate stories like that in 1000 and 1 nights alone. I have no idea what their problem is
Muslims don't really write fiction, so their "literature" is almost entirely nonfiction, and the vast, VAST majority of it is about the Koran or Mohammed or both. Even the commentaries that the Muslims wrote on the classical Greek philosophers were entirely focused on reconciling them with the Koran. The only non-Koranic writings the Muslims produced are made redundant by western writings on the same topics (such as the natural sciences). There's not much writing that is unique to the Islamic world that is worth reading if you are not a Muslim or trying to learn more about Muslims in particular. Westerners have no use for Koranic treatises and apologetics, so that just leaves the handful of essays into the natural sciences which the west were able to eventually make on their own.
