>Says he's at 1,100 pages for TWoW, unclear how many more to go>Jon Snow seemingly confirmed to have TWOW chapters>Began writing two Dunk & Egg stories earlier last year>Called his relationship with Condal "abysmal"
>>25020944>fantasyslop No thanks.
>>25020944>if I can just get some of these other things off my backThose other things? Playing with toys.
>>25020944You have a containment thread for this shit
>>25020944>I could finish the Winds of Winter pretty soonLmaoJust lmao
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/george-rr-martin-interview-thrones-winds-dragon-knight-1236473519/Notable excerpts> “I never thought I’d live to be 77,” Martin says. “I’m old, so I have some old-people stuff. My lower back hurts sometimes. I don’t like to stand around. But I feel OK. Maybe you should make that your headline: ‘George R.R. Martin Is Not Dying.'”> But one idea is an offspring of the most intriguing of all the post-Thrones pitches — the scrapped Jon Snow sequel. Martin long has resisted sequels to Thrones because the ending of his Ice and Fire books is not going to align with the show and he wants to avoid further canonizing Thrones‘ controversial ending — even though he hasn’t written his own yet. “[The book’s ending is] going to be significantly different,” Martin says. “Some characters who are alive in my book are going to be dead in the show, and vice versa.”>In August, Martin was on an author panel at WorldCon when a fan asked a stunningly rude question. Martin typically enjoys such events. He likes communing with fellow creatives and meeting fans. He’ll do book signings for hours, autographing a thousand copies. Martin notes fans are always exceedingly nice when he meets them in person.>The WorldCon panel was taking audience questions when somebody asked Martin if he would let another writer finish The Winds of Winter because “you’re not going to be around for much longer.”>The audience booed. Martin felt like he’d been slapped. When he looked online to see the reaction, he was dismayed to find some fans saying he deserved it. “They say, ‘He lied to us, he is going to die soon, look how old he is,’ ” Martin says. Even now, months later, the author looks rattled. “I really didn’t need that shit,” he says. “Nobody needs that shit.”> Martin says he has around 1,100 manuscript pages finished. He’s also said the number for a while. He long has blamed the endless distractions that have come from shifting from a full-time author to a producer and celebrity. The success of Thrones was both the best thing that could have happened to Martin and the worst thing that could have happened to the greatest story he ever wrote.> Here’s what happens when he sits down to write: “I will open the last chapter I was working on and I’ll say, ‘Oh fuck, this is not very good.’ And I’ll go in and I’ll rewrite it. Or I’ll decide, ‘This Tyrion chapter is not coming along, let me write a Jon Snow chapter.’ If I’m not interrupted though, what happens — at least in the past — is sooner or later, I do get into it.”
>>25020954I reckon it will be finished in about 2 weeks time
>When the pandemic hit, Martin tried going to a literal cabin in the woods to finish Winter. That was a prolific stretch, he says, resulting in many new chapters. But it took him away from his longtime partner, Parris McBride (they met in the 1970s and tied the knot in 2011), and even Martin’s forced-isolation effort ran into creative troubles. “I wrote a Tyrion chapter I just loved,” he recalls. “Then I looked at it and said: ‘I can’t do this, it will change the whole book. I’ll make this into a series of dreams. No! That doesn’t work either …'”>I ask Martin if he’s ever considered simply giving up on the book. It’s your life, George, I say. You don’t have to spend it working on something if you find it torturous.>“I would hate that,” Martin says. “It would feel like a total failure to me. I want to finish.”>Handing the project to another writer — which some fans have lobbied for him to do — isn’t going to happen, Martin says. There is also no secret contingency plan for somebody else to take over if Martin gets struck by lightning. “If that happens, my work won’t be finished,” he says. “It’ll be like The Mystery of Edwin Drood” — referring to Charles Dickens’ unfinished final novel.>How much further does he have to go? Martin is vague. “If I wound up doing everything in my head, this could be the longest book in the series.”>After asking Martin repeatedly about Winds — seemingly more than he’d like — the author did what he does best. He tells a story.>In 1975, Martin met Dune author Frank Herbert at a book convention and they shared a drink. The meeting was “near the end of Herbert’s life,” Martin says. Herbert had written many acclaimed novels, but all fans seemed to want was more Dune. Herbert’s publisher had just offered him a modest advance for a story he wanted to write, or six times that number for another Dune novel.>“He didn’t like Dune anymore and he didn’t want to write any more Dune books,” Martin says. “But he felt locked in by the success of Dune, so he kept writing them.”>Martin finishes … and waits.>I ask: Do you relate to how Herbert felt?>“I’m not necessarily tired of the world [of Ice and Fire],” he says. “I love the world and the world-building. But, yes, I do.”
>Martin is waiting in front of his bookstore for a car that will take him home. When you walk into the store, the first several bookcases are full of Martin’s published works — which is more than you probably realize, especially when you add the dozens of anthologies he’s edited (like his popular Wildcards series). The shelf space devoted to the Ice and Fire books is, perhaps unsurprisingly, rather small.>A couple of fans had just presented Martin with a gorgeous custom-made dragon’s head cane. He thanked them and they had a chat. I wonder how he feels about being given a cane but don’t ask.>Martin’s thoughts turn, unprompted, to the end of Ice and Fire. It becomes clear that the details of his story’s conclusion, like so much of the saga, remains uncertain.>“I was going to kill more people,” he muses. “Not the ones they killed [in the show]. They made it more of a happy ending. I don’t see a happy ending for Tyrion. His whole arc has been tragic from the first. I was going to have Sansa die, but she’s been so appealing in the show, maybe I’ll let her live …”>His assistant’s car is coming. I ask what he’s doing for Christmas.>“I don’t know,” Martin says. “I think I’ll stay home. I have to write more Dunk and Egg. There’s supposed to be another Fire and Blood book, too. I do think if I can just get some of these other things off my back, I could finish The Winds of Winter pretty soon. It’s been made clear to me that Winds is the priority, but … I don’t know. Sometimes I’m not in the mood for that.”>He sighs. “I’m so far behind on everything.”
>>25020972>“It’ll be like The Mystery of Edwin Drood” — referring to Charles Dickens’ unfinished final novel.No, it won't be like that at all.
>>25020980>Sometimes I’m not in the mood for that."Sometimes" could refer to:>2012>2013>2014>2015>2016>2017>2018>2019>2020>2021>2022>2023>2024>2025and now>2026
>>25020985>14 yearsHe would literally rather die he's been hoping for it
>>25021012I get his pov, not being able to deliver due to difficulties, he's not at fault really. Completely natural. Or would people really pefer some Brandon Sanderson BS? I am sure GM could debase the writing but hasn't.
>>25020944He's been saying the same fucking line for SEVEN. FUCKING YEARS.THERE IS NO PROGRESS.THERE IS NO WINDS OF WINTER.GRRM IS A FAT ASS LAZY SACK OF HACK SHIT.LET IT GO.
>>25021121This.He’s talked about being around 3/4 done for the past 5 years.
>>25021045>he's not at faultyes he is, leaving people waiting for over a decade because "he's not in the mood" is ridiculous.>but le hecking Brandon SandersonKeeps to his schedule, whatever you may think of his writing. The debasing defense also doesn't work after Feast, that book was shit.
>>25020944>Publisher: 1,100 pages? Wow George, that's a lot of work. How many do you think it will it be once it's edited down?Gurm: Edited down? Uh, what's that again?
Why can't he realise that his entire world and legacy would be secure if he just left all the TV shit behind and stuck to writing? Nobody has ever thought a series was bad just because it had a shitty tv or movie adaption.
>>25020944We've all seen what may as well be the ending of GOT back in 2019. I say that because he'll croak before he ever finishes this book let alone the last one.
>>25020980>I do think if I can just get some of these other things off my back, I could finish The Winds of Winter pretty soon. It’s been made clear to me that Winds is the priority"Made clear to me"? No, it's more like you've been lying about that yourself for more than a decade but maybe you're too senile to remember?
>>25021231>Keeps to his schedule, whatever you may think of his writingThe slop writer keeps to his schedule because he has no standards. The Stephen King school of "eh good enough". > The debasing defense also doesn't workThe mormon can't write the series, can't emulate the tone and when asked, does not want to. I don't know why retards keep bringing him up. I bailed on Wheel of Time long before the author died but at least he set up a succession plan. George has nothing and is ALSO uninterested in someone else finishing it.Is it some kind of delusion that people keep bringing this up? You're more likely to end up reading Preston Jacob's fanfic as the "true ending" to the series than some other cunt finishing it officially.
I hope he never finishes. At this point it’s just funny.
>>25022327>GRRM is a fat retard fucking over his fans>"BUT SANDERSON THOUGH-"funny how that's all martinfags have left
>>25023074I didn't bring up Sanderslop. I don't know why he always figures in these discussions, but it's idiotic.
>>25021231>The debasing defense also doesn't work after Feast, that book was shitthat book was good though
>1,100 pagesThat's like four books. This guy really can't pace stories to save his life
>>Says he's at 1,100 pages for TWoW, unclear how many more to goHe said he had 1,100 before.Geg he's A. Editing and CUTTING down hundreds of pages at a time, and the final book will be the same size as Dance if only a bit bigger.B. He's lying again, most likely answer at this point, and nothing is finished or everything is, and either way he just doesn't want to release it. Winds never
>>25022082Because he's actually a TVfag. Writing for TV is what he started out with and the medium has an outsized importance in the sloppa he calls a brain.
>>25020980>It’s been made clear to me that Winds is the priority,AAAAHHHHH HOW FUCKING STUPID CAN YOU GETHow the fuck can it be non-obvious to a writer that the fucking mainline series is a priority over spinoffs?! YOU CAN DO THOSE WHENEVER GURM YOU MONG
I threw away his books because I simply don't care anymore and I'm not going to waste a year rereading them just to refresh on all the spinning plates.
Start this series when I was an innocent young lil virgin now I'm just a virgin.
1100 pages of rough material for a book you're writing is like saying 3 hours of rough footage so far for a film you're making
>>25025047>mfw i only just now read the series and am very content not knowing what happens anywayDune was better.
>>25020960Yeah so the answer is what everyone thought, he isn't happy with any chapter he writes anymore, so he's just repeatedly rewriting and getting distracted by other things.The only interesting thing is that he's changed from being pissed off and saying "It'll be done when it's done," to being melancholy and saying he doesn't want to just give up.
>>25024792Hit the nail on the head. The same with that "gardening" approach and never-ending cliffhangers, he is writing the books the same way as writers write their TV shows. The TV writers don't even know for how many seasons their show will go on, they just make up shit for the next episode without any greater plans and hope for the best. That's why it's so common for TV shows to shit the bed in the end, they never plan in advance and milk series dry
this interview has honestly upset me>I have to write two more dunk and egg...no you don't you fucking faggot you need to finish the series that actually made you all your money so you can sit on your ass all day and complain how writing is hard like a fucking redditor oh and if he drops dead don't expect anything but a bunch of notes hahahaha fuck you GRRM what kind of fucked up bdsm are you into that you treat your "fans" like thisI fucking hate this guy now. He lives the fucking dream and spent the last two decades wasting it with amateur-level writing mistakes (seriously? rewriting a chapter the next day because he "doesn't like it"). I try not to be a jealous person but I'm seriously questioning whether he deserved any of his success if this is how it's going to end.
>>25022327I'd rather he just take his time desu, even if it takes many more years. I've learned this as an /a/non.
>>25025164Where does all this bitterness come from?
>>25025172seeing a man live the writer's dream and waste it, then treat the people that put him there (the fans) with spite and disregard, and being too arrogant to ask for help when he's clearly struggling. A creative block is one thing but this is all pure ego, and I can't stand that kind of arrogance from somebody given the dream on a silver fucking plate. That's where it comes from. It's also fucking ironic that the most famous writer in our illiterate era can't finish a book.
>>25025179That's his, and what you have is yours, don't let it bother you.
>>25020944he is so shameless, why cant he just admit its never getting done?
>>25025189I can't help it. Every time I accept that it's over he comes out again and whines and it triggers the fuck out of me. If he had a little less ego he'd ask for help. We don't get to live in the timeline with a finished ASOIAF and it upsets me.
>>25022082>>25024792This, if you read his blog, he always wanted to be a screenwriter, you can imagine how thrilled he was when they wanted to turn asoiaf into a TV show. He watched them slowly fuck it up and now he just has to salvage it with the books and he cant be bothered.
>>25025179>seeing a man live the writer's dream and waste it, then treat the people that put him there (the fans) with spite and disregardNTA but it's an open secret that ASoIaF was always bitter rage bait and subversive towards the fantasy genre. GRRM has always hated his fans. He made his series to bait retarded women into reading it to just to get shocked when instead of whimsy they get the main character being beheaded in book 1. The problem is it blew up in popularity.How do you even "ruin" it now?The answer is simple. Don't finish it. Keep saying you will but never do.George's dream was never to win, it was never to get rich, it was always to piss as many people off as possible, and he was smart enough to figure out the knot of "winning" by giving up.If you truly love George and all that A Song of Ice and Fire stand for... what they ACTUALLY stand for... you'll hope it never gets finished.
>>25020954He’s been saying that since 2016. This is just embarrassing at this point
>>25025164>I'm seriously questioning whether he deserved any of his successOf course he didn't. Look how fat he is.
>>25025179>It's also fucking ironic that the most famous writer in our illiterate era can't finish a book.That's not irony, that's just consistent. Irony would be a guy in an illiterate era being an insanely prolific genius, but not being able to get any money or recognition for it because nobody cares.
>>25025204>Every time I accept that it's over he comes out again and whines and it triggers the fuck out of me.Don't listen to that little bitch Anon, Anon. You're completely right to feel this way. Even if we agreed to pretend that there's nothing wrong with him being comically incompetent on purpose, the whining would still be utterly contemptible and galling.
>>25025206to be honest, he slowly fucked up. He was supposed to finish the books before they got to that part.
>>25020960>Some characters who are alive in my book are going to be dead in the show, and vice versaHere is the problem. His whole view of depth and intrigue involve who lives and who dies. It's the M Night, Rian Johnson mode of thinking, what a tweeest! Subverted you expectations, have I? Fat hack
>>25020972>I can’t do this, it will change the whole bookOh no, can't have that
>>25020980>“I was going to kill more people,” he muses. “Not the ones they killed [in the show].> was going to have Sansa die, but she’s been so appealing in the show, maybe I’ll let her live …”He's become a parody of himself
>>25020944Wake me up when Bakker gives us an update on the No god
>>25020944Why do these boomer authors place such high value on their shit being adapted?Focus on your writing legacy being peak instead of making more goyslop for the normies.
>>25026826He's a TV writer. He wants to see boobs.
>>25026840He surely has erectile dysfunction by now
