>mfw I live in the grimdark 14th century instead of the glorious Roman past
>tfw in the middle of your life in a dark wood
>>25020967>18th century>I am forgotten
>>25020967Guys like him were being ruled by some rich noble family (AKA gilded warlords) that were constantly feuding over the noble family in the next city, and they were SURROUNDED by ancient ruins that looked like they were built by giants. Who wouldn't be a massive romaboo in those days?
>>25022176bro Gothic cathedrals were pretty impressive Petrarch wasn't living in the migration period
>>25022566You're right Petrarch was living in the High Middle Ages and they had impressive castles and cathedrals at the time. But every intellectual of his time thought the Romans were better and for good reason. >A continental-wide empire with 200 years of peace >Giant megacities that were home to hundreds of thousands or even MILLIONS of people >A professional standing army of disciplined soldiers that was unstoppableEven today we find that shit fascinating. Now just imagine some Medieval guy in the 14th century where there's 5000 petty kingdoms & republics that's being carried by their army of mercenaries and knights and they're in a state of never ending war. I almost forgot the 14th century was the Black Death...so yeah not a good time.
>>25022632>A continental-wide empire with 200 years of peaceDefine "peace"
>>25023319Well the pax Romana was quite peaceful if you were a Roman.
I lost interest in the Romans after reading the Aeneid. It’s hard to like a people who thought that the greatest virtue was not having a personality.The Italians of the renaissance were far more interesting and thoughtful people.
>>25023352A small set of Romans felt the "peace"
>>25023463No, everyone felt the peace. What I assume you meant to say is that only a small set of Romans truly felt its benefits.
>>25023474>felt the peaceFor 90% of the population (peasants and slaves, your ancestors), this meant the same thing in both the roman and medieval eras. Work on lord's farm, pay taxes, hope the soldiers don't kill/rape/vandalize you, and perform religious rites at heavy costs. Roman structures were impressive for the few that actually did dwell in them, they were a pain in the broken ass for the slaves (again, your ancestors, and yes the slaves were white too) to build, maintain and repair at the lord's command.
>>25020967There isn't anything worth liking about the roman empire. They were a bunch of cruel, efficient savages and then after a few years at most each of them individually died out anyway. And then some idiot came along and preached some other form of stupidity which was just as equally contemptible as the roman empire itself. All human endeavor is futile, and the saving grace of the human condition is that where it really counts, everyone is made equal again after just a few years, and returns to the nothingness from which they came.
>>25020971In Petrarch's poetry, dark wood IN YOU
>>25025046You're just making shit up. It meant peace, which also meant they were terrified of the barbarians when they started raiding, a fear they didn't feel toward the legions. In Rome even degenerate slobs got free bread and olive oil. In the 14th century an average pleb had most of his time free and a healthy diet.Many slaves seem to have counted themselves lucky to be part of the peace instead of the constant conflict outside the borders of Rome. In the 14th century Christian slavery was rare.
>>25023474Soldiers getting picked off, slaves toiling, one dude gums his peeled grapes and writes poetic about the "pax romana" and fool all these years later buy it.Empires "civilizations" are never going to bring peace. They require war, poverty, slavery, discord to survive, and they always die by it. >>25025087Naw, he's read books before. Get offline and read some yourself.
>>25025832You are historically illiterate.
>>25025835Read a book.
>>25025849What book retard? None of them support any of your deranged commie fantasies.
>Dare to consider anyone else but the 0.0001% elites of the past and you're a "commie".>And any book no matter how scholarly will be rejected as "commie" as quickly.Sickly little cowards and their Great Man historical narrative.
>>25025869>can't even pretend to think or readgreat job retard
>>25025869Roman citizens enjoyed a much higher quality of life than medieval peasants.
>>25025896Famous for dying in their 50s from all the dust and unsanitary shit.Medieval peasants? If pressed too hard by some thugs that tax him or the bad weather, sure, but generally the countryside was the more healthy environment. Want a book for that? Horace's stuff for one.
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>>25025852>>25025835Ah yes, name calling, truly the most enlightened of discourse worthy of /lit/.We know you've run out of shitty arguments, take your failed attempts at bait somewhere else.
>>25026264They had PUBLIC TOILETS and FREE BREAD and PAVED ROADS
>>25026264Only paved roads were constructed almost everywhere throughout the empire, and the roads were rebuilt by the medievals once they had staved off the barbarian raids and created some measure of stability. The other two weren't present throughout the empire, only in major cities that your average peasant/slave could not use.
>>25026277reply for >>25026269
>>25020967Childhood is seeing Western civilization as fundamentally Greco-Roman.Adulthood is recognizing Western Civilization as the continuation of Medieval culture.
