Even christcucks like kierkegaard didn't believe in objective morality so idk why modern day cuckcath LARPers harp on about that shit. Moral failings only affect you if you actually care about that shit.Murder is nothing more than the displacement of atoms if you see it as that. You will only receive bad karma if you dwell on it and care, causing your cortisol to spike and your flesh from within. Why didn't that nigga Dostoevsky figure that out? Guess he wasn't smart. Raskolnikov should've just not cared
>>25034602What kind of person are you?
>>25034628a winner
>>25034602Based.
Christianity isn’t a religion its a dogmatic ideology like communism. Religion is an organic relationship to life and one’s duty. You can’t get it from outsourcing all your thinking to bishop kikestein
Ashtavakra ends his Gita with a litany of self-dismissive questions, all of them utterly rhetorical. "What is good or evil? Life or death? Freedom or bondage? Illusion or the world? Creation or dissolution? The Self or the not-Self ?" The Sanskrit literally asks "where?" rather than "what?" "Where is the little soul, or God Himself?" Within the ever-fulfilled and ubiquitous Self there is no place for these — or any — distinctions.There is no place even for spiritual enquiry. "Who is the seeker?"Ashtavakra asks. "What has he found? What is seeking or the end ofseeking?" These final questions dissolve even the voice which asksthem. "Who is the disciple, and who the master?" With this lastgesture of self-erasure, the nameless master is finally free to declarehis real identity, which he shares unconditionally with all beings.For I have no bounds.I am Shiva.Nothing arises in me.In whom nothing is single,Nothing is double.Nothing is,Nothing is not.What more is there to say?
>>25034754>Christianity isn’t a religion its a dogmatic ideology like communism. Religion is an organic relationship to life and one’s duty. That is what Christianity is all about. Having relationship with Christ and communing with the Holy Spirit regarding ephemeral life and help navigating it so that we may become a light to all nations.>The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the SpiritThe Holy Spirit will guide you in order to carry out the will of God through you>continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.In the Book of Acts we read that Christianity is thought of as "the Way" and Christians refered to themselves as "followers of The Way (of our Lord)".>so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem.>But some of them became obstinate; they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way.>I persecuted the followers of this Way to their death>However, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect.>Then Felix, who was well acquainted with the WayFollowing the Way isn't a dogmatic philosophy or a set of church teachings. That is not how you follow the Way. This is how:>You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.And this is a continuous process which one must constantly go through. This process is called sanctification. You must constantly pray to the Holy Spirit and folllow the Way of Christ by doing good and thus being good.>And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever>Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you>For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.>And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.The Holy Spirit is the love of God since the Holy Spirit is the Heart of God.>A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heartConstantly crucifying your fleshly desires and the soul and putting it to death and being reborned like Christ we lead to the fruits of the Holy Spirit.>But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.Before all this, you must accept Jesus Christ (Son of God) as your Lord and Saviour; accepting the free gift of Eternal Life.
>>25034602>dude, if you don't feel guilty you won't feel guiltyKeep your gibberish in your diary. This is worthless.
>>25034602Kierkegaard isn't the default Christian lol. Now I'll admit protestants have warped Christian morality to being very black and white. But sin is still sin, the only difference is Catholics believe God can use sin for good without approving of it. We definitely believe in objective morality though, and heaven, hell, angels and demons are all real.
>>25034872>This is what Christianity is all about. Having [total bullshit completely based in dogmatic ideology]You lying faggots literally can't even comprehend a worldview without your stupid assumptions let alone prove any of your tenets within said worldview.
>>25034754Christianity is a relationship with the Person of Jesus Christ, mediated through His Church.
>>25034941> argumentative reply> reply by "huh retard faggot "> lmaoo i owned him Are you slow ? Is Atheism killing ur brain buddy ?Didn't even try to start understanding, just the devil talking trough ur mouth?
>>25034951I'm siding with him on the literature board because you write like a nigger (or, what amounts to the same thing, a redneck).
>>25034602>Raskolnikov should've just not caredyeah no murder is intrinsically antisocial
I think Christianity needs to be purified from the miracles, as well as most of its mythological foundations. This person >>25034951 replying to an objection, blaming the Devil, is what I mean, it borders on subhumanity.The religion was better interpreted by the Romantics who saw sentiment and beauty in Christianity more than a set of dogmas and historical quarrels.
>>25034951>Is Atheism killing ur brain>forced to speak in physicalist terms
>>25035468shut the fuck up gaytheist faggot bitch
>>25035468>replying to objectionsThe objections were unsubstantiated and are akin to sending one on a wild goose chase. Did those "objections" (more like vague strawmen) make sense to you? Would you like to explicate with examples what he meant? Because it seemed to accuse us of a fault which is and can be found in any worldview if you're solipsistic enough.>Christianity needs to be purified How about you become purified instead? We know that darkness wants no place in the light and that the light has no place in darkness, but you are assuming from your being at odds with Christianity and self-righteousness that that necessarily puts you in the light rather than darkness.
>>25034602>lust provoking image>irrelevant time wasting question>>25034885>sourceI'm a bio grad, jungian, and humanist. I think morals have to be culturally bound or agreed upon, or pragmatic. I agree protestants are the ones who did this to us culturally. The real SIN they commited on people like me is convincing us that our conscience or guilt is objective and from the "holy spirit," and the answer is always to repent repent repent before the cross, because we deserve hellfire. Worms dangling above the abyss, disgusting to god's infinite holiness. (he made us though)The existence of heaven and hell and demons as matter-of-factly "real," is saying too much. I've spent A LOT time invoking and communing with spirits on psychedelics dabbling as a "neoshaman" (the only way to ACTUALLY do it, unless you're mentally ill!) and they seem to be autonomous psychic phenomenon in the collective or personal unconscious. Heaven and hell are symbolic constructs - extrapolation of infinite good and infinite bad. For it to be a binary thing based on how we did in life (or an absurd secret prayer) is only because our bodies crystalize into a final state when they are dying as the chemical systems that produce mental states break down. The moment of death is when we can no longer change how we feel about our lives.All your biology cares about is reproducing and surviving. All the rest of it is cultural. Social anxiety and guilt are linked to the danger of ostracization on social opportunity. Man is the measure of all things.
>>25035515>gaytheistBlack and white thought process speaks of your stupidity, either read more books or LEAVE MY BOARD, RETARD.
>>25034754>>25034602>>25034638Pagan Rome will never return
>>25035090You are Jewish
>>25035836No u first
>>25035752>I'm a bio grad, jungian, and humanistSo in short: A hylic.
>>25035752>The existence of heaven and hell and demons as matter-of-factly "real," is saying too much. I've spent A LOT time invoking and communing with spirits on psychedelics dabbling as a "neoshaman" (the only way to ACTUALLY do it, unless you're mentally ill!) and they seem to be autonomous psychic phenomenon in the collective or personal unconscious. Heaven and hell are symbolic constructs - extrapolation of infinite good and infinite bad. For it to be a binary thing based on how we did in life (or an absurd secret prayer) is only because our bodies crystalize into a final state when they are dying as the chemical systems that produce mental states break down. The moment of death is when we can no longer change how we feel about our lives.your entire philosophy is mechanistic neo-darwinist drivel, immanentizing the sacred and profane into a sterile psycho-biological substratum that exists nowhere inside of us besides a remnant of our instinctual forebears. >All your biology cares about is reproducing and surviving. All the rest of it is cultural. Social anxiety and guilt are linked to the danger of ostracization on social opportunity. Man is the measure of all things.>dualismwhat a very confused man you are.
>>25034602S tier bait. Post it on /his/ and keep the Toy Story porn image to make it SSS tier
>>25035752>lust provoking imageAsk me how I know you've never seen a naked woman.
>>25034602I'm not even religious, but I do know that nobody can escape their conscience.Those who try only succeed in suppressing it, and turn into neurotic wrecks who wake up screaming in the night.
>>25036081>Jungians are hylicsYou guenonfags really should be lobotomised for your own good.
>>25036170>>Jungians are hylicsLiterally nothing in that post wouldn't convince someone of anything else otherwise.
>>25036173Triple negatives aside, what parts of Jung's corpus seem especially hylic to you?
>>25036198Jung-ians are atheists. Its irrelevant to what the man himself may or may not have believes.
>>25035838It never left, asshole
>>25034946>>25034602Islam isnthe true faith, Europe thankfully will have the true religion put upon them
>>25034946No, it is mediated through the Holy Spirit. We must constantly pray to the Holy Spirit and then will the fruits of Holy Spirit be revealed in us by the constant renewing in the attitudes of our mind
>>25034754>bishop kikesteinI'm glad when people say stuff like this in posts because it means I can immediately forget everything they just said and not have to think about it for a second.
>>25035839I'm Christian but the way you wrote up there is pretty bad
>>25035836"clean miracles out of Christianity" is gaytheist retardism of the 18th century. go to hell
>>25034602read Crime and Punishment
>>25034602i remember doing this to my sisters barbies during early puberty. good times.
>>25034951You didn't make an argument, you just spewed your own dogma everywhere. None of you christfags that inhabit this board are educated on anything besides the spiraling madness of your own theologies. You can't even put what you're saying into philosophically meaningful terms. I'm a theist, I'm just an intellectually honest one rather than a christian.
>>25036081>>25036173Read up on Jung's metaphysics then. You pseudo-spiritual traditionalist fags are a disgrace.
>>25036198he's a moron who pretends to insist on not inventing the fictious based of one's conditioning in interpreting phenomenon and goes ahead to do the same thing himself like a retard, and what results is an abomination that is far from harmless that you niggers don't want to admit because again you have convinced yourself that you libniggers are benign and innocent. seethe perpetually in your hell, hylic.
>>25036657These are the same vague, formulaic, unsubstantiated accusations without explanation again. Since you are theist and since you are intellectually honest, could you offer your educated undogmatic philosophy to us Christians? That way we could learn and you could vindicate yourself in your accusations against us. It would seem profitable for everyone. Thank you and God bless you.
>>25034602If you are alluding to Dostoevsky’s worst novels, then, indeed, I dislike intensely The Brothers Karamazov and the ghastly Crime and Punishment rigamarole. No, I do not object to soul-searching and self-revelation, but in those books the soul, and the sins, and the sentimentality, and the journalese, hardly warrant the tedious and muddled search. Dostoyevsky’s lack of taste, his monotonous dealings with persons suffering with pre-Freudian complexes, the way he has of wallowing in the tragic misadventures of human dignity – all this is difficult to admire. I do not like this trick his characters have of ”sinning their way to Jesus” or, as a Russian author, Ivan Bunin, put it more bluntly, ”spilling Jesus all over the place." Crime and Punishment’s plot did not seem as incredibly banal in 1866 when the book was written as it does now when noble prostitutes are apt to be received a little cynically by experienced readers. Dostoyevsky never really got over the influence which the European mystery novel and the sentimental novel made upon him. The sentimental influence implied that kind of conflict he liked—placing virtuous people in pathetic situations and then extracting from these situations the last ounce of pathos. Non-Russian readers do not realize two things: that not all Russians love Dostoevsky as much as Americans do, and that most of those Russians who do, venerate him as a mystic and not as an artist. He was a prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. I admit that some of his scenes, some of his tremendous farcical rows are extraordinarily amusing. But his sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes are not to be endured for one moment—by this reader anyway. Dostoyevsky seems to have been chosen by the destiny of Russian letters to become Russia’s greatest playwright, but he took the wrong turning and wrote novels.
>>25035515I love how "Gay Theist" just describes the standard Christian. Repressed homosexuality overcompensated for by being a theist who believes in a sky daddy.
>>25036943This. The christcuckry and more broadly, of works with intellectual standard comprising in sentimentalist speculative philosophy are unbearable. This is why I've never been able to get into fiction, whatever I've known seems to require you to be spiritually animal to be able to enjoy (can't even use the word enjoy without cringing sometime).
>>25036965You responded to a pasta unironically
>>25036965>This is why I've never been able to get into fictionalways these larpers on an anime website.
>>25036945>"sky daddy" is "homosexual"Peak projection right there.
>>25036663You jungians are always an insecure bunch, aren't you?>pseudo-spiritualIndeed.
>>25036970>>25036972Not an argument.
>>25036223>Jung-ians are atheists.Why do you say that? Jung certainly wasn't
>>25036223>Jung-ians are atheists.OK, so you're just full of shit. Got it.
>>25036970I think his criticism is absolutely devastating to Dosto. If you read Dosto's novels, they are chock full of a grotesque macabre fascination with suffering and shame, with murder and sex and the subsequent groveling misery of those who find themselves in such situations. This type of tripe is 100% on the level of a typical harlequin romance novel, but because it's some old Russian who added Christian Orthodox themes as an accent to the sadomasochism, /lit/ eats it up. It's perverse.
>>25036978>"No u"kek
>>25037147>>25038335Why do jungians pretend to not be naturalists, exactly? Go and look at that post and tell me its anything besides a vindication of the most basic bitch biological reductionism that permeates in all of the life sciences before and now.
>>25036081>>25036102Ah geeez I've ben baited. I just said to you that I've done chaos magic and communed with spirits and grew up protestant. I'm into Alan Watts, Terence Mckenna... I've been around the spiritual block. I think our consciousnesses swim in a subset of the platonic infinite but our brain exists in a private idaho, the size of it is determined by the processing power (but it is very very very large). Heaven and hell as described are cartoons. I don't know how anyone can take it seriously that we will sit at tables and eat roast beef with forks and have toenails in heaven. I've seen heavens and hells but they are IN the MIND. The most cartoonish part of baroque "Dante" cosmology is eternal damnation for having wrong theology, and god being a petty bearded dude. I think I'm actually Landian / accelerationist quite frankly and the project of being is individual and collective transcendence. Humans and their technology are on the same continuum as the rest of nature but we are the cutting edge of that, dimensionally. The finger of god is stretched out to us and all we have to do is reach for it. It's starting to look like the way is through technology. We have to reach equilibrium with our environment and it will either go smoothly or be part of a catastrophe.So what then is the good? Technology and environmentalism. To transcend. Everything else is pissing away our opportunity. Our soceity as it is now couldn't sustain itself for 200 years, and now the bridges of the past are burned. You can't live like a hunter-gatherer, a pastoralist, or a 19th century cowboy anymore, and I admit it's tragic. Neo-luddites be damned.
>>25034628Obviously a retard.Don't know why this thread got this many replies when it has nothing to do with literature, just some degenerate fedora weirdo blogposting. Meanwhile, Bible threads got shut down once people showed up who actually wanted to discuss Scripture and not LARP as tradcucks with their antiwhite bishops who demand the White Western world open its borders or their faggot pope with that stupid block of ice to promote watermelon communism (green on the outside, red on the inside).>>25034872>casting pearls before swineStop wasting your time with fools and reprobates.>>25034885Morality is black and white. Maybe you cult members should actually believe the gospel and read the Bible for once.>>25036332>men who wear dresses and rape boys but deny it's gay>islamic apologists who openly advocate for pedophilia on youtube>rape women, kids, and boys if they're nonmuslim>jihad knife attacks on random people>lie about practically everything about your religion, even to other muslims if you're an imamIt's funny how the demoralized fedora retards never attack Pisslam the way they attack Christianity. It's because they're just demoralized useful idiots, they don't have any agency which is why they so often deny freewill too. It's also why those freak atheist degenerates who lead the charge against Christianity also hate White people. White Christian men created the West, and they're just demoralized fools so they hate the foundation of the West (Whites and Christianity). Just like Charlie Kirk, they didn't call him "racist" to justify murdering him because he was Christian, it's because he was White and he was basically a representation of the White Christian West to the demoralized useful idiots and reprobate fools.
>>25034941You're just projecting.>>25038472He's right, you fagnostics and gaytheists won't stop using gay terms and trying to project your faggotry on everyone because you're reprobates, which is why being reminded of Christ or God upsets you so much and you resort to spamming boards and throwing tantrums. Like the atheists on /his/ who spammed that board to death with fedoraspam because one (1) Christian was posting on it.You should've learned from Sodom and Gomorrah (you can visit the ruins btw) before becoming a reprobate faggot. Sucks to suck, sucks being rejected by God, sucks not being able to believe the gospel, sucks being ever-learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Enjoy hell idiot. (or: RIP bozo)
>>25040075Gay theists are the Christians though
>>25034946If I capitalise Random Words I bet people will think I'm a Serious Person instead of a Bumder Paedophile
>>25034872Hey, others may not have appreciated this, but I actually rather liked the sermon, although I’m not a strict Christian, according to most Christians probably. More like a Theosophist.Regardless, it was a nice sermon and I rather liked it. I think there’s a paradox in which people calling themselves Christians, taking “Christianity” simply as their adherence to an organized religion/to a system of dogmatic belief (and viewing anything outside their form of interpretation/belief of it as blasphemous, worthless, entirely lacking wisdom and spiritual power, and leading to Hell), ironically go rather far from being very Christlike.You on the other hand very well point out, including with quotations from Scripture, that Christ’s teachings are supposed to be an impetus to spiritual self-transformation; starting with oneself first, actually transforming oneself from the “old self” to that “new self” analogous to Christ, or to Christ being within you (if not somehow literally instead of just analogously). And as you say, this can also be conceived of as the Way, a Way to follow like you say>Following the Way isn't a dogmatic philosophy or a set of church teachings. That is not how you follow the Way. I like that conception of Christianity more than what I’d call “Churchianity”, which is like this “dogmatic philosophy or a set of church teachings” as you put it, and which, again, many adherents of ironically use to feel especially superior to other people, to put them down, and be smugly self-satisfied in their dogmatism.
>>25040695>>Churchianity>Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly—mere infants in Christ. I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans? For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not mere human beings?>What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow. So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. The one who plants and the one who waters have one purpose, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor. For we are co-workers in God’s service; you are God’s field, God’s building.We see here that neither Paul nor Apollos have been making followers of the Way grow, but only God (through sanctification of the Holy Spirit). Doubtless, you can learn from Paul or Apollos, but you cannot and should not become your own person in either Paul or Apollos; rather, you can and should become your own person in Christ Jesus just as Paul and Apollos became their own persons in Christ Jesus as members of His body united through the Holy Spirit.>But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.>For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body...and we were all given the one Spirit to drinkPaul and Apollos can stand for whatever denomination that believes that Jesus Christ (Son of God) came in the likeness of human flesh, was crucified, died and buried and was raised on the 3rd in His glorified body. The specific teachings of the church are men not understanding that Paul saw one aspect of the Truth and that Apollos saw yet another aspect of the Truth—both being true yet not the Truth. Denominations then live jealously and with quaarreling amonst one another. They took the inspiration of Paul and Apollos and disambiguated it into doctrine as if Paul or Apollos were speaking doctrinally. It is clear that Paul wants us to pray to the Holy Spirit in order that the Holy Spirit may guide us into the right way of living life moment by moment.>And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests.It isn't necessarily true that every confrontation in life will be met with the same response as if you can pre-reference reality as some denominations purport to. You will be told what to do by the Holy Spirit.
>>25034602You don't understand Kierkegaard. You haven't read Kierkegaard.
>>25040695>>Theosophist>Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights>For he makes his sun to shine on bad and good people alike, and gives rain to those who do good and to those who do evilYes, any good and perfect gift found in any religion/ideology is the light of God. You can learn from anyone who speaks good, and they will lead you to Christ Jesus our Lord. I hope you give Christ a chance. You seem very nice. God bless you.
>>25040897Oh you actually are a Christian, hah; I misread>I'm not a strict Christianas >I'm not a Christian
>>25038502Why do fags like you completely misrepresent jung and then act smug about your victory over a strawman? You literally don’t have a clue what Jung said. The entire concept of synchronicity disproves materialism. You wouldn’t know that because you read a wikipedia article, if that.
>>25040878That possibly can't make a circle (pic)
>>25041067It's a cylinder with the sides chopped off
>>25041072Oh kek. I thought it was a block of cheese. I was seriously confused
>>25040072>It's funny how the demoralized fedora retards never attack Pisslam the way they attack Christianity.Because we handle people who insult Islam, the prophet(SAW) and the deen. Not my fault your religion teaches to turn the other cheek
>>25040072>my cult is better than your cultWow, persuasive.
