Here we go again.

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Loren is a mercenary down on his luck. His former company was wiped out and he's decided to try being an adventurer. To his surprise the adventurer's guild is basically a hiring agency for odd jobs, ranging from drain cleaning to monster extermination. He's literally broke, with nothing to his name except his clothes and weapon. Just before giving in to a filthy life of a literal sort, someone invites him to join their party. It's a basic job. Travel to a frontier town and kill some goblins. What could go wrong? Everything.

At first glance this is something like a variation of Guts from Berserk combined with Goblin Slayer. That's to say it's strongly influenced by tabletop RPGs, it's grimdark, and Loren uses a huge sword. That comparison soon becomes less accurate as it adds its own ideas in. Whether they're any good is difficult to say because this volume is arguably a prologue for the series. The entire relatively short volume, and apparently future volumes are barely more than novella length, is a dungeon crawl. Loren accepts the quest, they go to the dungeon, various stuff happens, the dungeon is left behind, and the volume ends.

I don't quite know what to think about that. The narrative is more complicated than killing a lot of goblins, but not by much. The characters are mildly amusing despite being caricatures at best. Overall it's rather derivative and generic, in this first volume at least. I don't really expect that to change. The worst part of it is the goblins, because it goes through with the typical Japanese depiction. Unlike in the Western tradition, goblins in Japanese works seem to exist for only two reasons: murder and rape. Both happen, though the latter is only a couple sentences without description, and seems to be for shock value. There's also a lot of comparisons to Japanese work culture, mostly at beginning.

I'd be remiss if I didn't warn that this series is on indefinite hiatus and is very unlikely to ever be completed. Almost everything that was published in Japanese has been officially published in English though. I don't know how much of what was intended to be the full story was written. What happened was that the author posted inflammatory remarks about the Nanjing Massacre and had another series that was thinly veiled about it, which led to the cancellation of said series.

I'm marginally interested in seeing where it goes from here. It could fulfill a specific niche of what I want to read from time to time, but it also could really just disappoint. I'm barely interested enough to eventually find out.

>>25035503
I remember reading redditoids whining about this (Paranoid Mage series) and calling the author a heckin unwholesome chungus qanoner
So naturally I felt obligated to read it
It's decent but I felt I'd eaten more than my fill by the fourth volume or so, also very milquetoast and generally inoffensive

>>25035567
First I've heard about those complaints. There's nothing political about that series. Rebelling against some authoritarian regime is hardly an original concept people can bitch about. All I remember is that it started well then the quality and interest fell off rapidly after first book or two.

>>25035609
Yeah I also didn't understand those complaints after I actually read it, but they were what got me to give it a shot. I wouldn't say the quality fell off as much as it didn't change or evolve enough to hold my interest.

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I like how minor variations on this AI-generated face are on every tenth cover or something like it.

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>>25035618
Some people just shouldn't be listened to.

I became a xianxia cultivator in another world only to learn my system is useless? How I transmigrated then regressed to become the ultimate archmage!

>>25035629
it's some generic slop interpretation of not!Kirito

>>25035629
they all must use the same resource, I cannot say I blame them.
Sure you can spend time crafting and prompting a cool AI cover but at the end of the day isn't the dream getting a big enough following to commission artwork.
better to focus on writing and if that sweet patreon hits $1500 get some good artwork

>>25035609
>>25035618
the complaints are about what he says outside of the story, like in discord and shit (dunno what, have just vaguely heard of the drama)

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>>25035689
you can spend less than 100 shekels on a starving japanese or chinese artist for a png of your MC
then /wng/ regulars with hobbyist-level knowledge of graphic design and typography + pirated photoshop cs6 + an understanding of webfic scene tastes will be able to make a much cooler cover than genned slop

>>25035778
If you like anime art you can get pro level quality from Skeb for even less than that

>>25035778
>/wng/ regulars with hobbyist-level knowledge of graphic design and typography + pirated photoshop cs6
those crow and rabbit covers were bretty gud, so many lads were contributing them kek

>>25035787
NTA, is that true? In my experience trying to use Skeb everything was overpriced as fuck

>>25035778
there's virtually nothing you can do with photoshop/whatever that you can't do with AI

>>25035827
As an avid commissioner of my novel OCs, yes, but the site is anti-consumer as fuck because the creator is a Class SSS Omega Retard and you will need to make an active effort to actually find good deals/artists which includes wading through swamps of shit on the front page. Most of my favorites came from recommendations on the general on /h/, if you don't find anime tiddies icky it's a good place to lurk.

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>>25035902
>As an avid commissioner of my novel OCs
Same
I mostly pick out artists by wading around twitter and deviantart or commissioning artists I know personally through other channels
obligatory

>>25035896
read the post again, junior

>>25035902
Also something important to add, Skeb is all about "fire and forget" commissions where you aren't allowed to contact the artist after submitting the request. They do enforce this. In some cases I've gotten away with it, but you're basically just crossing your fingers that the artist doesn't report you. In case you need more specific work done, it's better to try to contact an artist via Twitter and do a more traditional commission, many will be willing to accept other payment methods.

>>25035907
>vague concession
accepted
if you are seething over my double negative your tourist status is that much more obvious

>>25035929
Yeah that was the second major reason I reflexively rejected Skeb. The back and forth of the artist sending WIPs and the commissioner giving input to steer and fine-tune the end result is VITAL.

>>25035936
I agree, if you're looking for something more complex than "draw x character doing y", I would recommend against Skeb, but it's still a useful resource for finding good artists for cheap.

>>25035933
no seriously, I think you misunderstood my post

>>25035778
>cool animanga character art png
>cool typography
>white background
it works for bleach but I dunno if it would for web novels

the real expert play is to use a classical renaissance painting in the public domain then put a cool font on it
also make sure the subject in the painting has absolutely nothing to do with your story's themes or genres

>>25035987
>Big title
>Extremely clear thumbnail
>Cool character design
>Also unique and not AI-slop
That shit would do better than 99.99% of covers on RR my guy

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>>25035999
you can't use a famous painting though or it'll be corny
it needs to be obscure

>>25036032
seeing left instantly takes me back to when this gen was still in its infancy

>>25035999
Renaissance painting
Greyscaled or partially greyscaled (so that only one color pops out)
Eye censor bar
VCR stutter/chop filter
Edgy fashwave title in modernist or VCR subtitle-style font

Actually I'll go make it brb

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>>25035778

>>25036072
this is some good slop

>>25036072
>litrpg
>buriichi (bleach)
huh?

>>25036077
>he read the runes
i kneel

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>>25036072
Kubo really figured it all out back in 2001... we never needed backgrounds

>>25036072
unironically better than all the shit on RR
/wng/bros will usher in a new meta

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>>25036085
or people

>>25036077
What if the manga was supposed to be called Breach? You know, monsters getting into the real world through the Breach!

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>>25036068
I have neither the time nor the energy to do it in a nonlazy way. But done.

>>25035787
>>25035827
>>25035902
>>25035929
>>25035936
I use VGen, great alternative to skeb for this. Takes a bit to find the artists that catch your eye and usually they're cheap under 100$. It's designed and encourages you to communicate with the artist like skeb, honestly never used Skeb and avoided it for this reason and others. There's a older but similar site—sketchmob—that had the same philopsy with artist-clients but that one is a little janky on the backend and I've talked with artists now on vgen who say they sometimes never got payment thru sketchmob.

>>25036134
Meant 'with the artist, unlike skeb'. I've commissioned 9 so far through vgen so it's a pretty legit site in my eyes.

Reminder you'll probably need to pay 50% extra for commercial usage rights

>>25036085
bleach was always a joke for how fighting scenes become all black or white

>>25036148
Only if the artist mentions it in the brief. Literally just don't talk about it. If you're commissioning literal whos through skeb it won't be an issue regardless, and the artist probably doesn't even know about commercial rights commission price gouging. Shut up about commercial and take your cover art retard.

>>25036150
>>25036148
If you MUST legally cover your ass, just offhandedly mention that it will be cover art in your design document or request. 99% of cases the artist won't mention it. If the artist mentions it and tries to ask for extra, and on FUCKING SKEB, then run, because that fuck will gouge you for every extra penny, revision fees, etc. Personal experience.

>>25036134
I swear I'm not a weeb but so far I haven't seen a single artist on vgen that I'd commission. I really dislike that modern internet western sff illustration art style. it just reeks of tumblr OCs. I know it's an unfair prejudice to have but I'll probably stick with skeb

>>25036150
>>25036153
Why are you commissioning artists if you don't even seem to care about supporting art and artists? Literally suggesting you scam them. Just use AI

>>25036150
>>25036153
I'd happily pay the extra 50% for commercial usage and would even bring it up myself in my request. I'm gonna be a merch king, I need my operations to be legit

>>25036167
>>25036164
your bait is shit and you should kill yourself
i look for obscure artists because they charge less and are glad to just get a commission at all, if I wanted to get price gouged I would commission some eceleb faggot
i tell them what the art will be used for, if they don't ask for a fee their problem, if they do ask i politely say it's not in my budget, 100% of the time they back off and waive the fee, because as i said, they're glad to just get a commission, and i'm not lying either

>>25036148
I thought the default assumption of commissioning art was that the commissioner owns ALL rights to the art, unless exceptions are made. I only commission from a guy I know IRL but I just made sure he understood I wanted all rights and he said he was fine with it, the I gave him permission to include it in his portfolio online and to sell it as a print.

>>25036178
This is true generally, or at worst a reasonable assumption. Only skeb and a few other middleman sites specify that by default you only get personal-use rights. The vast majority of artists and commissioners logically assume that the commissioner has the right to use THEIR COMMISSION however they damn please.

FFF-class unlucky antagonist stickers, t-shirts, acrylic charms, labubus

>>25036185
>Only skeb and a few other middleman sites specify that by default you only get personal-use rights.
Oh yeah, I forgot they did that. Yeah in that case, that's the exception being made. Disgusting practice.

I really prefer to do at least initial business negotiations/agreements in person for this reason. It's so hard to communicate and make sure everyone understands each other already, and trying to do it online only is just nuts.

i wonder how artists feel when the person requests a commission does so w/ an ai gen that mogs anything they could do

>>25036171
>literally just don't talk about it (how it'll be used commercially)
>I always tell them I plan to use it commercially
your bait is shit and you should kill yourself

>>25036186
Lore accurate.

Jacques would surely have sold Astary Labubus in the Queendom of Constellation and Anicet Labubus in the Evernightmare Kingdom if he had the commercial rights.

>>25036209
believe it or not, everyone who disagrees with you is not the same person
i am >>25036171 but i am not >>25036150, retard

>>25036207
My guy was annoyed but this was after I sent him my concept sketches which were incomprehensible, and he wasn't getting it, and we were hundreds of miles apart so I sent him the stuff and then boom, he understood. So he was annoyed but for practical reasons didn't throw a fit.
Next time I waited to do concept work with him in person and it went much better. I had to physically do the poses I wanted but he got it much faster.
I don't tell him this, but I'm actually kind of annoyed with his art skills, and it's not because of AI. It's because I went and visited a bunch of fine art museums and developed some aesthetic taste, and so I have a conception of art that's totally different from him, who mainly looks at manga and comics. Also after all that manga consumption is anatomy was slipping I had to point out a bunch of details he really should have caught. It was fine after I did, but come on.
I need an arthoe trad painter gf so bad.

>>25036171
Nah man, you gotta pay those artists, man. How are they going to live if you don't cover the costs of materials and labor and commercial rights and carbon tax and patriarchy tax plus tip? Think of the poor, poor artists man.

>>25036220
whether you're not him you agreed with
>literally don't tell them about how it's used commercially
so elaborate on that cognitive dissonance, troll

So this is how the anti-AI pro-artist people actually think

>>25036233
there is no cognitive dissonance. i fully believe that commercial-rights upcharges to private individual commissioners are price gouging, and most artists don't know about this despicable practice, so i don't mention it. why would i mention it if i find it abhorrent?
"oh thanks for letting me hitch a ride please don't try to pressure me into letting you fuck my ass as gas payment"
i agree that just mentioning the purpose of the commission is a good litmus test. if the artist jumps on it and demands a commercial use fee drop that motherfucker like a pinless grenade and run.
moralfagtrolling doesn't work here dipshit, it's not some case of big bad commissioners being le heckin evil slavedrivers, in commissioning if there is a problem it's almost always the faggot artist not delivering after being paid the first half, or taking a commission they don't want to do and then half-assing it.

I got an idea, a villain is sent back in time (he's a noble) and he realizes him and his friends are fucked because the hero will arrive in the city in one year and start purging corruption.
and that's the hook and thats the plot.
what do you guys think

>>25036132
This looks good, probably the second best cover I've seen on /wng/

>>25036269
>in commissioning if there is a problem it's almost always the faggot artist not delivering after being paid the first half, or taking a commission they don't want to do and then half-assing it.
you're that guy dry messaging artists and seething when they ignore you, aren't you? you sound genuinely so insufferable

>>25036274
Is he going to get into a mad dash trying to clean up his act and inadvertently become good for real along the way?

>>25036283
Y-yea how did you know?

>>25036186
i'm preordering the pinvgindraeber charm

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>>25036279
no? i've been commissioning the same three guys for the last half a decade and i've never been ghosted after an initial message, because i don't cold-message if i don't think the artist would respond, literally just look for "commissions open" or a price list, i don't like being cold-messaged so i don't do it either

you smell like a victim complexed twitter """artist""" that eats a $50 prepayment and then takes half a year to deliver a sketch and bitches and vagueposts about self-harming when the commissioner has the temerity to ask for a progress update once a month
i bet you don't even have a proper price list and just pull a quote out of your ass based on the commissioner's political posting history or some gay shit like that
you are be-izzati, mumu, may ogun thunder kill your goat

>>25036296
>you smell like a victim complexed twitter """artist""" that eats a $50 prepayment
no he's talking about a specific anon who was bitching a few threads ago about how he hand sent a million cold dms to artists without commissions open and none of them were responding to him and this is why we need hitler2 NOW

>>25036304
oh, that explains it, i don't sit in thread so i don't know
sounds like a retard

>>25036279
Not him but that's not a strawman, both of those things are very common issues with commissions and part of why escrow services like Skeb and Vgen gained so much traction in the first place

>>25036296
>no?
>rant
well, at least we're both forming schizo theories on each other. i just feel solidarity with artists because customers/consooomers are retarded. and the way you type makes me think you're a massive asshole. there was another guy like a week ago having a meltie about artists

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>>25036283
Because that's how I would do it myself. I say it's a good idea and would like to read it.

>>25036286
>>25036313
Quoted wrong

If you had one word to describe something, what would it be?
>thread full of newfags spamming "slop"
Kind of /lit/ to enable a newfag containment board.
Special mention to this fresh-off-the-boat newfag nigger spamming his favorite buzzwords like he's roleplaying a geriatric at the casino: >>25035567

>>25036274
>>25036286
that's really similar to a lot of otome-game isekai plots. they almost always have the mc reincarnating into a villainess with a fated bad end and the mc trying to turn it around.

though usually they are sickly sweet cinnamon buns with negative emotional iq who don't understand why nobody is treating them as the evil antagonist. actually that's a common problem in poorly written regressor novels where MCs have no ability to recognize that their actions have changed the world and keep expecting it to work exactly the same as the first time around. so uh. avoid that.

>>25036322
Listen up jit
I just like stringing together chains of buzzwords for emphasis becuase it's funny, but I don't use them separately in normal conversation

>>25036330
nta but I also found it extremely embarrassing even if it was meant as ironic. just type like a normal person and make your point.

>>25036231
This is a really hilarious thing to say when the context is authors commissioning cover art, but then /lit/ has never been known for self-awareness.

>>25036333
no being cringe is more fun

>>25036336
yeah that mentality checks out for someone who really is cringe
part of your spirit yearns to use the words chungus and heckin

>>25036336
fr fr, no cap.

why do i get 20 positive comments and feel nothing and then get a negative one and mentally crash out?
this is fucked up

>>25036464
must be nice getting comments

>>25036485
i was happier when i had fewer comments

would it be mentally ill if I started reading a finished novel and commented on every chapter?

>>25036549
yes

>>25036562
fuck so is it only appropriate to comment when a story is on going?
what do authors even want to read?
>good chapter boss
>you made a typo
>i think the motivations for the mc are a little shody here.

>>25036565
>what do authors even want to read?
we're universally sensitive bitches and want to read encouragement and praise. if you want to make us happy, write what you liked about the chapter
we can selectively read thoughtful critique when framed right, but if left every chapter it just comes off as whining and makes us feel bad. if you have serious complaints save it for a review
anything outright negative will ruin our mood for the day

>>25036589
got it maybe I'll comment once every 10 chapters that seems reasonable.

Am I wrong or do mechs just not work in webnovels?
Like it seems like a good fit, progression by upgrading frames and parts starting with scrap etc but every example of it I've read descends into OP mc killing people even without the mechs.

>>25036607
i don't think readers like a powerset that can so easily be removed from the protagonist
write a mech story where the MC manifests it from their flesh somehow (or a TechGem linked to their soul, etc).
I see no reason it can't work fundamentally. MLA proved that lots of classic concepts are just waiting for the right execution.

>>25036607
I think this is part of why sci-fi isn't nearly as popular as fantasy, in that everything that makes the MC OP and speshul is tech instead of actually being "his", so it can just as easily be taken away from him or given to someone else

>>25036607
Ashgar Chronicle is doing reasonably great and I'm mad jelly I can't ape his success with my mech story. I'm not doing litrpg but he is, so that's my cope for why I'm dogshit other than my dogshit quality.

>>25036622
While I think what you said contributes I think it's only a minor part of it. Sci Fi has the problem that technological solutions remove the human elements from the story. You have to stretch things to make it all work out. Technologically advanced fights are about preparation rather than in the moment decision-making. And this preparation happens when they build the missiles and fighting doctrines, not in stone pre-battle planning stagger.

>>25036676
>vs aliens
eww
I think this is my problem with scifi, I don't care unless it's human v human

scifi is anti-human

>>25036565
I am not an author but I've got a small youtube channel I've posted on for several years. The comments I like most are people conversing with me or someone else. Comments like that are really rare, I'm sure if I got a lot of them I wouldn't like them as much though.

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>>25036565
>what do authors even want to read?
It's really simple:
"Wow, this is so great! I'm gonna subscribe on patreon!"
"Thanks for the chapter!"
That's it. Every reader, every chapter.
Then, on patreon, only "Thanks for the chapter!" and "I'm gonna buy on Amazon and rate 5 stars!"

>>25036565
>>25036593
Don't listen to these other faggots. If you have something to say about a story and it's not just pointing out a missing period or something, say it, especially if it's not all that well known. Don't be offensive of course, but being a glazer is equally as bad. That's it. Just use common sense and don't worry about some made up dogma.

I'm going to make a visual novel instead. Fetish based. I'm going to make enough money to move to a low cost of living area. Then I'll grift off patreon.

>>25036823
i genuinely don't believe there exists an author who gets frequent comments with this mindset
the only ones that want comments no matter what they are are people who don't get any

>>25036833
Based cuckold enjoyer.

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>>25036293
Excellent choice, and the best part? It's real baby seal's skin.

>>25036906
I look like and do this

>>25036908
Do you eat penguins and make boots with their skins?

>>25036910
no, it's Wednesday

>>25036851
>i genuinely don't believe there exists an author who gets frequent comments with this mindset
I don't get what you mean by this.
>the only ones that want comments no matter what they are are people who don't get any
Okay? What does that have to do with what I said?

>>25036549
Comments are always nice to get, even if the story is 10 years old.

>>25036274
>a villain is sent back in time (he's a noble) and he realizes him and his friends are fucked because the hero will arrive in the city in one year and start purging corruption.
That's pretty much the plot of The Bastard of the Count's Family, except the MC is isekai'd not a regressor.

>>25036549
no, being parasocial is the only way we can cope and somewhat get attention in our cruel world. it's our form of healing and if someone calls you out on it in the comment's section, then they're equally as lonely and just want attention as well.

>>25036910
I only eat the hearts, I'm not some kind of freak.

>>25036958
Being parasocial is the big gay. Anonymous shitflinging is the one true way

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>guy asks for a shoutout swap
>polite, gives a reasonable introduction to his story
>healer MC, starts off weak, struggles to meet great expectations
>I was looking for healer stories, might check it out
>look at the title
>"I got a system that gives me a new skill every day"
jesus christ FUCK OOOOOOOOFF

>>25036973
Soon enough you will filter out LitRPG.

>>25036961
Nice of you to respect your Starfolk heritage.

Any advice on how to write for a video game/rpg? I have experience GMing tabletop games but that's about it.

>>25037022
SAO.

Frieren With A System

>>25037022
It's the same, but you are GMing for one person and are always using a homebrew.

>>25037022
Nobody else knows either, don't worry about it

>>25036325
The alternative to this is stuff like Villains Are Destined to Die which is almost pure edgelordism.

>"A truly great mantra... Is a story."
>"Divine Art: A Regressor's Tale of Cultivation"
HOLY
FUCKING
KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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>2000 views per chapter
>ask for reviews
>nobody bothers to post even one
Why? I didn't even ask for GOOD reviews. Aren't people normally more than eager to declare their opinions and deal out judgment?

>>25037298
how did Regressor's Tale of Cultivation completely refutes and dismantles Reverend Insanity so thoroughly?

>>25037307
just say you'll post more chapters if they give reviews

>>25037307
ill review your wn

>>25037342
I'd prefer reviews from people who actually bothered to read the story. I already have some dogshit ones from those who didn't.

>>25037353
I don't know how to review a story. like I'll read it but my "review" would just yea this is good.

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>>25037079
I love Frieren that sounds like a great idea.
Why would your OP arch mage even need a system?
You'd probably make the people who praise Frieren for it's allusions to western fantasy seethe if you gamified it.
But it would do well on RR

>>25037307
This is something that isn't included in the main Royal Road statistics. It's not something difficult to add, so I may do so on the next spreadsheet update. At least one of Kino-Man's 5 reviews is from some one in this thread. For all I know they all could be.

>>25037355
At the extreme end, this may be involved
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexithymia
It's most likely lack of practice in articulating your thoughts though.

frieren is slop

>>25037437
Why?

>>25037441
Because it's popular. Le popular le bad.

>>25037441
>>25037479
slice of life is awful, narratively. i get why/how it works in anime; but it's not great storytelling. you're on /lit/ btw

>>25037489
to play the devil's advocate, there's a growing group of people who treat all media, whether that's anime or novels or movies or video games, as comfy hugbox safe spaces where they can vicariously spend more time with fictional characters. They aren't engaging with media to necessarily get a story with arcs and character change, but simply to steep in the vibes. It's just another aspect of escapism. I don't engage with media in this way but can see why slice of life is becoming so popular. More games even have casual side content too, if not casual spin offs outright.

>>25037363
One is a swap review from Rabbit Anon, but the rest seems genuine to me since they actually talk about points one must have read deeply into my book to know.

>>25037541
I've seen anons in these threads who seem to genuinely like kino-man and probably did read the whole thing. But finding these weirdos elsewhere may be hard

>>25037541
i reviewed genuinely and didn't ask for a swap, FFF just gave me one anyway.

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>>25037489
People who interact with Slice of life media are probably seeking a level of "comfy" and coziness in a story, like the other anon mentioned it's not alone in novels or anime, there's a lot of "comfy" games that don't exist to really challenge a player mechanically or even get him addicted to gambling but rather just give a sense of community.
And honestly I'm starting to see it more on RR and in other works but I think these type of stories always existed they were just marketed more to female readers.
Something about a later 20's detective who runs a coffee shop/ book store and has a cat or other pet and solves some sort of local mystery like a midsummer murders. I think I walked past 100's of books that could meet that description.
So is it really a surprise so many people want to write about the demon king opening up a tavern and writing 20 pages about his food and a certain set of chicken wing dishes he's really proud of?

>>25037545
I can never tell if those anons are shitposting, I'm sure some of them are.

How many hours are people writing a day here?

>>25037511
>>25037564
i agree; except i think there is still something that distinguishes something like cozy mystery as a novel, vs. what some WN and anime (like moe/slice of life) are.
something about challenging vs. validating. or maybe narrative vs. vibe/aesthetic. i havent really worked it out too well lol. but i know there's something to it

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>>25037702
36 hours per day for all 12 days of the week.
When your keyboard is cooling at home, you ought to mold your story in your mind for it to be ready to be written down. In the train, at work, during sex, ALWAYS!!!

It's actually shocking that the ending of Worm is as good as it is. For all the flaws in the greater story, the whole gold morning/khepri arc is nearly perfect.

>>25035503
Spreadsheet update
I didn't update the stats.

Additions
Added review count for individual stories and how many the authors have written
Added K U W A B A R A's A Game of Cosmic Titans

Deletions
Dimestorepublishing deleted 9. 3 remain.

11 /wng/ authors have written at least 1 review for another /wng/ author. Several were before /wng/ existed.

The top 5 with most reviews written for others are
gliglith 52
Akaso 20
Wintydunno 18
the_Enn_Gee 17
FortySixtyFour 16

Wrote the most for /wng/ specifically: Meowtastic 3

Biggest Review recipient: K U W A B A R A
4/11 of the authors in the spreadsheet who wrote a review for another author in the spreadsheet wrote one for him.
He has written 1 for another author in the spreadsheet, which isn't one of those 4. He has no obligation to do so. Half were from 2020 and the other half were from 2025.

Misc
I now have a conjecture on who the anon who claims to be doing well but refuses to say what their story is. The circumstantial evidence is: what they've posted in /wng/, what they posted before /wng/ existed, and who they've reviewed in /wng/.

>>25037307
This anon isn't in the spreadsheet or is exaggerating because the highest average views for anyone without a single review is 695 and even that is an outlier.

>>25037741
That's why you shouldn't read Ward. It retcons many of the elements that made it so impactful. Fuck knows why the author did that.

>>25037769
>now have a conjecture on who the anon who claims to be doing well but refuses to say what their story is
would it be doxxing?

>>25037782
If you think linking their royal road page without permission as doxxing, then sure, otherwise no. The only reason I'm not saying anything is because I'm not confident enough.

>>25037769
>I now have a conjecture on who the anon who claims to be doing well but refuses to say what their story is. The circumstantial evidence is: what they've posted in /wng/, what they posted before /wng/ existed, and who they've reviewed in /wng/.
You went crawling the archive to build a case? That's genuinely creepy, anon

Anyway, all I'll say for now is that if it's who I think it is, and I could very well be wrong, they have 272 paid members on their patreon.

>>25037820
Not in this case, no. It's just from what I remember seeing posted across 3 generals over the last few years.

>>25037820
>You went crawling the archive to build a case? That's genuinely creepy, anon
I'd say it's impressive.

>>25037828
>272 paid members on their patreon.
You can just use graphtreon to sort paid members, he thinks it's Tenebroum's author kek

Come on, I'm the anon you don't like because I'm too elitist and tell people to have higher standards for what they consider a success. I really shouldn't be giving any hints at all now that it's confirmed anons are weird enough to try to hunt me down, but sheesh, I at least comfortably write full time, pretty sure I've said that outright. 272 paid members on a $7.50 tier is $1632/month and after taxes that's like $1300. And his books also all flopped on Amazon. Why would I have the attitude I do when that's my scoreline?

>>25037877
>Why would I have the attitude
I've seen far less successful writers on /lit/ have far more of an attitude.

>>25037769
>This anon isn't in the spreadsheet or is exaggerating because the highest average views for anyone without a single review is 695 and even that is an outlier.
You read shit wrong and then call people out for it way too much. He's saying he gets 2000 views per chapter and then posted a chapter with an author's note asking for them to leave reviews. And from that request no one reviewed like he asked. Not that his fiction has zero ever.

>>25037883
it's an inverted bell curve really

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Sometimes reading /wng/ feels like I'm reading a web novel but my comments get to the characters instead of the author.
so I get the story idea about what if I wrote a story where the MC could talk to the characters, put in the world so he has skin in the game but make it so they can read his thoughts and thus his insights into the story.
Then I realized the Chinese/Koreans has done this and several times already.
You guys ever have that? you think about an idea and it turns not only is it not original it's been done better and by several different people for years?
How do I think like a Chinese and get ahead of the next web novel trend? how do I come up with a compelling original idea.

>>25037970
>idea idea idea
for the 965796th time, ideas are cheap
and for the 2196382nd time, worry more about execution

there's something like 3-5 other famous magic school novels —also bestsellers at some point in their own right, mind you— that predate Harry Potter

>>25037970
nihil novi sub sole
just write something good

>what if I wrote a story where the MC could talk to the characters
you wouldn't dare

>>25037920
You're right. I didn't read it correctly. 2,000 average views doesn't say how many views the newest chapter has though, since it's an average. Unless they're able to look at the individual chapter views, it's probably much less, in which case it'd be silly. Many probably skipped over the author note as well. It also doesn't say how long he waited.

>>25038014
and it's even possible that was so successful at getting reviews that everyone who was on the most recent chapter already wrote one that was going to.

>>25038014
Jesus fuck, you're a grade A creepy asshole, and one big reason why I never talk about my story in these threads.

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>realise my sect arc has all the most clichéd narrative beats like aptitude tests, elder factionalism, young masters that embody nepotism and stagnation, secret knowledge as a form of indirect control, ancestral legacies, a tournament, an external threat (invasion), then an inevitable departure
Lads. I'm a fucking hack.

I like Shadow Slave despite the first few chapters being really rough, but I haven't been able to push through the early chapters of any other webnovels. Even a random russian write better than the best chinese webnovel pro.

>CODE: ABAKAN - War Criminal in Another World
>The Nakba (romanized: an-Nakba, lit.'the catastrophe') is the ethnic cleansing by Israel of Palestinian Arabs

>>25038057
>my xianxia is somehow like literally every single EVERY SINGLE EVER (literally) other xianxia
exactly what the readers want

>>25037769
>I now have a conjecture on who the anon who claims to be doing well but refuses to say what their story is.
Is it the one that's writing about a smith?

>>25038068
Shadow Slave is very compelling for how shitty it is in most aspects

>>25038092
compelling in what way?

>>25038057
THIRTY YEARS IN THE EAST
THIRTY YEARS IN THE WEST
DARE NOT LOOK DOWN ON POOR YOUTH
KINO ITS ALL KINO

>>25038097
He paints a very vivid world through very shitty prose. The characters are also pretty well realized.

>>25038057
Only bad thing there is the tournament, I really hate tournaments

>>25038092
>>25038115
Agreed. It's a classic case of storytelling > prose when it comes to that kind of guilty pleasures. I feel like most chinese authors cannot into storytelling in general or I just can't jibe with all the weird cultural differences and shitty translation.

>>25038090
>Is it the one that's writing about a smith?
No, the one writing a frieren clone.

>>25038151
>frieren
I love Frieren

>>25038157
the RR version is better

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>>25038166
I'll check it out. you're talking about this one right?

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>>25038109
I swear it wasn't conscious. I had the ending of the arc and the changes that characters undergo in mind first and reverse engineered what would need to happen for the ending to make logical sense. The steps just turned out to be the safest possible /xia/ blueprint ever. I don't believe in subversions and deconstructions for their own sake so I guess I'll just focus on the execution of this safe, conventional, common or garden dish.

>>25038116
It's the part I'm least married to and could probably get rid of but in its place, I'd at least need a very public duel to serve the same narrative function. It could work better

>>25037970
>picrel troontuber
get this shit out of here

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I really shouldn't have joked about a japanese cold a few threads ago. It's been a month since it started and today I feel worse than yesterday. Yesterday in a fit of ill clumsiness I knocked my mouse off the desk and it's failing to register clicks just often enough to be infuriating: I will need to venture out and buy a new one. I'm about to launch and don't have enough chapters stocked for more than the first week and I can't output. I need 24 more chapters backlogged to feel safe.

Gentlemen, I need some recs that aren't mentally-ill feMC slop. Here's what I read and like
Lifeweaver: A Healer LitRPG
Just Add Mana
Taste of Magic
Dungeon Diver: Stealing a Monster's Power (actually I'm 160 chapters behind)
The Pinnacle Warrior
Hell Hound Evolution
1% Lifesteal
The Magpie and the Archmage
Cat Girl Evolution
Beware of Chicken
The Exchange Teacher
Azarinth Healer
Paranoid Mage
Blue Core

Things I read and didn't like but can't stop reading
BTDEM
Song of the Gift Giver
Foxfire Esq

I've got Rhaegar's new series on my to read list but haven't felt like it.
Should I read The Archmage is Baking Now! to round out all the "baking archmage" stories?

I'm sure there's some librokino out there that I've overlooked so far but I've heard too much criticism of the big names to consider giving them an investment (like super supportive I've heard is kinda crap, TWI has lizardfucking, etc).

>>25038299
why do you only read west-slop?

i only read DCC

>>25038299
>but I've heard too much criticism of the big names to consider giving them an investment
any big story will get criticized a shitton. it's the default discourse on the internet. the reason you don't see smaller stories shit talked is because nobody has read them and so they don't get talked about at all, really, besides maybe one fan who will just shill it and be ignored by everyone else
i'm not saying that big stories are always better than smaller ones but i do think it trends that way consistently. they get huge follower counts for a reason. if you haven't tried TWI and SS you 100% should

>>25038304
if you've read one east-slop you've read them all.

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>>25038304
I read a lot of Japanese LN too but if I'm going to read that then I'm for sure giving up on outlining today which I don't really want to do. If I did, I'd read the latest volume of Accel World or the latest two volumes of Saga of Tanya the Evil, or my backlog on JNC.

>>25038308
I dropped mid volume 7, just couldn't keep going. The story's pacing just burned me out and got too formulaic across volumes.

>>25038309
TWI also doesn't compel me from the blurb, but SS is kinda maybe. What's great about it? Can I binge a hundred chapters today and timewarp through this illness reading it? I was able to do that with blue core and BTDEM and Azarinth Healer.

>>25038331
>too formulaic across volumes
what do you mean? the fact that they're still in the dungeon? because the main idea around this point (iirc) is the entire system being uprooted. that's like the theme, and just then is when it's starting to pay off

>>25038337
>>25038331
fyi you triggered me; but only because of your recs. are you sure it wasn't that you'd had enough tension (from that scenario)? i'd get that

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>>25038337
It's a pacing issue, each floor has this time limit and stupidly overly convoluted setup that takes hundreds of pages just to explain, and then there's all this character melodrama but at this point the melodrama is driven by the author not allowing characters to sit down and talk. Even when there is a few hours "And Carl spent 7 hours cooped up at the crafting table making the deus ex macguffin that he'll pull out of his ass later btw Princess might be about to betray him and Mordecai is about to blow up the plan and Karla is about to kill herself and twenty minutes talking would resolve all this but nope, Carl refuses to talk to people! Also a hundred new characters need to be introduced we'll talk to them though" I just burned out on it all. It's too contorted for me. Especially with my -30IQ debuff from this sinus infection.
It's almost bad enough to give Primal Hunter a try, or just start up the DBZ anime again (buu saga).

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>>25038299
you should read this story, the MC is pretty funny and sometimes he says things that makes me think he's literally me.
>”I love King Cornelius so much—he is literally me!” Jacques

>>25038354
thanks i was curious enough for some elaboration, and fair enough

>>25038364
Bro I gave it a try and it's just too confused for me. I'm operating under a debuff, I can't handle a plot that complicated and sentences that long right now.
I need comfy zoomer, perhaps even alpha targeted litrpg slop.
Actually shit maybe I should just read MLA.

>>25038365
We might have litigated this before. It's okay for people not to like DCC (or something you like). And in DCC's case I will probably wait a year or two and then binge the rest of the story to the end. Or however long it takes Dinniman to finish the series.

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Realistically, could you write a forever story? Could you endlessly milk your web slop if there were incentive to do so?

>>25038374
That's the dream man.
But I am cursed to have an ending in mind to my stories. I'm too much a fan of catharsis.

>>25038374
only if it was generational.
so I have the protagonist, then I tell stories about his son, then I tell stories about his great great great grandson who uses the same weapon.
The chinese figured this out, the only other option I see, is making my protagonist a detective and having him go on various adventures and sole various mysteries and I just never really mention what the time line is explicitly but keep creating scenarios for him to solve.
But I cannot see it working honestly. each story would need a good hook or twist for me to be satisfied. I'd run out.

>>25038372
wild presumption for any part of your takeaway was me caring about what you (didn't) like

>>25038374
Just copy Super Supportive and go at such so incredibly slow narrative pace that you effectively never run out of material.

how is TWI doing it?

>>25038374
no, but I could do a forever setting

>>25038410
SS is basically just slice of life that people assumed wouldn't be because it has superheroes, right?

>>25038411
interspecies human × lizard sex

>>25038299
https://fiction.live/stories/MLP-Tulpa-Quest/zczdXy3RYuDC598Fz

>>25038431
already kek'd @ the url

>>25038411
30+ protagonists each with their own trilogies if not 10-book long series
not even kidding btw, that's how. aba will just introduce a new character and write five books from their pov as a "side story"

>>25038331
Shadow Slave is pretty interesting, I would recommend trying it out if you haven't read it. I've seen people say that first few chapters suck, but it's an infinitely more interesting beginning than someone dying and being isekai'd, or whatever you see in most novels

how much do webnovel.com writers earn anyway? what is Shadow Slave making?

>>25038558
Okay while looking into this question I found some really hilarious responses

>I think I will make around 1-1.2k usd this month, it is my first month contracted also, but I'm in the top new books as of now, idk what is the mid range that people make but I can say my book did great and I'm going to make good money from it atleast now.

>The webnovel is not lucrative and it is extremely hard. am in the top 30 collections and I only make pocket money, that's to tell you... While the top 100 can make $ 1000 .

>How much you earn depends purely on how well your book performs. Some earn pennies, while others earn hundreds of thousands. I'm a contracted author myself, and I average around 2.5-3k dollars monthly. It's a very lucrative job, and because of it, I managed to go full-time.
>Basically, what I'm trying to say is don't believe the webnovel contract hate from the media, 99% of what is being said is false.

Are these industry plants or do top authors on webnovel really type in such broken english? And call $2500 a "very lucrative job"? Gave me a chuckle
The numbers are also a lot lower than I expected. The highest earners on WN don't even come close to Zogarth's Patreon income, much less how he's making triple or more than that from amazon and audible

>>25038602
third-world ESLs
this is the reason behind the not-quite-right english and view of revenue

Ok I am trying fff-class.

Is kino-man ESL? There is some very suspect grammar in places.

I do enjoy some of the humor (I got a kick out of Essentia mail and all the ridiculous ui windows for the magic) The worldbuilding is fun too. But so far the plot and style is all over the place. Why can't we just stick with one character's perspective? And if we must bounce between characters, why are we head-hopping within individual chapters? Everything feels a little off.

>>25038374
Yeah, pretty easily.

All you actually do is write a series.
Like Sword of Truth came out at basically webnovel pace and might still be going.
It's also dogshit but I don't think that matters if you're making money.

>>25038364
Impersonating me is becoming /wng/'s national sport.
>>25038369
My sentences ain't that long!!!
>>25038697
I'm from California, and the weird sentences are a result of reading too many political speeches from the Roaring 20s.
>Switch POV
Stop looking in 2D and start viewing the whole thing from above. You will notice that MC is always at the center of the scene.

>>25038057
that's what snyder calls "promise of the premise"

>>25038697
Sometimes bad can be mistaken for ESL. His ego far outweighs his writing ability but he's too narcissistic to accept that.

do you think my readers would notice if i charge my litRPG WN series with my autistic knowledge of the middle-late bronze age pertaining to all cultured in the tin-trade?

>>25038762
A webnovel is like a christmas tree. It needs to be a christmas tree, first of all. It doesn't have to be perfect, but it needs the pine needles and branches and trunk.
The decorations you can do what you like, and readers appreciate them. Autistic knowledge of tin in bronze age history is great for that. But you still need a compelling plot and endearing characters and a plausible setting.

>>25038762
Change the tin and copper with finctional metals from which all magic shits are built, and you are set on.

>>25038772
my plot is this:
>local armchair historian/gamer gets isekai’d to a bronze age fantasy world
>doesn’t realize it’s bronze age until he gets sent to live with relatives in a port town to study magic
>plot deals with the MC trying to survive the fantasy world’s equivalent of the indo-aryan migration

>>25038824
>plot deals with the MC trying to survive the fantasy world’s equivalent of the indo-aryan migration
are you sure this is best delivered in web novel format? what web novels have you read like this?

>>25038828
it’s more of a broad strokes thing i’m describing

it’ll be much more personal in person, more something the MC realizes and goes, “huh, that’s neat”

>>25038828
i’ve read a medieval fantasy korean WN that has the MC survive the equivalent of the magyar invasion of hungary/mongolian invasion of russia

if you wanted to turn me (your apprentice) into a master slopsmith, which series MUST i read to learn the ways of modern day RR

But I don't want that

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>>25038710
>Impersonating me is becoming /wng/'s national sport.
I wasn't trying to impersonate you, I think it's a good story and sometimes the protagonist speaks in a manner that makes me think he's a poster.
Like when he asks another essentia if he's trolling them and we get a
>keikaku mean plan
translators note in where it's explained trolling is an army tactic in where units or platoons are sent to hinder or irritate the enemy, kinda like special forces or guerilla fighter.
you know what fuck it you read the thing I'm sure.

>>25038602
He's Russian and only predatory chinks like Webnovel will pay him because sanctions.

>>25038915
could just make a boosty, that's what all the russian asmr girls use, seems like a 1:1 patreon clone

>>25038848
max level archmage. first chapter was... perfect.

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>>25038939
thanks, checking it out

>>25038949
that's just shameless

Every single slopper here or RR is an ESL until proven otherwise

>>25038949
>VRMMO
lol
dogshit
"it is a video game lol"
is the new
"it was all a dream lol"
what's the fucking point

>>25038949
shit have i been reading the wrong archmage this entire time?

>>25037441
Pro-elf propaganda

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>>25038990
We need more stories about elves.

>>25039010
Agreed. I've read exactly 1 (one) story where elves are written well, everything else is too superficial and disappointing.
Elves are not humans with long ears, or humans with immortality, or humans with better magic. Elves are a different species. Elves have lots of potential.

>>25039040
>human-elf race war started by humans under their racial replacement theory, "the coming age of man", humans are portrayed as righteous and correct by the author

>>25039040
For sex.

>>25038949
um, that wasnt it. "Max Level Archmage" is the title

i wrote a story about elfs so that i could write a scene where one elf nibbles on another elf's ear in a sexual manner, and no other reason

>>25038976
this is the common opinion i'm pretty sure, but these stories are about a vrmmo game they played becoming real, not playing a vrmmo

do you think jingoistic webnovels where the MC nukes Mexico, China, and Russia much as how chinese WN mcs nuke America and Japan will be in vogue in the coming years?

>>25039155
What is the point of making the game your protagonist transmigrates to a VRMMO over making it a normal MMO if you aren't going to hijack their brain ala SAO or .Hack rules.
Is it just for the initial fake out of
>Why can't I remove the headset
>Why can't I log out
Couldn't you just use the typical
>This is not a dream
It's not an issue but I can see why people would confuse it for a story where it being a VRMMO mattered, you know the typical korean story where it's basically regression + face slapping + esports and nfts exist so you get social status in the real world, man they love that trope.

>>25039197
>What is the point of making the game your protagonist transmigrates to a VRMMO over making it a normal MMO
There are probably minor benefits like there being less of a mental disconnect for the protag (and thus needing less exposition on the matter), the player has gotten used to immersing themself in a 3d world, it would also be the expected media form for a futuristic game that has advanced AI npcs or other implausible systems and whatnot. just some random brainstorming.
moreover, I could turn the question around with
>why mmo and not vrmmo?
it's just not something that matters much in the end I suppose, whatever works for the specific story

though the meta answer is that all the other stories are doing it that way because MLA did it that way. the majority of these are just trend chasers

>>25038970
it's my seventh language haha

>>25038848
There are different communities in RR. They're both indulgent and slop in their own ways but there's a pretty big difference between them. I think it's the focus on progressing in strength and the amount of numberslop thrown in versus more trad writing and character work.

Looking at the top 10 most followed on RR, I think it breaks down like this:

Community A:
Beware of Chicken
Super Supportive
Mother of Learning
New Life as a Max Level Archmage
Zenith of Sorcery

Community B:
Primal Hunter
He Who Fights With Monsters
The Runesmith
Azarinth Healer
Delve

I didn't even mean to make it 5-5 it just worked out that way.
Figure out which community you're a part of and read those

>>25039226
ok, but which is dcc in???

>>25039232
Community A. Character and trad writing focus

>>25035503
I should probably re-read the slop I wrote months ago so I can continue the story, but I'm kinda afraid...

>>25039226
Where's the Arcane Emperor and The Storm King community? Okay, I know that neither one is as popular these days, but I'd rather read stories like those. He Who Fights With Monsters was pretty close to them.

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1. Regressor's Tale of Cultivation
2. Reverend Insanity
3. Shadow Slave

Top 6 followed RoyalRoad stories by release date:
BOC: 5 years ago
PH: 5 years ago
SS: 3 years ago
MOL: 7 years ago (10+, started on FictionPress)
HWFWM: 6 years ago
MLA: 0.5 years ago

Okay but really, how? It's going to pass all of those too, it's getting 1000 followers a month still

>>25039248
Community C: The desiccated and abandoned trueslop

>>25039256
The audience is several times larger now and it's a huge hit. It happened with videogames as the audience grew.

>>25039256
femslop is the real meta and i'm glad everyone is finally realizing it

>>25038908
It's actually older than that. Since Essentia warfare is based on 'don't break your formation,' and nobles' egos are easy to wound, some highly specialized Trollers might even be able to change the course of a battle.

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Novelpia has this thing where if your novel got popular enough they'll commision an actual artist to draw illustration and cover for your novel. i'm jelly as fuck i wish we have something like that in the west.

>>25039256
The patreon is crashing, the follower count will too soon enough
https://graphtreon.com/creator/ArcaneCadence

>>25039274
>Novelpia has this thing where if your novel got popular enough they'll commision an actual artist to draw illustration and cover for your novel. i'm jelly as fuck i wish we have something like that in the west.
we do have that in the west, it's called patreon and even midlist stories get big enough to easily afford professional commissions
if you mean a twice-removed "they" will handle it, why would you want randoms commissioning art for your story? they'll fuck it up guaranteed

>>25039275
>Achievement unlocked: The Bigger They Are...

>>25039275
this is fucked up... why would you post this?

ethical futa?

>>25039442
>ethical futa?
Let me guess that means futa on male for you?

>>25039442
It's never unethical

>>25039442
it's never ethical and it's always gay

>>25039442
Why would it be unethical?

>>25036565
>this passage had great prose
>this passage was a little clunky
Sometimes I get comments and I wonder if they even read what I wrote.

>>25039467
Just like writing is a skill. It should be said critiquing and articulating ones thoughts is also a skill.

What the fuck is this phenomenon when readers tell me how stuff works in the story I wrote and don't believe me when I tell them they got it wrong? Like nigga I made it up, it's all from my head

>>25039475
Sometimes authors clearly write something and then forget about it over the months and years that have passed since writing it while readers binge the story and have it all fresh in their minds.

>>25039476
Well, that has nothing to do with this

Guess reading too much trash got people uppity and they assume every author is a demented retard

>>25039478
Okay, just saying that
>Like nigga I made it up, it's all from my head
Means nothing because what's in your head right now can be completely different from what you actually wrote.

>>25039483
>just saying
Yes, I can read. You clearly can't.

>>25039475
Death of the author and all that.
You should be happy you're up their with GRRM and Hirohiko Araki

>>25039488
Okay, sorry for insinuating that you might be fallible, author-sama.

>>25039226
I prefer to read column A, but I prefer to write column B. Uh oh.

>>25039490
death of the author is not death to the author, anyway post-structuralism is retarded and literally gay and full of aids (Foucault)

>>25039226
he who fights with monsters is character/narrative focused...

>>25038939
You trolled me.

>This isn't a typical isekai story.
What do you immediately assume given this statement?

>>25039524
it's gay

>>25039259
It's over for us

>>25039524
That it is a typical isekai story, moreso than most others, just with a gimmick patched on as a decoration.

>>25039524
it's somehow worse

>>25039524
It'll be a slowburn snoozefest with "drama"

>>25037317
>>25039251
The greatest Xianxia is written by a Korean
Truly the second Century of Humiliation for China

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This isn't a typical isekai story
This is harem like you've never seen before
This is a subversion of xianxia
This is a deconstruction of progression fantasy
This is my own take on litrpg
This is a love letter to the genre
This is a System that's entirely dissimilar to anything else in your frame of reference

>>25039594
And the goy cattle falls for it every time

>>25039594
sounds like it's about cuckoldry

>>25039524
Not a ludicrously OP mc power fantasy

>>25039594
>This is a subversion of xianxia
Strong to weak?

I tried to read 1% lifesteal and its opening chapters were really obnoxious.

Why does everyone insist on opening their story with a hugeass author note these days? It always gives me the reflexive urge to close the tab. Shut up faggot and let me read your shit

Holy shit, is EVERYTHING ai-generated these days? I just checked about a dozen random fictions on rs and recent releases, and every one of them, regardless of genre, has the same bland synopsis formatted like "It was supposed to be just an ordinary day. But little did the MC know..." with only slight variations. My god

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It was supposed to be just an ordinary day in RS, but little did I know there would be a non-AI story

>>25039812
Why wouldn't you cheat if you could cheat?

>>25039812
Generally covers and synops are frequently AIgen because nobody can do synops. I've written some 3mil words of novel and I still can't do synops so I just chop out a section that sounds good on its own.

>>25039880
What is so hard about it? All synopsis needs to do is answer the basic questions of who, what, where, and why. If you have no clear, short answer for those, you have no story either.

ya'll better hurry up and write your story and get a foot in the door before slop starts getting generated wholesale

>>25039910
this
2027 is probably the final year you can make it btw

>>25039910
here's the thing-- if AI gets to this point, we're fucked. if AI doesn't get to this point, we're fucked.

>>25039917
can you explain your second point?

>>25039910
the technology is fundamentally not capable of this
can you already use AI to generate a webnovel? yes, but there's a big caveat.
the amount of mental work and record-keeping behind keeping it coherent and making sure it puts out a narrative that somewhat holds together... is high enough that you might as well just write it yourself. or write a rough manuscript and tell ai to polish it up. either way if you bother to work with AI to the extent of having it write your whole shit you might as well just write it yourself

>>25039920
the blackpiller logic is that the sixty goyillion economic bubble bursts, instant recession
this is true but it will ultimately benefit us

>>25039926
>>25039910
also I've seen this exact post last year
and in 2024
and in 2023
even a few times in 2022

>>25039920
what anon said,
>>25039926

however; if we're looking at it from the tech-optimist's POV, we need AI to improve to help prevent like a dozen different catastrophes from converging in like 2-3 decades

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>Stop following your dream, you will never write something that can shine above that sea of AI-generated stori---ACK!

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>>25039910
it's already being generate wholesale.

On the one hand, AI can only produce bland trash that goes nowhere, so if you're actually able to write anything with a hint of human personality and a bigger plan, people will appreciate that and it'll be easier to retain readers.

On the other hand, that'd expect being discovered in the first place, which is pretty hard when you have hundreds of jeets spamming dozens of chapters of slop every hour.

>>25039936
That's one of those smut author groups all writing under a single name. There's several such pseudonyms and they've been around long before AI slop became a thing. I admit I don't know if they've move on to using AI though.

>>25039939
That's why the emerging Shoutout Culture is vital.

>>25039936
this isn't ai, it's a group under a pseudonym. i've read some of it doing research. it's trash but very much human trash.

>>25039941
>>25039942
My mistake seniors I hadn't considered the possibility of several ghost writers operating under one pseudonym.

>>25039942
Shoutouts are worthless because everyone and their dog are doing shoutouts. It's not a way of promoting good stories, but sloppers boosting each other. Again, quantity triumphs.

>>25039969
So how exactly are readers supposed to discover your story?

>>25039993
That's the question, isn't it

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What the fuck does this dude mean?

>>25040002
>You write like a brain-damaged old man
>INTRIGUING!

Has anyone taken a great classic, then turned it into an isekai? Like some Dosto FeMC OPMC-to-weak isekai

They say nobody's perfect. Well, they were wrong.

It was supposed to be just an ordinary day in the construction yard. Little did Gary the ordinary man from Kansas know, it was going to be the last day of life as we know it. Something something portals and monsters. This new world will challenge Gary like nothing else. Armed with only the power to do literally anything and a system that gives him infinite skills, Gary must use his wits to survive and vanquish the gods.

What to expect:
-From weak to really ***** strong.
-Story starts fast, then gets slow, then gets fast again, then turns back and pulls a sick loop de loop, seriously it gets really good. Later.
-Totally not harem, fr fr.

Schedule: 20 chapters a day, 500 chapters ahead on Patreon. Stubbing next Monday!

>>25038602
yes it is fake testimonials

Which web slop has the best fight scenes?

>>25040047
don't forget the question with a really obvious answer
>Can he conquer this new world, or will it conquer him instead?

>>25040080
Worm.

>>25040047
Kino. Where can I read?

>>25040047
Literally Ultimate Level 1
The guy shits out almost cartoonish amounts of prose daily

>>25040085
Alternatively, some ridiculously bombastic one-liner
>Gods may have abandoned humanity...but Gary has abandoned the gods!!

>>25040088
Can you articulate why you think this? What makes them so good?

Any good healer kino? No Azarinth or Oathbound

>>25040129
Worm has flaws, many of them, but the fights are pretty much universally praised. It's action scenes are what it's primarily know form. The use and interaction of powers is super (pun intended) well done and interesting. The slow, gradual escalation in the scale and complexity of the fights at the start of the book to what happens later on is kinda mind blowing. That first fight with Leviathan is something shocking. I mean there are battles later on that last for more than 100k words. But it's not shonen nonsense, everything that happens is logical. And as this anon said >>25037741, the final showdown manages to surpass everything that came before it. It's genuinely epic, gut punching, and cathartic.

>>25039927
I have no real experience with AI writing. Just some free online try it bullshit. That said, the one page or two it generated from what I asked for. The writing was kind of *meh*. IE grammatically correct but I have nothing really to say sort of thing. But I will say this. It did one thing that was unexpected character action wise that I found unique and clever. It was a neat idea for that scene. Another time someone else on /lit/ took my prose chapter and fed it into their AI. It spit out lord I don't even know what some kind of movie script with production notes sort of thingy. But once again. It did something completely off the wall that ended up being this time a killer idea just for a completely different story. I think it could be useful to spit out one page treatments of a rough idea and you look for the gem idea when it goes off the wall and it would be original. Then you just take that germ and write it yourself based on that. As far as going page by page and letting it write for me, not just no a big hell no.

>>25040155
It's good for short-form, but for long-form you have to handle all the difficult parts (that is to say keeping track of continuity keeping the digiretard on track etc)
so as I said you might as well just write it yourself

>>25040154
>Worm has flaws, many of them, but the fights are pretty much universally praised.
I read Worm and liked it but I've seen lots of memes (and agree with them) about how stupidly long some fights go, to the point of absurdity (and not as a good thing). As you yourself pointed out. I remember one of them literally going on for like 25,000 words of just blow by blow and not much interesting happening, I think it was the Mannequin fight? Been years, icr. I had to skim if not skip a ton of fights. Some were generally considered masterpieces like Leviathan though, yeah. I just wouldn't say they're universally praised, it's hit or miss

>>25040159
I concur.

>>25040167
Yeah, I didn't mean every fight was praised. Some are of course better than others. But when they hit they hit *hard*.

>>25040172
I don't remember a single actual fight from Worm other than Leviathan and that blew chunks. Maybe the extended battle against the Slaughterhouse 9000 but, come to think of it, that sucked balls as well.

>>25040187
That's okay, Worm isn't for everyone. I'm curious though to know what series you think has better fight scenes?

>>25040192
I would genuinely rate most xianxia fight scenes over Worm's.

>>25040198
Any specific examples?