r/classicliterature thinks all of us are heckin skinheads!!https://www.reddit.com/r/classicliterature/comments/1qj6498/the_lit_top_100_books_list_for_2025/
>open link>see word "perfomative" used unironically>close window>do something to this thread that I'm not allowed to talk about here
>the zeitgeist is to pretend to be a devout catholic (while condemning the pope any time he does anything they don't like)
>>25036816>I think people are shitting on this list just because it’s 4chan. Ironically it has more non-white authors than this subs top 100.kek, you have to be race obsessed to notice this but its funny nonetheless
>>25036816I’ve read about 1/10 or 1/5th of that chart roughly. It’s standard canon stuff like Homer and Plato, newbie stuff anons read in school and college like Camus and clockwork and also alt-right political stuff like Mishima and Kaczynski only on there for their political positions. All in all, a pretty mediocre/ standard list. It’s exactly what you would expect.
>>25036816People literally cannot imagine people having different taste
>>25036825>perfomativeAll their criticisms are performative
HYou guys have been detected being somewhere on the 'wild' spectrum. Submit to your nearest reddit moderator for immediate castration
>>25036867>performative virtue on redditmany such cases
>>25036816>racist>sexist>performative>edgyAll of that pales in comparison to reddit thinking "A Game of Thrones" is a top 100 work of classic literature
>>25036816>Go on, try making Divine Comedy thread on that board - nobody will discuss it with you, becouse nobody there has read it. Make thread about Japanese literature and all you will get is talk about Mishima being gay or not gayHAHA IM EMBARRASSED THAT ITS SO CORRECT.
>>25036933We included The Hobbit which isn't much different.Iliad and Odyssey right next to each other seems fishy tooAnd Bible as top 1 will always be retardedThis is one of the worst top100s we've ever hadPlus I don't give a fuck about what reddit thinks and the giddy-retarded tone of op suggests me he's either baiting or someone from that thread
>>25036933>search the reddit in the op for "divine comedy">every single thread is asking about translations>the one thread not asking about translations just has comments saying they plan on getting around to reading it one day
>>25036935>>25036921
I will never read books writtten by a foid or a gay nigga, not sure why for redditors this is such a sticking point to get through
>>25036935>>25036938You need to go back
>>25036816“The list goes on” lmfao. Ain’t none of their suggestions top 100 worthy. Hell it’s generous to include any woman in the top 100. And they were complaining about being performative when their kneejerk response is to whine the list isn’t performative enough! Where are the blacks like oh my gaaaawd! >I mean this with all the love in my heart for the amazing literature community here on reddit. People need to read more books by womenHow do these people survive? I’ve read Octavia Butler, Joyce Carol Oates and Atwood, Le Guin and half the “classic” woman authors they suggest btw. It’s not even close in quality or impact. It’s like sports, the best of women is equal to a middling male. Includes entirely mental sports like chess.
>>25036975>gay niggaHave you read mishima though?
>>25036979Christcuck seethe
>>25036982Chuddie, That’s not the criticism; almost everyone is pointing out the grotesque unrepresentative nature of this list. That it shows the influence of one of the sewers of the reactionary hive mind is merely an explanation for both its predictable aping of common Great Books lists (excluding most women), and the anomalous far-right picks.
>>25036982Middlemarch is kind of top 100 worthy, but it's also incredibly boring. The only author that bored me more is Tolstoy.
>When someone on 4chan talks about how the board/site is garbage literally everyone agrees >When reddit says /lit/ is garbage suddenly 4chan is the last desperate bastion of free speech, defiantly hooping and hollering defiance against the endless nightWhy the double standard?
>>25036860It's hypocritical to accuse /lit/ of sexism for not reading enough books by women when you only read books by women because they're by women and not because the book has actual merit or is about an interesting subject.
>>25037069This is why Le Guin shills are so insufferable. She's a fine writer but none of her fanboys would give a shit if 1. She weren't a left leaning women and 2. Neil Gaiman didn't shill her before he got canceled for sexual assault.
>>25037065We're tsuderes
>>25036816I want the IP adress of every single Finnegans wake voter banned for next years poll this list is a humiliation ritual for those of us who actually read.
>>25036982One has to be retarded to think We have always lived in the castle or Handmaidens tale are top 100 material. Every single book Mishima alone wrote is better.
>>25037065Because their criticisms are retarded>performativeOn a site where everyone is anonymous? Nevermind the criticism coming from reddit where people get upset about upvotes.>Not enough women, blacks and latinx!Ironically a performative critique itself.
>>25036816>3 women out of 100 is just depressing honestly.Finally someone with common sense on reddit... I've always want to point out how /lit/ is being ridden with misogynistic chuds because as a woman myself I feel my gender less represented with the lack of book written by female in this list
>>25036975>I will never read books writtten by a ... gay niggaNo Mishima? No Proust? No Wilde? No Whitman? No Plato? No Virgil?
>>25036816>The Name of the Rose over Foucault's PendulumMaybe plebbit has a point you people are retarded
>>25036975No foids is understandable. No fags and you're excluding some of the best /lit/ ever written
She kinda clocked your guys tea sis with this Biblefag shit you guys are doing as of late.
Reddit is btfoing you in the comments.
>>25036933Very true on both counts but I'm different since I started with Dante.>>25037183Plato wasn't gay his mentor Socrates was
>>25036816Who cares
>>25036816Most of the people complaining about these lists don't know how the voting system works, like "why is author X's most popular work listed instead of X's lesser known work?", well because most of these books probably got like 10 votes max to get featured. Or why Shakespeare's Folio was featured instead of individual works, as they don't know that there wasn't an option on the poll to vote for singular works (even if I agree that it would be preferably).Not saying there isn't anything to critique (like last year there was like 3 works by Aristotle on the list) but not the things most people complain about.
>>25036816>the trial on top 10I am finishing this book just for the sake of finishing it.It's absolutely shit. It feels like Kafka wanted to show everyone how studying law was mind-numbing and boring, and wrote a book about it.Nothing ever happens, you don't know what he is being charged with, and for some reason, all women in the book are desperate to have sex with K (even the children).I am absolute sure he is only regarded as a good writer because he is a fucking kike. His friend should have listened to him and burned it when he died.
>>25037344I don't know why plotfags even bother tbdesu
>>25037360The book explores the inherent dullness of law, and the author conveys this by deliberately boring the reader in a way few have experienced in a long time.
>>25037344>Nothing ever happens>you don't know what he is being charged withThat's the fucking point, you dumbass
Wuthering Heights should be higher ranked. Sexual Personae and The Talented Mr. Ripley should be on the list. Every other woman writer should be kicked off the list because they suck.
>>25037344That's what the book is about. That's the correct emotional state for the book to provoke. You might as well complain that American Psycho is too violent or that IT is too scary.I don't even really like Kafka or think he's that great, but this is a terrible critique of the book.
>>25037422I am reading a book because I want to have a good time. If I wanted to be bored, I would watch tv.
>>25037278The bit about Confederacy of Dunces is true, but it presupposes that everyone on /lit/ (or even /pol/) is the same person. The person who votes for Confederacy would likely not also vote for da holy bibel for instance.
>>25037425Why are you reading a calculus book and complaining that it has math in it? Not every book is specifically designed to cater to your personal whims at every moment. Different books have different purposes and therefore different merits to be judged on.
>>25036816The only comment that confused me was the one claiming that The Bible is a new addition to the list because we're all suddenly LARPing pretend Christians as a part of our fake right-wing incel extremism (obvious projection from wannabe Internet activists), totally failing to acknowledge its impact on literature, whether they like it or not. In any case, I'm pretty sure The Bible has been on these types of lists ever since they started.>>25037344>you don't know what he is being charged withHoly shit, just buy a "critical edition" so it can tell you how to think, or better yet don't read at all.
>>25037452>That 2015 listCrazy how much better it is than the recent ones.
>>25037278IT'S OVER (althoughever it never truly started)
>>25037452Blood Meridian > Lolita. Also, Don Quixote, the Iliad, the Odyssey and Wuthering Heights should be a lot higher. Otherwise this is fine and better than the current chart.
>>25036860It must be exhausting to talk all day like that lmao.You're not getting any pussy lil bro.
>>25037175>because as a woman myselfTits or gtfo
>>25037452This list really explains a lot lmao.
>>25037175Bait
>>25037328They understand it perfectly fine even though they are bitter old male cat ladies without a clue (broken clock). The 2025 list was curated by a gatekeeper who inserted himself into the top 100 by insisting on selecting which books could and couldn't be nominated. All of /lit/ shouldn't be blamed for the list, almost none of us were invited to participate in making it this year, those who were just moved around rankings on some guys personal tier list.
>>25037452>>25036816Don't get me wrong these are good books and all but you can't get mad at people for criticizing the list when it's either the most normieslop "edgy" books or genuinely repulsive retardation peddled as literature
>>25036816>two books by a Jew in the top 10>OMG THEY'RE LITERALLY HITLERcan't make this shit up
>>25037863Three actuallyp
>>25036816Redditors are subhuman npc cattle. The lowest forms of life
>>25036816To be fair, having the bible and Dostoevsky and McCarthy in your top ten is very incel-coded.
>>25037865Four, since Nabokov was spritually a jew
Well the average /lit/ user is indeed a /pol/ tourist who wants to feel cultured
>>25037278trvke
>>25037452>In any case, I'm pretty sure The Bible has been on these types of lists ever since they started.Why didn't you post the first chart then, from 2014? It has the Bible at #64. Look at charts from other intervening years and also at the aggregate which has it at #10 between 2014 and 2024. You see a clear trend of the Bible creeping up the chart from a place of literary and historical interest to a place of religious reverence in the top 10. This completely confirms what the redditor is saying about election tourists and /pol/ faggots finding Jesus and pushing the Bible on here. The 2015 chart you are posting is likely fake. The image quality of the Bible cover even looks different. You're just muddying the waters and distorting everything you half-know like a typical christcuck.
>>25037975Election tourism started in 2015
>>25037975>IJ number oneEmbarrassing desu
>>25037975>anti-Christian hysteria slowed down>therefore something something nazisAbsolute retards.
>>25038008NTA but don’t pretend in 2026 like there’s a functional difference between the cross and the swastika anymore.
>>25038047>it's the same listR-reddit sisters
I genuinely can't fathom how redditors can claim the 4chan chart is performative while simulatenously saying it's woefully lacking in women and POC, comparing their chart favorably because of the politically performative inclusionary criterion of theirs. Not because the quality is actually better, but simply because they're women or black. How how how how HOW
>>25037344You know that book is incomplete, right? I agree that it is choppy and uneven, but the actual substance in the novel is strong.
>>25037041Middlemarch should be in the top 5. I also think we should have a parallel top 100 each year where you can only pick books you read that year. It would do a better job of showing the board at a point in time.
>>25037413Wuthering Heights is a horrendously bad novel. It shouldn't feature at all. It's just misery porn.
>>25037138Finnegans wake is fun as fuck
>>25037452The Bible is overrated and only had such an outsized influence because religious fanatics forced all their children to be taught it and treated it like the one and only book worth referencing. The religious bias poisons a typical person's ability to actually criticize it, thus it skates on momentum alone. The contents do not hold up to comparison with its peers.
>>25038176Those flames just keep getting hotter.
>>25038159Pearls to the swines
>>25038156Middlemarch is overrated. Too many eye-rolling contrivances like that nonsense with the two wills of the dying man.
>>25038179You just prove my point. Your mind is so warped you can't appraise things on their own merits, they have to be filtered through your religious ideology which has been installed in you.
>>25038176This raises an interesting question on the criteria for best. I would argue that influence and cultural importance is a legitimate element. I'm coming at this from a secular perspective and I still think the Bible is one the major literary accomplishments coming out of its era. Honestly I'm no God-botherer but I'd put it next to Shakepeare and the Homeric epics as one of the three main pillars of world literature, especially the general canon of anglophone lit.
>>25038186What I think makes Middlemarch comfortably deserve the praise it gets is the incredible insight Elliot has into individuals and the human condition in general. Alongside that insight she also writes with an incredible amount of empathy and pathos. I have never, ever, felt like I knew exactly who a character was, or felt them more true to life than in Middlemarch.
>>25038176>The contents do not hold up to comparison with its peers.Such as? (You're wrong btw)
>>25036816Where the FUCK is Hitler?
its the same fucking list every year dudewe need to have a cooldown where nominated books cannot get on next years ones or at least category for new releases
>>25038266>dudemillennial ahh post
>>25038247Ended up 101 iirc
>>25038196Importance measured by what metric? If it's pure popularity, the number of people impacted by it, a book like Fifty Shades of Grey would rank as #1 since it was the fastest selling book of all time. The Bible massively benefited by the fact that those who had the means to produce books, the first printing presses, manufactured a mass amount of Bibles due to religious fervor, not a critical assessment of the literary value of the book. Also, in terms of influence on entire nations, one might be tempted to list the Declaration of Independence as a top contender.
>>25038207I couldn't stand the insufferable main character and her marital misadventures. There seemed to be an active contempt towards her older husband on the part of the author. Same with the case of the doctor and his wife, I felt these marriages were filled with trite and contrived drama. I had the exact reverse experience as you, I found early on that any potential situation had one obvious outcome which would maximize the drama, and invariably the author choose that outcome (the will is a prime example). It became predictable in the worst possible way.
>>25036834The man on the Chair of Peter hasn't been Catholic since 1958. That puts devout Catholics in a real pickle.
>>25036816>Quite ironic that Confederacy of Dunces is on the list, since your average /lit/ user, who is tourist from /pol/ that wants to look cultured, is basically Ignatius, with even less self-reflection. oh wow /lit/bros, they've got us pegged>>25036933i only come to this board to discuss genre fiction and philosophy
>>25038196Personally I wouldn’t make historical influence a criterion for judgement. Lots of crap was historically influential, like Galen or Ptolemy in science. Literature should be judged by beauty and truth and the bible fails thoroughly on both fronts.
>>25038490Blast! Reddit busted us...
>>25038596You don't know what beauty is truth is
This year the poll was with given options. Expecting anything modern would be pretty dumb. The same with expecting more women. In my case I only ranked based on the ones I've read. If I liked it I marked it, and this chart was based on frequency. It makes sense the bible is at the top considering most of us has probably read it (at least some of it).This chart only reflects /lit/'s most read books.Maybe next year add some other attributes to each selection so that it statistically enriches the results.
>>25037065Because as shit as we are we at least can say we are superior to r*dditors
>>25036860>>25036867>>25036982>Handmaid's TaleYou don't hate redditors enough.Although I give some points for including Flannery O'Connor, she'd probably be removed if they understood her better lmao.>needs to deal with their sexism and misogyny>sexism AND misogynyTrying to pad the word count?>As if women aren't capable of writing enduring, relevant bla blaHere we see the typical redditor getting stuck in their moralizing to the point of incoherence. If anons thought women couldn't write good books, there wouldn't be women on the list, would there?If you list ~20 authors and you're scraping the barrel for Margaret Atwood, women authors are cooked, sorry.>also not including one of the most successful female authors ever because she did a hecking transphobia
>>25038176Jesus trolling the Pharisees should warm the heart of the most ardent fedora tipper.
>>25038452>>25038596I think I should specify historical influence on literature in particular. That said, the nature of the list is that everyone is going to be choosing by their own criteria. I would agree that too many people voted for it for culture war or religious reasons instead of literary value, but there are some truly beautiful sections that I think justify it being on the list on purely aesthetic merits.>>25038460I think it seems predictable because the people are characterized such that it's hard to see them acting any other way.
>>25037072>This is why Le Guin shills are so insufferable. She's a fine writer but none of her fanboys would give a shit if 1. She weren't a left leaning women and 2. Neil Gaiman didn't shill her before he got canceled for sexual assault.If you really want an inspired female sci-fi writer, Leigh Brackett is what most of these people wish that Le Guin could have been.
>>25037452funny how the 2015 list actually looks much more modern than the 2026 list. the most contemporary book in this years list was published 20 years ago. the most contemporary book in the 2015 list was only 2 years old at the timedoes lit no longer have a finger on the pulse?
No books by trans authors :/
>>25037065Far as I'm aware 4chan has never genuinely caused actual, physical harmMeanwhile reddit went on a witch hunt to find the Boston bomber and hurt people
>>25039049/pol/ has definitely been an organizing point for an incredibly corrosive brand of politics.
>>25039044Name a good book published in the last 10 years. Literature no longer has a pulse to put a finger on.>>25039054/pol/ is a board of peace.
>>25039061>Name a good book published in the last 10 years.“The Only Good Indians” [2020] - Stephen Graham Jones
>>25039076>Carlos Tkacz asserts that this novel is a form of ecohorror: a genre of horror that contends with and responds to fears about Earth’s climate and environment.>The novel also contends with the theme of womanhood and violence against indigenous women. Even if the book is good, you're basically giving the sensitivity reader a handjob.
>>25039061most recent recent one i really liked was The deeper the water the uglier the fishhave you formed this opinion by reading contemporary literature? or do you actively avoid it because youve been told to
>>25039087>have you formed this opinion by reading contemporary literature? or do you actively avoid it because youve been told toI just go with the flow, see where recommendations or curiosity take me. I never needed to be told to avoid contemporary literature, it never called to me.I have read plenty of good contemporary fiction, it just tends to not be published as a book, pretty much any medium besides a published book sitting on the shelf as a matter of fact.
>>25039100>(1) doesnt read contemporary literature>(2) confidently declares literature no longer has a pulse>(3) follow the recommendations of the hive who also (1)
>>25039153>the two best recommendations /lit/ can scrap together can be described using their "themes" of which social causes they reference>both are misery porn about how hard being a woman is>basically the only form of pathos that could be published by modern slop standards>see, literature is still doing fine?
>>25039210>doesnt read books>becomes an authority on them after skimming their synopses many such casesalso>misery porn >how hard being a woman is>must be badtake a closer look at the top 100 list retard, maybe check out their synopses
>>25037272>the shifting relationship with religion in alt-right spaces.What someone needs to do is explain this
>>25039260i think they might be referring to how the redscare girl became christian and how she is also 4chan
>>25039260>>25039283Urban millenial hipsters neckbeards and skeptics were replaced by rural zoomer homeschool kids and mexicans making the site more religious. I don't think its all LARP or election tourism.
>>25037183>No MishimaRead Kawabata>No ProustRead Joyce>No WildeRead Twain>No WhitmanRead Baudelaire>No PlatoRead Heraclitus>No VirgilNothing of value was lostFor every fag there was a chud who did it ten times better
>>25039045Theodora Kaczynski is right there
>>25038346this board has turned to shit
>>25036816I'm convinced that any chuddie invested enough in what Reddit thinks is also invested enough to do his own parodies of wokies there, which undermines the value of finding Redditor posts to mock.
>>25039546Tbdesu I read the thing and it's shit. I'm convinced it only ever got meme votes from /pol/ tourists wanting to claim another boardThey must have got tired of it much like the muzzie posters did, since the quran as well has been nowhere to be seen for the last three or so years
>>25036816I enjoyed this ESL seethe:>These are getting more and more performative over time just as the occupants of /lit/ read less and less. Quite ironic that Confederacy of Dunces is on the list, since your average /lit/ user, who is tourist from /pol/ that wants to look cultured, is basically Ignatius, with even less self-reflection.>Go on, try making Divine Comedy thread on that board - nobody will discuss it with you, becouse nobody there has read it. Make thread about Japanese literature and all you will get is talk about Mishima being gay or not gay. And so on. For how much the average /lit/ hates women they surely behave like flock of gossiping girls, talking about lives of authors and not the contents of their books.
>(Male English teacher here) For. Real.>[...]>These lists are overflowing with Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, and Joyce. It's like when you go on music subs and there's this groupthink about the albums and artists we're all supposed to worship and the one's we're all supposed to hate.>one's we're all>(Male English teacher here) For. Real.>one's we're all>(Male English teacher here) For. Real.>one's we're all>(Male English teacher here) For. Real.>one's we're all>(Male English teacher here) For. Real.>one's we're all>(Male English teacher here) For. Real.
>>25036986Sorry about your homosexuality
There surely has to be something resembling a real literary culture, or perhaps the ideal of one, between doing what reddit does and reading kwame ngobongo coastal upper middle class core slop and tradcath or perennialist LARPing
>>25036867>Are there no women? That's wild>Oh, there are women? That's wildWhat kind of brainrot is this?
>>25037428Yeah, no wonder that a place as homogenized as reddit would struggle to imagine a community which contains people with wildly varying tastes.
>>25036816>no Flaubert, Lawrence, or HuysmansA black mark against /lit/.
>>25036982Tartt used to make the list.
>>25037272The Bible has always been no.1 on these lists, hasn't it? It's essential to understanding literature, really quite clownish to say otherwise.
>>25037452The GOAT Crime & Punishment cover.
>>25038176Utterly wrong and philistine post. I don't understand how you can consider yourself cultured and say something so asinine and wrong. Have you read Frye? Matthew Arnold? or Milton and Blake? The Bible is foundational to all literature. The spirit of world history passes through and from the Bible to this day.
>>25037278fvcking trvke
>>25038196If we're going by historical influence, Das Kapital would need to be in the top 5 somewhere.
>>25038176>book so good people honestly believed God put The Holy Spirit inside them so that it inspires them to share the word to everyone them know
>>25039750On literature? Not at all.
>>25039782>das kapital isn't top 5nigger what the fuck are you smokingit's arguably #1, considering that it almost caused the end of modern civilization multiple times
>>25039789He meant what I was saying before, that while it had an enormous influence on geopolitics, it's direct influence on literature isn't as important. That does make me wonder what non-fiction would make a most influential list for literature. Freud and Jung?
>>25037278>Talking about the lives of the authors and not the content of their booksThey also forgot about talking about the lives of the people who read said authors, which is foid behavior
>>25036921now that you point it out like that, trvke
>>25039898Most /lit/erati are incels/trans.
>>25037975Given the lack of other actually good Christian texts and even literary fiction it's pretty obvious that the Bible stuff is a farce, but I'm surprised with how popular Blood Meridian is given that it's often considered a book that only tourists like. It's higher ranked in 2014 then it is in 2025
>>25039915>that it's often considered a book that only tourists like.All of BM's lowest rankings are from the election tourism era (2016-2019) when it was making all the postmodern shitters who had flocked in from reddit mad that it wasn't an ironic 800 page doorstopper with zany characters and le big politicophilosophical points.
>>25036825>do something to this thread that I'm not allowed to talk about hereYou soud like a faggot.
>>25036860>read more books by women!!kys Wonderful_Wonderful
>>25039938If you had any balls you'd make a reddit account (even google account works there now) and go tell it to her yourself
>>25039954NTA but what's the point in spending the time to set up a reddit account just to make a post that will probably get deleted and have the account banned before the user can even read it
>>25039954I already did.
>>25039958Having balls
>>25039962Fake: Anon correlates needing balls to make a reddit accountGay: Anon cares about another Anon's balls
>>25039732>The Bible is foundational to all literatureThe Greeks would disagree, but sure, I'm the philistine that doesn't understand.
>>25039780Ah, so the Qur'an, Bhagavad Gita, the Upanishads, etc share the same quality since people honestly believe they are divinely inspired? Also "good people" is extremely subjective since those "good people" used that book as a basis for such humane achievements as sentencing a youth to have his hands cut off, his tongue torn out with pincers, and his body burned alive, because he had not kneeled down in the rain to do honour to a dirty procession of monks which passed within his view, at a distance of some fifty or sixty yards.
>>25037344This you?
>>25036816For me the most telling fact is that reddit has "all quiet on the western front" and /lit/ has "storms of steel" on the list
>>25040188>Ah, so the Qur'an, Bhagavad Gita, the Upanishads, etc share the same quality since people honestly believe they are divinely inspired?Yeah, I'll bite that bullet, they absolutely do. This is one of those things where you have absolutely no idea how the other side thinks.>noooo I believe in one religion so the sacred texts of other religions have literally no literary merit!Said literally nobody ever.>the Bible isn't literary because of some random unhinged medieval incident I won't even cite that lives in my head for some reasonWhat a strange thing to say.
>>25040393The claims of each religious book conflict with each other overtly. They literally negate one another. Your new age "it's all one maaaan" shtick is vapid and meritless. Also if you can't recognize one of the opening lines from A Tale of Two Cities, do you really belong on /lit/ at all?
>>25040422>The claims of each religious book conflict with each other overtly.No shit. Irrelevant.>opening lines from A Tale of Two CitiesWait wait wait>>25040188>"good people">>25039780>>book so good people honestly believedHe was calling the book good, not the people you fucking ESL.I'm done.
>>25039844It would have to be Freud because he influenced Jung so much. Therefore "The Interpretation of Dreams" should henceforth be included in /lit/s top 100.
>>25040429>A book is good because it can convince people to repeat falsehoodsWhat kind of standard is this?
>>25040429>He was calling the book good, not the people you fucking ESL. >I'm done.He was calling the book overrated. >>25040188>share the same quality since people honestly believe they are divinely inspired?There's a difference from believing that something is divinely inspired and believing that God put a spirit inside you that forces you to talk about the book
>>25040429Also I never said anything about the people being good or evil. Are you ESL and projecting? It's ok my fren, nothing wrong about it.
>>25040548>Also I never said anything about the people being good>>25040188>Also "good people" is extremely subjective since those "good people"If you're not the same anon I don't know how you got dragged into this in the first place.
>>25040558>the bible is overrated because blah blah blah>the bible is so good that people blah blah blah Not so deep
>>25040568Those aren't the posts I linked. Either you had an ESL moment and still don't understand, or you're expertly baiting me.
>>25040574One of the posts you tagged is the one you replied to first. That one is the second greentext. The post I was answering in that post is the first greentext. Before replying, try using your brain for at least 10 seconds.
>>25040574Look, I doubt you can use it so I'll tag them for youFirst greentext: >>25038176Second greentext (me): >>25039780
>>25040574There are at least 3 different anons in this thread holding the position that the Bible is overrated. Myself, the anon you are responding to, and the anon from earlier that you keep replying to. The Bible is a collection of ancient Jewish myths and laws and the few poetic passages pale in comparison to other traditional works like the Bhagavad Gita. Also, it is somewhat telling that the Bible is referred to in this thread as possessing your mind and forcing you to propagate its message. Even its champions refer to it as a kind of mind virus or contagious disease or poisonous contaminate. Thinking men shake off this religious miasma and view the work on its own merits, and on this standard, the Bible is woefully deficient.
>>25040598>>25040601On January 23, 2026, at 9:40, >>25039780 made a post on /lit/ saying>book so good people honestly believed God put The Holy Spirit inside them so that it inspires them to share the word to everyone them knowFrom the context of the post, it is clear that anon is referring to the "book" as "so good" that "people honestly believed...".ESL anon >>25040188 made a reply at 14:36 saying>Also "good people" is extremely subjectiveHowever, this is a misinterpretation of the previous post, since while the words "good" and "people" are featured sequentially, the adjective "good" was referring to the noun "book", not the noun "people", which could have been separated by a comma, but was not, yet nevertheless is understandable by someone with English as a first language.Due to >>25040188 referring to "good people" as a quote despite it not appearing in the post being replied to, it can be inferred that the poster misinterpreted the syntax of the post, likely due to being ESL.
>>25040627Then why the hell did you tag me instead of the apparently ESL nigga?
>>25036816I remember when Mein Kampf used to make this list but it was mostly to make people seethe because that book is actually trash.
>>25036840What's important is that the white people that do make the list are the right kind of white people.
>>25039026>Leigh BrackettThe long tomorrow had an interesting premise but got really dumb by the end>I wanna go home>im gonna run away>no actually im gonna go backNever read any of her other stuff.
>no books by G. K. Chesterton, Léon Bloy, T. S. Eliot, François Mauriac, Julien Green, Flannery O’Connor, Georges Bernanos, Paul Claudel, Miguel de Unamuno, Gerard Manley Hopkins, Graham Greene, Evelyn Waugh, Charles Péguy, Hugo von Hoffmansthal, Hermann Broch, Gertrud von Le Fort, Giovanni Papini, Giuseppe Ungaretti, Henrik Sienkiewicz, José Maria de Pereda, Eric Voegelin, Michael Oakeshott, Leo Strauss, Xavier Zubiri, Bernard Lonergan, Eugen Rosenstock-Huessy, Thomas Molnar, David Stove, Roger Scruton, Hilton Kramer, Roger Kimball, Keith Windschuttle, John M. Ellis, Mary Lefkowitz, Judith Reisman, John Lewis Gaddis, John Earl Haynes, Stephen Koch, Harvey Klehr, R. J. Rummel, Christopher Andrew, Herb Romerstein, Ronald Radosh, Arthur Herman, Ludwig von Mises, Marcel de Corte, Willmore Kendall, Russel Kirk, Erik von Kuenhelt-Leddin, William F. Buckley Jr., M. Stanton Evans, Irving Babbit, Paul Elmer More, José Ortega y Gasset, Vilfredo Pareto, Carl Schmitt, Robert Michels, Gaetano Mosca, Martin Heidegger, Claudio Gentile, Edmund Burke, Franz Rosenzweig, Rene Guenon, Julius Evola, Frithjof Schuon, Johan Huizinga, Nikolai Berdyaev, Vladimir Nabokov, Alain Peyrefitte, Vladimir Solovyov, Malcolm Muggeridge, Louis Lavelle, René Girard, Gertrude Himmelfarb, Benedetto Croce, Viktor Frankl, Andrzej Łobaczewski, Mircea Eliade, Nicolás Gómez Dávila, Vladimir Bukovsky, Friedrich Hayek, Murray Rothbard, Peter Hitchens, Henry Hazlitt, Mario Vargas Llosa, Vladimir Tismăneanu, Charles E. Lindblom, Irving Kristol, Daniel Bell, Christopher Lasch, Robert Nisbet, Werner Sombart, Christopher Dawson, José Guilherme Merquior, Modris Eksteins, John Henry Newman, Joseph de Maistre, Rivarol, Pat Buchanan, Samuel P. Huntington, Konstantin Leontiev, Alexander Solzhenítsyn, Jacques Barzun, Raymond Aron, W. H. Mattlock, Karl Popper, Jean Sévillia, Julien Benda, Leszek Kołakowski, Niall Ferguson, Bernard Lewis, Kenneth Minogue, David Stove, Theodore Dalrymple, Mikhail Sholokhov, Marshall McLuhan, Mortimer J. Adler, Joseph Sobran, Albert Jay Nock, Hilaire Belloc, Louis de Bonald, Leonardo Castellani, Emil Cioran, Petre Ţuţea, Anthony Esolen, Juan Donoso Cortés, Edward Feser, Paul Gottfried, T. E. Hulme, Ernst Jünger, John Kekes, Arnold Lunn, Alasdair MacIntyre, Gabriel Marcel, Julio Meinvielle, Álvaro Mutis, Juan Manuel de Prada, E. F. Schumacher, Igor Shafarevich, Alfredo Sáenz, Karl Ludwig von Haller, Evelyn Waugh, W. B. Yeats, Romano Amerio, Jaime Balmes, Thomas Fleming, James Hitchcock, Béla Menczer, Percy of Newcastle, Félix Sardá y Salvany, David Warren, Fred Reed, James Kalb, Richard Weaver, M. E. Bradford, Peter Viereck, Jean-François Revel...There's nothing controversial about this list.
>>25036816That Reddit is full of idiots has little to do with political leanings.Whether you're a communist, a fundamentalist Salafi Muslim, a MAGAchud, a techno singularity schizo, a monarchist - you will be the dumber for having participated in a forum that hides or moves posts down which trigger users cognitive dissonance reflex (Semmelweis reflex). No genuinely intelligent and curious person can endure this- discussion driven totally by the mob and its prejudices/resistance to new ideas or perspectives- for very long, regardless of the particular beliefs of that group. Loving the feeling of safety that comes from numbers and consensus is a trait common to all midwits and retards, and always absent in intelligent people. who are always seeking what is new or unknown to them.
>>25038460>There seemed to be an active contempt towards her older husband on the part of the authorMakes sense when you consider that Casaubon made himself out to be a big time theologian, thus deceiving Dorothea
>>25039304>HeraclitusHe wasn't a chud
>>25040620My theory on the effectiveness of the Bible is that it successfully taps into the part of our brains that desires a replacement attachment figure. The best archetype for that is an emperor, who was always a slave master and a serial rapist. Giving yourself entirely to the emperor is very freeing to the conscience, but it turns your will into that of a child's
>>25036816>Old boos because we don't know any better>Anything made after 1900 is manchild literatureYeah reddit might be partially right on this one, not skinheads, but retarded for sure.
>>25040620So pretty much you hate the Bible because Jews wrote the Old Testament and Jesus was Jewish. Sure you deploy a few spurious allusions to actual literary quality, but ofc you don't explain those because you likely can't. Bible deserves it's place and ideologues will seethe.
>>25040736When you marry someone, you marry them in sickness and in health, for richer or for poorer. His career disappointments simply throw light on how much of a disloyal shrew she was all along. She heard advice against marrying an older man, she made the decision to marry him anyway, and then she is portrayed as the victim. Gross.
>>25040701>no books by Eliot, Nabokov, Jünger, Yeatscheck again
>>25040765The central moral message of the Bible is that you can be washed clean of your own responsibility by being bathed in the blood of a human sacrifice who was killed on your behalf. This horrendous demand to partake in a ritual human sacrifice is forced upon us with the threat of eternal torment if we decline. This moral message is completely at odds with any kind of reasonable moral framework, since personal responsibility is the core of such a system. You have literally fallen under the sway of an abhorrent Jewish moral system, founded in such practices as throwing the sins of the tribe on a goat and driving it out into the desert to die. Jesus himself advocated zero resistance to evil people and to take no thought for the morrow. The whole book extols giving up your own personal autonomy and responsibility to be a slave, totally subjugated to a primitive brutish cult religion. As I referenced earlier, even the feeble poetry doesn't match up to other examples in the same category.
>>25036816Everything said in that reddit thread about /lit/ is absolutely true, this is one of the worst 4chan boards for being complete pseuds and not actually engaging with its subject matter.I come here every month or so hoping to see actual discussion about recent literature but instead threads are always on really obvious philosophical and literary figures from decades if not centuries ago, and none of the discussion comes from a place where someone has clearly actually read their stuff, the extent of posters' knowledge seems to be from reading wikipedia synopsises and nothing more. If you're lucky you can get some insight on a book that is often prescribed as a high school text.
>>25041151>recent
>>25036834This would have perfectly described me in the two month period I tried to get back into catholicism and going to church. lol
>>25040716You're too right for your post to go entirely un you'd.Only thing you missed is the aspect of accounts and karma wherein narcissists and the mentally feeble adjust their own opinions to better fit the herd consensus.There's a reason Ghislaine Maxwell was a top mod on their news forum. There's a reason Eglin Air Force Base was one of the largest sources of posts to that website. It's as ripe for subversion and brainwashing as wikipedia.
>>25041190YesI don't want to engage in fake nostalgia for time periods I never lived in and dead cultural movements.
>>25036816Midwits vs pseuds.Normies vs autists.Enjoyable.
>>25041131I reject the premise of eternal punishment and Old Testament morality and all that, Christ's message in the sermon on the mount is the highest moral standard. Plus the barbarities of distortions of the faith is far from exclusive to Christianity>As I referenced earlier, even the feeble poetry doesn't match up to other examples in the same category.Like what? Almost nothing compares to Psalms, Song of Solomon, some of Ecclesiastes
>>25038176The Bibble as religion sucks my nuts and christfags are kikeworshippers who should die, however the Bible as literature is so important to everything that follows it’s idiotic to suggest it’s not worthy of a literature list. The influence on other keystones like Dante and Milton are obvious, Shakespeare borrows heavily in content and language. Even modern authors like Corncob go back to the well. You don’t really escape direct influence (as in every fucking author having some direct relationship to its content) until 1920 or so.
>>25041113She didn't divorce or cheat on him, so she played her part. Older men are suppose to be well established
>>25041151I was about to say it's not that bad but then went on to the catalogue and saw an OP about how Marcus Aurelius was ruined by reddit,
>>25037138This.
>>25041151Agreed 100%. Despite the obvious woketards on the Reddit thread, a good portion actually agree with the list, so OP is just ragebaiting because of his lack of substance.
>>25041499Shakespeare and Corncob often borrow from it to move beyond it: Hamlet being a story where all the sympathetic characters break through its ethos to pursue their ends is an especially stark example and Blood Meridian has maybe its leading interpretation as allegory for gnosticism (pronounced heresy) sans most particulars of the jewish folklore behind. To what degree the bible does merit placing on a literature list is something which legitimate literature must be in the process of peeling back; and its jump to first place in 2025 is only explicable as being the sole instance of obvious ideological spam which the pollrunner opted to ignore.
>>25041872Bible also doesn't feature any naturalistic descriptions
>>25041872>To what degree the bible does merit placing on a literature list is something which legitimate literature must be in the process of peeling backWhich is?
>>25041499Okay, so why isn't the dictionary #1 on the literature list? Every single work owes its entire existence to the dictionary, since literally every word in every book references it.Mere weight of reference is not a sufficient criteria to rank something highly.
>>25041738lmao, yeah that is quintessentially /lit/
>>25037278So this is the faggot that starts but can't maintain divine comedy threads because he himself has nothing to say about it
>>25043651This gossiping thread will hit bump limit while book threads die in 12 hours
>>25038067>performativeIt's their current buzzword. So they fit everything they encounter to it>>25037975Anybody remembers the list where the bible and hitler where in the top 10?
>check their list>iliad 26>odyssey 100what the fuckalso>frankenstein 6come on ..
>>25042260What dictionary would you like to put on the list on that basis? Samuel Johnson wrote the first dictionary of the modern scope in 1755, one hundred and forty-four years after the (self-defining, per Riplinger) King James Bible gave birth to the majority of English literature. Most readers do not consult a dictionary to learn or understnad what they're reading or writing, but rely on gossip, lies, and ignorant presuppositions. The KJV is on top not because its "referenced" by academic point dexters but because it has a supernatural power to soar to the top of all lists.
>>25042260>>Okay, so why isn't the dictionary #1 on the literature list? Every single work owes its entire existence to the dictionary, since literally every word in every book references it.You're a fucking retard.
>>25042260>he thinks dictionaries create language and aren't simply descriptions of what already exists
>>25036816It's a very entry level list and screams "insecure male aged 18-35 who wants to seem smart". Also kind of funny there's religious works and Nietzsche multiple times but not Darwin. And of course trendy Camus, but not the more substantial modern philosophers.
>>25037278What a fat neckbeard faggot this guy has an iq projected at 103 from my calculator he should get a job then kill himself
>>25044362It is a list for people who peaked in middle-high school, who come from a middle-class, suburban family. Otherwise easy childhood, fine grades, but was never given the challenge they needed to learn to succeed. Hits adulthood and immediately shits the bed. Has to blame others for not having the job they want, not having the girlfriend/wife they want. Will scream and screech into the void and never once self-analyze. They've failed at everything, but they can at least read so they'll read but they'll read older literature that they can google the analysis of so that they don't have to do the hard part of figuring out what is being said. That is why they don't read contemporaries, because they'd have to sit and actually think for once in their lives instead of being handed the solution.
>>25044409Literally me except for the blaming everyone else part
>>25044409name one contemporary writer who has produced work worth replacing any entry on the list
>>25037069How gruesome life becomes when we live to pay arbitrary homages to groups in the name of moral posturing instead of living life how you like it, enjoying things because of their qualities, not associations or categorizations. There's a religious and totalitarian mentality here, like we all have to live for pleasing someone else because of some abstract mumbo jumbo, as if there was someone judging from above that we have to please.
>>25036982It's funny how we live in a world where it becomes a moral imperative to satisfy people not worthy of satisfying and plucking our eyes for having the gift of seeing.
>>25039304Heraclitus' entire surviving writings consist of a few dozen fragments
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicliterature/comments/1qdutwp/rclassicliteratures_top_100_favourite_books_2025/heres their list btw
ive read only 5 books off this list
>>25039292Once you realize 4chan is the least white space on the internet, things start making a lot of sense.
>>25044801where do white people discuss literature
>>25044843Reddit unfortunately
