This is the greatest achievement of human civilisation.
>>25037082it's not, sliced bread is
>civilisation
>>25037082Actually it's the security of going outside at night without worries
>This is the greatest achievement of human civilisation.
>>25037854LED lights cause light pollution and are net negatives for the environment and the people living there since they disrupt circadian rhythms. In fact, most people who live in cities have likely never seen a single star in their lives.Also most countries are too low trust to safely walk around at night.
>>25037933>Also most countries are too low trust to safely walk around at night.i wonder what causes thisalso>Polandenjoy stress free walk through the city center with your family
>25037836
>>25037977Don‘t make me tap the sign
>>25037082Grim
>>25037933>Also most countries are too low trust to safely walk around at night.Then maybe they are not civilized at all if going outside your home implies a high chance of being robbed or killed
>>25037082Wrong ring
>>25038747this
It seems the obsession with Tolkien is a uniquely white american phenomenon. Everyone else including his own countrymen will tell you Lord of the Rings is pretty good, but white amerisharts in particular seem to think his work is the greatest fiction of all time. Why is this?
>>25038983Probably cause the movies are absolutely GOATed. I unironically rank them among the greatest works of cinema along with movies by guys like Scorsese, Kurosawa, Kubrick, etc. By contrast I wouldn't rank the books among the greatest works of literature though they're still very good.
>>25039039But that's my point, everyone saw those films, we all though they were pretty good but I've only ever seen white Americans talk about them like they are the best movies of all time. They're inspired by European folklore so it would make more sense for Europeans to be the ones who love it so much
>>25038983>>25039067Long explanation:You must go to America to understand. In particular, America is stripped of myth and mythology. That is well explained through the perspective of the Enlightenment, where all myth and tradition are sold in exchange for bourgeois comprehension of the world, which leads to material progress, progressive liberal democracy and capitalism. But since no man or society can exist without myth and mythology in reality, we search in fiction and in reality too for all that is incredible, extraordinary and beyond our comprehension. Hence why americans (and anglo-saxons) are responsible for +95% of supposed alien encounters, they produce the overwhelming majority of conspiracy theory, and are (on the other hand) the main sponsors of fantastic literature. It also explains their obsession with cryptids, and the adventure seeker formula of stories.When Tolkien wrote Lord of the Rings to be a mythology of the West, it truly reached its goal for America. America holds Lord of the Rings, World War 2 (the american Ilyad) and civil rights as the cornerstone of their starved society. Short explanation:LotR inspired most of the male-focussed media and literature in America, so much that most of medieval fantasy genre that was birthed from Tolkien was a commercial derivative intended for the very same public of LotR (i.e: Sword of Shannara, that was ripped by editors until it became a LotR parody). You just never escape Tolkien in America, and Tolkien ascended to proeminence because either you read medieval fantasy derived from it, you Tolkien's work, or you did not read anything else due to Cold War nonsense.
ive already watched the movie why should i read the books?
>>25038983>DUDE WE WUZ VIKANGS UND SHIET LMAO
>>25040217The books are way better. Fuck the movies.
>>25040217Tom Fucking Bombadil.
>>25040217the movies disneyified some of the action sequences, the raid at the shire near the end is gloomy and depressing in a way the jackson films never reach. there's also a lot more eowyn if you're into that character
>>25040203Tolkien was an Englishman
>>25040234The movies have more violence.Thus, they are manlier.
>>25040782engaging in fantasy for manliness token-points is about as misguided and gullible as reading NYT for realpolitk
>>25040782there are more death and fight scenes in the novel, retard
Should I read Silmarillion? I never even read LOTR btw
>>25040406This post reads like it's from the mid 2000s.
Is it true Tolkien completely ripped off Lord Dunsany?
>>25040553Ackshually Tolkien was born in South Africa, which technically makes him a nigger.
>>25037082As a retarded shit eating tranny manchild, I agree.>>25037933Shitskins and poorfags aren't human.
>>25040203LOTR was not intended as a mythology of the West, but of England in particular, as he considered stuff like Arthurian myth only geographically English.Of course, naturally like all Englishmen it never seemed to cross his mind that many Americans are equally as related to the Medieval and earlier English culture as he is, and so it resonated with many in America. Americans at the time may not have known their own cultural ancestry or historical figures such as Edward the Confessor, but the values and themes crossed over because values and themes don’t require an intimate knowledge of history. Tolkien made a myth of England and, much like Led Zeppelin made “English” folk rock into hard rock, it caught on in America and became an embedded part of the culture to a much greater degree than in the Yewkay.Englishmen may disagree with me, and I respectfully disagree with them in advance, but if you’re a continental European or some other non-European thing you really have zero perspective to comment on this. If I have been unwieldy or imprecise in my wording, know that I am speaking to nebulous ideas of identity that I hold in my heart more than in my brain.Also, as a side not, a lot of the phenomenon of quarter-Irish “Irish-Americans” or Germans or Italians is just a consequence of non-English surnames being absorbed into a surprisingly English stock, so many white Americans grossly underestimate their English ancestry.For my part I was always told I was “1/4 Dutch, 1/4 Scottish, and 1/2 Irish.” When I actually charted things out Irish and Dutch ended up being like 1/16 each, English was 1/2 my ancestry, and the remainder was all Scottish.
>>25037082Zoomer take
>>25038747Holy based
>>25040203>>25041023Good posts and all true, though I don't think it acknowledges how fundamentally bourgeois LotR is, and that LotR was published to a reading audience already primed for LotR by a pre-existing fantasy and pulp adventure. Tolkien just homogenised it and made the novel its primary form where it had been the serial.
>>25038983It’s not that common here desu, lotr had a resurgence in the 60s-70s with the psychedelic movement and then with the films. A lot of people like it as an action movie. A lot of people like it as a psychedelic trip. Very few actually like it or understand it as a literary project twisting the old epics into an English version.
>>25041053>lotr had a resurgence in the 60s-70s with the psychedelic movementIt wasn't a resurgence, the 60s were the first time that LotR were published in mass market paperbacks.
>>25041040Lotr is not Bourgouis at all in spirit or intent. It may be accidentally appealing to them esthetically and this is why you see so many people like the movies but get very bored by the time the hobbits leave the old forest.
>>25041060Looks like it sold very well in the 50s and BBC did a survey and found the LotR was Britain’s most loved book. >>25038983So I guess your just a brown retard
>>25041061>Lotr is not Bourgouis at all in spirit or intent.Novels are fundamentally bourgeois. If Tolkien was truly capable of escaping from his own post-enlightenment culture than we would have attempted to have written a true epic, but instead he reverted to the embodiment of bourgeois consciousness. You can't claim that LotR isn't bourgeois when characters like Samwise, Frodo and Aragorn are all sovereign individuals with their own psychology that the reader can gleam an insight into too. The setting and themes might be different, but on its most fundamental level there is no difference between LotR and Flaubert.
>>25041089that's why he wrote the Silmarillion, dumb fuck.
>>25041090Even then the Silmarillion reads more like Gibbon than any saga. It's impressive only if you're easily overawed.
>>25040975The Silmarillion is like the bible of the Tolkien legendarium. It tends to have an archaic style, lots of genealogy, long-winded descriptions of natural landscape, etc. If you don't like LOTR there's no way you'd be into the Silmarillion
>>25037082/tv/ calls the movies proto-capeshit.
>>25041089Good thing Lotr is a romance and not a novel
>>25041070I never said Brits don't like LOTR fuck face. The vast majority of the redditor types with encyclopedic knowledge of the universe are nerdy white americans
>>25041023>you really have zero perspective to comment on thisFucking retarded imbecile.
>>25041666>allegoryslop>operaslopNot mythology
>>25038983Because normal countries have organic epic literature and don't need to substitute it with anglo slop made in 20th century.
>>25037082Its not even the greatest of Tolkiens work.Its just a 7.5/10 young adult saga.
>>25041096lol you are Bourgeois let’s be real.
>>25041555The vast majority of people seething about white Americans are lower class Euroids and brown people. Weird!
beethoven's 9th sharts all over this
>>25038983brown hands typed this
Such words are only professed by those who have only read 3 books in their life
>>25037082>capeshit but slightly older
I hate american literature like the multi cultural terrorist celebrating Lord of the Rings.It disparage humans and their society while it praises easterlings and the disabled short people.
>>25041900White amerishart seethes and calls everyone brown when his favourite nerd book isn't considered the best ever
>>25037836Ask me how I know you're morbidly obese.
>>25039039Meh. The first movie is OK. The others are CGI shitfests.
>>25040203>America is stripped of myth and mythology>what is the WesternIt's surprising how it took a foreigner (Sergio Lenone) to recognise this.
>>25042868>Lenone (me)Leone ffs.
>>25041666Great job proving my point, Satan.>>25041882So many ESLs on the internet is the greatest cause of perceived hatred of British nations towards each other. Displaying their German or Pakistani IP would immediately explain what their problem is.
>>25038747great to see fellow wagnersister outside of /mu/
Tolkien is ultimately responsible for the malignant cancer occupying modern “fantasy”. Now we have loads of manchildren who shit and piss themselves when they see anything that isn’t a children’s book with ontologically evil bad guys and cardboard cutout good guys on le ebin adventure. Hell, most actual children’s books have more complexity to them than lotr and the derivative slop it spawned.
>>25043613I'm not even mad at tolkien for that, but more for the failure to pass the message of the story to british people about the threat of a foreign invasion. The bongs can have the complete LOTR books and movies trilogies memorised, but still wave with "refugees welcome" transparents in the streets and vote for muslim representatives.
>>25043632this
>>25043613Traditional fantasy hasn’t been popular for decades what are you talking about. Nowadays it’s either romantasy for women, or morally grey everyone sucks GoT wannabes
>>25040203>World War 2 (the american Ilyad)The American Iliad are the Avengers Movies
>>25041882No seething. Just curiosity on why they seem to think a fantasy book about dragons and elves for children is the best thing ever written. I find their underdeveloped minds very interesting. Another anon already gave the explanation though, it's because you have no mythology or epics of your own
>>25037082You sure? What about this (BBL)?
>>25043613>>25043632>>25043637low IQ retards.
>>25041555Have you ever considered the fact that there's 350 million Americans, nearly triple the rest of the Anglo sphere? Maybe American Tolkien nerds outnumber others because there's simply way more of them in general.>>25043632I do wish Yuropoors would get a handle on their immigrant problem but Bongoids genuinely deserve it
>>25043613How is it his fault when he first published his work was unique and original, no one can top it so now you just get 'copycats' who were inspired by him, if you're so above it all why dont you write a fantasy series that mogs lotr (you cant because you're too dumb)
>>25044116These faggots are like people comparing the Illiad to the 10,000 knockoffs made throughout the next 2000 years. But everyone knows the Illiad and no one knows the others outside of some classicists who specialize in epic poetry.
>>25043813Simple hobbits and men of the west, rallied by hope, saved middle earth from the forces of the east.Intellectualizers are like hopeless elves, beautifully wrought but destined to go extinct while the hobbits and men prove them wrong about the fate of the world.
>>25044116>his work was unique and originalOh man. That bad?
