>But thus I counsel you, my friends: Mistrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful. They are people of a low sort and stock; the hangmen and the bloodhound look out of their faces. Mistrust all who talk much of their justice! Verily, their souls lack more than honey. And when they call themselves the good and the just, do not forget that they would be pharisees, if only they had—power.>There is a point in the history of society when it becomes so pathologically soft and tender that among other things it sides even with those who harm it, criminals, and does this quite seriously and honestly. Punishing somehow seems unfair to it, and it is certain that imagining “punishment” and “being supposed to punish” hurts it, arouses fear in it. “Is it not enough to render him undangerous? Why still punish? Punishing itself is terrible.” With this question, herd morality, the morality of timidity, draws its ultimate consequence.I think punishment in a criminal justice context is bad because it protects the herd over the individual who "takes the law into their own hands" and creates new values instead of conforming to society.
>>25039194this is the kind of crap you come up with when you're a contrarian atheist who still believes in christian dualism. WALK. THE. MIDDLE. PATH.
>>25039194Retard. By letting someone else take the law in their hands, and accepting it, you are letting them assert their will over you. Punishment in criminal context is good when it protects your interests and bad when it goes against your interests. By claiming punishment to be ontologically bad, you are just showing yourself to be the slave, a cuckold to people with greater wills.
>look mama I posted the moustache guy again
>>25039194Punishment finds easy justification when the goal is "to protect society", "to maintain harmony" in a consequentialist sort of way: to prevent further harm. Really has an individual, If I get stolen I want my shit brought back plus some interest, and not more. If I get hurt, or someone gets raped or killed, I want the perpetrator killed so that I may find my freedom of consciousness back, but really inflicting suffering or imprisonment to me is so useless, what do I get out of it but just more thoughts and awareness directed at petty people. Basically I prefer justice which is retributive and minimize the time I have to care about that retribution, let it be quick and clear, and clear my consciousness fast.
>>25039194Neetzuh sought to escape the morality trap but never managed to do so himself. His philosophy is riddled with labels that supposedly do not have moral value assigned to them, but in reality do. Just look at how many neetzuh cultists use slave morality/master morality as substitutes for cringe/based.
>>25039767"immorality" when employed by Stirner or Nietzsche doesn't mean they don't think there isn't a good or bad and everything is whatever, do whatever, it's a specific position related to "Morality" of their time which is specifically Christian morality or the Secular humanist version: it's the morality that deems good and bad to be related to how you treat others. Of course they have a bunch of statements about what's good and bad, you just have to not be dense and understand their use of the term "morality". Nietzsche believes in morality in the modern abstract use of the term, that there is a justification in categorizing good and bad, he just attacked "morality" of his era, words have shifting meaning over time.
I wonder if neetche felt that ten years of being a vegetable was a punishment.
>>25039194>want to punish bad people? >impotent slave>don't want to punish bad people? >stupid slave, now your civilization is ruinedHe's just being contrarian poeticallyAnyone who tries to model off this guy is ridiculous
>>25039776My point is that he idolized master morality (and other things) in a way that is antithetical to his own philosophy and value system. He likes it because it is against Christianity. He never made it past the stage of contrarian rejection, he never actually created his own value system. In other words he was not an ubermensch.I'm not saying that you can't call things "good" or "bad" based on your own value system, as Stirner and Nietzsche advocated. You just aren't using your own value system if all you do is take mainstream views and invert them.
doesn't this contradict his whole idea of justice being a "criminal law" and slave morality
>>25039194The whole romance of the criminal lies in the possibility of punishment though. You cannot "take the law into your own hands" without a law to take. You can romanticize a highwayman precisely because he risks hanging, but you can't romanticize some nog who snatches a candy bar from the gas station with zero risk of punishment.
>>25039814>he never created his own value system>what is the experience of the eternal return?
